[14:14:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "fix broken settings test" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13886
[16:58:37] <tfinc>	 greetings all
[16:58:40] <tfinc>	 hangout is up https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/03e4e494f1829de7f1c64e41c911b055af89b867?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:58:49] <preilly>	 tfinc: I'll need a few minutes
[16:59:01] <preilly>	 tfinc: I'm still launching Orange Niger
[16:59:06] <tfinc>	 preilly: k
[17:01:40] <MaxSem>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLM-on-cluster
[17:02:04] <mutante>	 preilly: you need that merge now?
[17:02:08] <mutante>	 i think i can
[17:06:05] <preilly>	 mutante: yes
[17:08:28] <mutante>	 done
[17:21:05] <jrobson>	 yuvipanda: something weird is going on when I try and fetch your master.. gives me 7d3d8ebf4b4d317d0dc93e8d720b7310339cc7c5 as last commit. Can you try submitting a branch instead?
[17:22:30] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: okay
[17:22:36] <jrobson>	 thanks.. really strange!
[17:22:39] <jrobson>	 how was your first day?\
[17:23:15] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: surprisingly average!
[17:23:26] <jrobson>	 as in better than you expected? :)
[17:23:40] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: as in not as awfully bad as I expected
[17:24:38] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: slept through 3 of the 7 hours, 3 more hours spent helping people with 'no, that is a d on the commandline, not a b' 'that is the pipe symbol, not an l' 'the pipe symbol goes before the word grep, not after' 'yes, every time'
[17:24:52] <yuvipanda>	 and one hour of being told 'you will need to bring your parents if you take leave for moe than 3 days a semester'
[17:25:06] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: try yuvipanda/monster-pull-req
[17:25:11] <yuvipanda>	 *more
[17:25:32] <jrobson>	 fetch is returning nothing..
[17:25:58] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: try killing your local branch?
[17:26:26] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: try doign checkout of 895d75d78f667bf5a512f3e374ab3c22f09c2410
[17:26:57] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: Wikipedia 3.2 is still under store review
[17:27:03] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: 7 day reviews my ass
[17:27:48] <jrobson>	 got it
[17:27:49] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: :(
[17:27:50] <jrobson>	 cheers
[17:30:52] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, I've collected some format=json stats. at least the fear that there might be something other than the old iPhone app appears not to come true
[17:31:07] <MaxSem>	 the question is: how old it is?
[17:31:39] <preilly>	 MaxSem: how old is what?
[17:31:56] <MaxSem>	 the app version that uses it
[17:32:23] <preilly>	 MaxSem: well you can look on Github and find it
[17:33:55] <MaxSem>	 and is it the direct predecessor of our current app (=can people upgrade it with a single click)?
[17:35:35] <yuvipanda>	 MaxSem: not on iOS 3.x
[17:35:39] <tfinc>	 preilly: MaxSem: jrobson I need one of you guys to respond to Amir's mail subject:failing MobileFrontend JavaScript tests
[17:35:50] <jrobson>	 tfinc: already done
[17:35:55] <jrobson>	 I'm having a private conversation with him now
[17:36:09] <jrobson>	 Is he a developer? I'm hoping I can get him to contribute..
[17:41:18] <MaxSem>	 jrobson, lol - he's a localisation team staffer
[17:42:01] <jrobson>	 ah ok. Well I can fix it on his behalf - It sounds like his Firefox has slightly different behavior which suggests a bug that Firefox Mobile probably has
[17:42:38] <tfinc>	 jrobson: amir works for us. he's on the internationalization and localization team
[17:46:58] <tfinc>	 this is the exact kind of review i was looking for to justify saying we should a) build an api b) switch to it
[17:47:02] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: --^
[17:47:38] <brion>	 \o/ apis for everyone
[17:48:05] <MaxSem>	 yeah. there are a few IOS 3 views though
[17:48:45] <brion>	 iOS 3: the windows 98 of ios
[17:48:51] <tfinc>	 lolz
[17:48:57] <brion>	 why won't you dieeeee
[17:49:55] <MaxSem>	 what's XP then? IOS 4 that will nevar die?
[17:49:58] <yuvipanda>	  jrobson is that all the comments on the monster-req?
[17:50:15] <yuvipanda>	 brion: you were erroring out on dynamic sections because of lack of submodule update. Should've put that in the pull req
[17:50:23] <brion>	 d'oh
[17:51:20] <brion>	 ah crap i gotta reinstall macports. i did a reinstall after fiddling with partitions and failing to get linux installed properly
[17:51:50] <brion>	 oh whew, macports is still there. but i lost half of Xcode. wtf?
