[00:29:17] * awjr is waiting to watch everyone fall off the network [00:35:44] this internet outage was clearly a ruse [00:36:07] designed to get us all out of the office so the c-levels could have a rager [00:36:24] hahaha [00:36:28] that… would be very entertaining [00:36:37] i'm not falling for it! [00:53:21] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "refactor css using variables to make margins consistent" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27490 [00:53:21] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "use .border-radius mix-in" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27491 [00:58:35] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "generate mf-toggle.css via the Makefile" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27493 [00:58:36] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "generate new mf-toggle.css" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27494 [00:58:36] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "remove summary screen flash" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27495 [03:24:50] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "refactor css using variables to make margins consistent" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27490 [14:56:36] Warning: parse_url(/w/index.php?title=ASmkhaledG://Www.Com.*123*0577777777&renderZeroRatedBanner=true&renderwarning=yes&returnto=http%3 [14:56:36] A%2F%2Far.m.wikipedia.org%2F) [function.parse-url]: Unable to parse URL in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf1/extensions/ZeroR [14:56:37] atedMobileAccess/ZeroRatedMobileAccess.body.php on line 246 [16:01:55] The "WikiLoves Monuments Mobile" product in Bugzilla: Is that only for the app itself, or also about backends on the server? [16:02:09] asking as the naming is inconsistent compared to "Wikipedia App"/"Wiktionary App" products [16:24:23] andre__, server side is "Monuments database" [16:24:52] MaxSem, ah, thanks for clarifying [16:28:26] and you have a wrong cloak, andre__ :P [16:29:14] MaxSem, once my cloak request to WMF is processed I might do better :P [16:29:31] it's not wrong though, it's just "also true" :) [17:03:27] jerith: vumi-metrics should be building now [17:30:39] Maryana: what is the current status around https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/202 ? [17:32:12] Maryana: also, https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/183 still has very unclear acceptance criteria - how is it in ready for dev? [17:33:25] brion are you currently working on one of the story cards? [17:33:48] awjr: cleaning up a bug in the responsive images card [17:33:57] brion groovy [17:34:45] awjr: not sure what you're looking for on the visual changes [17:35:06] i can have munaf list them out in the a.c. in the card, but it seems pretty redundant, given that he links to them [17:36:34] Maryana: oh i see; what i dont see in that specification though is 'color of chrome' [17:36:43] ah [17:36:45] gotcha [17:36:51] talking w/munaf now [17:38:09] good catch - that's still being discussed by design, so it should get cut from the card [17:41:16] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27490 [17:41:58] awjr: better? https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/183 [17:42:23] Maryana: yeah thanks :) [17:42:39] awjr: Are you still updating the api? [17:42:51] I cleaned up a lot of Poland, but I don't see it show up [17:44:23] multichill: no, we have not been [17:44:33] Isn't that automatic? [17:44:55] awjr: we talked about the logged in instructional notifications on tuesday and decided on provisionally going with an overlay in the first iteration [17:44:56] well i suppose that depends on what exactly you're referring to [17:45:01] just made that clear in the a.c. [17:45:09] multichill: ^^ [17:45:15] Maryana: ok will take a look shortly [17:45:25] http://toolserver.org/~erfgoed/api/api.php?action=adminlevels&format=json&admtree=pl and http://wlm.wikimedia.org/api/api.php?action=adminlevels&format=json&admtree=pl [17:45:27] multichill: are you talking about db updates for the monuments? [17:45:38] yeah, the db updates were never made automatic [17:46:11] we were trying to but could not get signoff from operations on any of our approaches [17:46:26] You can do a manual update? [17:46:42] it is possible, yes [17:47:23] multichill: are you asking us to update the db on our api server? [17:47:48] I'm not sure when the last update was, but I'm pretty sure things have improved ;-) [17:49:44] MaxSem: when you have the chance can you update the wlm db on the api server? [17:50:40] awjr, I received a killed query notification today - is the TS copy alright at all? [17:50:54] multichill: ^ [17:51:59] anyone free to help me with some login related stuff - i need to detect error states [17:52:04] bit too much php for me [17:52:06] MaxSem: Hmm, yes, something went wrong, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Monuments_database/Statistics&action=history didn't get updated [17:52:07] jdlrobson: sure [17:52:18] jdlrobson: whatchoo need? [17:52:24] Maybe better to wait adn see if tomorrow completes [17:52:30] so I'm rendering the login [17:52:37] and I'm detecting a post via $wasPosted = $request->wasPosted(); [17:52:46] I want to detect if an error occurred [17:52:51] e.g. username and password was incorrect [17:53:13] can i see your code so far? [17:53:25] i assume you're not using the api, correct? [17:53:55] sure let me send it to gerrit [17:53:56] 1s [17:54:35] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "TODO: add login to left menu and style existing login page" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26492 [17:54:39] awjr: ^ [17:54:53] in particular = https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/26492/4/includes/MobileFrontend.body.php [17:55:52] New review: Jdlrobson; "not finished" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26492 [17:57:31] jdlrobson, I thought we all agreed that we should build upon the existing login page, not discard it [17:57:43] jdlrobson: we had discussed using the existing login functionality in mw [17:57:46] oh [17:57:48] jinx MaxSem [17:58:14] to be fair that is entirely unclear in the story [17:58:23] awjr: MaxSem this was how brion started it [17:58:41] oh actually it is in the story [17:58:44] well, renderLogin() was there before him [17:58:48] my current focus is on the css [17:59:01] it was already there yeah [17:59:02] if someone wants to reorganize it that's fine [17:59:08] we can reorg it into a proper template etc [17:59:19] ok [17:59:26] yeah - there's the hook in SpecialUserLogin that allows us to hijack the template [17:59:30] if I finish off what I've done here can I pass that to someone more suitable? [17:59:38] jdlrobson: yeah i can take that [17:59:45] ok perfect - let me just do the translation stuff [18:00:02] and I'll send it with TODO notes in the places that need attention [18:00:20] sounds good :) [18:01:50] ok responsive images now merges and passes test cases: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/24115/ [18:02:01] brion awesome!!!!! [18:02:03] i'll take a look [18:02:18] whee [18:02:30] i wish there was an easy way to diff patchsets [18:02:33] in gerrit [18:04:16] here's the diff: https://gist.github.com/3874361 [18:04:26] had to special-case the 'frame' case [18:04:58] watching usertesting.com tests of ribbon nav/lang. selector. it's brutal, you guys. [18:05:03] oh fancy, thanx brion [18:05:11] this lady went all the way to wiktionary to try to find the article in a different language [18:05:14] * Maryana headdesks [18:05:17] Maryana: brutal bad? [18:05:20] … yeah [18:05:23] nm you just answered that [18:05:27] no bueno [18:05:45] doesn't help that there's a bug that freezes the tab up top, so it doesn't follow the user down the page [18:06:14] Maryana: i hadn't noticed that behavior - what os? [18:06:43] android 2.3 and iphone [18:07:23] Maryana, can we see these? [18:08:00] yeah, you totally should! it's very eye-opening [18:08:09] does the team have usertesting.com access? [18:08:13] awjr? [18:08:24] good question [18:08:31] tfinc would know [18:08:37] i think i have an account from fundraising [18:09:48] hmm or not [18:09:57] if you email rachel farrand, she should be able to add you to the mobile team [18:10:12] seriously, we should all get together and watch these on a big screen [18:11:01] Maryana: do you need an account to watch the videos? [18:11:31] yeah, although we've been asking all our testers if they're comfy having these published on the web, and they seem fine w/it [18:12:06] i haven't used usertesting before, but it looks like there's also a "highlights reel" feature that lets you put together a bunch of clips [18:12:15] it'll be like america's saddest home videos [18:13:43] aww [18:13:55] i just sent an email to tomasz and rachel about accounts [18:14:40] sweet [18:16:05] the good news is, left nav is super discoverable! [18:16:17] damn you, facebook [18:16:27] you're in everybody's head [18:20:20] yay [18:20:44] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/183 seems a little unclear to me. comments mention color changes but there's no color changes in the jsfiddle link [18:20:57] also acceptance criteria say 'everything specified in ems' which…. strikes me as odd [18:21:06] and is at odds with the jsfiddle link where everything's defined in points [18:24:26] Maryana: ^ [18:24:54] im having a weird problem running unit tests [18:25:01] awjrichards@ubuntu:/mnt/hgfs/testing/core/tests/phpunit$ make phpunit [18:25:01] php phpunit.php --configuration /mnt/hgfs/testing/core/tests/phpunit/suite.xml [18:25:01] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '*' in /mnt/hgfs/testing/core/maintenance/Maintenance.php on line 1304 [18:25:01] make: *** [phpunit] Error 255 [18:25:08] that is from master [18:25:17] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "add login to left menu and style existing login page" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26492 [18:25:20] brion: on it. will clarify. [18:25:22] awjr: done ^ i've left relevant TODO notes [18:25:25] thx Maryana [18:25:34] jdlrobson: awesome [18:26:03] also can someone merge w [18:26:06] https://gerrit.ikimedia.org/r/#/c/27493/ [18:26:23] actually https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/27495/ [18:26:27] (the others are dependencies [18:26:52] gerrit is down? [18:26:55] also bit confused what is going on here - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/27491/ [18:27:00] gerrit works for me [18:27:24] now it works [18:27:49] jdlrobson: needs a rebase [18:28:02] it depends on the first patchset of the other commit, not the second [18:28:17] brion: better? https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/183 [18:28:25] i'll rebase then [18:28:43] Maryana: what should use ems, exactly? [18:28:46] design backpedaled on the full specs :-/ [18:28:50] :) [18:28:59] i'm guessing jdlrobson added that [18:29:19] * brion eyes jdlrobson suspiciously [18:29:21] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "use .border-radius mix-in" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27491 [18:29:22] jdlrobson: points vs. ems, care to comment? [18:29:42] * awjr slaps phpunit [18:30:02] Maryana: points are absolute, ems are relative [18:30:19] we are currently using ems throughout site to support better zooming and browser font size support [18:30:40] so we want to… keep doing that? [18:30:43] yes [18:30:44] or change it? [18:30:45] ok [18:30:50] got it [18:30:51] we can make it look the same [18:30:59] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27491 [18:31:02] it's just a calculation based on the default front size [18:31:19] * Maryana copies and pastes this into the mingle card [18:31:46] brion im having trouble running phpunit tests - it keeps giving me syntax errors on lines of files that don't exist [18:31:47] is someone working on that story? [18:31:48] eg awjrichards@ubuntu:/mnt/hgfs/testing/core/tests/phpunit$ make phpunit [18:31:48] php phpunit.php --configuration /mnt/hgfs/testing/core/tests/phpunit/suite.xml [18:31:48] PHP Warning: Unterminated comment starting line 308 in /mnt/hgfs/testing/core/includes/Defines.php on line 308 [18:31:48] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '*' in /mnt/hgfs/testing/core/includes/Defines.php on line 309 [18:31:48] make: *** [phpunit] Error 255 [18:31:51] I was going to grab munaf [18:31:56] brion do you have any ideas? [18:32:00] preilly: Thanks. [18:32:02] whafu [18:32:21] * jerith will be home soonish. [18:32:24] he's up here on 6 if you want to chat [18:32:36] yup i'll head up.. provided no one else is working on it! [18:32:36] that is from a checkout of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/24115/16 but i also experience something similar in master, though the syntax error is in Maintenance.php [18:32:40] on a nonexistent line [18:33:37] that's weird… i don't seem to get that [18:33:47] maybe my phpunit is borked :/ [18:33:57] though i do get lots of test fails and some notices about obsolete hooks [18:34:14] at least you get legitimate output :) [18:38:13] New review: Jdlrobson; "see TODO notes in commit message" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26492 [18:47:38] brion: this makes even less sense to me [18:47:39] awjrichards@ubuntu:/mnt/hgfs/testing/core/tests/phpunit$ php -l ../../maintenance/Maintenance.php [18:47:39] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '*' in ../../maintenance/Maintenance.php on line 1304 [18:47:39] Errors