[00:00:59] drdee: you around? [00:24:14] jdlrobson: "もう一歩前に進んでください" == "Please move forward one step" [00:24:24] ?!?! [00:39:38] tfinc: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11973/ [01:06:41] tfinc: http://bits.wikimedia.org/DolphinBrowser/index.html [02:39:59] wow. i love that. [02:50:12] and no one is here. [02:50:19] except now preilly. [02:50:29] [02:50:52] amgine, i saw a nametag for you in berlin. [02:51:00] but did not see anyone wearing it. [02:51:08] so i am dissapoint. [02:51:09] [02:51:14] because i wanted to meet you. [02:51:33] i was the guy with the long hair. [02:51:36] Mind you, I am generically terrified of actually interacting with people, so... [02:51:43] I was one of the old people. [02:51:53] i think you will find that i am easy to interact with, despite my reputation. [02:52:21] were you, perchance, in a git/gerrit talk with sir reilly? upstairs, in the weird room? [02:52:29] Yep. [02:52:36] i was in that room! [02:52:50] so i think i know who you are, herr Enigma. [02:52:57] hmm [02:53:00] [02:53:14] * preilly forgot that he was knighted [02:53:30] preilly: who made dolphinbrowser? [02:53:34] Sirp, it's short for Patric. [02:54:14] jorm: mobotap.com [02:54:44] jorm: on MoboTap Inc [02:54:59] Dolphin Browser achieved over 12 million downloads in less than 20 months [02:55:38] s/on/or [03:05:09] who did the design on that page? [03:45:47] jorm: what page? [03:46:38] i think that W is mine [03:48:01] heatherw: it's the Wikipedia Mobile app [03:48:07] :) [04:11:42] [04:27:26] Amgine: that "eloper" part is why it isn't. :P [17:23:41] caxthelm: welcome to WMF Mobile [17:23:46] Thank you [17:31:08] MaxSem, jdlrobson: caxthelm is Christopher Axthelm from OpenPath Products (Dev Lead for the wiki j2me project)… feel free to ask him anything about that project [17:32:06] * yuvipanda looks around [17:32:39] yuvipanda: see above ^^ [17:33:25] yuvipanda, " MaxSem, jdlrobson: caxthelm is Christopher Axthelm from OpenPath Products (Dev Lead for the wiki j2me project)… feel free to ask him anything about that project" [17:34:01] preilly: MaxSem thanks! [17:34:06] hey caxthelm! [17:34:12] hello [17:36:45] yuvipanda, I've finished tweaking full-text search for now. you can now search with &srname=~foo (not yet deployed) [17:38:27] MaxSem: awesome! [17:38:49] what else would you like to see in the near term? [17:39:11] MaxSem: bbox based search is good enough for production usage? [17:39:21] does it have set limits, like 'don't specify the entire globe'? [17:39:32] yeah [17:39:53] 0.04 square degrees, whatever that may mean XD [17:40:01] heh! [17:42:33] I will make another round of optimisations once we will be sure about our API use cases [17:42:51] MaxSem: okay! [17:43:08] MaxSem: i'll add in full text search to the app tomorrow, will be doing maps today [17:43:31] whee [17:44:09] MaxSem: absolutely unrelated, but how easy/hard would it be to have the mobileview api *not* pass through the mobileformatter? [17:44:35] on Tablets we serve them desktop view, except in the app where we give them mobile view, which sortof sucks [17:44:46] mmm, not hard at all [disclaimer: blah blah blah] [17:44:50] So yuvipanda - I have an idea for getting more accurate feedback.. [17:45:11] adding a get param for 'source'? [17:45:22] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileFeedback#feedbacksource:Wikipedia Mobile 1.2 [17:45:28] yeh basically - checking the hash [17:45:38] greetings all [17:45:41] substituting any $1 that appears in the email [17:45:46] jdlrobson: why hash, rather than a querystring? [17:45:50] hello [17:46:16] yuvipanda: well I was thinking javascript would add it (in which case hash would make sense) [17:46:24] yuvipanda: i'm happy to see that the dolphin guys are all set [17:46:28] but equally php could do it and thus a querystring might make more sense.. [17:46:35] I think on all devices that don't support hardcore contributions (=don't have