[17:52:12] <yuvipanda>	 OS X, it works when it does, but then it doesn't, and it doesn't
[17:52:28] <brion>	 yyye[
[17:52:30] <brion>	 *p
[17:53:16] * brion  reinstalls little things like git and gcc

[17:53:47] * yuvipanda  envies brion for not having to find things to do for an hour while those things download

[17:54:06] <brion>	 i've got my old macbook air running ubuntu now, but i keep wanting a dual-boot on the retina macbook to play with high-res x11. (the mac x11 server runs in low-res grr!)
[17:54:38] <yuvipanda>	 brion: you didn't suffer any shark attacks while setting ubuntu on the macbook air?
[17:55:38] <brion>	 nope, goes pretty smooth. trackpad's a little flaky and it takes longer to reconnect to wifi when waking from sleep though
[17:57:00] <brion>	 the restore didn't reinstall java? one more thing yay
[17:57:49] <brion>	 the main problem i have with dual-booting is that i like to use file vault, but it won't let you partition your drive after you've set up the encryption
[17:58:01] <brion>	 and it won't let you reencrypt your drive after you've fiddled with the partitions
[17:58:04] <brion>	 THANKS MACOSX
[17:58:17] <brion>	 that's where i usually give up and go back to virtualization
[17:58:42] <brion>	 excellent… with my glasses off i can't even tell that eclipse runs in low resolution
[17:58:47] * yuvipanda  should get his Desktop back soon. Linux woohoo!

[17:59:29] <brion>	 if one of those ubuntu-themed companies like system76 made a good ultra book, i'd probably get one instead of shoehorning linux onto the air
[18:00:06] <brion>	 now to find my phone and cable
[18:01:10] <MaxSem>	 brion, get a windows ultrabook and format C:?
[18:02:29] <brion>	 i want, in theory, to support those linux-friendly manufacturers
[18:02:34] <brion>	 and to make sure that drivers actually work ;)
[18:03:08] <brion>	 apple is a lovely combination of "i want to support you because you make awesome beautiful products i like to use" and "what the hell is wrong with you people and your crazy patent crusades"
[18:03:28] <MaxSem>	 justifications, justifications:)
[18:04:49] <brion>	 :)
[18:05:32] <tfinc>	 jrobson: brion: checkout this mobile preview gadget that a volunteer wrote
[18:05:34] <tfinc>	 https://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-MobileView/Documentation
[18:05:48] <MaxSem>	 I actually decided not to buy myself an ultrabook, instead opting for a lightest 15 inch laptop on the market so that it satisfies both my back and eyes
[18:06:03] <brion>	 tfinc: niiiiice
[18:06:49] <jrobson>	 yuvipanda: I can just merge your stuff If you prefer and you can make the fixes in a separate pull request - but yes done with reviewing the monster pull request
[18:07:08] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: +1 to that. I think that's grown too big.
[18:07:13] <tfinc>	 a tool like this would be huge for editors as it would give them a live preview of what their content looks like
[18:07:32] <tfinc>	 and they would realize that they need new strategies so really wide content
[18:08:11] <brion>	 yep
[18:08:14] <brion>	 i approve sir
[18:08:52] <MaxSem>	 let's steal it?
[18:09:07] <brion>	 let's yes!
[18:11:12] <jrobson>	 yuvipanda: will merge asap
[18:11:14] <brion>	 jrobson: on the styles front; i'm still not convinced on disabling inline styles but i am definitely in favor of a better way to do per-page (and per-template) <style> bits. that lets folks define classes in templates without cluttering global styles and allows use of media queries
[18:11:26] <brion>	 my main worry on that front is the 31-style limit on IE :PPPPP
[18:11:33] <brion>	 i.e. has to ruin everything ;)
[18:11:56] <jrobson>	 brion: that's what I want to get to :-) - I want a better way which doesn't involve inline styles
[18:12:07] <brion>	 eeeexcellent
[18:12:07] <jrobson>	 Disabling them is the catalyst in my eyes
[18:12:11] <jrobson>	 (inline styleS)
[18:12:21] <jrobson>	 as it motivates people to redefine them (well I'd hope)
[18:12:47] <jrobson>	 Personally I'd like stylesheets per templates
[18:12:56] <brion>	 *nod*
[18:12:59] <jrobson>	 that seems like the best place for them if we are going to give power to the people
[18:13:06] <brion>	 :)
[18:13:14] <jrobson>	 If we allow stylesheets per page that seems like recreating the same problem as now
[18:13:30] <jrobson>	 I'd worry about cargo cult programming
[18:14:23] <jrobson>	 I am not best equipped to implement stylesheets per template but it's the right way™
[18:14:45] <jrobson>	 tfinc: that looks cool - is that a mobile preview gadget?
