[06:10:24] <kaefert>	 how can I make mediawiki display the mobile version default for users with user agent strings that suggest a mobile device - without using Varnish or Squid as reverse proxy?
[07:30:02] <hashar>	 hi
[08:22:54] <GitHub91>	 [WLMMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/HMD3lA
[08:22:54] <GitHub91>	 [WLMMobile/master] move monument name out of heading - jrobson
[08:29:36] <GitHub197>	 [WLMMobile] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/s5adPg
[08:29:36] <GitHub197>	 [WLMMobile/master] Update Cordova 2.0.0 FileTransfer patch - Brion Vibber
[08:43:50] <hashar>	 yuvipanda: hi :)  Tomasz asked me to setup a jenkins jobs for WMLMobile
[08:44:04] <hashar>	 yuvipanda: it is at https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/
[08:44:15] <hashar>	 if that works, it will publish the debug .apk at https://integration.mediawiki.org/WLMMobile/nightly/
[08:44:28] <hashar>	 I have no idea if the job work though
[08:44:34] * hashar  tries

[08:44:36] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #1: FAILURE in 4.7 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/1/
[08:46:01] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #2: STILL FAILING in 9.2 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/2/
[08:55:54] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Yippie, build fixed!
[08:55:55] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #3: FIXED in 6.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/3/
[08:56:14] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #4: SUCCESS in 6.8 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/4/
[08:56:16] <hashar>	 apparently just the touch2 branch we got an issue :)
[08:56:33] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #5: SUCCESS in 7 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/5/
[08:56:42] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #6: SUCCESS in 7.1 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/6/
[08:56:51] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #7: SUCCESS in 6.7 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/7/
[08:56:52] <hashar>	 that is me building all the branches
[08:57:09] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #8: SUCCESS in 7.2 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/8/
[09:15:38] <yuvipanda>	 hashar: thanks!
[09:15:48] <yuvipanda>	 hashar: can we build just master?
[09:15:58] <yuvipanda>	 automatically, that is
[09:16:04] <hashar>	 if you want :-)
[09:16:23] <hashar>	 or fix your branch ? :-]]]]]
[09:16:28] <yuvipanda>	 that would be nice! :)
[09:16:57] <yuvipanda>	 hashar: we do have a few 'defunct' branches on the wikimedia repo
[09:17:11] <yuvipanda>	 hmm, they should go actually
[09:17:13] * yuvipanda  goes to kill them

[09:18:22] <yuvipanda>	 i'm unsure why they even got there
[09:18:37] <yuvipanda>	 hashar: cleaned up :)
[09:18:40] <yuvipanda>	 you don't need to make changes
[12:33:23] <aharoni>	 MaxSem: HI.
[12:33:34] <aharoni>	 For quite a while already the questions on the Mobile Feedback mailing list are repeating themselves. This very literally calls for an FAQ page. I somehow thought that there is one already, but I couldn't find it.
[12:33:42] <aharoni>	 Are you aware of such a page?
[12:48:59] <MaxSem>	 mmm
[12:50:07] <MaxSem>	 aharoni, there's https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/Mobile_Gateway
[13:11:54] <aharoni>	 MaxSem: That's a page for project admins.
[13:12:09] <aharoni>	 I'm talking about a FAQ for end users.
[13:12:31] <aharoni>	 With questions like "How do I search in another language."
[13:12:44] <aharoni>	 Hi yuvipanda .
[13:13:06] <aharoni>	 I just asked MaxSem whether he's aware of a FAQ page for end users of the mobile site and the mobile app.
[13:13:31] <aharoni>	 Are you aware of something like this?
[13:35:12] <yuvipanda>	 hi aharoni
[13:35:26] <yuvipanda>	 no, not that I'm aware of. Mobile app documentation is scarce
[13:50:31] <aharoni>	 yuvipanda, MaxSem , http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/mobile-users-faq
[14:24:46] <aharoni>	 Thehelpfulone: Hi.
