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[18:27:52] * yuvipanda  pokes tfinc with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.yuvi.signpost

[18:28:40] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: i've been using the signpost app
[18:28:50] <tfinc>	 lolz. i just messaged you in another channel
[18:28:55] <tfinc>	 lets keep it here
[18:28:57] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: from Google Play?
[18:29:01] <tfinc>	 yes
[18:29:04] <tfinc>	 i've been using it all this morning
[18:29:05] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: sweet!
[18:29:09] <tfinc>	 before and after swimming
[18:29:11] <tfinc>	  i was proud to see it
[18:29:17] <yuvipanda>	 \o/
[18:29:42] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: wait for Monday morning :D
[18:30:03] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: what do we get then ?
[18:30:18] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: Push notification! :P
[18:30:39] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: everything is setup - when Jarry1250 hits his publish script, push notifications would be out in under a second
[18:31:12] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: last screenshot in Google Play is that of the Push notification :)
[18:32:29] <yuvipanda>	 flyingclimber: I'm not sure if you got my messages :)
[18:32:57] <yuvipanda>	 flyingclimber: Monday morning is push notifications time
[18:34:56] <tfinc>	 i cant wait to test those
[18:34:58] <tfinc>	 thats a killer feature
[18:36:00] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: it is!
[18:36:15] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: I delayed launch by a week to get that in :)
[18:37:49] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: I'm thinking of building Simple Commons Uploader app next. Thoughts?
[18:37:56] <tfinc>	 one sec
[18:37:59] <tfinc>	 need to redo a twet
[18:38:54] <tfinc>	 https://twitter.com/WikimediaMobile/status/244505019947290624 :D there we go
[18:38:59] <tfinc>	 giving you the credit you deserve
[18:39:19] <yuvipanda>	 sweeet :)
[18:40:56] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: let's see how reception is. I expect a few hundred downloads, tops - I guess?
[18:41:07] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: also, appropriate to spam wmfall?
[18:41:34] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: a simple commons upload will have only one license. it will do almost all the work for me. and it will let me know if my image ever makes it to wikipedia, ...
[18:41:38] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: do it
[18:41:49] <tfinc>	 wikitech too
[18:41:51] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: exactly what I'm thinking :D
[18:42:12] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: have you seen these http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Uploaded_with_Android_WLM_App ?
[18:42:25] <tfinc>	 their stunning
[18:42:26] <tfinc>	 :D
[18:42:28] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: ahem, I wrote a script yesterday to gather stats from those :D
[18:42:30] <yuvipanda>	 of course i saw those :D
[18:42:33] <tfinc>	 but we don't have enough
[18:42:41] <yuvipanda>	 yes, that is true!
[18:42:42] <tfinc>	 we've barely crossed 500
[18:42:45] <tfinc>	 thats not enough
[18:42:48] <tfinc>	 i want us to get to 10,000
[18:42:49] <yuvipanda>	 more advertisement in Europe?
[18:43:04] <tfinc>	 thats the only way we can reach 1,000 / month after of just commons uploads
[18:43:07] <tfinc>	 thats our goal
[18:43:49] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: start a wiki page for the commons app
[18:43:56] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: yup, on it!
[18:44:11] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: also, you should see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Android_keyboard_for_bilinguals
[18:44:23] <yuvipanda>	 not fully done, but that's going to be my Undergrad Project for the Final year
[18:44:34] <tfinc>	 after i do some more image rotation in the mobile category i'm going to take a look at your data dump
[18:44:35] <yuvipanda>	 that's what I'll be doing on the 2 days of the week I do have college for
[18:44:59] <tfinc>	 awesome
[18:45:02] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: on that note, I was wondering if I could hit Pune too :)
[18:45:03] <tfinc>	 bring friends to hack on it
[18:45:14] <yuvipanda>	 especially considering that my Undergrad project is porting Narayam to Android
[18:45:17] <tfinc>	 the language summit ?