[18:14:46] <MaxSem>	 IE users should get for ( x in document.write ) document.write(); ;)
[18:15:06] <brion>	 yeah, as long as we don't need @import that's probably fine
[18:16:13] <brion>	 ah, if i crank the display up to virtual 1920x1200 eclipse looks much less pixely, and i have room to see irc. yay! course now i need my glasses on
[18:16:52] <tfinc>	 jrobson: correct. i'm trying to get it to work for me
[18:17:34] <brion>	 ok, now to check out the outstanding pull reqs
[18:19:53] <tfinc>	 sadly i can't get it work in chrome for me
[18:21:13] <brion>	 yuvipanda: niiiice, dynamic sections seems to work now
[18:21:45] <yuvipanda>	 brion: :D
[18:22:32] <yuvipanda>	 brion: might not be too much of a difference on fast wifi though (speed-wise)
[18:22:39] <brion>	 still feels slick
[18:22:43] <brion>	 lemme switch to slow 3g
[18:23:13] <yuvipanda>	 hehe 3G is 'slow' heh :)
[18:23:24] * yuvipanda  should test on GPRS soon

[18:23:32] <brion>	 heh
[18:24:43] <jrobson>	 yuvipanda: can the app not be rotated?
[18:24:48] <jrobson>	 (on ios)
[18:24:53] * jrobson  too lazy to check

[18:24:56] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: it can be
[18:25:14] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: there was a bug causing scaling of some sort in the older version of the app. Fixed in 3.2
[18:25:16] <jrobson>	 We got some feedback from an iPod touch user saying they can't rotate the app and it makes it unreadable on their small screen
[18:25:30] <brion>	 my 3g reception is too bad at home, i can't get through :P
[18:25:41] <jrobson>	 translation of original German message is : "I find it disturbing, very disturbing, not to say that Wikipedia is not mobile in the horizontal position of the iPod can read, but solely and only in the vertical position"
[18:26:08] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: hmm, I guess that's the scaling bug causing too little text to be displayed?
[18:26:18] <jrobson>	 Is there a bug open?
[18:26:24] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: fixed in 3.2, which has been in review for about 2 weeks now?
[18:26:49] <yuvipanda>	 not 2 weeks, but close.
[18:26:54] <jrobson>	 :)
[18:27:20] <yuvipanda>	 brion: :) Once merged I'll push out a beta to google play.
[18:27:39] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: its been in review for too long. i'm going to contact apple today and get them to do some real work
[18:28:06] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: sweeet! Poke them with a banana!
[18:28:17] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: you've been busy on WLM bugs
[18:28:19] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 11 new commits to master: http://git.io/6IjghA
[18:28:20] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Load only lead and references section by default - YuviPanda
[18:28:20] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Make a second asynchronous request that fetches rest of sections - YuviPanda
[18:28:20] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile/master] Make getSectionHtml async (and everything that uses it async) - YuviPanda
[18:28:21] <tfinc>	 school must be light
[18:28:44] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #356: SUCCESS in 16 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/356/
[18:28:44] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[18:28:45] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[18:28:45] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Fix reference display not dismissing when user taps outside it
[18:28:46] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: well, I try to make it to the 'top 5 bug cloesers list' on the reporter every week :P
[18:28:46] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Fix scrolling in search results, history and lang links on iOS4.x
[18:28:46] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Disable Animation for Reference Reveal
[18:28:47] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: No transitions when toggling
[18:28:47] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Hide citation backlinks
[18:28:48] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Update title to include redirects when retrieving pages
[18:28:48] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: app.navigateToPage now navigates to page in correct language
[18:28:49] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Remove special casing for tapping on images
[18:28:49] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Base directionality of page content on page's language
[18:28:50] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Special case Main Page naming
[18:28:50] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Handle both error conditions that can result from mobileview API
[18:28:51] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Show error page when retrieving page data
[18:28:51] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Handle network failures during searching properly
[18:28:52] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Removed extranous console.logs
[18:28:52] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Nofiy user when attempting to get langlinks without network
[18:28:55] <yuvipanda>	 wooooh! Working nightlies!
