[00:00:42] yeah [00:00:47] 9 hours, maybe. but 10?! [00:00:59] over 9 thousand hours! [00:03:37] i would watch one thousand hours, and i would watch 9 thousand more [00:03:41] da-da-DUM [00:03:46] (da-da-dum!) [00:04:00] gaah [00:09:41] here's this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_design/Sign_in [00:11:23] gawww awjr [00:11:32] ?? [00:11:50] did you just get rickrolled? [00:14:11] awjr: rebased [00:14:16] oh that [00:14:48] this is what annoys me most about things that get left for review too long [00:15:32] yeah :( [00:15:47] config changes in particular probably require poking someone to review [00:16:52] jdlrobson: merged [00:32:17] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "when stripping images respect the alt text (bug 38107)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [01:15:55] New review: Jdlrobson; "Has to be in production. Don't make me sneak it in. Just one iteration cycle... opportunity to get m..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25594 [01:32:28] New review: Jdlrobson; "Talking to Patrick his issue was pointing to YouTube.. is there.a.suitable page on commons/Wikipedia..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25594 [16:52:15] mornin [16:54:05] hey [16:59:37] awjr: hang out link please [16:59:43] tfinc: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/dfba6416e0828307b45738029440e9fdbb7c5aa7?pqs=1&authuser=1&hl=en [16:59:50] MaxSem: ^ [17:13:49] MaxSem: what was the labs instance you were talking about? [17:14:20] not instance, but a huge project of dozens of instances -- deployment-prep [17:14:34] oo [17:14:35] Hashar knows more [17:14:42] cool i'll ping him about it, thanks [17:15:26] tfinc, 337 images moved [17:15:46] chris mcmahon just sent an email to wikitech-l 'beta labs is now a fit test environment' - i presume that's something different? [17:15:49] MaxSem: ok [17:19:39] awjr, the very thing he referred to [17:19:48] MaxSem: ok cool [17:20:13] did you guys see the wikimediamobile email 'ensuring a new skin is mobile friendl'? [17:20:58] it was only a matter of time! i wonder if as we're thinking about making MF play nicely with other Mobile-specific extensions, we should do the same for skins [17:35:44] awjr: i'm picking up a Monday, Oct 1, 22:00-23:00 UTC (3pm-4pm PDT) deployment for Monday alongside tuesday per preilly [17:36:22] tfinc so we have tuesday as a fallback if something goes horribly wrong on monday? [17:36:49] preilly wanted monday as a mock deployment only to test wiki (then rollback) and then the real push on tuesday [17:38:05] makes sense [17:38:45] while we often find little mistakes on testwiki, i feel like we often dont realize something is really wrong until it's out in production though [17:39:18] perhaps we can optionally deploy to production on monday if things look really ok on test, so we can rollback in prod and fix whatever in time for a full deployment on tuesday? [17:55:22] [×] Uploaded with Android WLM App‎ (2566 F) :D [17:58:46] hello. The Android WMLMobile 1.2.4 in f-droid is using the test.wikipedia.org as an API [17:59:03] how can we make it to be build using the commons.wikimedia.org API instead ? :-] [17:59:23] I ended up with my contribs at https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hashar :-] [17:59:45] hasharHome: the problem is fixed in the play store, i thought it would've been updated in f-droid too [17:59:59] i think we need tfinc for that - i'll ping him once he's back [18:00:01] ahh maybe it need to be rebuild by them [18:00:41] will come back later on or maybe drop an email about it later [18:00:44] dinner time :-] [18:28:33] good evening are all coming for the bangalore hackathon? [18:28:45] I guess I need to transfer Hashar's pics - is it ok to run maintenace scripts on Friday? [18:29:08] notnarayan, the mobile mafia will come:) [18:29:18] superb! :) [18:29:21] :D [18:29:51] any projects/plans lined up for the hackathon? [18:29:54] how can i help? [18:30:47] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25673 [18:38:39] preilly: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/23648/ can you review again? [18:38:46] hey notnarayan! [18:39:02] hello jdlrobson [18:39:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_DevCamp_November_2012/Topics [18:39:23] :) you'd have to ask tfinc when he gets back about ways to help out pre hackathon [18:39:35] but those are the current projects - feel free to add suggestions (make sure you sign your name) [18:39:44] ah, super! will go through this. [18:41:13] ooh goodie there's a page on it now [18:42:00] so theres one http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commons_Mobile_upload_app [18:42:19] this one is interesting :) yuvipanda [18:47:28] jdlrobson: will you be working on the homepage redesign during the hackathon? [18:47:47] notnarayan: i would like to do experiments on that yes.. we should add that on the todo list [18:48:12] notnarayan: i was playing