keyboard & mouse) our desktop skins suck - because they eat screen real estate [17:47:33] caxthelm, J2ME is a very fragmented thing as I heard - will there be different subversions of the app for different devices? [17:47:40] MaxSem: well, mobileview is just the content, no? [17:47:46] guess php probably would make more sense here yuvipanda ? [17:47:50] MaxSem: of course, the *ideal* thing would be to have a TabletFormatter, but :D [17:47:54] jdlrobson: yes, I think so too! [17:48:05] cureently, mobileview serves HTML reformatted for mobile [17:48:06] cool i'll send a patch so at least we can distinguish app from mobile site [17:48:07] jdlrobson: fragments weren't meant for passing data ::P [17:49:01] yuvipanda, ideally I want to use the same HTML everywhere but on WAP - see my wikitech-l post some time ago [17:49:17] MaxSem: well, 'ideally', yes. [17:49:57] what's the banter about? [17:50:23] I still believe it's a matter of CSS [17:50:42] MaxSem: but currently we're using the styles we use for mobile on tablet, and that doesn't look good. I'm guessing a near-term solution would be to stop the html transforms we are doing for tablets, with the longer term solution migrating to a proper 'html just for content, css for all styles' [17:50:55] but right now, we can't do that [17:51:25] I just saw your comment MaxSem. Yes it is fragmented, but we are using the LWUIT UI interface to help smooth out as many of those oddities as we can. [17:51:41] tfinc: on tablets, browsers give people the 'full' site, but the app gives them stripped down mobile site. Not good. Was simply asking MaxSem for a 'how hard it is' to support not doing mobile transforms for mobileview as a param [17:51:47] yuvipanda: correct thing is for styles on mobile to be adapted for tablet. lindsey is thinking about this :) [17:51:56] ahh ok [17:52:22] yuvipanda: this needs an update http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps [17:52:27] under releases [17:52:31] caxthelm, cool. I'm the mobile API dev, poke me if you have questions/requests [17:52:38] yuvipanda, not hard at all [17:52:56] caxthelm: welcome! are you joining us from open path ? [17:53:03] tfinc: ah, doing! [17:53:15] tfinc: i'd also need you for the iOS release - I don't believe I've access to iTunes connect [17:53:17] MaxSem: we will be talking a lot then. [17:53:37] yuvipanda: sadly you dont [17:53:38] its dumb [17:53:45] very [17:53:51] tfinc: 01:30 PST? [17:53:58] or whenever you're back from lunch? [17:53:58] today? [17:54:01] tfinc: Yes, I'm the lead dev for the s40 & s60 j2me. While I didn't say much, I was on the kickoff call. [17:54:26] tfinc: yes? [17:54:37] tfinc: unlike Android there is no immediate monitoring to be done. [17:54:53] tfinc: so i think it is a relatively simpler build and wait? [17:55:07] tfinc: i think we set tuesday to be the iOS push on our last call, no? [17:55:08] caxthelm: welcome.! i see you've already met max. he'll be your best friend for extending the api [17:55:24] feel free to reach out to me or preilly if you have questions that aren't getting answered [17:55:49] caxthelm: and feel free to poke me if I could be of any help at all! (Wrote most parts of the Android/iOS app) [17:57:55] yuvipanda: Thank you. [17:58:18] tfinc: any status updates on the QA position? [17:58:41] none yet [18:00:31] philinje: lets talk about consolidating feedback today and refining our existing pipelines. i'm getting pretty tired of getting all these empty messages [18:00:52] I'm working on a page now [18:01:13] philinje: tfinc jdlrobson is working on a patch that'll let us differentiate feedback from app vs from web [18:01:24] yuvipanda: hows it work ? [18:01:38] tfinc: querystring for 'source' [18:02:16] i see it now 37717 [18:02:26] yep just raised [18:02:36] I'm looking into google mail filters to filter out empty emails [18:02:50] I think there's little we can do outside that [18:02:59] philinje: can you respond to OTRS 