[14:25:00] <aharoni>	 Maybe you can help here: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/mobile-users-faq
[14:28:41] <Thehelpfulone>	 aharoni, hey, sure
[14:29:49] <Thehelpfulone>	 what is the latest iOS version btw?
[14:29:59] <Thehelpfulone>	 I have 3.2beta2 on my phone
[14:38:34] <Thehelpfulone>	 so actually from a usability point of view (on the iOS app), if I've set the language of the app to be Spanish through the settings
[14:38:43] <Thehelpfulone>	 and then I go to read a page in, German for example
[14:38:54] <Thehelpfulone>	 then if I search for another page, would you expect for it to be german or spanish?
[15:03:17] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: sorry, bad interent
[15:03:28] <aharoni>	 no problem.
[15:03:34] <aharoni>	 i have to leave soon.
[15:03:39] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: can you give me the etherpad link again?
[15:03:39] <aharoni>	 but i started something :)
[15:03:45] <yuvipanda>	 I'll fill in what I can
[15:03:48] <aharoni>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/mobile-users-faq
[15:04:03] <aharoni>	 srikanthlogic: hi. you're welcome to help writing the mobile app FAQ.
[15:09:55] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: added a few, i need to write docs for one answer
[15:10:25] <yuvipanda>	 aharoni: and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31808 has more context about apps for wiki source, etc
[15:15:43] * yuvipanda  just discovered to his horror that api.js contains DOM manipulating code

[16:57:43] <tfinc>	 hangout is up https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2314a00a8a6c29134896f63baeb84f80309159b9?authuser=1&hl=en
[16:57:45] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: --^
[16:57:49] <MaxSem>	 yo
[16:58:09] * tfinc  wonders if he can just use the same hangout link each time

[16:58:14] <tfinc>	 i wonder if google recycles them
[17:06:23] <MaxSem>	 Google, Inc. denies all liability in the matter of user expectations about all kinds of links being permanent or not, and the extent of permanence blah legalese blah blah
[17:18:38] <awjr>	 MaxSem: we're still not ready to run puppet on the new box it seems - the necessary change i made to the manifest has not been reviewed/merged yet (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16858)
[17:19:06] <MaxSem>	 owch
[17:19:59] <preilly>	 awjr: I just asked notpeter to review and approve that chagne
[17:20:05] <awjr>	 thanks preilly
[17:20:13] <preilly>	 awjr: np
[17:23:14] <preilly>	 awjr: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16858/1 has been merged
[17:23:47] <awjr>	 yup thanks
[17:23:48] <preilly>	 awjr: Faidon successfully merged it into the git repository.
[17:27:32] <tfinc>	 awjr: jon and i chatted about the current backlog at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=133890&resolution=---&resolution=LATER&resolution=DUPLICATE&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=WikiLoves%20Monuments%20Mobile and he's going to pick up easy items today and wait for your chat with MaxSem tomorrow to move on anything else
[17:27:57] <awjr>	 my chat with MaxSem = discussion about admin zones?
[17:27:59] <awjr>	 tfinc ^
[17:28:18] <tfinc>	 awjr: do you think we could use that meeting tomorrow as a basic planning meeting or are you thinking of keeping it to just admin zones ?
[17:28:24] <tfinc>	 i'm just thinking aloud here
[17:29:01] <awjr>	 tfinc i think we could turn it into something a little more general purpose, perhaps get a sanity check on stories philinje is preparing
[17:32:44] <tfinc>	 awjr: that way we avoid all the side discussions that are happening to unblock various issues and to check status
[17:32:52] <tfinc>	 more so the latter
[17:33:02] <awjr>	 yes
[17:33:18] <tfinc>	 awjr: lets chat in the afternoon how we can balance this between the two of us so that i don't suddenly put too much on you
[17:33:24] <tfinc>	 about*
[17:39:23] <tfinc>	 preilly: since you couldn't speak much at the stand up. what are you working on today ?
