[06:39:13] yo [06:39:19] ne 1 on [09:05:51] MaxSem: Since you're the only vumi-related guy online at the moment... [09:06:03] yup? [09:06:10] I have the demo app running on one of the Praekelt machines at the moment. [09:06:40] I still need to build updated debs and things before it can easily be updated on the labs machine. [09:07:38] I think Dan was wanting to demo it or something. [13:57:22] [13:57:27] hi Amgine [14:14:48] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "improve styling of file pages" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15447 [14:15:56] jdlrobson: you camping out at the hotel or the venue ? [14:16:07] yuvipanda and i are waiting for next shuttle [14:17:02] tfinc: I'm at the venue [14:17:04] I walked over [14:17:15] nice [14:17:42] jdlrobson: what have you found about our upload token bug ? [14:17:50] not much yet [14:17:59] got distracted by http://people.mozilla.org/~lmandel/arewecompatibleyet/ [14:19:27] jdlrobson: thats not important for today [14:19:34] caxthelm: greetings [14:20:20] <^arky^> Hi! [14:21:16] hello [14:21:47] caxthelm: how goes the next build of the j2me app? [14:21:55] tfinc: I need your phone to look into the upload token bug [14:22:04] I'm looking into the leaflet stuff at the moment [14:22:17] seeing if anything obvious there [14:22:22] tfinc: we might want to subscribe to this meta bug for firefox/android issues with wikipedia, in case anything else gets added from their end: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763518 [14:23:01] oh good, jon already found the open bug :D [14:23:06] yep :P [14:23:16] tfinc: good, I'm working on making an html component that has less overhead and looks nicer, Eric is shoring up the GUI [14:25:39] jdlrobson: yuvipanda already fixed the leaflet bug on the s2 [14:26:07] oh cool [14:26:11] what was the issue? [14:26:17] caxthelm: what will we get to by friday? [14:26:22] \o/ [14:26:34] jdlrobson: async loading. [14:26:40] but specifically? [14:26:40] jdlrobson: the clusterer was loading before leaflet was [14:26:51] ok i'm gonna make that alternate 1.8.1 cordova jar, see if it works on that nexus s [14:26:53] well i assumed that but why.. [14:28:08] jdlrobson: because async loading? We didn't setup dependency between the clusterer and leaflet [14:28:46] link me to a commit ;P [14:29:39] jdlrobson: testing :) [14:29:48] guessing it's a require statement somewhere? [14:29:49] tfinc: The main page, the article page (with full section support, links, and hopefully images), and the ability to navigate the rest of the pages. [14:32:24] jdlrobson: pretty much [14:32:49] jdlrobson, yuvipanda: ok try this https://github.com/brion/WLMMobile/tree/cordova-downgrade -- minimizes the changes against stock cordova 1.8.1 [14:33:00] jdlrobson: https://github.com/wikimedia/WLMMobile/pull/41 [14:33:07] OK brion.. i still need tfinc 's phone though.. [14:33:15] will try a few other phones and see if I can get similar problems [14:33:20] excellent [14:33:26] I seem to have gained a nokia btw [14:33:34] \o/ [14:33:36] 2 nokias [14:33:41] where did these come from [14:33:42] make them fight [14:33:52] which nokias? [14:33:55] TWO NOKIAS ENTER. ONE NOKIA LEAVES [14:35:01] jdlrobson: i brought two of them [14:35:03] for demos [14:35:08] k [14:35:16] those are the ones that are in the bag [14:38:36] jdlrobson: search is broken? [14:38:41] it isn't (I just tried) [14:38:52] (according to note added on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLMShowcase2) [14:39:29] mm it was for me i'll check again [14:58:11] dan-nl http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLMShowcase2 https://github.com/wikimedia/WLMMobile [15:22:35] mornin mobilistas [15:25:46] mornin awjr [15:26:40] my internal clock agrees with mornings (and the general cycle) here! [15:27:07] hahaha [15:29:58] awjr: yo! [15:30:03] whattup tfinc [15:30:05] whos most up to date with the licnese issue we had on wikinews ? [15:30:16] if phil is not here, probably me [15:30:51] basically, license