[18:45:30] <tfinc>	 yes! mail me and i'll add you to the list
[18:45:35] <yuvipanda>	 sweet!
[18:45:40] <tfinc>	 even better. cc alolita and she'll get you in
[18:45:42] <tfinc>	 we'd love to have you there
[18:45:47] <yuvipanda>	 awesome!
[18:45:52] <tfinc>	 brion and i are planning on attending
[18:45:56] <tfinc>	 but none of the others
[18:46:05] <tfinc>	 the'll join us in bangalore
[18:46:41] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: brion's first india trip?
[18:47:52] <tfinc>	 can't recall. lets ask him on monday
[18:48:21] <yuvipanda>	 sweet!
[18:48:39] <yuvipanda>	 I think I'll have exams a bit after Bangalore, but don't have a problem skipping.
[18:48:52] <tfinc>	 just as long as you get the shiny piece of paper
[18:49:48] <yuvipanda>	 i will :)
[18:50:35] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: do you have any concrete plans / vague idea of what I'd be doing when I come back halftime in Jan?
[18:51:04] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: were schedule to have overlap with the i18n team then
[18:51:15] <tfinc>	 on keyboard input and font rendering
[18:51:25] <tfinc>	 which is right up your alley
[18:51:26] <tfinc>	 :D
[18:51:28] <yuvipanda>	 \o/
[18:51:35] <tfinc>	 how perfect is that
[18:51:38] <yuvipanda>	 very!
[18:53:06] <tfinc>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals#Mobile for the more ambitious goals that i'll be trimming down
[18:53:38] <tfinc>	 as we have *way* too many things on there
[18:54:28] <tfinc>	 the i18n work is nicely decoupled though making it ... its own unit
[18:54:39] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: hows the native vs phonegap post going?
[18:55:16] <tfinc>	 i'm eager to read it and then forward it over to @@brianleroux
[18:55:18] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: I think I've it in my head, need to put it on paper.
[18:55:44] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: tl;dr: I think we should go native.
[18:55:55] <tfinc>	 write your manifest then
[18:55:57] <yuvipanda>	 will substantiate soon :)
[18:56:05] <tfinc>	 manifesto*
[18:56:19] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: did you reach out to the creator of the winphone app?
[18:56:29] <tfinc>	 i'll do that next week
[18:56:33] <tfinc>	 ive been in retreat mode all week
[18:56:42] <tfinc>	 left on wed didn't get back home till friday night
[18:57:20] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: ah, right :)
[19:01:31] <tfinc>	 i'm enjoying my decompression time now
[19:01:59] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: btw ... i'm addicted to the nexus7
[19:02:03] <tfinc>	 can't put it down
[19:02:14] <tfinc>	 brb
[19:03:53] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: I want one! It's a pity it isn't launching in India soon enough. Might try to cajole somebody coming to Pune from the US to smuggle one in for me :)
[19:04:27] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: the tablet is the perfect 'curation' device
[19:09:13] * yuvipanda  spams awjr with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.yuvi.signpost

[19:09:28] <awjr>	 yuvipanda: AWESOME!
[19:10:58] <awjr>	 yuvipanda: for some reason im not finding when searching play from my phone
[19:11:38] <awjr>	 did you just release?
[19:12:16] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: I did it a few hours ago sitting in a bus stand :)
[19:12:20] <awjr>	 hahaha nice
[19:12:22] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: it is possible the caches haven't been refreshed yet
[19:12:33] <awjr>	 yeah, i've seen this before
[19:12:58] <awjr>	 it is ok, this is why someone invented chrome to phone
[19:14:29] <yuvipanda>	 :D
[19:15:52] <awjr>	 yuvipanda: it looks great
[19:17:29] <yuvipanda>	 \o/
[19:17:58] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: wait for Monday morning - it'll send out a push notification asking you to read the new issue :)
[19:18:04] <awjr>	 sweet!