[17:39:51] <preilly>	 tfinc: today I'm working on the varnish config and creating a vmod for it
[17:40:18] <preilly>	 tfinc: so that we can remove the inline c and isolate potential segmentation faults on the CP boxes
[17:40:57] <preilly>	 tfinc: I was also working on getting GeoData in dark launch state and getting those cordova changes upstreamed
[17:41:11] <tfinc>	 philinje: did we resolve the issue with having an incorrect license on wikinews ?
[17:41:20] <preilly>	 tfinc: I'm also going to try to support MaxSem and awjr as much as possible with the puppet part of WLM
[17:41:38] <tfinc>	 preilly: what are our blockers for GeoData ?
[17:41:42] <philinje>	 yes, I changed most of them manually and notified Philippe that some pages were locked
[17:42:09] <preilly>	 tfinc: the only blocker at this point is operations
[17:42:27] <preilly>	 tfinc: this should be resolved by tomorrow at the latest
[17:42:39] <awjr>	 tfinc: we had our puppet change reverted by mark b and are now working to get it re-implemented so we can get an initial puppet run done on the new box
[17:43:18] <preilly>	 tfinc: binasher and I are satisfied with the current state it's just a matter of getting the DB tables created and populated
[17:43:43] <preilly>	 MaxSem: do you have a current cron job to run on that box?
[17:43:55] <preilly>	 MaxSem: for WLM I mean (just to be clear)
[17:44:19] <MaxSem>	 not yet - but it's just wget + cat | mysql
[17:44:40] <MaxSem>	 preilly, <MaxSem> not yet - but it's just wget + cat | mysql
[17:45:20] <preilly>	 MaxSem: okay so it's probably worth creating a dummy file in puppet and referencing that one
[17:45:42] <preilly>	 MaxSem: just so that we meet the requirements put forth by Mark Bergsma
[17:46:08] <MaxSem>	 preilly, as of GeoData schema, I wanted an advice regarding its work in replicated environments
[17:46:14] <MaxSem>	 okay
[17:46:44] <preilly>	 MaxSem: okay let's talk about replication later in the day when Asher is around
[17:47:08] <MaxSem>	 cool, thanks
[18:00:37] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: were upstairs waiting on you
[18:00:43] <tfinc>	 R66
[18:04:35] <preilly>	 MaxSem: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16985/1
[18:10:41] <preilly>	 MaxSem: Patch Set 2 — https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16985/1
[18:14:13] <MaxSem>	 preilly, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16985/2/GeoDataHooks.php line 188 - is it really supposed to look like that?
[18:14:24] <MaxSem>	 i.e. "} ,"
[18:15:21] <preilly>	 MaxSem: well it's a parameter to array_map for strictly probably yes don't you think?
[18:16:34] <MaxSem>	 we call f( 1, 2, 3 ) not f( 1 , 2 , 3 )
[18:16:43] <preilly>	 MaxSem: hmm actually probably not
[18:16:58] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I think http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/tools/code-utils/stylize.php just made a mistake
[18:17:48] <MaxSem>	 yeah I usually preview its changes because it can't be as insane as we humans are
[18:17:53] <preilly>	 MaxSem: fixed in gerrit-wm: New patchset: preilly; "keeping up with the MediaWiki spacey site style" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16985
[18:18:34] <preilly>	 MaxSem: it's fixed in Patch Set 3
[18:18:49] <MaxSem>	 merged
[18:19:47] <preilly>	 MaxSem: thanks and thanks for reviewing that commit as well
[18:21:37] <preilly>	 awjr: you saw this change right https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16984/1/manifests/site.pp
[18:23:41] <awjr>	 yeah - thanks
[18:35:20] <awjr>	 MaxSem did you get that change committed for the puppet manifest?
[18:35:29] <MaxSem>	 working on it
[18:35:38] <awjr>	 cool thanks
[18:35:38] <MaxSem>	 I'm slow with command line
[18:59:34] <yuvipanda>	 oooo, my extension has been deployed to cluster!
