[00:00:10] <yuvipanda>	 so, this is the piece of code i was to touch next
[00:00:17] <yuvipanda>	 and i'd probably just use module level variables
[00:00:19] <jdlrobson>	 I just think it's clearer to a newbie
[00:00:20] <yuvipanda>	 *private variables
[00:00:34] <yuvipanda>	 and just expose whatever needs to be exposed via accessors
[00:00:40] <jdlrobson>	 otherwise it's hard to work out which variables are used throughout the code
[00:00:43] <yuvipanda>	 than use this sortof public but not really
[00:00:44] <yuvipanda>	 thing
[00:00:53] <jdlrobson>	 also I'd question whether they need to be returned at all
[00:01:38] <yuvipanda>	 heh, we're saying the same thing :)
[00:02:19] <jdlrobson>	 also remind me with require where does the return value get stored?
[00:03:06] <jdlrobson>	 it's in a variable with the name of first argument right?
[00:03:19] <jdlrobson>	 no sorry now I'm being stupid
[00:03:24] <jdlrobson>	 the first arguments are the dependencies
[00:03:26] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson:  https://github.com/yuvipanda/WLMMobile/pull/1
[00:03:28] <yuvipanda>	 err
[00:03:32] <yuvipanda>	 	function($, l10n, geo, Api, templates, MonumentsApi) {
[00:03:43] <yuvipanda>	 require(['jquery', 'l10n', 'geo', 'api', 'templates', 'monuments', 'jquery.localize'],
[00:03:54] <yuvipanda>	 they correspond to the arguments to the function
[00:04:00] <yuvipanda>	 so jquery gets into $, l10n in l10n, etc
[00:04:07] <yuvipanda>	 names don't matter
[00:04:10] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: fixed it
[00:04:20] <tfinc>	 i hate key signing so much
[00:04:30] <tfinc>	 even though organizer was clean of *any* old certs
[00:04:41] <tfinc>	 my system was not. i found an old distro cert inside keychain access
[00:04:48] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i hear there's a key signing party right before Wikimania. You should come protest outside :)
[00:04:51] <tfinc>	 this made Xcode try to sign the app with the new and old cert
[00:05:01] <tfinc>	 funny
[00:05:23] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: no issues were found
[00:05:24] <tfinc>	 :)
[00:05:45] <tfinc>	 i'll give it a quick pass and barring anything else i'll submit it for approval
[00:05:45] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: didn't you also need to do some fixups with the provisioning certificate, which was to expire at the end of the month or something?
[00:05:50] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: awesome!
[00:06:17] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i did upgrade testing on it, but you might want to dhat too :) Instructions on the pre-launch checklist page
[00:06:21] <tfinc>	 yes, i regenerated all the expired certs. removed all old certs from organizer but didn't also purge them from keychain
[00:06:23] <tfinc>	 which is dumb
[00:06:40] <tfinc>	 as Xcode should just use what organizer says
[00:06:48] <yuvipanda>	 apple's stuff just works, except when it doesn't, at which point you're just in voodoo land
[00:07:08] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: document this for people from elsewhere running into key issues?
[00:07:14] <yuvipanda>	 but i'm unsure where
[00:07:33] <yuvipanda>	 also, how the fuck does one get to gitweb from gerrit?
[00:07:33] <yuvipanda>	 grr
[00:07:37] <tfinc>	 i'm going to add it to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5264481/xcode-4-reinstalls-keychain-certs-that-i-delete
[00:08:10] <yuvipanda>	 there's a tab called 'documentation' which lists perhaps the most useless pieces of documentation
[00:08:13] <yuvipanda>	 wonderful
[00:08:51] <yuvipanda>	 googling for 'gitweb mediawiki' seems to be the solution :D
[00:09:44] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i'm not seeing images from my previously saved pages
[00:10:07] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i can't scroll the about screen
[00:10:28] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: which page?
[00:10:31] <yuvipanda>	 and which OS?
[00:10:37] <yuvipanda>	 i just did that and got my prior images...
[00:10:43] <tfinc>	 Delhi
[00:11:01] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: and OS?
[00:11:08] <yuvipanda>	 i can scroll about fine on 4.2
[00:11:12] <tfinc>	 my saved copy would have come from Wikipedia iOS 3.1.2
[00:11:18] <tfinc>	 iOS5.1
[00:11:28] <tfinc>	 this is in the simulator
[00:12:15] <tfinc>	 newly saved pages work just fine
[00:13:08] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: err, upgrade testing on a simulator?
[00:13:17] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: I don't think that'll work right
[00:13:30] <tfinc>	 it noticed i had old pages and ran through the upgrade
[00:13:36] <tfinc>	 old saved pages
[00:15:53] <yuvipanda>	 okay, about doesn't scroll for me on 5.1 - scrolls on 4.x.
[00:15:55] * yuvipanda  is baffled

[00:16:22] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: so, can you try the saved pages again, but from a 'clean slate'?
[00:16:35] <yuvipanda>	 it is possible you were testing an RC that it upgraded from, and the RC had a bug, etc
[00:18:10] <tfinc>	 i'm trying on device now
[00:21:28] <tfinc>	 i have the same scrolling issue on device yuvipanda
[00:21:58] <tfinc>	 i can't scroll the config about scrten
[00:22:00] <tfinc>	 screen
[00:22:28] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yeah, i confirm that. am investigating
[00:22:34] <yuvipanda>	 try upgrade testing
[00:23:13] <tfinc>	 barring some style issues i can't find anything else busted
[00:23:36] <tfinc>	 pinch and zoom works really nicely on map view
[00:25:17] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: is remotes/yuvi/v3.1.2-iOS the right remote to build from for upgrade testing ?
[00:25:34] * jdlrobson  takes a deep breath before startling some horses

[00:26:49] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: there should be one in the official repo too?
[00:26:54] <yuvipanda>	 but that works as well
[00:27:21] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: duh
[00:27:28] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: number-of-times-scrolling-broke++
[00:27:37] <tfinc>	 good point. why don't i make it easy on myself by doing that
[00:28:12] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/iOS/ doesn't have it
[00:29:08] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: damn
[00:29:17] <yuvipanda>	 well, upload it when you build a copy?
[00:29:20] * yuvipanda  adds that to checklist