[19:18:11] <awjr>	 i look forward to the update
[19:18:22] <yuvipanda>	 :)
[19:26:04] * yuvipanda  pokes Jarry1250 

[19:26:08] <yuvipanda>	 what timezone are you in?!
[19:26:20] <yuvipanda>	 also I got disconnected because I had to cross the road, so didn't get what you said
[19:26:37] <Jarry1250>	 Hey yuvipanda: GMT but I'm not on IRC 24/7 unlike some people :P
[19:26:51] <Jarry1250>	 Yeah, I got that from what you said in -en
[19:26:57] <Jarry1250>	 Basically, I asked if you had a Mac
[19:27:03] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: I do!
[19:27:26] <yuvipanda>	 And I also have everything setup for iOS dev (since I did work on the iOS Wikipedia app)
[19:29:50] <Jarry1250>	 yuvipanda: Ah, great. So, talking hypotheticals, if there was significant demand for an iOS app -- enough that we could raise funds to make it happen -- would you consider offers to take it on?
[19:30:56] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: interesting question. Depends on how much demand, really.
[19:31:37] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: but yes, if there's enough demand I'll definitely do it
[19:31:56] <Jarry1250>	 I mean, obviously one would try to factor in a reasonable reimbursement
[19:32:18] <Jarry1250>	 for your time.
[19:32:48] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: do you think there'll be enough demand for such a thing?
[19:33:04] <Jarry1250>	 I have no idea.
[19:33:08] <Jarry1250>	 Shall we find out?
[19:33:21] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: I would definitely do it if there is, since it'll also help me test out native Obj-C
[19:33:25] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: how do you propose to find out?
[19:34:15] <tfinc>	 back
[19:34:18] <tfinc>	 awjr: yo
[19:34:24] <awjr>	 tfinc hey!
[19:34:29] <tfinc>	 lets publicise the hell out of yuvipanda app
[19:34:30] <tfinc>	 its great
[19:34:30] <awjr>	 how's it going? how was the retreat?
[19:34:35] <awjr>	 tfinc yes
[19:34:39] <tfinc>	 awjr: man am i tired after it
[19:34:50] <tfinc>	 i'll give you guys a bigger download on tuesday/wed
[19:34:55] <awjr>	 i bet
[19:35:03] <awjr>	 and coming up next: all staff!
[19:35:27] <tfinc>	 awjr: how was the office. any burn barrels or lord of the flys while the managers were gone ? i bet you guys got way more done without us
[19:35:46] <tfinc>	 gayle confirmed the wiki loves monumnets scavenger hunt
[19:36:01] <Jarry1250>	 yuvipanda: Well, we have two options, one, we can straw poll; the other is we ride the surge of news to get a Kickstarter (or similar) project going. Obviously the latter is more risky from a PR point of view, but Kickstarter I know only chargee if it's successful, so there's not that much at stake
[19:36:14] <Jarry1250>	 (You're familiar with Kickstarter?)
[19:36:38] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: I am, but I somehow doubt this would 'fit into' Kickstarted. It's a run of the mill app :)
[19:36:44] <tfinc>	 Jarry1250: just apply for a grant
[19:36:52] <tfinc>	 to the wmf
[19:37:05] <awjr>	 tfinc heh it was pretty chill actually; we managed to pretty much get all the big stuff done for the wlm app so we should have a solid release on monday
[19:37:19] <tfinc>	 love it
[19:37:39] <tfinc>	 Jarry1250: why wouldn't you just apply for a grant?
[19:37:45] * tfinc  will have to go in 5

[19:38:30] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: plus we'll have to give something extra to the people who chip in. Kickstarted doesn't make sense for 'just another app' like these, no?
[19:38:44] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda: same question to you about a grant for this
[19:38:56] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: paperwork. I don't like paperwork.
[19:38:56] <Jarry1250>	 We'd hate it.