2012061910002125 [18:03:37] jdlrobson: id rather write a solution that guarantees we never see empty emails [18:03:43] rather then filtering them out [18:03:56] But tfinc - that's a problem that rests in the mail client [18:04:23] caxthelm: Hello, yuvipanda just told me you are starting on J2ME version of app, feel free to poke me if you want someone to test [18:04:32] not if we handle the submission form [18:05:43] But how... they are just mailto links [18:05:51] if someone wants to click them and then send the email empty... we can't stop that [18:06:20] jdlrobson: it was originally a form not a mailto link [18:06:55] but the form is disabled now on wikipedia.org so these blank mails we are seeing are coming email clients... [18:08:07] jdlrobson: sure, i'm talking about the next steps of the feedback form [18:08:15] mailto is a temp hack [18:08:26] ah ok. But we have validation to stop that no? [18:08:48] MaxSem: so if it is an easy thing to do, please do add that :D [18:08:55] MaxSem: but then 'mobileview' as a name makes no sense :) [18:08:58] okie [18:09:04] hmmmmmm [18:09:20] action=mobileview....¬ransform [18:09:31] jdlrobson: we'd have to add it. the first sprint was all about seeing what we could easily get done and seeing the kind of feedback we got [18:09:39] does that look lame? [18:09:41] now we get to strategize about how to make it better [18:10:32] MaxSem: very [18:10:43] MaxSem: action=mobileview...&justkidding=1 [18:10:49] okay, other suggestions? [18:11:16] MaxSem: deprecate action=mobileview, call it action=sections or something? [18:11:23] sectionview, perhaps? [18:11:32] deprecations suck [18:12:06] MaxSem: wrongly named things suck too! [18:12:18] E_ALL, etc :) [18:12:39] well, now E_ALL means really all [18:12:43] as of PHP 5.4 [18:12:57] last I heard, mediawiki still supports php 2.3 :P [18:13:00] so backwards compat, etc :) [18:14:57] MaxSem: also, action=parse supports sections [18:15:43] this is not the action you've been looking for, mr. stormtrooper [18:15:52] so this would be sortof duplicative [18:16:30] once again, per-section parse is different [18:17:17] *sort-of* duplicative :) [18:19:14] MaxSem: what's the usual way of API deprecation? [18:19:21] i wonder if other APIs have been deprecated before [18:20:18] that's a painful thing. in our case, it'll have to live for longer than it previously existed [18:20:55] MaxSem: we can monitor traffic and drop it when it goes below a certain threshold [18:21:03] MaxSem: *or*, we can just issue a perm redirect [18:21:05] nah [18:21:10] deprecations suck [18:21:12] deprecations suck [18:21:17] wrongly named things suck [18:21:23] deprecations suck [18:21:43] MaxSem: are you suggesting we stick to calling it mobileview? [18:21:53] and say 'it is mobile view, but you can get the non mobile view too?' [18:22:34] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "add further information to feedback (bug 37717 and bug 36388)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12035 [18:22:37] yuvipanda: ^ [18:23:01] yeah, deprecations suck [18:23:17] MaxSem: oh c'mon! [18:23:35] I'm assuming that will work for e-mails - but I can't work out what magic is at work there to pass subject/message body etc - all I can get my local feedback form to do is to create a hardcoded email link [18:23:37] why does deprecation suck? [18:23:47] having to support something thats broken is much worse and wastes time [18:23:50] that's actually a very good question! [18:24:16] if we have something thats better lets not waste our time with old broken code [18:24:27] and/or outdated code [18:24:48] and/or outdated names :) [18:24:52] sure [18:24:53] we're talking not aabout brokenness [18:24:56] what are we looking at deprecating [18:25:14] we're talking about bikesheddy names [18:25:22] oh geez .. really [18:25:29] * tfinc gets out of this [18:25:41] MaxSem: oh c'mon, this isn't bike shedding! [18:25:55] we can't call it