[00:29:41] <tfinc>	 and i don't have it on my machine
[00:29:46] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: you must have built it
[00:29:53] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yes, i've a copy
[00:30:07] <tfinc>	 dropbox it so that i can archive it
[00:30:08] <yuvipanda>	 sending
[00:31:22] <yuvipanda>	 meh
[00:31:28] <yuvipanda>	 that was built with my key, not the public provisioning one
[00:31:34] <yuvipanda>	 need to rebuild
[00:32:54] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: sending via email. Dropbox has decided to not work for me today
[00:32:59] <tfinc>	 k
[00:33:03] <yuvipanda>	 finder crashed earlier, might have been teh cause
[00:39:54] <tfinc>	 got it
[00:39:57] <tfinc>	 testing now
[00:41:57] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: first test didn't carry over *any* of my newly saved pages
[00:42:42] <tfinc>	 but i wonder if its because i installed 3.1.2 from an ipa and 3.2 directly from xcode
[00:43:25] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yup, don't do that.
[00:43:33] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: install both from iTunes
[00:43:37] <yuvipanda>	 and make sure they have the same name
[00:43:45] <yuvipanda>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Pre_launch_checklist
[00:43:55] <yuvipanda>	 has a section on same names :)
[00:44:00] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: now you need to uninstall, then start over
[00:48:40] * preilly  installing iOS 6 beta on iPhone 4S (GSM)

[00:49:44] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: same result. i still don't see saves pages when i upgrade
[00:51:13] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: are you upgrading to master?
[00:51:21] <tfinc>	 yes
[00:51:31] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: and are the ipa files named the same?
[00:51:36] <tfinc>	 archive build from master
[00:51:59] <tfinc>	 yes. i'll do it *one* more time
[00:52:03] <yuvipanda>	 hmm, maybe they also need to be *signed* by the same key?
[00:52:10] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: ^
[00:53:44] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i think you should make a v3.1.2 build and sign it with your own cert and try?
[00:53:55] <yuvipanda>	 i think it is possibly because the two versions are signed by different certs
[00:54:42] <tfinc>	 could be. so   remotes/yuvi/v3.1.2-iOS ?
[00:55:03] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yeah
[00:55:10] <yuvipanda>	 or even remotes/official/v3.1.2-iOS
[00:55:12] <yuvipanda>	 all the same
[00:58:17] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: k, testing new build now
[00:59:47] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: so, about page scrolling works if i turn off 'native' scrolling
[00:59:54] <yuvipanda>	 this makes no sense, since it was completely working fine prior to this
[01:01:57] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: no go. i still can't see saved pages across the upgrade even if i use the exact same signing key
[01:02:05] <tfinc>	 since were not agreeing we should get someone else to test this
[01:03:00] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yup. i just tested the upgrade process on the iphone 3g and the ipod and i got mine done nicely
[01:03:09] <preilly>	 boo
[01:03:11] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: how many pages are you saving?
[01:03:12] <tfinc>	 preilly: can you test and validate
[01:03:15] <tfinc>	 2
[01:03:19] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: which ones?
[01:03:28] <tfinc>	 various links from article of the day on en
[01:03:32] <yuvipanda>	 okay
[01:03:37] <yuvipanda>	 and this is an iPhone 4s?
[01:03:41] <yuvipanda>	 or older device?
[01:18:12] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i've a fix for the scroll issue.
[01:18:23] <yuvipanda>	 swapped the order of two calls, and it works
[01:18:27] <yuvipanda>	 and scarily, i don't know why :|
[01:18:35] <yuvipanda>	 but, it does work
[01:19:28] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson-shinym: https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/255
[01:19:31] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: ^
[01:20:28] <yuvipanda>	 alright, i seem to be facekeyboarding veerrry hard
[01:20:32] <yuvipanda>	 shall go to sleep
[01:20:44] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: email me results of your attempt to get saved pages to convert?
[01:20:52] <yuvipanda>	 make sure you're able to open them in the older version of the app first
[01:20:55] <yuvipanda>	 before upgrading to newer
[01:21:18] <yuvipanda>	 and you should get a prompt right after app loads
[01:21:31] <yuvipanda>	 now i am off
[01:21:38] <yuvipanda>	 to plant my face on something that's not a keyboard
[01:29:46] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] jdlrobson pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/JXk6TA
[01:29:46] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Fix scrolling issues with About page & search results - YuviPanda
[01:29:46] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #255 from yuvipanda/scroll-fix-number-n - Jon Robson
[15:02:48] * yuvipanda  looks around