[18:59:35] * yuvipanda  does a little dance

[19:01:47] <multichill>	 Which one yuvipanda?
[19:02:09] <yuvipanda>	 multichill: Extension:ShortUrl
[19:02:29] <yuvipanda>	 multichill: first extension I wrote when I was writing mediawiki related code, live on a few indian wikis :)
[19:02:36] <yuvipanda>	 *indic
[19:02:42] <yuvipanda>	 first commit on May 25 2005
[19:03:06] <multichill>	 Haha, nice :-)
[19:03:15] <yuvipanda>	 multichill: very :)
[19:07:29] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I think you should look at puppet/manifests/misc/blogs.pp  and bugzilla.pp for an example of how to do https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16990/1/manifests/misc/wlm.pp correctly
[19:13:09] <preilly>	 MaxSem:  use alias, not the docroot
[19:23:35] <tfinc>	 https://integration.mediawiki.org/WLMMobile/nightly/ :D
[19:23:40] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: --^
[19:24:01] <tfinc>	 philinje: fresh builds for you whenever you need them
[19:24:18] <MaxSem>	 preilly, I wanted to make everything but api.php inaccessible
[19:25:40] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: indeed, I cleaned up our branches after hashar pointed them out to me :)
[19:25:45] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I understand that
[19:26:03] <MaxSem>	 so what's the difference?
[19:26:32] <philinje>	 tfinc: awesome
[19:26:41] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: what did we have to do in order to jenkins to notify us in channel of the builds?
[19:26:54] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: spent 2 days at a conference manning a wiki stall. 2 people specified interest in working for us - i shall pass on shortly
[19:27:00] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: nothing? We just need to push
[19:27:21] <tfinc>	 philinje: after andy flagged that you didn't have any builds of the app i quickly contact hashar and got it in place
[19:27:24] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: see comment on latest pull req. -1 for buttons on actionbar
[19:27:41] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: so next commit for wlm will show up in channel ?
[19:27:49] <yuvipanda>	 or rather, -1 for background-image
[19:27:51] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yes
[19:28:27] <MaxSem>	 preilly, so what's the difference?
[19:28:44] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I'd also use this syntax: file {"/var/www/api/api.php":
[19:28:45] <preilly>	 ensure => symlink,
[19:28:46] <preilly>	 target => "/var/wlm/erfgoed/api/api.php"
[19:28:46] <jdlrobson>	 yo yuvipanda
[19:28:47] <preilly>	 }
[19:28:55] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipanda: ?
[19:29:06] <MaxSem>	 okay
[19:29:16] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: left comment on the pull req :)
[19:29:37] <jdlrobson>	 your comment has confused me yuvipanda
[19:29:43] <GitHub23>	 [WLMMobile] flyingclimber pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/dJtB-g
[19:29:43] <GitHub23>	 [WLMMobile/master] Update README - Tomasz Finc
[19:29:44] <jdlrobson>	 you talk about image urls which i'm not doing anything with..
[19:29:46] <philinje>	 tfinc: yes, saw that, thanks
[19:30:03] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: theres the github notificaiton. now lets see if jenkins picks it up
[19:30:05] <jdlrobson>	 all I'm doing is absolutely positioning the about button which is borked on android 2.2
[19:30:07] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: true, but that's an update to a rule whichinvolves them
[19:30:16] <jdlrobson>	 which line?
[19:30:22] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: actually. isn't it a nightly not per commit
[19:30:26] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I've asked Faidon to look at it too
[19:30:34] * tfinc  is going to step out and pick up food at specialities

[19:30:35] <yuvipanda>	 and the other action bar items don't have this problem, no?