info is in one of the i18n messages [15:30:56] in MobileFrontend [15:31:27] the license info that is in that i18n message is incorrect for wikinews, and i suspect other sites/language projects as well [15:31:35] brion: jdlrobson, yuvipanda: ok try this https://github.com/brion/WLMMobile/tree/cordova-downgrade -- minimizes the changes against stock cordova 1.8.1 [15:31:47] i let folks know that the easiest short term fix would be to just locally modify the message [15:32:00] to be whatever licensing info they actually needed [15:32:03] src @ https://github.com/brion/incubator-cordova-android/tree/progress-alt-1.8.1 [15:32:08] * yuvipanda tells git to fetch brion [15:32:32] i know they've already done that on en.wikinews [15:35:22] tfinc: you have met ehonour right? He has been working with me this week to get you the best showcase app we can, and will be the main dev on the j2me while I'm in Orlando (Thursday and Friday). [15:35:46] Krinkle, http://blog.mozilla.org/devtools/ [15:36:40] hey arky [15:36:49] yuvipanda, wassup [15:36:56] arky: link to your blog post? [15:53:53] awjr: thanks for the info [15:53:59] tfinc np [15:54:34] yuvipanda did you have thoughts on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38282 ? [15:55:23] awjr: can you hold off for 20min ... were finalizing the apk for our showcase today [15:55:29] np [15:55:51] ehonour: greetings! [15:56:10] tfinc: and the same to you! [15:57:08] i remember being introduced to you but old habits of contacting the first dev on this project are hard to break [15:57:09] :) [15:57:18] not a problem [15:59:54] tfinc: no worries about that, I'm not out of town yet. I just wanted to make sure that if you had any questions tomorrow or Friday you could get answers. [16:00:24] is multichill not there? [16:00:46] ask and ye shall receive [16:01:11] hi multichill [16:02:12] i just saw that openhatch is a 'hackathon partner' this year - are the openhatch folks there? [16:03:36] yuvipanda: What's the tracker bug? [16:03:53] multichill: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37577 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38308 [16:07:04] hi awjr, ty uv [16:07:21] * awjr waves [16:08:38] tfinc: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WLM-v1.0-alpha2.apk [16:15:07] yuvipanda: Created a bunch of bugs, you might want to update/improve them https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38311 - database [16:15:21] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38312 - script https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38313 - api [16:33:01] multichill: thanks! [16:37:16] are you guys still prepping the apk? [16:37:20] tfinc yuvipanda ^ [16:45:12] yuvipanda: when you've got a minute, i've updated your python script to get the full of json object for each wlm campaign and store it in CAMPAIGNS. you can see my uncommitted changes here: https://gist.github.com/3091602 [16:45:35] i didn't see CAMPAIGNS getting used anywhere so i figured this was a safe change, but i wanted to dbl check before i went too far down this road. [16:49:43] drdee: is Evan at WIkimania? [16:51:10] philinje, no he is in the office [16:51:13] what's up? [16:54:07] brion: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLMShowcase2 [16:54:48] drdee_: just wondering if he understands the user agent stuff [16:55:08] what part exactly? [16:55:13] for mobile edits? [16:57:02] awjr: should we have a stand-up? [16:57:38] philinje yeah, it's getting to be that time, but we should wait for patrick. [17:01:31] MaxSem, philinje let's give patrick another couple of minutes to show up before we start standup [17:01:55] ok. I thought Max was at Wikimania [17:02:08] and there he is [17:02:11] MaxSem, preilly, philinje: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/67010cb061fd730bf1ed0502cffb7acbdec0b19b [17:02:51] jdlrobson: brion http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WLM-v1.0-alpha2.apk [17:03:10] \o/ [17:04:24] awjr: they are, grep in