[15:03:31] * chrismcmahon  waves at yuvipanda

[15:03:47] <yuvipanda>	 heya chrismcmahon :)
[16:12:56] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: I am able to reproduce the 'image missing' bug on migration.
[16:14:03] <tfinc>	 k
[16:18:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10452
[16:48:46] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, yo
[16:48:52] <jdlrobson>	 morning MaxSem
[16:49:58] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, how hard could it be to make a limited version of ResourceLoader's localisation system for MF? e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?modules=ext.apiSandbox&only=messages
[16:50:22] <philinje>	 yuvipanda: hey, can you reply to the email from James Haigh about saved pages?
[16:52:09] <tfinc>	 greetings all
[16:52:12] <tfinc>	 hangout is up https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/accb2d5d75069c62d7c8ca82dfe6042c0e5e816e?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:52:15] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: yuvipanda --^
[16:52:27] <preilly>	 tfinc: I'm going to need a minute
[16:52:36] <tfinc>	 preilly: you have 8
[16:52:39] <preilly>	 tfinc: Zero related push right now
[16:53:06] <tfinc>	 preilly: k
[16:53:51] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: not sure really but we should move all messages to ResourceLoader
[16:54:34] <MaxSem>	 the problem is still the same: RL support across devices :(
[16:54:35] <jdlrobson>	 in terms of the problem of languages you flagged about settings though - RL would still serve you them all right?
[16:54:52] <MaxSem>	 yes, but not on every page view
[16:55:10] <jdlrobson>	 well that could be solved by having an addMessageToPage function
[16:55:17] <jdlrobson>	 which the SpecialPage could add additional ones it needs
[16:55:21] <MaxSem>	 for example?
[16:55:25] <jdlrobson>	 1s
[16:55:41] <tfinc>	 stand up in 5 min
[16:56:05] <MaxSem>	 got it
[16:56:44] <MaxSem>	 still, there's no reason to serve ANY JS messages on every page view
[16:56:49] <jdlrobson>	 so I'm not sure at what point it would happen but in SpecialMobileOptions getSettingsForm I'd imagine a call to addMessageToPage(''mobile-frontend-language-site-nomatches', $val)
[16:57:12] <jdlrobson>	 why not MaxSem.. it's got to be in js somewhere.
[16:57:50] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: you joining us ?
[16:58:05] <jdlrobson>	 (addMessageToPage would add a key to mwMobileFrontendConfig messages)
[16:58:06] <MaxSem>	 because page size grows and mobile users have narrow bandwidth, sometimes with per-traffic fee
[16:58:50] <jdlrobson>	 Sure... but if we're given them extra stuff with javascript that has messages - those need to be served somewhere
[16:59:16] <MaxSem>	 you can serve them once as <script> then rely on cache
[16:59:17] <jdlrobson>	 If we are worried about page size we have bigger issues in the page content :)
[16:59:37] <jdlrobson>	 Oh i see what you mean.. well there's nothing stopping us serving them in a javascript file
[16:59:48] <jdlrobson>	 brb standup
[17:00:04] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, other than lack of ResourceLoader:)
[17:03:23] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: yes, will do. Finishing up iOS stuff
[17:09:25] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: so from your standup status your picking between resource loader and core migration ?
[17:10:23] <MaxSem>	 yes
[17:10:37] <tfinc>	 whats the work/rewards for the next step of resource loader work
[17:12:00] <MaxSem>	 decrease page size, reduce the negative effects of aggressive Varnish cache
[17:12:37] <MaxSem>	 (currently I'm most worried about the growing size of JS messages served on every page view)
[17:13:52] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, I think mediawiki.js could be made not to depend on jQuery - it seems to mostly use $.isArray() and similar stuff from it
[17:15:00] <jdlrobson>	 So MaxSem I still think the first priority for reducing the size of page loads is to implement dynamic sections
[17:15:11] <MaxSem>	 hahaha
[17:15:27] <jdlrobson>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Dynamic_Sections
[17:16:01] <jdlrobson>	 we're going after the small fish rather than the big one ;-)
[17:16:19] <tfinc>	 i'm looking to see where we can get the best results
[17:16:26] <MaxSem>	 your mockup mostly worked, what happened to it?
[17:16:29] <tfinc>	 i'm also looking for preilly to finally publish a blog post about performance
[17:17:42] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, did the mockup rely on jQuery?
[17:19:17] <MaxSem>	 cause if it did, we'll still be penalizing the dumb phones that need optimisation most
[17:20:50] <jdlrobson>	 mmm MaxSem I can't remember what I did with the mockup let me remind myself..
[17:20:59] <jdlrobson>	 ahh https://gist.github.com/2428322
[17:21:12] <jdlrobson>	 so it was a diff
[17:21:17] <jdlrobson>	 so the main issue I had was the php side
[17:21:27] <jdlrobson>	 A first pass would be to give each section it's own addressable url
[17:21:30] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: philinje good start so far https://play.google.com/apps/publish/Home?dev_acc=18062848292902787645#ViewCommentPlace:p=org.wiktionary
[17:21:56] <jdlrobson>	 so something like http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Francisco&section=2
[17:22:00] <jdlrobson>	 only returns section 2
[17:23:20] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: indeed!
[17:23:46] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: do you think there's a way we can give pfhayes access to this?
[17:24:04] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: also, ways to redirect wiktionary feedback on mobile-feedback-l to him?
[17:26:03] <jdlrobson>	 the idea for non-jQuery browsers would be to give them just links to the sections
[17:26:09] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: sadly no because if i give him access he has access to *everything*
[17:26:10] <jdlrobson>	 for opera mini I think that would work really well
[17:26:17] <tfinc>	 google play doesn't have app specific permissions
[17:26:35] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: sigh
[17:27:19] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: let me know when i should test the new IPA
[17:27:33] <tfinc>	 i don't believe we caught preilly for the testing yesterday as he was heading gout
[17:27:34] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: also, you were right - you can use the simulator to test upgrade process
[17:27:35] <tfinc>	 out*
[17:27:43] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: good. that makes our life easier
[17:27:50] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: it didn't work the last time because they were to completely different apps (2.x vs 3.x)
[17:28:01] <yuvipanda>	 *two
[17:28:57] <tfinc>	 philinje: can you capture the first review under https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wiktionary and throw some bugs in for wiktionary
[17:32:22] <philinje>	 wow, great feedback
[17:32:49] <philinje>	 he explained a usability issue I was trying to figure out on discussion pages
[17:35:13] <tfinc>	 philinje: yes. lets capture it in bugzilla/wiki page/etc
[17:35:51] <philinje>	 sure
[17:39:42] * MaxSem  wonders what's the point of saving dictdefs locally - a dictionary has use cases absolutely different from an encyclopedia

[17:42:31] <jdlrobson>	 under applecare till Sept 8th 2013 tfinc \o/
[17:42:47] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: take it in before you have to give up your first born to fix that laptop
[17:44:03] <jdlrobson-shinym>	 mm http://developer.apple.com/xcode/ is down :(
[17:44:23] <jdlrobson-shinym>	 kind of need it..
[17:44:49] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson-shinym: just get it from the mac app store
[17:44:57] <jdlrobson-shinym>	 that's not working either..
[17:46:23] <tfinc>	 preilly: asher was telling my yesterday that our cache hit rate has dropped dramatically . has he talked to you about this?
[17:46:37] <tfinc>	 on mobile varnish
[17:47:32] <preilly>	 tfinc: I've noticed as well
[17:47:46] <preilly>	 tfinc: we haven't talked about it directly yet
[17:48:02] <tfinc>	 he was saying that we've dipped below 20% which is bad. previously we had been at 90%+
[17:49:04] <preilly>	 tfinc: yeah I'm getting X-Cache:cp1043 miss (0) X-Cache-frontend:cp1044 miss (0) on Status Code:304 Not Modified
[17:49:15] <preilly>	 which is really bad
[17:52:39] <tfinc>	 yes. i opened a bug and assigned it to you preilly  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37752
[17:53:50] * tfinc  watches the app store spinner spin endlessly 