[19:30:37] <MaxSem>	 thanks
[19:30:46] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: weird, last time I pushed it built. hashar was around then
[19:31:26] <tfinc>	 no matter. we still have nightlies
[19:31:34] <preilly>	 MaxSem: I've also asked mark to look at it as he reverted the last change
[19:32:06] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: hmm, true that it has nothing to do with that particular commit. I just didn't like that it has specific styling for button#about instead of just relying on .page header.actionbar img {
[19:32:10] <yuvipanda>	 styling
[19:34:41] <jdlrobson>	 ah yuvipanda i see
[19:35:44] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: i'll take care of that, am there now anyway
[19:35:46] <jdlrobson>	 good catch yuvipanda
[19:35:54] <jdlrobson>	 ahh I'm doing it too yuvipanda
[19:36:08] <jdlrobson>	 since i can test it as well
[19:36:14] <jdlrobson>	 i guess you don't have a 2.2
[19:36:28] <yuvipanda>	 i've the emu :P
[19:36:30] <yuvipanda>	 but i'll go back to photo.js
[19:36:32] <yuvipanda>	 go ahead
[19:37:59] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Signpost_Android_app_mockups.png
[19:38:32] <jdlrobson>	 k
[19:38:53] <jdlrobson>	 mm yuvipanda seems it's a little more complex
[19:39:18] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: ?
[19:39:38] <jdlrobson>	 reusing css definitions and still have issues with it rendering correctly
[19:39:55] * yuvipanda  checks

[19:40:55] <jdlrobson>	 button needs display block as well from the look of it
[19:41:48] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: make it an a
[19:41:54] <jdlrobson>	 NEVER!
[19:41:56] <jdlrobson>	 :P
[19:42:01] <yuvipanda>	 oh come on
[19:42:07] <yuvipanda>	 consistency! :P
[19:42:09] <jdlrobson>	 haha
[19:42:24] <yuvipanda>	 plus i'm yet to hear why exactly it is wrong
[19:42:26] <yuvipanda>	 it is a link to the about page!
[19:42:30] <yuvipanda>	 it doesn't 'do' anything
[19:42:46] <yuvipanda>	 i'd agree with buttons on the first page content
[19:42:48] <yuvipanda>	 and even on the 'my location' button
[19:42:52] <yuvipanda>	 but not with action bar ones
[19:43:26] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: ^
[19:44:07] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipanda: actually changing to a link makes it even more confusing
[19:44:11] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: looks right to me with an <a>
[19:44:13] <jdlrobson>	 it's not the right height
[19:44:21] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipanda: you fix that then i'll test on my phone
[19:44:25] <yuvipanda>	 ok
[19:44:26] <jdlrobson>	 as i just seem to be in a state
[19:45:04] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: awesome. who's working on it?
[19:45:36] <tfinc>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Notnarayan i see
[19:45:41] <tfinc>	 were you invovled in this?
[19:45:57] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipanda: it's wrong imo as it has no href - even though it doesn't need one links without href's make me uncomfortable
[19:46:14] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: my idea of doing the app, and we spent majority of sunday iterating on it + I wrote the backend (signpost content)
[19:46:29] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: am writing it in Java as and when I get the time
[19:46:39] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: data-page is href in disguise
[19:46:50] <jdlrobson>	 yeh but that doesn't make it ok :P
[19:46:52] <yuvipanda>	 we're essentially using our own mechanism of linking, that is all
[19:47:03] <yuvipanda>	 we're being smarter than the w3c :P
[19:47:11] <jdlrobson>	 it's not semantically correct
[19:47:15] <yuvipanda>	 of course, no reason we can't use #<id> instead of data-page
[19:47:17] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: native, phonegap, other ?