[18:29:00] <brion>	 whee
[18:29:03] <preilly>	 whee
[18:29:04] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * brion: win8: basic offline detection
[18:29:04] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * brion: win8: adjust padding in snapped view
[18:29:05] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * brion: Stub promotional images for win8 store
[18:29:05] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Perform migration for outdated saved pages on app launch
[18:29:06] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: URLEncode the title when it is part of the API Url
[18:29:06] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Added an option to suppress success message on page save
[18:29:07] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Hide migration overlay only after main page has loaded
[18:29:07] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Handle failure of updating saved pages on startup
[18:29:08] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Made iOS toolbar disabled css rule more specific
[18:29:08] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Disable unupgraded saved pages in the display
[18:29:09] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Don't migrate saved pages that were saved with a 1.2 beta
[18:29:09] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Ask the user for confirmation before upgrading
[18:29:10] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Do not flash the Update Saved Pages overlay on startup everytime
[18:29:10] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Explicitly request text of the page's sections in API
[18:29:11] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Bumped version numbers and updated changelog
[18:29:11] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * brion: win8: disable pin/unpin on non-articles to avoid crash
[18:29:12] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * brion: win8: fix order of operations on startup
[18:29:12] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * brion: win8: avoid scroll problem when switching to snapped
[18:29:14] <Danny_B|backup>	 this connect-spam-disconnect behavior of wikipedia-github is very impractical
[18:29:24] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Simplify makeAPIRequest signature, remove unused method param
[18:29:24] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Make language link requests cancellable
[18:29:25] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Parse the text from the API by default into JSON
[18:29:25] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Use a setter for curSpinningReq
[18:29:26] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Make search requests cancellable
[18:29:26] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * jdlrobson: Do not expose curSpinningReq
[18:29:27] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Updated CHANGELOG and bumped version numbers
[18:29:28] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Fix missing reference to hacks.css
[18:29:28] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Update CHANGELOG and bumped version numbers
[18:29:28] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: FIx duplicate insertion of 'android' platform detector class
[18:29:29] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[18:29:30] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Updated UA version number to be automatic.
[18:29:30] <brion>	 but it makes me feel loved every time it beeps my name
[18:29:30] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Bumped version number in UA for iOS
[18:29:30] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Fix race condition with migration prompt
[18:29:31] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Specify source when sending users to feedback page
[18:29:31] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Add source param for MobileFeedback
[18:29:32] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Fix scrolling issues with About page & search results
[18:29:32] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Make sure all the images are loaded before saving pages
[18:29:44] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Rename methods in page.js to be consistent
[18:29:45] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Rename 'fullPage' to 'isCompletePage'
[18:29:45] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Remove fromRawJSON, add deserializeFrom 'class' methods
[18:29:45] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * yuvipanda: Kill overlay on searchbar hiding the spinner on ICS
[18:29:46] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[18:30:23] <brion>	 is…. is it done?
[18:30:34] <yuvipanda>	 brion: yes
[18:30:37] <brion>	 \o/
[18:30:43] <yuvipanda>	 :D
[18:31:26] <yuvipanda>	 brion: thanks!
[18:31:44] <yuvipanda>	 brion: also, thoughts on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37891? You're the tablet guy :P
[18:31:58] * yuvipanda  writes email to mobile-l about it as well

[18:32:14] <brion>	 moment
[18:35:49] <brion>	 yuvipanda: i say yes on that one!
[18:36:28] <yuvipanda>	 brion: awesome! Let me code it up and push it so people can play with it and make comments instead of look at bug number and make comments :)
[18:36:31] <aharoni>	 jrobson: hi
[18:36:51] <yuvipanda>	 brion: the required API methods have been deployed for a week now (thanks to MaxSem) so should be an easy push :)
[18:37:07] <brion>	 excellent
[18:37:40] <jrobson>	 eek yuvipanda another feedback email reporting scrolling problems :-S
[18:37:42] <jrobson>	 hey aharoni
[18:38:15] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: I wish apple sped up and pushed our new version out already :( So I'd know if the app 'was' fucked up or 'is' fucked up
[18:38:25] <jrobson>	 yehh
[18:38:31] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: also, where do I subscribe for these feedback emails and why aren't they on mobile-feedback-l?
[18:38:32] <jrobson>	 we need to make friends in apple tfinc
[18:38:41] <jrobson>	 yuvipanda: you can ask philinje to add you
[18:38:45] <jrobson>	 it's a lot of spam though! :D
[18:39:00] <jrobson>	 I value the feedback over the spam though
[18:39:13] <jrobson>	 One iPhone user of the app ends "Good bye from a loyal believer and ex-user." :-(
[18:39:21] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: yeah, that's okay. I can handle the spam!