[17:54:03] <tfinc>	 pfhayes: wiktionary app looks good out of the gate
[17:54:55] <pfhayes>	 tfinc: great! :)
[17:58:06] <Krinkle>	 jdlrobson: MaxSem: I switched connections but I recall a few pings from you two earlier? (not sure whether my name or a stalk word). Anything up?
[17:58:34] <yuvipanda>	 hey jdlrobson-shinym
[17:58:35] <yuvipanda>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/256
[17:58:42] <jdlrobson-shinym>	 hey yuvipanda
[17:58:45] <yuvipanda>	 Krinkle: must've been their discussion about RL
[17:58:47] <MaxSem>	 Krinkle, we mentioned RL a lot:)
[17:58:53] <Krinkle>	 :D
[17:58:58] <Krinkle>	 okay
[17:59:22] <MaxSem>	 ResourceLoaderResourceLoaderResourceLoaderResourceLoaderResourceLoader
[17:59:30] <Krinkle>	 wee
[18:00:49] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, around?
[18:02:18] <jdlrobson>	 yup
[18:02:34] <jdlrobson-shinym>	 yup
[18:05:33] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, I have serious concerns related to caching in a pure-PHP per-section views
[18:06:17] <MaxSem>	 basically, you'll have to purge a lot of links with &section=[0...+INF]
[18:07:23] <tfinc>	 why do i get the feeling that this is brions desk at home http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/20/retina-macbook-pro-can-run-three-external-displays-simultaneously/ ?
[18:08:26] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: could we introduce a non-query string mechanism?
[18:08:42] <MaxSem>	 yeah, with JS:P
[18:09:17] <jdlrobson>	 Nope needs to be non-js
[18:09:35] <jdlrobson>	 I mean is there something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco/Section:1 that could work?
[18:09:53] <MaxSem>	 it's still a URL that needs to be purged
[18:10:21] <MaxSem>	 btw, San_Francisco/Section:1 is a valid page title
[18:10:35] <jdlrobson>	 yeh I know that's why I originally suggested query strings
[18:10:58] <jdlrobson>	 I just wondered if there was any url structure that was reserved for this sort of thing
[18:11:52] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: found anything else? Saved pages images issue should be fixed with https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/256
[18:12:34] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: did you fix the about page scrolling issue with confidence? i know you fixed it yesterday but it didn't seem like you knew why
[18:16:50] <philinje>	 a bug with horizontal scrolling reported today on Android 2.3.6 and v1.2.1
[18:17:34] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: it wfm, but i still don't know why
[18:17:56] <yuvipanda>	 i just changed order  of some DOM manips
[18:17:57] <tfinc>	 get jdlrobson to help you figure out why
[18:18:43] <yuvipanda>	 hey jdlrobson
[18:19:21] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: any idea why https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/255/files would 'fix' scroll issues in iOS with -webkit-overflow-scrolling: touch?
[18:20:37] <jdlrobson>	 we are using -webkit-overflow-scrolling ?
[18:20:48] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: on iOS yes
[18:20:58] <yuvipanda>	 5.x
[18:21:14] <jdlrobson>	 i'd suggest steering clear of that - http://jonrobson.me.uk/development/overflow-scrolling/ for instance
[18:21:31] <jdlrobson>	 it seems buggy
[18:24:17] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: yup, but nothing that hit us badly yet
[18:24:44] <yuvipanda>	 (hehe!)
[18:24:59] <jdlrobson>	 well it might be interfering with scrolling...
[18:25:07] <jdlrobson>	 btw WLM seems really slow on my android
[18:25:11] <jdlrobson>	 unresponsive
[18:25:17] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: we don't use iscroll on ios 5.x
[18:25:34] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: it isn't remotely close to usable
[18:25:39] <jdlrobson>	 sure.. but we don't need to use -webkit-overflow-scrolling
[18:26:10] <yuvipanda>	 we're not taking it out this release :P
[18:26:33] <jdlrobson>	 so yuvipanda what would make sense to look at in WLM ?
[18:26:39] <yuvipanda>	 and in genereal, i'd rather keep it in and work around any bugs :)
[18:27:30] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: search as you type for monuments?
[18:27:33] <jdlrobson>	 i could make WLM more usable..
[18:27:56] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: do you have anything in mind?
[18:27:57] <jdlrobson>	 as at the moment I'm just getting distracted by slow responses to clicking on a country when I browse by municipality
[18:28:03] <yuvipanda>	 *particular
[18:28:18] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: the server response takes a while
[18:28:25] <jdlrobson>	 yeh but we should load the overlay first
[18:28:30] <jdlrobson>	 to show something is happening
[18:28:40] <jdlrobson>	 let me play around with it - I think that would be a good entrance point for me to the code
[18:28:48] <yuvipanda>	 as i said, this is nowhere close to complete :)
[18:29:16] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: plus i raised that exact bit with linSmith and philinje y'day. i guess they'll get back to me in a bit
[18:31:03] <preilly>	 tfinc: http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/graph.php?r=hour&z=xlarge&c=Mobile+caches+eqiad&m=load_one&s=by+name&mc=2&g=network_report
[18:41:33] <tfinc>	 philinje: why do we have this listed twice https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/Release_history#Mobile_site_beta_features and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps#Releases ?
[18:41:44] <tfinc>	 delete one of them and put a link to the other
[18:43:12] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, what is a "history section"?
[18:44:37] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipand1: just sent you some stuff
[18:44:40] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: what's the context?
[18:44:54] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Dynamic_Sections
[18:45:07] <jdlrobson>	 oh it's just the name of a section on the article
[18:45:16] <jdlrobson>	 'History' heading in San Francisco article
[18:45:40] <jdlrobson>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:MobileFrontendSectionPage.png
[18:47:26] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/257
[18:49:45] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: about the console.logs?
[18:50:00] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: they're all completely useless - they might just as well be '1', '2', '3'
[18:50:06] <jdlrobson>	 ?
[18:50:30] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: ah, nevermind
[18:50:37] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: the empty space, not the console.log
[18:50:40] <yuvipand1>	 email diffs meh
[18:50:44] <MaxSem>	 heh, I was mislead by mixup of section numbers with section titles
[18:51:25] <jdlrobson>	 Yeh sorry MaxSem - feel free to edit to make that clearer :)
[18:52:05] <MaxSem>	 so, my concern is caching
[18:54:06] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, if there's a mostly-functional JS mockup - how hard would it be to make it production-ready?
[18:54:28] <jdlrobson>	 not hard at all...
[18:54:44] <jdlrobson>	 I'd suggest getting a way to access sections to start with
[18:55:18] <jdlrobson>	 then I can sort the javascript out and then we can make it so that pages by default only show the page summary and section headings
[18:55:43] <jdlrobson>	 If you can get the php working I can take over the branch and get it functional quite easily.. :D
[18:56:01] <MaxSem>	 can't we use the github solution - one full page load, then update with JS?
[18:56:40] <MaxSem>	 I think JS and PHP solutions don't have to depend on each other
[18:57:20] <jdlrobson>	 well they wouldn't.. the content would always be accessible without javascript - just separated into separate pages :)
[18:58:04] <jdlrobson>	 lets just experiment with a few things and see what works and what doesn't
[18:59:20] <MaxSem>	 well, I mean one doesn't have to be implemented for another to work
[18:59:45] <MaxSem>	 and we started from i18n essages!:P
[19:00:47] <jdlrobson>	 Never fear RL will take care of that for us... ;-)
[19:00:48] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: force pushed
[19:00:57] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: can you accept it so tfinc can build and set it off to the market?
[19:01:04] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: also see my comments about history being 'true' vs 'perfect'
[19:01:11] <jdlrobson>	 sure
[19:01:25] * jdlrobson  is impressed with his multi-tasking today - MFE, WLM and WikipediaMobile :D