[19:47:21] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: native
[19:47:33] <tfinc>	 cool. i'm eager to hear what you find about it
[19:47:54] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: indeed, that's the primary reason I want to do it native
[19:48:16] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: getting the backend ready was a total pain, since it was essentially html scraping. Dirty too
[19:48:46] <jdlrobson>	 this is interesting yuvipanda  > http://webdesignfan.com/yslow-tutorial-part-2-of-3-reducing-server-calls/
[19:48:53] <jdlrobson>	 (Avoid empty src or href)
[19:48:58] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i've spent majority of last 2 weeks with the phone as my primary internet access device than my laptop, and it is driving my needs :)
[19:49:28] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: sent pull req
[19:50:02] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: i've also been using the wikipedia beta app a lot and it is wonderful. I *really* want to make a release soon (Ideally on an IST friday night, so i've 3 days free to monitor)
[19:50:57] <jdlrobson>	 thanks yuvipanda
[19:51:44] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: i see nothing wrong with empty href there, since we're handling them all and handling them generically :)
[19:51:56] <yuvipanda>	 we don't do empty src
[19:52:07] <yuvipanda>	 (which i agree is weird)
[19:52:16] <jdlrobson>	 we do an empty src I think
[19:52:25] <jdlrobson>	 i might be wrong but i'm sure i've seen one in html -
[19:52:43] <yuvipanda>	 no i just checked
[19:52:46] <yuvipanda>	 no empty src
[19:52:51] <jdlrobson>	 i guess it's just if we ever want in future to build the app for the web (e.g. firefox just made it possible to access a camera from the browser)
[19:52:55] <jdlrobson>	 then we're creating work for us
[19:53:40] <yuvipanda>	 with what, empty hrefs?
[19:53:51] <yuvipanda>	 not really - since we're handling them all generically
[19:55:01] <jdlrobson>	 yuvipanda: pushed
[19:55:13] <yuvipanda>	 no github bot? :(
[19:55:19] <jdlrobson>	 wait for it..
[19:55:21] <GitHub37>	 [WLMMobile] jdlrobson pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/bZNxrA
[19:55:21] <GitHub37>	 [WLMMobile/master] Use an <a> for about icon instead of <button> - YuviPanda
[19:55:21] <GitHub37>	 [WLMMobile/master] Update README - Tomasz Finc
[19:55:21] <GitHub37>	 [WLMMobile/master] Merge branch 'master' of github.com:wikimedia/WLMMobile - jrobson
[19:55:29] <yuvipanda>	 merge commits!
[19:55:32] <jdlrobson>	 arggh
[19:55:40] <jdlrobson>	 wtf
[19:55:42] <yuvipanda>	 too late :P
[19:55:49] <jdlrobson>	 i just did git rebase tmp master
[19:55:54] <jdlrobson>	 then git push origin master
[19:55:58] <jdlrobson>	 did i do something wrong?
[19:55:59] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: you might not have fetched?
[19:56:14] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: so your master didn't have tfinc's commit
[19:56:21] <jdlrobson>	 did that just appear?
[19:56:27] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: yes, a few minutes ago
[19:56:29] <jdlrobson>	 ahh ok
[19:56:32] <jdlrobson>	 i guess it's a time issue
[19:56:33] <jdlrobson>	 anyway
[19:56:38] <jdlrobson>	 must go.. interview back in an hour
[19:56:44] <yuvipanda>	 :)
[19:57:06] <yuvipanda>	 he missed a commit
[19:57:06] <yuvipanda>	 grr
[19:58:18] <preilly>	 best signature ever. "— Sent from whatever device will keep us from debating which one is better."
[19:58:31] <yuvipanda>	 :D
[19:58:36] <yuvipanda>	 preilly: whose was that?
[19:59:42] <preilly>	 yuvipanda: a random mailing list post
[20:00:00] <preilly>	 yuvipanda: I'm sort of tempted to change mine to that
[20:00:01] <yuvipanda>	 ah :)
[20:00:36] <yuvipanda>	 preilly: i'll probably do that once I get tired of how inaccurate 'Sent from my Tricorder' is
[20:04:38] <preilly>	 http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qaavc/
[20:05:17] <yuvipanda>	 jdlrobson: https://github.com/wikimedia/WLMMobile/pull/85
[20:05:39] <yuvipanda>	 heh
[20:06:58] <yuvipanda>	 preilly: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qaf40/ -> happened to me :)
[20:07:41] <preilly>	 yuvipanda: ha ha ha
[20:08:28] <yuvipanda>	 worst part was them copying wrong sections
[20:08:44] * yuvipanda  reminds himself to make a blog post with screenshots

[20:21:51] <yuvipanda>	 alright i should now sleep.