app.js [17:05:47] awjr: of course, they are currently used only to show list of campaigns. Should be much more :) [17:06:00] awjr: it looks good to me :) [17:11:32] yuvipanda, oh yeah i meant except for that one place in app.js :p [17:12:25] yuvipanda: is the apk ready to share with Elke? [17:13:00] awjr: yep :D [17:13:42] hopefully some of that made it through [17:13:51] tfinc: is the apk ready to share with Elke? [17:14:15] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38277 <- the ICS typing '9' or '(' bug [17:14:56] thanks brion [17:14:56] awjr: was about to do add categories, etc [17:15:03] until you picked that up :) [17:15:22] yuvipanda oh you mean in the campaign data in the app? [17:16:34] yuvipanda: sort works great in monument list [17:18:18] awjr: ? the campaigns js file has the categories [17:18:22] just not used :) [17:18:40] philinje: well, sortof. You realize it is sorting only the first 100 that is shown, not the entire list? :) [17:18:47] sort needs to be done server side. [17:19:04] yuvipanda: ok, does Max know that? [17:19:27] yuvipanda: how about full-text search? [17:20:07] what? [17:20:39] yuvipanda: Check out https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38314 ;-) [17:21:01] philinje: doing a final run through now. we'll send it after [17:21:16] philinje: its getting one update from jon [17:21:19] multichill: i'm wondering if we can just keep all of that in uploadcampaign itself :) [17:21:29] flyingclimber: thanks [17:21:37] yuvipanda / awjr : Are you making the campaign config flexible (+cache) so we prevent updates? [17:21:51] multichill i don't totally understand [17:22:14] multichill: not yet [17:22:20] i guess yuvi does :) [17:23:20] progress bar on upload is great, and the login message [17:23:54] philinje: i really like the new copy text that jdlrobson adde [17:23:54] d [17:24:47] yeah, let's make this like a game - it is a contest, after all [17:25:16] (too bad none of the real game features will make it this time) [17:27:27] multichill: can you take a look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38282 [17:30:25] or could someone ask Maarten to take a look at that bug? [17:31:45] philinje: APK is ready http://bit.ly/Mi9uxz : cb07167b8e155dc5634a3b7a3c95c1c8 [17:32:19] flyingclimber: will the dropbox URL work? [17:32:52] philinje: pm me what email she likes to use [17:33:44] I think you can just update the file in the URL Yuvi sent earlier [17:34:17] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8768784/WLM-v1.0-alpha2.apk [17:34:27] philinje: just me pass me her email and i'll send the info [17:34:44] philinje: the bit.ly link i sent already points to that [17:34:49] there is nothing else that needs to be uploaded [17:35:06] ok [17:39:32] the map view is awesome, great to see the clustering and it's fast [17:43:09] its pretty slick [17:44:26] definitely [17:44:47] beginning to feel like this will blow the doors open this year [17:46:01] what is the template engine being used in the WLM app? [17:47:32] and where can i find docs for it? [17:47:35] yuvipanda, jdlrobson ^ [17:48:52] philinje: did you know that WLM goes past Sept ? [17:48:53] hmm, again, could be a question for multichill [17:49:02] tfinc: no [17:49:17] yesterday i learned that WLM will actually go through October [17:49:21] so we'll need to support it for two months [17:49:26] tfinc: the timeframe of each country may vary [17:49:28] as some countries willl start late [17:49:34] it would have been good to know that [17:49:41] we werent budgting dev/ops time for it in Oct [17:49:44] now we have to [17:50:03] awjr: it's underscore templates [17:50:05] let's ask Elke on the call - that is not what I heard in the past [17:50:33] thanks jdlrobson [17:50:53] i imagine that any issues will show up in the first weeks but knowing that would have been nice [17:51:10] sure [17:51:38] possibly it is different this year [17:52:49] awjr: underscore.js :) [17:52:57] aah, late [17:52:58] damn [17:53:08] philinje: I noticed