[19:01:25] <yuvipand1>	 not the first time we're having this discussion, but I still think we shouldn't be rewriting history to make everything seem 'perfect' :)
[19:01:30] <yuvipand1>	 heh!
[19:01:35] <yuvipand1>	 must be the cactus hat's residual effects
[19:01:56] <jdlrobson>	 so yuvipand1 you still don't fancy separating image function?
[19:02:31] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, I'm tempted to try making RL core independent from jQuery
[19:02:46] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: that would be interesting
[19:03:10] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: no, it will be a simple 'copy paste' split
[19:03:20] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipand1 > https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile/pull/256#issuecomment-6463560
[19:03:22] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: it reduces no *actual* complexity
[19:03:45] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipand1: you know how anal I am with history ;-)
[19:03:55] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: wrong side of the anality :
[19:03:56] <yuvipand1>	 :P
[19:04:05] <jdlrobson>	 k I'll check this out and merge - I'm just testing whether images get saved right?
[19:04:16] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: yup
[19:04:19] <jdlrobson>	 best to test on ios or android?
[19:04:25] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: iOS. doesn't affect android
[19:04:49] <jdlrobson>	 k will check it out
[19:04:54] <jdlrobson>	 why you no like my headings :(
[19:05:24] <jdlrobson>	 at least cherry pick - dcceaf34
[19:07:53] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: hmm, I just checked how the GMail app does it. IT loads an empty page with a spinner
[19:08:02] <yuvipand1>	 I think that functionality should go inside showMonumentsList
[19:08:07] <yuvipand1>	 and not be hacked in externally
[19:08:22] <jdlrobson>	 you mean a callback?
[19:08:40] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: no no!
[19:08:53] <jdlrobson>	 no no?
[19:08:55] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: like showSpinner and hideSpinner
[19:09:11] <jdlrobson>	 yeh sure.. but you want to load the page for showMonumentsList
[19:09:12] <yuvipand1>	 hmmm
[19:09:18] <jdlrobson>	 and then populate it with results
[19:09:28] <yuvipand1>	 need to refactor it out then
[19:09:35] <yuvipand1>	 but for now, i'll cherry pick :)
[19:09:40] <jdlrobson>	 k
[19:09:46] <jdlrobson>	 in terms of headings -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zI3_pnUU3k
[19:09:52] <jdlrobson>	 ;-)
[19:10:13] <yuvipand1>	 haha!
[19:10:37] * yuvipand1  hands jdlrobson a pet iguana

[19:11:36] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipand1: done
[19:11:36] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] jdlrobson pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/fO1AHQ
[19:11:36] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Make sure all the images are loaded before saving pages - YuviPanda
[19:11:36] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Save images even if they are already cached - YuviPanda
[19:12:13] * jdlrobson  can't wait to get his mac sticker - http://img0-llalt.etsystatic.com/il_fullxfull.334294796.jpg

[19:15:15] <preilly>	 jdlrobson: oh that one is pretty cool
[19:17:29] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: cherry picked :)
[19:17:39] <jdlrobson>	 \o/
[19:17:59] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: anything else with #257?
[19:18:17] <jdlrobson>	 257 is merged
[19:18:23] <yuvipand1>	 ah
[19:18:25] <yuvipand1>	 i can't read
[19:18:28] <yuvipand1>	 and am an idiot
[19:19:25] <yuvipand1>	 tfinc: you can pull from master  now
[19:19:32] <tfinc>	 in a meeting now
[19:19:43] <yuvipand1>	 tfinc: okay, poke me when you build
[19:19:51] * yuvipand1  goes to do map stuff on WLM

[19:19:57] <tfinc>	 i'll be out of this around 1
[19:33:59] * jdlrobson  = lunch

[19:54:20] <tfinc>	 preilly: hows our mobile cache hit rate now?
[19:59:09] <preilly>	 tfinc: it's looks good based on my testing
[19:59:18] <preilly>	 tfinc: I'm still not 100% sure what graph to use
[20:01:57] <tfinc>	 preilly: whats our hit rate now ?
[20:05:44] <tfinc>	 preilly: http://dolphin-browser.com/2012/06/dolphin-launch-event/
[20:06:03] * preilly  *clicking*