[19:39:01] <tfinc>	 why?
[19:39:13] <yuvipanda>	 why doesn't anyone like paperwork? same reason :)
[19:39:15] <Jarry1250>	 Because we're an independent news organisation.
[19:39:24] <tfinc>	 no .. why does Jarry1250 hate it
[19:40:03] <tfinc>	 Jarry1250: the but the signpost is not indepentantly hosted. it rides on the same infrastrcture as everything else supported by the foundatio
[19:40:05] <Jarry1250>	 Have you ever been in a "why doesn't the WMF fund the Signpost" discussion, tfinc? Things get pretty irate pretty quick.
[19:40:12] <tfinc>	 nope
[19:40:14] <tfinc>	 thats why i ask
[19:40:24] <Jarry1250>	 It's the perception.
[19:40:25] <tfinc>	 i rather be bold and suggest it then assume we can't do it
[19:40:38] * tfinc  is that kind of guy

[19:40:39] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: hmm, so if I had been doing the app on WMF's dime rather than on my free time it would've caused some unrest?
[19:40:52] <Jarry1250>	 Well yes, I focussing on the "Things get pretty irate pretty quick." part :)
[19:40:59] <Jarry1250>	 yuvipandaa: Um, potentially.
[19:41:07] <Jarry1250>	 I mean, it's all a question of perception
[19:41:07] <tfinc>	 who gets irrate? this sounds especially irrtational
[19:41:28] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: Spend some time in AN/I and related places :)
[19:42:40] <tfinc>	 AN/I ?
[19:43:18] <yuvipanda>	 tfinc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents
[19:43:44] <Jarry1250>	 Well, they're a fair few people who very strongly feel that if the Signpost accepted WMF funding, it would become the lapdog of the WMF. Now, I don't agree with that sentiment, but as someone who has been around the SP for a long time, I have to accept that any move that isolates a significant proportion of the readership, for whatever reason, is probably not in our interest.
[19:44:56] <tfinc>	 lost uppurtunity and really dissapointing to hear
[19:45:49] <tfinc>	 time for me to go
[19:45:52] <tfinc>	 keep me updated
[19:47:21] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: let's do the straw poll instead. I don't mind working as a volunteer
[19:49:54] <Jarry1250>	 yuvipanda: Well, I can't see that it's equitable that you be left out of pocket as well.
[19:50:17] <Jarry1250>	 Perhaps someone like the OKF could sponsor. These are all options
[19:51:00] <Jarry1250>	 But yes, I'm fine with straw polling
[19:51:50] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: so, I'll hopefully back in the Mobile team in Jan / Feb. So I've until Dec to do whatever volunteer stuff I want to.
[19:52:18] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: and so that's fine.
[19:52:41] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: it's just that I want to maximize the number of people who could use my stuff + the number of things I could learn
[19:52:52] <Jarry1250>	 yuvipanda: Oh, I understand perfectly :)
[19:52:54] <Jarry1250>	 I'm much the same
[19:52:59] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: \o/
[19:53:00] <Jarry1250>	 In fact, I did this very kind of thing
[19:53:20] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: when?
[19:53:24] <Jarry1250>	 That was small payment + costs, a learning experience to discover how iOS work... by building one
[19:53:32] <Jarry1250>	 *iOS apps
[19:53:52] <Jarry1250>	 Excapt that without a Mac, I had to find a guy to do it, and then tell him to do it and get him paid as well :P
[19:54:00] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: ah, that sounds like a lot of work :P
[19:54:44] <Jarry1250>	 It actually worked surprisingly well
[19:55:51] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: mine is a sortof weird case. I took a year off last year to work at a startup, then left after 5 months to join WMF, then am back to a year of mindnumbingly boring college
[19:56:19] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: so am making the best use of that by doing stuff that people will use and will teach me something
[19:56:37] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: Signpost app has taught me quite a fair bit of Android dev, so I'd consider that a success :)
[19:57:07] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: so I wouldn't mind doing an iOS app - it will teach me Objective-C. However, I do not quite like Apple's policies as a company, so that's something I'll have to consider too
[19:57:53] <Jarry1250>	 Yes, learn and costs covered. Ideal.