you've been replying to feedback in english when it has been written in another language… shouldn't we be getting these translated by community members? [17:54:38] jdlrobson: would be nice, but to some degree both sides rely on google translate [17:58:31] camping out in 307 [18:36:03] i am so in love with git stash. [18:36:07] don't tell sarah. [19:20:44] multichill: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WLMShowcase2 [19:48:58] jdlrobson: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_mobile_application/ToDo [19:55:44] is Brion in DC? [19:59:49] MaxSem: yup [20:00:32] oh, I see - he just left 15 minutes ago [20:02:36] MaxSem: he's standing in front of me with laptop closed [20:04:41] [WikipediaMobile] yuvipanda pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/3Km9kQ [20:04:41] [WikipediaMobile/master] Fix spacing in shareMail function - Jan Christiansen [20:04:41] [WikipediaMobile/master] Merge pull request #266 from plancalculus/mail-share - Yuvi Panda [20:05:00] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #359: SUCCESS in 11 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/359/ [20:05:01] jan_christiansen: Fix spacing in shareMail function [20:20:39] awjr: Still online? [20:20:45] multichill yup [20:21:05] I'm moving to the other rooms now (will disconnect). Want to have a short chat about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38282? [20:21:30] sure that sounds good - ping me when you're ready [20:21:36] skype? [20:21:41] going to walk now [20:21:44] sure [20:21:46] cool [20:29:54] awjr: I'm Maarten Dammers on skype [20:39:16] preilly: hey there [20:39:48] preilly: can you send me some screenshots with WP:Zero banners [20:39:52] i need them for my talk [20:46:44] tfinc: sure [20:47:59] tfinc: http://imgur.com/69doK [20:48:21] tfinc: http://imgur.com/ZPrwk [20:49:14] tfinc: http://imgur.com/ni4sk [21:03:25] heh there's a typo in 'default own work license' field name in the API [21:03:59] i was banging my head against the wall for a while trying to figure out why i wasn't able to get the data - in the api the field is named 'defaultOwnWorkLicence' [21:13:33] preilly: thanks! [21:13:51] philinje: yuvipanda and i were talking about getting rid of the near by list view [21:14:46] in todays testing it was clear that a) users expect to be abel to zoom, pan, and generally interact with the map to get new points [21:15:11] b) they only drop to the lise view when the map view isn't showing them more content [21:15:49] oh no! i like the nearby list view [21:15:50] c) the filtering options for near by are useless if the maps works properly [21:16:04] awjr: please your case [21:16:08] pleade* [21:16:20] 4.1 for Galaxy Nexus is out for some people... [21:16:29] i mean, to be fair, im the kinda guy who likes all text UI... [21:16:38] * yuvipanda hands awjr a command line wlm client [21:16:47] \o/ [21:16:47] * tfinc passes awjr the cli version of the wlm monuments app [21:16:57] hehehehe [21:17:00] i just find the map clunky [21:17:03] always have [21:17:09] wow ... i wasn't even looking at what yuvi was typing [21:17:11] thats too funny [21:17:14] lol [21:17:23] awjr: what do you find clunky [21:17:28] i just hate futzing with placemarkers [21:17:38] especially when you get a bunch of placemarkers relatively close by [21:17:43] i find them difficult to tap accurately [21:17:46] it always frustrates me [21:18:17] plus on slower connections, i find map loading to sometimes be obnoxiously slow [21:18:19] awjr: check out the clustering :) [21:18:23] oo [21:18:28] i will [21:18:36] awjr: fixes the 'which one of these 30 markers on this same pixel am I tapping?' issue [21:18:37] when i get over my hate of gui clients [21:19:35] but yeah, not speaking speciiaclly to the WLM app map, i find that maps and map data can load very slowly - and you don't always know when it's actually done loading [21:19:59] having a list view gives me the data i actually care about very quickly [21:20:32] but a long time ago i came