[20:06:46] <preilly>	 tfinc: seems legit
[20:07:32] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: interested in coming? … see my link above
[20:08:34] <preilly>	 tfinc: I'll go
[20:08:55] <tfinc>	 preilly: k
[20:14:44] <tfinc>	 philinje: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Wikipedia_navigation needs an update
[20:14:52] <tfinc>	 preilly: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Improved_Mobile_Device_Detection needs an update
[20:16:26] <tfinc>	 philinje: how many pages have we seen be created from our village pump postings ?
[20:16:39] <tfinc>	 s/pages/main pages
[20:17:33] <preilly>	 tfinc: updated
[20:17:48] <jivadent>	 hi everyone, I have a question: is there a version of this app that can access non-Wikipedia instances of MediaWiki? Or is there an instruction set somewhere on how to modify the code to do that?
[20:18:04] <yuvipand1>	 hey jivadent
[20:18:26] <yuvipand1>	 jivadent: it should be relatively simple to fork https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile to make it access non-wikipedia instances of mediawiki
[20:18:38] <yuvipand1>	 we've tried to make sure the code stays as wikipedia-agnostic as possible
[20:18:46] <yuvipand1>	 there is no tutorial as such, however
[20:19:40] <jivadent>	 so would I just go through and change all references from Wikipedia to my wiki with some basic search/replace (and some judgement, of course)
[20:20:01] <jivadent>	 or is there more to it?
[20:20:07] <yuvipand1>	 jivadent: nope, that's pretty much it
[20:20:18] <jivadent>	 ok, awesome, thanks!
[20:20:30] <yuvipand1>	 jivadent: modifying app.js' baseUrlForLanguage method should actually get you all the functionality
[20:20:42] <yuvipand1>	 jivadent: from then on it is just modifying the text (in the messages/ folder) and the styles
[20:20:47] <yuvipand1>	 (if you want to, that is)
[20:20:55] <preilly>	 yuvipand1: we should probably make the base url configurable if it isn't already
[20:21:03] <yuvipand1>	 preilly: yup, it is configurable
[20:21:06] <preilly>	 sweet
[20:21:23] <yuvipand1>	 		return window.PROTOCOL + '://' + lang + '.' + PROJECTNAME + '.org';
[20:21:40] <yuvipand1>	 is what it is right now, and can be easily modified
[20:23:16] <jivadent>	 cool, well then I'll download the code and get cracking. Thanks again!
[20:23:38] <yuvipand1>	 jivadent: :) feel free to poke me with questions
[20:24:22] <jivadent>	 will do :)
[20:25:55] <tfinc>	 philinje: did you see my comment about the release history on mw.org ?
[20:26:52] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipand1: that does restrict to urls which have subdomains and are org based though e.g. i couldn't have http://jonrobson.me.uk/mediawiki could I ?
[20:27:43] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: not really
[20:27:59] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: you can replace that entire line with
[20:28:06] <yuvipand1>	 return 'http://jonrobson.me.uk/mediawiki'
[20:28:14] <jdlrobson>	 yeh but that's sucky :P
[20:28:19] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: how so?
[20:28:56] <jdlrobson>	 I just don't believe people should have to resort to editing code - it should be a case of editing a config file
[20:29:02] <jdlrobson>	 a bit like translations
[20:29:23] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: sure, if you want to have jonrobson.me.uk use the wikipedia logo on the search bar, the about button....
[20:29:45] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: if you're making an app for your wiki, I think it is reasonable to expect you to do this
[20:29:53] <yuvipand1>	 jdlrobson: plus, that bit of code *is* configuration.
[20:30:01] <yuvipand1>	 of course, it should be documented :)
[20:32:15] * yuvipand1  pokes tfinc about app store