[19:58:27] <Jarry1250>	 Okay, so we'll straw poll, and if there's interest, we can have a look at funding options later
[19:58:32] <Jarry1250>	 Sound good?
[19:58:57] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: sounds good :) I won't do it even if it is funded if there's not enough interest - I think ego-boosting comments are more valuable than cash :D
[19:59:43] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: so, will this find a place in Monday's Signpost?
[19:59:53] <Jarry1250>	 Should be in Monday, yes.
[19:59:58] <Jarry1250>	 And yup, interest is always good :)
[20:00:23] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: can I request you to please always refer me to as YuviPanda, rather than Yuvi Panda? YuviPanda is my nick, and making that into a firstname lastname pair makes no sense :)
[20:00:46] <yuvipanda>	 it also prevents weirdness like Mr. Panda :)
[20:01:13] <Jarry1250>	 Sorry, yes, I meant to ask about that
[20:02:21] <Jarry1250>	 "Yuvi Panda" gets the most hits on Google, so I went with it :P
[20:02:24] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: my real name is Yuvaraj Pandian T, but I've gone by YuviPanda enough times that I've received even a few cheques to that name :)
[20:02:32] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: YuviPanda or Yuvi Panda is both fine :)
[20:02:35] <yuvipanda>	 Mr. Panda feels weird
[20:02:53] <Jarry1250>	 I know what your real name is, I just said I googled you <-- too stalkerish? :P
[20:02:58] <yuvipanda>	 lol
[20:02:59] <yuvipanda>	 nope :P
[20:03:09] <yuvipanda>	 if I didn't want something found, I wouldn't put it out :P
[20:03:35] <Jarry1250>	 Sure, I''ll take the the space out from now on, that's cool :)
[20:10:19] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: poke me if I could help in any way with the writing ;)
[20:11:48] <Jarry1250>	 Of course
[20:12:55] <Jarry1250>	 Sorry, was on hold to a call centre
[20:13:18] <yuvipanda>	 multitasking conversations with Indians, eh? :P
[20:13:55] <Jarry1250>	 Hehe, this was a Yank I think :)
[20:14:15] <Jarry1250>	 Here in the UK, there's been a recent trend toward Sscottish callcentres
[20:14:52] <Jarry1250>	 I was just getting used to the Indian ones :)
[20:15:44] <Jarry1250>	 But since this was Citibank, I spoke to an American instead
[20:15:53] <Jarry1250>	 Who liked prefixing everythign with "Mr Burt"
[20:15:59] <yuvipanda>	 haha!
[20:16:50] <yuvipanda>	 Jarry1250: alright, am off to sleep :D
[20:17:01] <Jarry1250>	 yuvipanda: Sure, no problem, and in case I forget
[20:17:16] <Jarry1250>	 I think it's a cool app :) Don't think I actually mentioned that
[20:17:38] <yuvipanda>	 you just did :)
[20:17:39] <yuvipanda>	 thanks!
[20:17:50] <yuvipanda>	 I hope it helps a lot more people read the Signpost :)
[20:17:56] <yuvipanda>	 and a lot more people to remember to read the Signpost ;)
[20:20:11] <yuvipanda>	 alright gnite for real
[23:01:33] <jamesgtmoore>	 hello folks
[23:02:11] <jamesgtmoore>	 I've got MobileFrontend working and I would like a little help with it please if anyone is willing.
[23:03:39] <jamesgtmoore>	 my website is futureofmankind.co.uk and it works great with mobiles but I would like to know how to create the accordion effect on the Main Page, please. Can anyone provide a link to relevant info, please?