around with this - http://jonrobson.me.uk/wikipedia/explorer/#random:United%20Nations%20Appeals%20Tribunal - with the homepage in mind [18:48:33] firefox app, any ideas about this one? [18:49:16] jdlrobson: the dice idea is super! :) [18:49:33] notnarayan: preilly has been building that and rmoen is interested - I think it's basically about porting the existing app to firefox [18:50:14] ah, allright! [18:59:02] brion or jdlrobson can one of you guys poke tomasz about the wrong app version of WLM app in f-droid? i was waiting to poke him in irc but he has not been back on this am [18:59:20] awjr: haven't seen him - upstairs right now [18:59:23] kk [18:59:26] i'm not at the office, woke up super late today [18:59:53] iirc the fdroid people are maintaining their packages from our source or something [19:00:07] so i've been a bit concerned whether they've got the right versions for WLM :) [19:00:26] even if they update, do they have our final .apk or will they build from source and get the test. version again anyway? [19:00:37] hopefully they're using our .apk ... [19:00:39] eek i have no idea [19:01:11] i wish they had a better communications channel than a web forum ... [19:01:17] i didnt even know the app was up on f-droid til hashar mentioned it [19:01:23] ugh [19:01:46] back around [19:01:53] * awjr waves [19:01:57] * brion waves hashar  [19:02:01] awjr: I have added it. I should probably have warned the whole team I guess [19:02:04] * hashar waves mobile guys [19:02:11] whee [19:02:19] btw, I bought a Google Galaxy Nexus which has been recommended by several of you [19:02:21] nice phone [19:02:25] really enjoying it [19:02:28] hashar: do you know if they're taking our .apk or building themselves from our source? [19:02:29] i am very happy with mine too [19:02:42] yeah i'm pretty happy with mine; feels a little snappier with 4.1 update finally [19:02:43] brion: building themselves [19:02:50] ok then… that could be a problem ;) [19:02:52] let me find out the sha1 [19:03:18] yeah for next year we are totally doing a runtime test switch [19:03:32] the compile-time tweak is too fragile and easy to mess up :( [19:03:34] Their repository is git://gitorious.org/f-droid/fdroiddata.git , file is metadata/org.wikipedia.wlm.txt [19:03:36] i wonder how htey're selecting what to build? [19:03:58] they use version 12 , tag v1.2.4 [19:04:32] so they need to do two things: a) update to 1.2.5 and b) apply the config patch when building [19:04:39] ack! [19:04:49] or… if we have an appropriate release tag that includes the tweaked config then we can just say 'use that tag' [19:04:56] oh [19:04:57] * brion checks tags [19:04:59] when the 1.2.4 build was fixed, the tag did not get updated [19:05:04] there is apparently a 1.2.5, version 13 [19:05:12] though it is marked !source code not published. No idea what it means [19:05:15] will ask them [19:06:03] i don't see a v1.2.5 tag [19:06:08] me neither [19:06:12] perhaps they are future-proofing themselves [19:06:13] strange [19:06:20] ack where did jon go [19:06:20] might be [19:06:37] * awjr flashes the bat-jon signal [19:06:50] v1.2.3-1 tag includes the commons.wikimedia.org in the config, that's good sign [19:06:59] yeah, all the other tags should be right [19:07:11] i was very careful to make sure the tags were pointing to the right remote branch for production apks [19:07:12] we lost jdlrobson, d'oh [19:07:20] but jon handled the 1.2.4 release since i was sick [19:07:33] did you do the 1.2.5 or did jon do that one too? [19:07:50] i did not, im not seeing 1.2.5 tag in github [19:07:55] * awjr checks local clone [19:08:10] may be another thing we have to add to the release directions [19:08:44] yeah im not seeing 1.2.5 tag [19:09:27] brion it's already in the releaes instrux, but it could probably be a lot clearer [19:09:30] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/HowToReleaseAnApp [19:09:41] ok jon's probably eating lunch, we'll poke him when he returns [19:10:31] in other news, hashar i heard you're the one to talk to about the beta labs setup? [19:10:39] awjr: indeed [19:11:03] * chrismcmahon eavesdrops [19:11:35] hashar do you know if the mobile varnish cluster is set up in beta labs? [19:11:42] it is not setup [19:12:02] hashar: it would be really awesome to get it set up so we can do mobile testing there [19:12:30] awjr: indeed, but I am probably not going to be the one setting it up :-] [19:12:46] hashar: heh ok - do you know who might be able to help with that? [19:14:07] kind of in a conf call right now [19:14:22] hashar: no worries [19:14:24] awjr: would you mind dropping me an email about it and or filling a bug requesting a mobile frontend on beta ? [19:14:29] would handle it on monday [19:14:31] hashar: sure thing [19:14:33] thank you :) [19:14:53] we might want to have ops involved instead of me since I barely know the whole infra hehe [19:15:04] definitely [19:15:26] i have a pretty good idea of how things are set up in production, but it's not trivial. [19:16:49] i'd love to see docs on it, i'm pretty vague on the actual setup :) [19:17:10] brion preilly might be able to point you to some [19:17:37] although i think they might be kinda scattered in different places [19:17:46] awjr: at one point maplebed was doing work along those lines in beta labs, but I'm not sure who in ops took over that role [19:18:20] * chrismcmahon might be mistaken, but that's how I recall it [19:18:27] chrismcmahon: ah ok. my guess is binasher is probably the expert [19:19:29] New review: awjrichards; "This appears to address the issues in the first patchset as far as i can tell. However, if you click..