[20:33:33] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: oh yes
[20:33:42] <tfinc>	 let me finish rolling through our project pages and then i'll switch to that
[20:33:49] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: okay!
[20:34:11] <tfinc>	 preilly: MaxSem http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_support_in_MediaWiki_core needs an update
[20:46:54] <tfinc>	 preilly: MaxSem  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GeoData_Storage_%26_API needs an update
[20:47:13] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: all right.what would you like me to do with the app
[20:48:22] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i'm caught up to 991d6ce1ce1d2f6e305a2daa87ceaeee29062851
[20:50:48] <MaxSem>	 updated geodata, not much work on migration from me since the last update
[20:50:54] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: k
[20:54:16] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: build it, see if you get older saved pages in new version, if about page scrolls, and then push to iTunes connect
[20:54:48] <philinje>	 tfinc: yes, behind on status updates, will do
[20:55:36] <philinje>	 tfinc: is there a way to scan project home pages easily? I can check the top 10 languages manually
[20:56:04] <tfinc>	 philinje: yes, i/you can easily run the script that i wrote across all projects
[20:56:15] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: about page scrolls just fine
[20:56:32] <tfinc>	 i'll have to checkout out 3.1.2 .. save images .. then build 3.2 to test the second
[20:56:40] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: you can use the simulator for upgrade testing, no longer need to do the iTunes dance
[20:57:01] <philinje>	 tfinc: ok, show me how
[20:57:19] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: thats what i did yesterday. it was nice to see the upgrade message
[20:57:27] <philinje>	 tfinc: where is the comment on release history - or do you mean from a long time ago?
[20:58:03] <tfinc>	 tfinc: philinje: why do we have this listed twice https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/Release_history#Mobile_site_beta_features and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps#Releases ? 11:41AM
[20:58:22] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: :)
[20:58:37] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i remember you being surprised that i could do it yesterday
[20:59:10] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yes, because it didn't work last time. But i realized that that was because last time we were upgrading from the *older* Wikipedia Mobile *native* iOS app
[20:59:15] <philinje>	 tfinc: i suggest keeping it all on Mobile/Release_history
[20:59:30] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: which was not the case here. I remembered that simulator won't work, but had forgotten the reason
[21:01:05] <tfinc>	 philinje: can you look into https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37757
[21:01:32] <tfinc>	 philinje: then move it. lets only have one list
[21:02:01] <tfinc>	 you created https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/Release_history#Mobile_site_beta_features so lets remove any duplicate data elsewhere
[21:02:31] <tfinc>	 philinje: that way yuvipanda has only one list to udpate
[21:02:38] <philinje>	 tfinc: ok, will delete the app release history on the apps project page
[21:02:51] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i told philinje that i wanted to do a showcase of the app with elka next week
[21:03:03] <philinje>	 and re-direct the page on meta for the beta site
[21:03:03] <tfinc>	 i wanted to do it while you were still officially around
[21:03:16] <yuvipanda>	 ah, sweet. tfinc do you have a date?
[21:03:23] <tfinc>	 philinje is setting it up
[21:03:45] <yuvipanda>	 cool. I've maps working, just cleaning up a bit now.
[21:03:53] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: any idea when linSmith will be able to respond?
[21:03:57] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: plan for early next week
[21:05:37] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: okay. I'll plan for a beta1 by early next week
[21:05:44] <yuvipanda>	 *public beta
[21:06:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10452
[21:06:36] <tfinc>	 philinje: info about the script is here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_default_for_sibling_projects#Projects_with_configured_mobile_main_pages
[21:06:55] <philinje>	 ok
[21:07:28] <tfinc>	 philinje:  by default it'll write out a wiki table but i find the --debug option better e.g. ../check_wiki_main_page.py --debug
[21:07:36] <tfinc>	 philinje: i'll send you the output once its done running
[21:08:02] <tfinc>	 actually .. why don't i just update the wiki page
[21:09:23] <philinje>	 ok thanks
[21:09:47] <philinje>	 responded to the bug - the person was confused about mp selectors
[21:11:13] <tfinc>	 http://fa.m.wikipedia.org/ looks great now
[21:13:11] <philinje>	 tfinc: wow, that was fast!
[21:13:35] <philinje>	 tfinc: did you change the selectors back to mp?
[21:13:48] <tfinc>	 i didn't change anything
[21:13:50] <tfinc>	 i've never touched it
[21:13:55] <philinje>	 really
[21:15:16] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: https://twitter.com/nodejitsu/status/215553012989566977
[21:15:26] <jdlrobson>	 \o/
[21:15:39] <tfinc>	 err .. nm
[21:15:53] <tfinc>	 that one is in brooklyn
[21:18:32] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: simulator upgrade was a success!
[21:18:46] <philinje>	 mobile homepage instructions in 11 languages other than Eng
[21:18:58] <tfinc>	 now time to go downstairs and test on device
[21:19:19] <tfinc>	 philinje: the exhaustive script is still running. did we get any more main pages from our top 10 ?
[21:19:32] <philinje>	 haven't checked yet
[21:19:45] <tfinc>	 please do
[21:19:56] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: awesome!
[21:22:27] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipanda: question about WLM api
[21:22:50] <jdlrobson>	 currently getForCountry gets all monuments in a country right?
[21:22:58] <jdlrobson>	 or does it get a subset?
[21:23:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "mobileview: option to skip mobile-specific transformations" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12270
[21:24:57] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: i think it gets them all
[21:25:03] <yuvipanda>	 i'm unsure
[21:25:22] <jdlrobson>	 ok but basically the search thingy needs to do something like http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=search&srname=%burge%&srcountry=be-vlg
[21:25:31] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: yup!
[21:25:34] <jdlrobson>	 k
[21:25:38] <jdlrobson>	 I'll get that knocked up
[21:25:51] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: sweet!
[21:28:10] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipanda: also do we want to use double quotes or single quotes in html ?
[21:28:14] <jdlrobson>	 index.html mixes and matches
[21:28:52] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: mmmm, do you have a preference?
[21:29:04] <yuvipanda>	 I don't, and I think that's the cause of the problem :P
[21:29:13] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: my iphone4s still doesn't show the upgrade message :(
[21:29:17] <tfinc>	 i wonder what i'm doing wrong
[21:29:25] <tfinc>	 it works perfectly in the simulator
[21:29:29] <jdlrobson>	 mm I've always thought that one should use double quotes in html
[21:29:29] <jdlrobson>	 just a preference
[21:29:35] <tfinc>	 i did both as straight xcode->phone builds
[21:29:52] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: and via iTunes?
[21:30:02] <yuvipanda>	 as in, both ipa's via iTunes?
[21:30:09] <tfinc>	 no, just run->build
[21:30:16] <tfinc>	 i'll do ipa's next
[21:30:19] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: try doing the iTunes path?
[21:30:19] <yuvipanda>	 ok
[21:33:42] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, no %foo% please
[21:34:12] <jdlrobson>	 foo% ok?
[21:34:26] <MaxSem>	 I hope to deploy fixes that allow fulltext search with ~+foo*
[21:35:08] <MaxSem>	 soonish
[21:35:42] <jdlrobson>	 so http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=search&srname=%25burge%25&srcountry=be-vlg ?
[21:35:56] <jdlrobson>	 argg it's reformatted what I wrote
[21:36:22] <jdlrobson>	 http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=search&srname=~+burge*&srcountry=be-vlg
[21:37:34] <MaxSem>	 +should be percent-encoded
[21:38:55] <MaxSem>	 lol, even srname=foo* should be a disaster because it has no appropriate index
[21:39:07] <MaxSem>	 should be fixed, /me guesses
[21:40:17] <MaxSem>	 fixed
[21:40:38] <MaxSem>	 damn, I missed multichill
[21:40:59] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: any luck?
[21:41:03] <yuvipanda>	 MaxSem: poke Platonides instead?
[21:42:50] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: not yet. 3.1.2 is crashing on startup making me think that i built something wrong
[21:43:24] <yuvipanda>	 heh, okay!
[21:43:38] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: how much longer are you up for?
[21:43:38] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: uninstall it and resinstall again?
[21:43:42] <yuvipanda>	 #turnitonandoff
[21:43:57] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: reasonably sleepy, but I can be on for another half hour?
[21:46:21] <tfinc>	 k
[21:50:35] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: same result. no upgrade message and no saved pages. we need to get someone else to verify this on device
[21:51:07] <tfinc>	 even if its just someone running through the same steps on this very same device
[21:51:30] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: do you have a 10-15min to blow on testing this on device ?
[21:51:42] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i did verify this on both my iPod touch and my iPhone 3G
[21:51:51] <yuvipanda>	 it is strange you aren't getting it :|
[21:51:58] <jdlrobson>	 what's going down?
[21:52:02] <jdlrobson>	 yeh I can spare 15 minutes
[21:52:41] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: note that it is documented at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Pre_launch_checklist#On_iOS
[21:56:00] <tfinc>	 yeah thats whats killing me. i'd love someone else to test and say that it works and i'll just assume i'm doing something wrong
[21:56:07] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: jdlrobson is testing on the same device now
[21:56:24] <jdlrobson>	 not quite... 'Code Sign error: The identity 'iPhone Developer' doesn't match any valid certificate/private key pair in the default keychain'
[21:58:30] <yuvipanda>	 aaah, that dance.
[21:59:59] <tfinc>	 of course i can't actually get to http://developer.apple.com/
[22:00:06] <tfinc>	 ok .. finally works
[22:00:34] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: developer.apple.com or the migration?
[22:00:44] <tfinc>	 dev.apple
[22:00:50] <yuvipanda>	 heh
[22:01:07] <jdlrobson>	 it was down earlier too :(
[22:01:35] <MaxSem>	 Platonides, around?
[22:10:25] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i found a way to add you to iTunes connect
[22:10:31] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: woot!
[22:10:32] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: what's your apple id ?
[22:10:41] <yuvipanda>	 yuvipanda@gmail.com
[22:11:04] <jdlrobson>	 tfinc: i'm in
[22:11:38] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: check your gmail
[22:12:19] <philinje>	 tfinc: can you add me? philinje@gmail
[22:13:04] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i'm in!
[22:13:04] <yuvipanda>	 sweet
[22:13:17] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: it shows 3.2 ver of the app in 'orange'. Did you upload a new one today?
[22:13:32] <yuvipanda>	 ah
[22:13:34] <yuvipanda>	 'waiting for upload'
[22:13:35] <yuvipanda>	 ok
[22:13:36] <yuvipanda>	 nevermind
[22:14:20] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: in iTunes connect you stage the app meta data first
[22:14:22] <tfinc>	 then you validate
[22:14:24] <tfinc>	 then you submit
[22:14:36] <tfinc>	 you can't validate unless there is a meta data stub
[22:15:05] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: so once you download our distro key you can upload it without needing my help :D
[22:15:25] * tfinc  automates himself out of a job!