mobileview and then pass a parameter to kill the 'mobile' part [18:25:57] no, my color is better! [18:26:52] "Delivers content optimized for mobile devices for use by mobile apps and dynamic section views. Almost like a restricted-functionality action=parse, but more flexible and returns separate sections that are always obtained from full-page parse." [18:26:58] outdated code is bad mmkay [18:27:05] MaxSem: we can't call something a knife and then 'pass a parameter' to get rid of the blade [18:27:35] okay, stupid analogy [18:27:49] yuvipanda: that needs to be a t-shirt slogan [18:28:22] preilly: 'okay, stupid analogy?" [18:28:32] yuvipanda: no no I thought it was perfect [18:29:01] heh, it sortof sounds like 'you wouldn't download a car!' to me :) [18:29:11] * yuvipanda is sad about not wearing his 'not just the tip!' t shirt at berlin [18:29:41] oh my my [18:30:32] preilly: it was a javascript conference t shirt, and those guys didn't know what it meant. I think that makes it even more funny. [18:30:47] ha ha [18:31:02] * yuvipanda makes note to wear it at Washington [18:31:33] philinje: pfhayes i'm eager to hit publish on the wiktionary app today. let it sit in google play for a day and then we can do more messaging around it [18:31:45] tfinc: sounds good to me [18:32:42] tfinc: let me know if you need me to review anything [18:33:10] philinje: id like you and pfhayes to work together on a blog post [18:33:37] * yuvipanda suggests involving Amgine too [18:33:40] tfinc: philinje pfhayes ^ [18:33:41] if the communications calendar is open lets plan on pushing it thur/fri [18:33:43] agreed [18:33:57] Amgine will be helpful [18:34:06] I can write, but not so great with the code. [18:34:49] philinje can help you craft the wording [18:35:03] tfinc: ok, pfhayes, Amgine, do you have access to our WordPress? If not, send me a draft in any form [18:35:15] philinje: we don't have access to the wordpress [18:35:53] ok, just a text file will work, and screenshots [18:35:53] philinje: example postings? [18:36:02] one sec [18:36:20] baring any other reason i'm going to publish it @ 1PM PDT [18:36:59] sweet, I start investigating a serious PhoneGap bug in Cordova only to find it was fixed in master 4 days ago! [18:36:59] barring [18:37:02] * yuvipanda goes to make a build [18:37:21] tfinc: works for me [18:37:21] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/06/06/help-design-the-future-look-of-wikipedia-mobile/ [18:38:04] pfhayes: http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/mobile/ [18:38:10] jdlrobson: looks good to me! [18:38:14] yuvipanda: what would be a good first task for me to do for WLM to get some exposure to the code base? [18:39:03] i particularly like http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/26/wikipedia-mobile-gets-a-face-lift/ as a good example [18:39:42] thanks tfinc, philinje. i can work on a draft today [18:40:05] pfhayes: Amgine: not too many screenshots, ideally 2 and no more than 4, or send a few and I can choose [18:40:14] What is the topic of the blog entry? the focus/concept? [18:40:59] Amgine: background on the project, the volunteer effort, the nature of the app, how it was developed, why it's important [18:41:06] jdlrobson: mmm, a 'tinyish' one would be styling for the popups. a 'smallish' one would be auto-login and storage of username/password. a 'mediumish' one would be 'implement search as you type for monuments'. [18:41:15] jdlrobson: or, you could CR my code! :P [18:41:16] here is how we announced the Wikipedia app back in the day http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/01/26/announcing-the-official-wikipedia-android-app/ [18:41:20] yuvipanda: link me up to bugzilla! [18:41:21] Amgine: pfhayes --^ [18:41:36] Amgine: sorry, in terms of focus, just the fact that the app has launched [18:41:41] also MaxSem - fancy updating LocalSettings.php on http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Home&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile [18:41:55] we have an image 404ing - tfinc I don't think we are doing a deployment today [18:42:32] jdlrobson: nothing on bugzilla - this isn't even merged yet! [18:42:40] thats fine but you can get anyone who *would* be doing a deployment (max, patrick, etc) to make that change [18:42:43] jdlrobson: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_mobile_application/ToDo [18:42:49] yuvipanda: thanks [18:43:04] MaxSem: >https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37611 [18:43:35] jdlrobson: also, http://github.com/yuvipanda/WikipediaMobile. As I mentioned, not merged yet. I'll finish maps today and then poke brion for CR (or you can do that!) [18:43:55] yuvipanda: is that the unofficial master copy for the moment then? [18:44:05] jdlrobson: for the moment, yes [18:44:07] mmmm, can we use upload.wm.o for such heavy traffic? [18:44:20] jdlrobson: should change shortly. It has move to gerrit [18:44:24] Amgine: in the Android app launch blog post, the part about the global mission ties it into broader objectives, in this case that could be a few sentences and doesn't need to be a whole section - that part I can add [18:44:27] ok yuvipanda [18:44:42] Amgine: probably the volunteer effort will be a key point of interest [18:45:06] yuvipanda: did you mean https://github.com/yuvipanda/WLMMobile [18:45:11] jdlrobson: grr, yes [18:45:13] :) [18:45:17] mmm, though we use it for main site's logos:P [18:45:18] kk. I think pfhayes should do the lead write-up, but I will try to ensure these points get covered. [18:50:15] yuvipanda: i just took a spin through the wlm app. its coming together nicely [18:50:45] tfinc: yup! The colors are a bit off and assets aren't in place - I think linSmith will get them to me in a day or two. [18:51:09] tfinc: working on the maps now, will merge that in after that. [18:52:59] yuvipanda: where are you guys collecting feedback? [18:53:48] tfinc: so far seems to be https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_mobile_application/Feedback [18:54:08] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "make sections visible as soon as toggling code has been initialised (bug 37619)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12039 [18:54:08] just create a new section. [18:54:19] philinje: can i scrub https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_mobile_application/Feedback and start using it for app feedback ? [18:54:35] yuvipanda: no. its already too messy [18:54:51] if i'm going to treat it as a feedback page i want to clean it up [18:54:53] tfinc: archive it. [18:55:03] yeah, i think archiving everything there now should be fine [18:55:45] done [18:55:50] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_mobile_application/Feedback/Archive [18:56:35] yuvipanda: i'm going to jot down notes as i go. i'm betting your already working on some of these as polish [18:56:37] but i want to capture them [18:56:58] tfinc: yes, as I mentioned - this is very much a 'first cut of something that implements at least one full flow' [18:57:08] tfinc: but do capture them - i'll mark them as and when they come [18:57:11] woot! [18:57:19] tfinc: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_mobile_application/ToDo is my immediate 'ToDo' [18:59:41] yuvipanda: what did you pass onto jdlrobson to work on for wlm? [19:00:25] tfinc: 'implement search as you type for monuments' sounds fun. That aside I'll probably just code review [19:00:29] tfinc: i gave him a platter to pick from. [19:00:31] ah [19:00:40] jdlrobson: i think MaxSem hasn't deployed fulltext search yet to toolserver [19:02:01] :( [19:02:33] jdlrobson: but i think it still would work. [19:02:41] might just take a few ten seconds / minutes per response :P [19:05:47] yuvipanda: will take a look at WLM after lunch [19:05:52] jdlrobson: sweet [19:06:37] hmm, I can just undelete