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [19:19:54] awjr: if you make a Bugzilla ticket for that, could you add me on it? [19:20:10] chrismcmahon: you got it [19:21:02] cc me too for info :) [19:22:34] hashar: did you get your question about WLM 1.2.4 answered ? [19:23:10] kind of, not really paying attention I am in a conf call [19:23:51] hashar: new version has already been released http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/Release_history#Wiki_Loves_Monuments . its up to date in the play store [19:23:59] it was released monday of this week [19:24:16] tfinc it seems the 1.2.4 tag in github is still pointing to the testwiki version, and it sounds like f-droid is building apks from our git tags [19:24:42] we don't have a 1.2.5 tag atm [19:24:55] john didn't create a 1.2.5 tag? [19:25:14] either it didn't get created or it didn't get pushed properly [19:25:40] hashar, chrismcmahon: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40605 i cc'd you guys [19:25:42] i'll mail him [19:26:09] done [19:26:26] reminds me i have to add win8 directions to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/HowToReleaseAnApp [19:26:39] i'm stepping out for lunch [19:27:16] hashar, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=Hashar&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= [19:27:48] 63 more pics [19:43:29] MaxSem: oh my god you are my hero!!! [19:43:36] MaxSem: Kudos for that a lot [19:43:37] \O/ [19:48:22] New review: Brion VIBBER; "It looks like some sort of JavaScript is preventing the final link-through to the image on the file ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [19:53:27] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Ah, we're preventing clickthrough since that's confusing when you *do* show the image..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [20:05:23] awjr: should I open a bug about v1.2.4 using the test.wikipedia.org by default ? [20:10:00] New review: Jdlrobson; "If file page AND images off don't scrub images" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [20:11:13] awjr: can you share the hangout with me? [20:11:17] i'm in r37 but no one else is [20:11:23] tfinc: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/cca831a381b234d654271a62e18cc56a0579825e [20:23:43] [WLMMobile] jdlrobson tagged v1.2.5 at 986cee7: http://git.io/_odsjQ [20:23:43] [WLMMobile/v1.2.5] RELEASE 1.2.5 - jdlrobson [20:24:47] tfinc: done [20:25:05] tfinc: ^ [20:30:49] jdlrobson2: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Math-noimages.png <- here's an example where forcing the image replacements to display:block seems a bit off [20:32:54] New review: Brion VIBBER; "https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Math-noimages.png <- here's an example where forcing the image r..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [20:54:37] brion: down in a bit [21:02:21] ahh tfinc jdlrobson2 you are awesome. Thanks for the v1.2.5 :) [21:02:27] f-droid users are going to be happy [21:02:31] (aka that is mostly me I think) [21:02:36] \o/ haah [21:02:48] I am passing the news to the #fdroid folks :-) [21:02:51] hashar: your welcome [21:07:02] awjr: brion will look at comments around image replacement alt text in a bit [21:08:03] merge request submitted as https://gitorious.org/f-droid/fdroiddata/merge_requests/74 :-] [21:08:11] seriously, you guys rock [21:10:07] whee [21:14:34] hashar: and were just starting to gain velocity ;) [21:14:43] be afraid once were moving at full speed [21:15:31] implementing all the features? [21:16:31] Reedy: all the features that make sense ;) [21:16:34] tfinc: I have opened a few bugs so you can accelerate again :-) [21:16:45] excellent. thanks for those [21:17:09] I am doing a training tomorrow morning [21:17:14] with a local photographer club [21:17:24] will be presenting commons and the WLMMobile app :D [21:17:32] it makes me happy to still see this up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fireman%27s_Drinking_Fountain_2012-09-11_20-37-10.jpg [21:17:45] hashar: fantastic. make sure they know about the end of the contest [21:17:51] lol [21:18:44] tfinc: sep 30th isn't it ? [21:18:59] yes [21:19:25] I will tell them to upload their pictures Sunday :-) [21:24:46] I suppose I should run the