[20:21:53] <yuvipanda>	 gnite everyone
[20:25:35] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: seeya
[20:25:49] <philinje>	 gnite
[20:29:10] <tfinc>	 philinje: last week we talked about releasing the beta out to the wlm community
[20:29:15] <tfinc>	 philinje: how would you like to orgainze the testing?
[20:30:00] <MaxSem>	 preilly, probably I could explain my DB worries without Asher?
[20:30:16] <philinje>	 tfinc: let me discuss with Elke, but basically, we can release to mobile-l and create a feedback page
[20:30:40] <philinje>	 i don't think it's ready for Google Play, do you?
[20:33:09] <tfinc>	 philinje: will mobile-l give us enough of an audience? what about the wlm mailing lists ?
[20:33:22] <philinje>	 that part I need to discuss with Elke
[20:36:12] <MaxSem>	 awjr, do we need the prior history of WLM in Git?
[20:36:31] <awjr>	 MaxSem i do not think it is a requirement
[20:36:42] <awjr>	 MaxSem are you working on mirroring the svn repo in git?
[20:36:49] <tfinc>	 philinje:  we talked about needing this info last week . given that elkes response time is slow ... we talked about talking with lodjevik (sp) and maartin instead . wouldn't talking with them be faster?
[20:37:20] <MaxSem>	 so don't need to poke Chad about importing all these revisions? great
[20:37:52] <philinje>	 doubt it, but I will ask all of them
[20:37:56] <awjr>	 MaxSem nope. we should be able to use git-svn to host a mirror of the svn repo in a branch in the new git repository, and then use another branch (master?) for deployment
[20:38:25] <awjr>	 MaxSem i started looking into git-svn but haven't actually done anything with the repo yet. if you have time, you should feel free to get it going today - otherwise i will be tackling it probably tomorrow
[20:38:37] <MaxSem>	 ok
[20:42:16] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: did we resolve the really weird map only shows at the top left corner bug?
[20:42:27] <tfinc>	 i never filed a ticket as i couldn't repo it
[20:43:09] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: it was there in the first showcase, we fixed it for the second
[20:44:08] <tfinc>	 i had it happening as of last week
[20:44:52] <yuvipanda>	 possibly different bug
[20:45:04] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: file bug!
[20:48:46] <GitHub88>	 [WLMMobile] brion pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/EjySvg
[20:48:46] <GitHub88>	 [WLMMobile/master] Remove unneeded styles for button#about - YuviPanda
[20:48:46] <GitHub88>	 [WLMMobile/master] Move map related styles to their appropriate section - YuviPanda
[20:48:46] <GitHub88>	 [WLMMobile/master] Merge pull request #85 from yuvipanda/minor-css-fixes - Brion Vibber
[20:54:10] <preilly>	 MaxSem: did you see the comments on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16990/
[20:54:17] <MaxSem>	 yup
[20:54:24] <preilly>	 MaxSem: okay great
[20:54:35] <preilly>	 MaxSem: looks like you're really close to getting it squared away
[21:21:04] <awjr>	 MaxSem have you already started setting up the WLM svn repo in git? i suddenly have a free hour so if not i can go ahead and get that going now
[21:24:47] <MaxSem>	 awjr, I've made a clone of the SVN repo, now experimenting with remotes
[21:26:39] <awjr>	 MaxSem: ok cool i'll work on something else then
[21:54:33] <MaxSem>	 awjr, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17017/ - but that's way too manual, looking for a better solution
[21:55:21] <MaxSem>	 @all: today, aharoni came up with a proposal of a end-user-oriented mobile FAQ: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/mobile-users-faq
[22:02:30] <awjr>	 MaxSem: i left some comments on that commit
[22:03:22] <philinje>	 MaxSem: thanks for sharing
[22:05:36] <MaxSem>	 awjr, so what's the problem with that commit? it simply commits a change for inclusion into master, then we manually merge it
[22:05:54] <MaxSem>	 or you want that branch to be completely independent?