to the conclusion that i am definitely not representative of the general public on UX issues [21:20:56] i tend to be… and outlier. [21:21:38] *an [21:21:47] :P [21:22:53] doh internet connection fail [21:23:11] this was the last stuff i msgd, dunno if it got through: [21:23:12] when i get over my hate of gui clients [21:23:12] 2:19 [21:23:12] but yeah, not speaking speciiaclly to the WLM app map, i find that maps and map data can load very slowly - and you don't always know when it's actually done loading [21:23:12] 2:19 [21:23:12] having a list view gives me the data i actually care about very quickly [21:23:13] 2:20 [21:23:13] but a long time ago i came to the conclusion that i am definitely not representative of the general public on UX issues [21:23:14] 2:20 [21:23:14] i tend to be… and outlier. [21:23:51] * tfinc waits for awjr to say ... "back in my day ... all my apps ran on a vt100 and we counted our characters down to the byte to not waste them" [21:24:11] roflmao [21:24:20] i was going to but i didnt want you guys to make fun of me [21:24:26] we do it anyways [21:24:32] lol good point. [21:35:13] tfinc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtZXpKWK-sw&feature=plcp [21:35:33] tfinc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwqNdhzUPpM&feature=plcp [22:07:51] tfinc: I got some great news for you. [22:08:48] tfinc: Eric and I are wrapping up for the day. Everything I wanted in the build for your preview has made it in. Including the image buttons. [22:09:36] so you have full articles with images on all but the smallest J2me phones. (I'll deal with those later). [22:10:26] an he isn't here...oh well. preilly if you see tfinc can you let him know? [22:10:36] caxthelm: will do [22:10:41] caxthelm: that is great news! [22:11:17] I'm going to send this through our QA and let Eric hammer out any issues tomorrow. You should get a preview build for WikiMania tomorrow night if that is OK. [22:11:49] I thought tfinc said he needed it for Friday. [22:12:36] caxthelm: okay that should be okay [22:23:25] caxthelm: thanks! [22:23:41] awjr: hey, about the wikinews issue... [22:24:35] philinje yeah? [22:24:57] philippe wanted to just make the change for all the languages [22:25:11] ok [22:26:22] awjr: do you have the admin rights? I am thinking I can do it but don't have the rights [22:26:54] that makes sense, probably more expedient and possibly less of a pita than contacting admins from all the projects [22:27:04] philinje i don't know if i do universally, but i definitely do on en.wikinews [22:27:17] what is the bug number again? [22:27:53] philinje i dunno i'll have to dig through my email [22:28:05] never mind, i'll find it [22:28:11] k [22:32:56] tfinc: hi [22:34:23] tfinc: caxthelm: tfinc: I got some great news for you. [3:08pm] caxthelm: tfinc: Eric and I are wrapping up for the day. Everything I wanted in the build for your preview has made it in. Including the image buttons. caxthelm: so you have full articles with images on all but the smallest J2me phones. (I'll deal with those later). [22:34:53] tfinc: caxthelm: I'm going to send this through our QA and let Eric hammer out any issues tomorrow. You should get a preview build for WikiMania tomorrow night if that is OK. [3:11pm] caxthelm: I thought tfinc said he needed it for Friday. [22:43:35] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15447 [22:47:56] preilly: thanks [22:48:02] i'll give it a run later tonight [22:48:18] oh [22:48:25] tomorrow night [22:51:12] tfinc: np [22:58:48] tfinc, preilly: Will has the build, I think me might be planning to send it over to let you prepare with it while it goes through QA. [23:00:10] tonight, that is [23:01:32] caxthelm: okay cool [23:01:58] I will talk to you all Monday. Have a good weekend and a fun WikiMania. [23:02:10] caxthelm: you too take care [23:05:53] excellent [23:06:12] preilly: anything pressing back at the office that i need to be involved in ? [23:06:22] tfinc: nope [23:08:08] * preilly brb [23:10:14] k