latest migraton minutes before 0:00 October 1st? [21:24:54] (UTC) [21:25:20] this is a nice catalog http://libreprojects.net/ [21:25:23] so f-droid will update WLMMobile to 1.2.5 tomorrow :) [21:25:25] MaxSem: yes [21:25:48] will the app still work after the end of the contest ? [21:25:50] i found that site while looking a pull request for a js emulator that i've been watchign [21:26:05] hashar: it'll be decommissioned mid october [21:26:14] fine [21:26:24] we should consider writing a Wikimedia Commons application [21:26:38] that is a really nice way to upload stuff [21:26:45] totally [21:27:09] hashar: thats our net step. we'll be pro typing it here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_DevCamp_November_2012 [21:27:21] hashar: as you can see here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_DevCamp_November_2012/Topics [21:27:25] it could let us load pics from the sd card, propose a map to geolocalise them, ask for some categories, and one click to common :-] [21:27:26] yuvi has already started work on one [21:27:46] hashar: you should come join us in bangalore [21:27:52] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commons_Mobile_upload_app yeahhhhhhh [21:28:52] tfinc: got to take care of my little daughter and I am sure you will have enough people with nice ideas :-D [21:29:02] next time then [21:29:18] hashar: WLM was our pilot project to better understand commons uploads [21:29:30] we'll be doing some analysis next to find out what worked/didn't [21:29:35] ahhh kind of a proof of concept so ? [21:29:41] and see how we can reach our goal of 1000 mobile uploads a month [21:29:43] yes [21:29:45] exactly [21:29:50] I will make sure to give you feedback following the training I am doing tomorrow [21:29:58] we needed a focused project to try out some of our ideas [21:30:00] I plan to use the app with my wife in the afternoon too [21:30:01] WLM was perfect for it [21:30:06] great [21:30:07] (I actually bought a new phone to use WLMMobile hehe) [21:30:13] nifty! [21:30:55] so now I am sleeping. Enjoy the friday evening drinks and have all a nice week-end! [21:32:21] see hashar [21:32:23] seeya* [21:47:17] awjr: google calendar now allows you to attach hangouts to invites. can you get rachel to add a hangout for each of our meetings? [21:47:23] with that in place you'll never have to send out a link [21:52:56] MaxSem: awjr brion : what's the best way to get the language so i can fix MaxSem's issue with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/23648/2/includes/HtmlFormatter.php ? [21:53:12] inContentLanguage() [21:53:20] thanks MaxSem [21:53:51] yep [21:54:28] tfinc sure [21:54:41] MaxSem: is there a global equivalent of that that I can access in HtmlFormatter/ [21:54:49] brion is there a standard user-facing date format used in MW? [21:55:31] $context->getLanguage()->formatDate() or something like that [21:55:53] jdlrobson2, it's a Message method:) [21:55:58] awjr: date format is a user option, you can get at the default options per above something like that [21:56:18] ahha ok that makes sense, thanks! [22:03:10] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "only remove images if not on file page" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25709 [22:03:10] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "when stripping images respect the alt text (bug 38107)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [22:03:18] MaxSem: brion awjr ^ [22:03:36] * brion read that as "only remove images if page not on fire" [22:06:18] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks good, seems to work!" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25709 [22:08:18] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks good; issue with file pages is fixed by follow-up." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [22:08:53] i think we have to scrub preilly's -2 to merge it [22:18:57] Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25709 [22:18:57] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23648 [22:19:02] there we go [22:19:07] jdlrobson2, brion ^ [22:19:09] whee [22:36:08] whoop! We almost have meta data on wikipedia contact us page! [22:37:35] (by that i mean once we do our next deployment we will be able to tell what page the user came from and whether they are using the app or mobile site) [22:38:20] it's half implemented at the moment in that referring page and app or site field are being currently sent blank [22:49:38] \o/ [23:02:13] tfinc: I just fixed the STC font size issue with new patchset: preilly; "custom font size for Saudi Telecom" [mediawiki/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25714 [23:02:18] nice [23:06:23] tfinc: I sent Amit and Dan a screen shot of the iOS simulator showing the new smaller font for STC [23:06:47] preilly: nice. i have a feeling that this backlog will drop very quickly [23:06:52] nothing seems that serious so far [23:06:58] tfinc: yeah it sure will