https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:35x22px-Wikimedia-logo.png [19:06:47] :D [19:09:30] yuvipanda: hey, mind if I PM you for a min? :) [19:10:08] Debloper: sure, go ahead! [19:25:28] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11962 [19:25:32] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11962 [19:26:35] MaxSem: what do you think of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11569/ [19:26:41] * preilly doesn't like it [19:29:42] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11569 [19:29:51] preilly, what are your concerns? [19:30:13] I personally think that we should have a configuration setting for this [19:30:33] MaxSem: yeah that too [19:30:51] MaxSem: I just don't like the isDesktopBrowser method [19:30:54] also, it seems to kill xdevice support [19:31:06] MaxSem: yeah [19:31:22] MaxSem: I don't think jdlrobson fully understands our use of xdevice [19:31:44] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: -1 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11569 [19:31:48] or not... getDevice() already takes care of xdevice [19:31:51] my bad [19:32:07] MaxSem: yeah [19:33:22] MaxSem: but, I still think we could come up with a better approach [19:33:25] also I think we should figure out the use of mobile autodetection for single-domain configurations [19:33:53] MaxSem: very true [19:34:26] I don't have any specific concderns, but it seems that there's a can of worms around [19:43:36] MaxSem: well I don't like $mobileUA = '/(iphone|ipod|webos|opera mini|opera mobi|minimo|android|blackberry|win [19:43:36] dows\sce|palm|smartphone|iemobile|fennec|symbianos|maemo browser)/i'; [19:43:38] for example [19:44:49] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12039 [19:44:52] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12039 [19:45:44] New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12035 [19:45:48] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12035 [19:46:26] MaxSem: have you looked at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/10452/ again? [19:47:07] will do [19:56:50] Change abandoned: preilly; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11569 [20:22:36] * tfinc preps pushing the publish wiktionary button on google play for pfhayes [20:22:38] :D [20:22:44] tfinc: :) [20:22:56] preilly: MaxSem : do we have a deployment today? [20:23:06] tfinc: no [20:23:21] excellent. that makes it even better for publishing the wiktionary app [20:23:38] pfhayes: any reason for me to not hit publish ? [20:23:48] tfinc: none from me [20:24:27] yuvipanda: Amgine : any reason from you guys. if i don't hear otherwise I'm hitting publish [20:25:08] "Assange Requests Asylum In Ecuador" .. wow [20:25:22] yeah [20:25:31] tfinc: I wonder if they'll do it [20:26:09] all right … i'm publishing the app :D [20:26:23] pfhayes: --^ [20:26:29] tfinc: whooo! [20:27:44] * tfinc hands pfhayes a virtual beer [20:27:54] tfinc: :) [20:27:58] very exciting [20:29:36] tfinc: none :) [20:29:41] yuvipanda: why are we doing 'if (condition' rather than 'if(condition' in WLM [20:29:52] * preilly throws pfhayes an Il Vicino (Nob Hill) IPA. [ http://beerme.com/brewery.php?2215#1140 ] [20:30:39] * preilly throws yuvipanda an Old Izaak. [20:31:16] pfhayes: i'm refreshing https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Wikimedia+Foundation and https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wiktionary to see when it shows up [20:31:28] tfinc: me too :D [20:31:50] * preilly throws tfinc a Porterhouse OysterStout. [ http://beerme.com/brewery.php?3439#12072 ] [20:32:20] preilly: out of curiosity what made you pick that one [20:32:28] * preilly throws philinje a Beermann's LincolnshireMild. [ http://beerme.com/brewery.php?6512#3001 ] [20:32:42] tfinc: I didn't a bot did [20:32:47] tfinc: is that one that you like? [20:34:50] preilly: its oddly accurate. i drank tons of those in dublin while working for amazon at http://www.porterhousebrewco.com/. its