[18:39:30] <brion>	 *dramamaaaaa*
[18:39:31] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: well, that's about as bad as 'sucks dog balls'
[18:39:40] <yuvipanda>	 or worse, perhaps
[18:39:44] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: hold off on signing up for anything
[18:39:49] <tfinc>	 were about to ditch some of the old lists
[18:39:52] <brion>	 "how, precisely, does our app suck dog balls? we need to know so we may serve you better"
[18:39:55] <tfinc>	 philinje sent an email about it
[18:40:10] <philinje>	 yuvipanda: we are about to switch to a conventional mailing list, for now feedbacktest is an alias, if you want to be added let me know, but there is a lot of noise
[18:40:21] <yuvipanda>	 brion: IIRC, it was *I* who was supposed to suck dog balls, rather than the app (according to one iTunes review) :D
[18:40:25] <yuvipanda>	 brion: for the record, that is untrue.
[18:40:44] <jrobson>	 yuvipanda don't take it too personally :-)
[18:41:02] <jrobson>	 I've started to enjoy the abuse i've got over certain changes
[18:41:18] <jrobson>	 usually because the complainers seem to think that we are a large team of 100+ people
[18:41:40] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: am not. I think 'you are not your code' got internalized in my GNOME days (and with my very first rescued patch being ripped apart on SVN CR here :P)
[18:42:00] <yuvipanda>	 jrobson: of course we're about a large team of 100+ people. Have you filed your TPS reports with the cover yet?
[18:42:23] <aharoni>	 I'm running the tests about which I complained in the email on a laptop... I didn
[18:42:33] <aharoni>	 I didn't try them on a mobile browser.
[18:42:49] <aharoni>	 But it fails in both Chromium and Firefox.
[18:43:05] <aharoni>	 jrobson: ^
[18:43:34] <jrobson>	 mmm that's strange...
[18:43:58] <aharoni>	 Did you identify the test which I sent? I wasn't sure what is title is.
[18:44:16] <aharoni>	 opensearch something.
[18:44:21] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: just a reminder about June stats for the app and the required changes to meausre page views properly :)
[18:44:42] <philinje>	 thanks, Diederik is trying to figure out how to get that done
[18:44:56] <tfinc>	 preilly: MaxSem : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_support_in_MediaWiki_core still needs an update. If you guys haven't worked on it then just mention that this project is on hold
[18:45:02] <philinje>	 we went through all the analytics requests on Fridayt
[18:46:27] <brion>	 yuvipanda: anything else you want me to look over?
[18:47:32] <srikanthlogic>	 aharoni: all tests pass for me
[18:47:45] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, done
[18:47:57] <yuvipanda>	 brion: not right now, no. Am writing up the tablet switcher code now, shall pull req before I sleep.
[18:47:58] <jrobson>	 aharoni: just checking now
[18:48:05] <brion>	 excellent
[18:48:08] <jrobson>	 have you got open search extension installed.. that's my only thought..
[18:48:46] <jrobson>	 mm that doesn't seem to effect it
[18:48:57] <jrobson>	 aharoni: do you get a specific error?
[18:49:24] <jrobson>	 and you are definitely up to date with the codebase?
[18:50:49] <jrobson>	 err brion http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Deprecating_Inline_Styles got deleted?
[18:51:09] <brion>	 o_O
[18:51:39] <yuvipanda>	 'Med'?
[18:51:40] <jrobson>	 no reason given so mistake? or is this proper dissent? :-)
[18:51:57] <brion>	 restored
[18:52:05] * jrobson  very confused by that :D

[18:53:25] <philinje>	 yuvipanda: do you have time to update Release history?
[18:54:14] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: not today, tomorrow?
[18:54:31] <brion>	 i've temporarily blocked emufarmers
[18:54:32] <philinje>	 sure, not a rush - just adding notes in the notes column (very briefly)
[18:54:43] <yuvipanda>	 philinje: okay! :)
[18:54:47] <yuvipanda>	 brion: he's an mw.org admin?
[18:54:53] <brion>	 apparently
[18:55:02] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: thanks
[18:55:42] <tfinc>	 philinje: can  you throw in an udpate for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_Contact_US
[18:57:20] <yuvipanda>	 oooo mediawiki.org 500?