[22:16:07] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: sweet! :D
[22:16:21] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: but i guess you'll do it this time - since you're waiting on validating that the 'migration' works
[22:16:26] <tfinc>	 sure
[22:16:42] * tfinc  would love nothing more then to get this release out

[22:18:42] <tfinc>	 philinje: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Redirects
[22:21:08] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: what do you see when you go to "Certificates" ?
[22:21:27] <yuvipanda>	 sweet, WLM now switches between map view and list view seamlessly!
[22:21:33] <tfinc>	 woot!
[22:22:31] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: i've mostly 'fixed' geo, and pushed everything to wikimedia/WLMMobile - so let's keep things there instead of at mine! Do look at the commits when you've time.
[22:22:41] <jdlrobson>	 \o/
[22:22:50] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: and I had to back out the showMonumentsList([]) because it was messing with the way I implemented map toggling :P
[22:22:55] <jdlrobson>	 k
[22:23:02] <jdlrobson>	 I'm sure I'll run into some merge conflicts soon then ;-)
[22:23:16] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: yes, rebase often :)
[22:23:41] <yuvipanda>	 i think nearby works, but I don't actually have any monuments in the database to confirm :(
[22:23:50] <yuvipanda>	 *near me
[22:24:21] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: jdlrobson i think i'll head to sleep. Feel free to push it to iTunes store once you're comfortable with it. I got upgrade messages with both my devices, so a +1 from me
[22:28:01] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: since you're working on search, I'll work on saving the login bits / map view/nearby-polishing  tomorrow
[22:28:17] <tfinc>	 well that was a fun fire drill
[22:28:20] <yuvipanda>	 pchang: and it would be awesome if you could get linSmith to send me the colors + assets before end of the week :)
[22:28:25] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: k
[22:28:31] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i'll make sure you get those
[22:28:41] * yuvipanda  is reminded of the woman who died during a fire drill when climbing down a ladder

[22:28:49] <yuvipanda>	 with high heels on
[22:28:50] <tfinc>	 go to bed yuvipanda
[22:29:05] <yuvipanda>	 (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/article2928786.ece)
[22:29:11] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: that is indeed a good idea! :)
[22:29:12] * yuvipanda  goes

[22:29:14] <yuvipanda>	 gnite everyone
[22:54:25] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: lets get preilly to test it instead. it'll go faster since he has the dev env setup
[22:54:53] <preilly>	 tfinc: what am I testing?
[22:55:28] <tfinc>	 build Wikipedia iOS 3.1.2. save a couple of pages. upgrade to Wikipedia iOS 3.2 (master) … see if those pages are upgraded and available
[22:55:35] <tfinc>	 it worked for yuvi. it didn't work for me
[22:56:18] <tfinc>	 i tried both 1) Xcode run->built 2) Xcode ipa->iTunes
[23:02:04] <tfinc>	 philinje: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_default_for_sibling_projects#Projects_with_configured_mobile_main_pages is up to date now
[23:04:00] <philinje>	 cool
[23:24:51] <preilly>	 tfinc: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37761
[23:26:53] <tfinc>	 preilly: thanks
[23:28:16] <preilly>	 tfinc: np
[23:43:26] <preilly>	 tfinc: http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/graph_all_periods.php?c=Mobile%20caches%20eqiad&h=cp1044.wikimedia.org&v=606693611&m=cache_hit&r=week&z=small&jr=&js=&st=1340235746&vl=N&ti=Cache%20hits&z=large
[23:43:43] <tfinc>	 cp1044.wikimedia.org  ?
[23:44:23] <tfinc>	 i'm assuming this is varnish as the cache hits changed
[23:46:07] <preilly>	 tfinc: yeah