actually one of my fav spots in dublin [20:35:05] jdlrobson: where? [20:35:07] tfinc: nice [20:35:17] in WLM app - api.js for example [20:35:20] jdlrobson: i don't remember conciously doing that. Possibly a typo, or holdover from brion [20:35:30] also main.js [20:35:43] just felt it would be good to be consistent with WikipediaMobile [20:35:47] jdlrobson: agreed. [20:35:49] will do [20:36:07] it's ok.. i'll do it [20:36:14] i'm currently trying to get wifi to work on the iPhone 3G so i can do a final run on the iOS release [20:36:16] gives me a chance to look over the code and get my first pull request in ;-) [20:36:23] jdlrobson: awesome! :) [20:36:28] * preilly throws jdlrobson a Bell's Hopslam Ale. [ http://beerme.com/brewery.php?9545#22851 ] [20:36:33] sorry, I forgot about you [20:36:43] pfhayes: it's taking forever to see it. yuvipanda whats delay did you see when you updated our apk for the wikipedia app ? [20:36:46] preilly: i've no idea about Old Izaak, will check out when i next am in a country that has real beer [20:36:51] tfinc: ~2h [20:36:55] yuck [20:36:56] on average [20:37:01] pfhayes: --^ [20:37:01] tfinc: sometimes a little less (~1h) [20:37:21] thanks yuvipanda. tfinc, i guess i'll stop refreshing so often :P [20:38:04] * preilly throws yuvipanda a Kingfisher Premium Lager instead [20:38:21] Kingfisher .. really [20:38:27] you couldn't do any better? [20:38:32] tfinc: not in India [20:38:46] preilly: when do I get to drink it? [20:38:49] pfhayes: tfinc sortof like http://techattitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/reddit.jpg [20:38:51] * preilly Fact: When Terry Chay uninstalls software, the task is accomplished globally [20:39:03] yuvipanda: :) [20:39:04] lolz [20:39:06] preilly: eww, no. I don't think I can drink KF - or any lager, really [20:39:11] * yuvipanda blames SF [20:39:15] * preilly Fact: The real reason there's no spyware for MacOS is that it's afraid of Terry Chay [20:39:38] * preilly Fact: Never, EVER, offer to take Terry Chay out for lunch; he already took it from you [20:39:42] tfinc: also, daily dose of outrage http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_INDIA_FAMILY_BEHEADING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-19-10-28-45 [20:39:47] preilly: no bot? [20:40:15] tfinc: very game-of-throne-y, except not really [20:41:07] yuvipanda: pretty horrible actually [20:41:15] yuvipanda: /msg Phergie Terry Chay [20:41:20] /msg Phergie Terry Chay [20:42:02] * preilly : Fact: Terry Chay doesn't profile his code, he just commands it to run better [20:42:13] tfinc: yes, but sadly not shocking. I've seen such scenes in local movies in the same context, and audience reaction (esp. on the older people) is sympathetic towards killer. [20:42:17] * yuvipanda sighs [20:42:22] * yuvipanda goes back to getting this damn wifi to wor [20:42:22] k [20:43:06] yuvipanda: so your moving out of india sometime soon right? [20:44:14] tfinc: the world is pretty big, and I don't plan on confining myself to one country! [20:45:13] tfinc: http://phpdoc.info/chayism/ [20:45:30] ha ha ha Terry Chay doesn't bother hashing his password; his password is so perfect that the mere sight of it would kill you [20:45:35] yuvipanda: traveling the world is fun. i still have a lot more to do https://maps.google.com/maps?q=https:%2F%2Fpicasaweb.google.com%2Fdata%2Ffeed%2Fbase%2Fuser%2F106988299880931931335%3Falt%3Drss%26kind%3Dalbum%26hl%3Den_US%26access%3Dpublic%26imgmax%3D1600&hl=en&ll=13.304082,-17.859996&spn=152.82451,11.601562&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.50801,92.900391&t=h&z=2 [20:46:07] tfinc: woah! [20:46:10] that's a huge cluster! [20:46:44] tfinc: all I have is http://yuvi.in/where.html [20:46:57] yuvipanda: i don't see berlin on your list [20:46:58] and seem to have messed up the mime-type [20:47:03] or potsdam [20:47:14] tfinc: there is berlin [20:47:20] tfinc: i should add potsdam! [20:47:30]