[18:57:33] <yuvipanda>	 just me?
[18:57:43] <brion>	 me too
[18:58:17] <yuvipanda>	 back up
[18:58:28] <aharoni>	 jrobson: http://dpaste.com/766516/
[18:58:46] <jrobson>	 aharoni: that's the patch I sent earlier..
[18:58:55] <preilly>	 We are going to do the deployment tomorrow at 3pm-4pm PDT
[18:59:01] <aharoni>	 let me try again...
[18:59:42] * yuvipanda  heads to sleep

[18:59:45] <yuvipanda>	 gnite everyone!
[18:59:52] <preilly>	 yuvipanda: good night
[19:03:00] <jrobson>	 night yuvipanda
[19:03:21] <aharoni>	 jrobson: huh? looks OK now.
[19:03:35] <jrobson>	 :-) something went wrong with the patch I guess then :)
[19:03:42] <jrobson>	 glad it's sorted aharoni
[19:03:51] <aharoni>	 ok then.
[19:06:21] <MaxSem>	 mmm, we've got haxx0rs! "whited00r iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3"
[19:13:00] * tfinc  ponders lunch

[19:14:45] <philinje>	 tfinc: Contact us page updated
[19:15:44] <tfinc>	 thanks
[19:18:31] <preilly>	 jrobson: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12901/  — Your change could not be merged due to a path conflict. Please merge (or rebase) the change locally and upload the resolution for review.
[19:19:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13185
[19:19:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13213
[19:20:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13333
[19:21:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13335
[19:21:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13419
[19:22:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13417
[19:23:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "hide address bar as soon as script loads" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12901
[19:23:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12979
[19:23:55] <preilly>	 jrobson: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12901/ — Your change could not be merged due to a path conflict. Please merge (or rebase) the change locally and upload the resolution for review.
[19:24:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13886
[19:26:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "hide address bar as soon as script loads" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12901
[19:26:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12901
[19:26:55] <preilly>	 jrobson: Wh00t — Change has been successfully merged into the git repository.
[19:27:01] <jrobson>	 \o/
[19:27:21] <preilly>	 jrobson: what's up with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/13102/ ?
[19:27:28] * jrobson  looks

[19:27:50] <jrobson>	 I can either abandon or leave open…  I was waiting for a reply
[19:28:08] <preilly>	 jrobson: okay what about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/10693/ ?
[19:28:19] <jrobson>	 I can abandon that
[19:28:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jdlrobson; "This was just an experimentation." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10693
[19:30:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: preilly; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9869
[19:30:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: preilly; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13102
[19:31:21] <thedj>	 he guys
[19:31:26] <preilly>	 wh00t — clear queue https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend,n,z
[19:31:29] <preilly>	 thedj: hey
[19:34:11] <thedj>	 has anyone been working on ideas on how to view wide tables ?
[19:34:59] <thedj>	 in terms of actually reading articles, that is one of my last major gripes to be honest.
[19:35:40] <preilly>	 thedj: I think jrobson was working on it...
[19:35:51] <preilly>	 jrobson: have you made on progress on that front?
[19:35:55] * jrobson  sympathizes with thedj

[19:35:56] <preilly>	 s/on/any
[19:36:19] <jrobson>	 thedj: that bothers me too…https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36936
[19:36:44] <jrobson>	 I was thinking the solution for browsers which don't support native scrolling it might be good to do what the Facebook app does with photos
[19:37:02] <thedj>	 and that is ?
[19:38:27] <brion>	 zoom them out?
[19:39:15] <thedj>	 I hate to steal from sophie, but i like how her app does it at least in terms of readability.
[19:39:51] <thedj>	 basically she replaces a table with "View table" and then opens another window with a wider canvas than screenwidth and layouts the table inside that.
[19:40:24] <thedj>	 because of the wide canvas you get the scrolling for free.
[19:40:30] <thedj>	 it's not perfect, but it works.
[19:43:13] <brion>	 nice
[19:43:29] <brion>	 that's roughly how i handle it in the windows 8 app
[19:44:06] <brion>	 mostly it works well, though it's annoying when a tiny table is actually some little layout thing that's just a box with a link to a portal :)
[19:44:29] <brion>	 woot, galaxy tab is actually charging. i was afraid it was dead!
[19:44:35] <brion>	 still doesn't have an ics update i bet
[19:45:30] <thedj>	 brion: yeah, you need some intelligence to make it really good. I think she only uses this feature on tables with 3 (4?)  or more columns for instance.