[22:06:05] <awjr>	 MaxSem: i think the svn mirror should be hosted in a branch other than master
[22:06:33] <MaxSem>	 then it should allow direct pushes
[22:06:53] <awjr>	 MaxSem i don't fllow
[22:06:57] <awjr>	 er
[22:06:58] <awjr>	 follow
[22:08:17] <MaxSem>	 so, there's a branch for svn. the script should be able to push directly into it, then we manually merge stuff from it into master
[22:10:04] <awjr>	 MaxSem i think we're stuck with gerrit, but you can still commit to a remote branch
[22:10:40] <awjr>	 MaxSem you should be able to create a new remote branch here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/wikimedia/wlm-api,branches
[22:15:23] <awjr>	 MaxSem once you have your remote branch set up, you can commit to it with git review -t <remote branch name>
[22:17:22] <MaxSem>	 mmmmmmmm
[22:17:40] <MaxSem>	 all these changes require a change-id
[22:18:30] <MaxSem>	 so pushes via git-review get rejected
[22:19:08] <awjr>	 eh? doesn't git-review apply a change-id?
[22:21:44] <MaxSem>	 it applies them on commit
[22:22:01] <MaxSem>	 and when you pull from svn, you don't commit
[22:22:23] <awjr>	 how did it work the first time?
[22:22:36] <MaxSem>	 manual commit --amend :)
[22:22:59] <MaxSem>	 hence I said it's too manual
[22:23:09] <awjr>	 i see
[22:24:19] <awjr>	 i think manual is OK for now unless it's something that really gets in the way
[22:29:48] <preilly>	 jerith: ping
[22:44:56] <tfinc>	 MaxSem:  awjr: heads up that i'm putting in some reservations for you guys to hang out with the whole team before the all staff starts
[22:45:33] <tfinc>	 looking at Sep 2 - 15th
[22:45:49] <tfinc>	 hotels fill up quick so im getting in the reservations now
[23:04:17] <awjr>	 tfinc: cool - just fyi im also planning on being in town the week after the all-staff as well if that makes any difference in your planning.
[23:05:40] <tfinc>	 what about you MaxSem. do you prefer before or after?
[23:07:57] <awjr>	 tfinc: if we do before, i might need to go home to az for most or all of the week after the all-staff
[23:08:51] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, I have no preferences. what do you recommend?
[23:11:01] <tfinc>	 i'm brain dead post all staff
[23:11:09] <tfinc>	 as awjr knows all too well
[23:11:12] <awjr>	 heh
[23:11:52] <MaxSem>	 too exciting?
[23:14:46] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: whenever you have to interact with that many people (regardless of good facilitation or not) you get exhausted and brain dead
[23:14:49] <tfinc>	 its like post wikimania
[23:14:55] <tfinc>	 i just want to hide in a hole for a day
[23:15:23] <MaxSem>	 then it makes sense to leave after the all-staff
[23:18:23] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, okay - let's go for 2-15
[23:29:15] <MaxSem>	 we've got a security approval
[23:42:43] <flyingclimber>	 Ryan_Lane: its 味 (あじ）
[23:43:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 aji?
[23:43:31] <flyingclimber>	 making it "ポケットケーキ味" - pocket cake flavor/taste
[23:43:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah. right
[23:44:12] <flyingclimber>	 Ryan_Lane: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1Q%CC%A3_1_%A4%A2%A4%B8
[23:44:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[23:45:03] <flyingclimber>	 Ryan_Lane: thats the site i was telling you about. straight out of the late 90's but with everythign i would ever need to translate japanese
[23:45:11] <Ryan_Lane>	 yep