[19:45:50] <thedj>	 some checks like that make it work.
[19:47:02] <brion>	 clever
[19:47:15] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: thanks for the http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLM-on-cluster writeup. "Up to 25% of it changed every day"  is huge. How will our weekly sync keep up with this?
[19:47:46] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, weekly?
[19:48:04] <MaxSem>	 I was hoping to update it daily
[19:48:21] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: last week we were proposing weekly. this shows us that we need dailys
[19:48:31] <tfinc>	 doing dailys manually is prone to error
[19:48:35] <tfinc>	 so we need to automate
[19:48:41] <tfinc>	 but if we automate why not just make it a slave ?
[19:48:50] <MaxSem>	 I said that even weekly might do if we do it manually
[19:49:00] <MaxSem>	 but more of=ten is definitely better
[19:49:13] <tfinc>	 id prefer to be as hands off as possible for these updates
[19:49:20] <MaxSem>	 yeah
[19:49:50] <MaxSem>	 preilly and brion, any thoughts about replication from TS (see my mobile-tech email)?
[19:51:25] <brion>	 ?
[19:52:13] <brion>	 i don't think i have this mail
[19:53:49] <tfinc>	 brion: would you like to be on the mobile-tech email list? it my dept list for staff. i'm happy to add you
[19:54:19] <brion>	 nah, just point me at archives if you got em
[19:54:33] <MaxSem>	 they're zomgsecret
[19:54:35] <brion>	 hehe
[19:55:10] <tfinc>	 brion: https://groups.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forum/#!topic/mobile-tech/vjDw-O6cKBM
[19:55:25] <brion>	 You do not have permission to access this group. (#418)
[19:56:07] <MaxSem>	 brion, synced with http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLM-on-cluster
[19:57:43] <brion>	 tx
[20:01:02] <brion>	 MaxSem: i would recommend avoiding myisam on cluster; i'd also be a bit worried about replication from ts -> core if it's on a machine that replicates back to ts :)
[20:01:14] <brion>	 main problem with myisam is just that if something crashes, you have to go and manually fix crap up
[20:02:09] <brion>	 dump/restore to an isolated db might be safest thing, depending on how big the db is though
[20:02:49] <tfinc>	 brion: the group is available for anyone with a @wikimedia.org address
[20:03:18] <tfinc>	 brion: we arent sync'ing anything back to ts for wlm
[20:03:20] <brion>	 ah i'm usually logged in on my @gmail.com
[20:03:32] <brion>	 spiff. then replication may work :D
[20:03:48] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, but our databases are replicated to TS
[20:04:17] <brion>	 mmm
[20:04:55] <tfinc>	 core mw db's are repicated to TS but we wont be replicating wlm form wmf -> ts
[20:04:58] <tfinc>	 from*
[20:06:08] <MaxSem>	 well, if we want to put it into an ordinary DB, say commonswiki (to be able to use it via the usual API entry point)...
[20:09:06] <MaxSem>	 brion, crashed myisam is not a problem (well, not THAT problem) in this case, as it will be read-only except for bulk updates
[20:09:14] <MaxSem>	 so no information will be lost
[20:10:07] <brion>	 ok
[20:10:26] <brion>	 as long as borkage on it doesn't break anything else :D
[21:01:19] <jrobson>	 thedj: sorry I got distracted - but your suggestion on how to handle tables is a good one - could you update the ticket so those thoughts are not lost? - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36936 - the Facebook app allows you to slide the table to the left and right.. so basically adds horizontal scrolling without a scrollbar via javascript
[21:02:08] <jrobson>	 ohh you already have :-)
[21:02:10] <jrobson>	 cool :D
[21:02:24] <jrobson>	 maybe something for wikimania..
[21:57:10] <preilly>	 tfinc: we're going to talk about GeoData tomorrow during the OpenStreetMap discussion…. is that okay?
[21:58:35] <MaxSem>	 preilly, deployment time?
[21:59:10] <MaxSem>	 or not, 502 Bad Gateway
[22:00:07] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I stated earlier that we would be doing this tomorrow
[22:00:27] <MaxSem>	 oh, I misunderstood
[22:00:40] <preilly>	 MaxSem: no worries
[22:00:59] <tfinc>	 preilly: if thats the case then we should have max join
[22:03:00] <preilly>	 tfinc: Okay he can join for just that part of the discussion
[22:05:43] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, whom from ops should I contact regarding WLM, Asher?
[22:09:16] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: would you be able to join preilly & asher for a 1-2 PDT call tomorrow ?
[22:09:16] <tfinc>	 then we could do OSM after
[22:09:16] <tfinc>	 so that MaxSem can actually go to sleep
[22:09:40] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, I've got an interview with Sue at 1:30
[22:12:22] <tfinc>	 well then that certainly wont work
[22:13:07] <tfinc>	 preilly: you don't really need me for the GeoData portion. just grab binasher and max earlier and get it done
[22:15:11] <preilly>	 tfinc: Okay sounds good
[22:15:36] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I'll try to get this scheduled before your talk with Sue
[22:15:48] <MaxSem>	 ok
[22:19:11] <preilly>	 MaxSem: thanks
[22:21:45] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, whom should I contact regarding WLM on cluster, Asher?
[22:22:37] <preilly>	 MaxSem: probably Asher
[22:22:47] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: mail ct . he can inolve asher as needed
[22:22:55] <MaxSem>	 ok
[22:22:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13967
[22:25:21] <tfinc>	 whats our url parameter to force the mobile view ?
[22:26:03] <MaxSem>	 useformat=mobile
[22:26:39] <tfinc>	 and to make it persist
[22:26:52] <tfinc>	 mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile ?
[22:28:08] <MaxSem>	 yup
[22:28:28] <MaxSem>	 the link's in the footer
[22:34:28] <tfinc>	 philinje: MaxSem: lets set a due date for the api blog post
[22:34:35] <tfinc>	 i'd like to see it done this week
[22:35:18] <MaxSem>	 *returns to that post*
[22:36:42] <tfinc>	 preilly: same for you. lets schedule yours. if we can't get it wrapped up this week then we should just move on
[22:38:16] <tfinc>	 philinje: how is the next batch of main pages looking ?
[22:39:06] <philinje>	 let me take a look
[22:39:42] <philinje>	 blog post should be this week, but maybe next week is better in term of the calendar - let me check
[22:39:45] <preilly>	 tfinc: I've still been working on it
[22:39:53] <apmon>	 tfinc: What is the state of the OSM stuff?
[22:39:57] <preilly>	 tfinc: I plan on getting it up by next week
[22:40:14] <preilly>	 tfinc: I wanted it to be live around Wikimania time
[22:43:36] <philinje>	 blog calendar - this week Thur or next week Wed look ok
[22:44:10] <tfinc>	 aude: you around ?
[22:45:14] <tfinc>	 philinje: lets plan to publish the API post on Thur
[22:45:41] <tfinc>	 preilly: lets make friday the cut off and we'll publish it ealry next week
[22:45:46] <tfinc>	 i want to get both of those off our plates
[22:46:44] <preilly>	 tfinc: okay
[22:49:42] <MaxSem>	 philinje, http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/API-blog-post
[22:49:52] <philinje>	 ok
[22:50:31] <philinje>	 MaxSem: question about the new content API - is there a way to get the first so many characters of an article section?
[22:51:01] <MaxSem>	 nope
[22:51:17] <tfinc>	 philinje: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyMobile.htm well i was totally wrong. we barely squeezed by 2billion this month
[22:51:52] <philinje>	 ah, that's good news
[22:53:36] <tfinc>	 philinje: what have we heard back from analytics about adding analytics streams for the sibling projects ?
[22:54:12] <tfinc>	 apmon: hardware is racked & provisioned. awaiting setup. were meeting tomorrow to discuss next steps.
[22:54:38] <apmon>	 Ah, nice
[22:55:34] <apmon>	 I guess doing any work on the setup in labs isn't necessary anymore then?
[22:58:51] <philinje>	 tfinc: Diederik has it as a task and he is trying to figure out how to resource it
[22:59:07] <tfinc>	 excellent. let me know if they need any other detail from us
[22:59:22] <philinje>	 Wikiquote - 4 new home pages, Wikibooks - 1 new, Wikiversity - 1 new
[22:59:53] <tfinc>	 philinje: can you schedule the next showcase for WLM
[23:00:35] <philinje>	 when is a good time - post Wikimania (not sure when people are back)?
[23:01:34] <tfinc>	 philinje: i say we try to do one at wikimania. i dont want to wait on it. this project has a tight deadline
[23:02:07] <tfinc>	 jrobson: yuvi has worked through most of his WLM backlog. where can you use him most?
[23:02:25] <jrobson>	 for WLM?
[23:02:30] <tfinc>	 correct
[23:02:46] <jrobson>	 code review right now… but ask me again in 30mins :)
[23:03:17] <tfinc>	 sure