parsing ../../maintenance/Maintenance.php [18:48:00] yeah that seems… messed up [18:48:08] sure there's no merge conflict errors or anything in those files? [18:51:34] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "ensure left nav always takes up full screen" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27557 [18:53:03] New patchset: Brion VIBBER; "Changing font styles/sizes to match Munaf's recommendation, but using ems instead of pts" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27558 [18:54:00] i'm not satisfied with the font thing though [18:54:07] the larger body font seems too big [19:01:21] Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27557 [19:04:53] huh my phpunit problems seem to be related to running phpunit in a VM with the files on a remote share form the host os. running the tests on a checkout natively in the VM seems fine. super weird. [19:05:08] funky [19:17:54] brion with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/24115/16 im getting a lot of failed tests. 23, actually and it looks like 21 of them are parsertests, eg http://pastebin.com/KVM3Zxyj [19:24:04] jerith: are you able to access vumi-metrics okay now? [19:25:54] preilly: Haven't looked yet. Just eating supper and watching an old PyCon talk about parsing wikitext. [19:26:42] jerith: okay well let me know if you have any issues accessing it I mean it's not like it's 9:26pm Thursday (SAST) for you or anything [19:28:46] jerith@vumi-metrics:~$ [19:28:47] \o/ [19:28:55] jerith: sweet [19:29:05] jerith: thanks for confirming that you can access it [19:29:20] preilly: This is probably going to be a weekend project for me. :-/ [19:29:29] jerith: okay cool [19:29:37] jerith: let me know if you need anything at all [19:29:42] Will do. [19:29:47] Thanks for your help. [19:30:06] jerith: no problem [19:37:30] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27493 [19:37:50] Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27495 [19:37:50] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27494 [19:41:24] awjr: weird… jenkins claims tests passed... [19:41:32] jenkins! [19:41:40] maybe jenkins doesnt run parser tests? [19:42:04] or i have something improperly configured [19:42:27] it…. should i think :P [19:42:43] yeah, i would think so too [19:43:17] are they all passing for you locally? [19:44:05] trying unit tests with some extensions disabled... [19:44:08] lots of mystery Es [19:44:28] won't know what they are for a few more minutes [19:44:29] :P [19:45:20] all parser tests pass on tests/parserTests.php [19:45:51] hmm [19:47:40] lots of whinging about runLegacyHooks [19:48:43] no parser test fails i see [19:50:33] i wonder if something is borked in my configuration, but from the code it looks like the only thing that i should need for the link transofmration is $wgResponsiveImages [19:50:53] hang on, im running tests again, i'll send you output [19:51:57] i think sometimes i've seen weird things get stuck in memcached…. dunno [19:52:10] ah i do have memchaced enabled locally [19:53:59] brion: even with memcached disabled in my localsettings im still getting the errors [19:55:30] brion: http://pastebin.com/REbmH62g [19:56:42] awjr: to double-check: is imagemagick or php-gd enabled? [19:56:55] ah probably not [19:56:57] it looks like it might be falling back to no-scaling [19:57:12] though i've turned scaling on in the tests now, it might fail if it doesn't detect a scaler [19:57:16] is that something i need to enable in MW or is having the php lib enough? [19:57:26] it should auto detect gd if it's present in the php config [19:57:37] awjr: we've got a prioritization meeting i a couple mins right? [19:57:44] brion yeah [19:57:48] spiff [19:57:54] ok install gd [19:58:41] looks like tests are passing :) [19:58:58] \o/ yayyyy [19:59:03] ok that's one mystery solved [19:59:06] yep, all passed :D [19:59:07] thansk [19:59:08] er [19:59:09] thanks [20:00:02] ok im gonna do it! [20:00:12] * brion holds breath [20:00:52] awjr: i'm working from home office so i'll need the hangout link when you're ready [20:00:56] Maryana, brion: there's no hangout link in the invite, so https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/14b5fac3cbb9328447594c97ffd6d05973bd2cbe?pqs=1&authuser=0&hl=en [20:01:13] \o/ awjrichards: Verified; Looks good to me, approved [20:01:23] kk [20:01:36] brion: please, start to breath properly, we need you [20:01:41] heh [20:01:59] argh camera not working brb [20:04:13] er brion: hangout link? [20:04:53] ah nm found it [20:06:39] whee https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27610 [20:10:09] awesome [20:25:35] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "move ribbon related variables to mf-variables.less" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27613 [20:25:36] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "add escapeOverlay class to back button on search and navigation" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27614 [20:25:36] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "make mf-mixins.less inherit mf-variables.less" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27615 [20:25:36] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "refactor mf-header.css for beta into mf-search.css" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27616 [20:35:26] awjr: forwarded you a mail [20:35:29] (for login story) [20:43:12] jdlrobson [20:43:18] i heard you stopped by? [20:44:51] hey Munaf yeh I'll be up in a bit if you are free [20:45:00] i am for about 15 mins [20:46:37] jdlrobson: im not seeing the email [20:46:57] jdlrobson: what is the subjecT? [20:47:31] whoops awjr forwarded it to your gmail by accident [20:47:37] ahha! [20:47:38] no worirdes [20:47:45] or worries, for that matter [20:48:07] jdlrobson: yeah found it [20:48:27] runnin out for a sammich, back soon [21:14:30] hi tfinc [21:14:41] aharoni: hey amir [21:15:04] i see that somebody already tried to make some mobile work on the Urdu WP main page [21:15:08] but it was wrong :) [21:15:39] aharoni: yup.i failed [21:15:42] and need your help [21:15:46] Oh :) [21:15:48] urdu is not my specialty [21:16:10] ah, and you have permissions. I don't. [21:21:31] meh. Urdu fonts are so broken on Ubuntu. At least the default ones. [21:24:41] and it doesn't get better after installing the language pack :( [21:30:51] aharoni: do you have NafeesWeb.ttf installed? [21:31:02] yes [21:31:20] configured it manually as my Arabic font in Firefox, and it's a bit more readable. [21:31:56] New review: Jdlrobson; "Global things such as font sizes should be set in mf-variables.less" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27558 [21:31:56] you might also want asunaskh.ttf [21:32:21] Reading Urdu for me is a bit like reading Hungarian for you: I know the letters, and some words look kinda familiar, because they are Arabic, but mostly it's meaningless. [21:32:33] I'm trying to understand where's the featured article template. [21:33:24] brion: mind if I take over https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/27558/1 - I wanted to talk to munaf anyway around the use of less anyway and he's upstairs [21:33:30] jdlrobson: go for it [21:33:40] i'm diving into resource loader :) [21:33:48] sweet [21:33:49] there be dragons here [21:41:48] tfinc, here's the featured article template: https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%86%DB%81:%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%86%DA%AF-%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%85 [21:43:51] can you try editing it and adding the needed id there? [21:44:03] I don't have the permission. [21:48:26] hmm .. i'll try after i finish this call [21:48:55] Maryana: im looking at the user testing videos - one dude figured out the language selector! but he's not happy about it. [21:48:59] tfinc, ok, ask me for help if i'm still online [21:53:32] awjr: he's edited wikipedia before, too [21:53:36] so he's not a typical reader [21:53:56] ahha [21:54:05] he struggled with finding it [21:54:13] but found it pretty quick [21:54:30] everyone looked for it at the bottom of the article [21:54:36] trouble finding the ribbon or trouble finding the language icon once it was open? [21:54:42] interesting [21:54:42] ribbon [21:54:57] but even once it was open he wasn't sure about the button [21:56:10] one thing i don't like about the ribbon is there's no place for labels, and you can't do tooltips on touch [21:56:15] so the icons have to stand alone [21:56:36] totally [21:57:00] i understand the logical separation of the nav from the ribbon, but folks also consistently looked in the nav for language seletion [21:58:12] yep. i think we're going to have to work on the language selection thing. i'm adding a card to the backlog on putting it in the footer, where everybody seems to want to find it [21:58:33] that's where interwiki links would be in desktop, roughly speaking [21:58:40] i wonder if putting a '<' on the ribbon (rather than ':') would make it more obvious [21:58:46] maybe... [21:59:31] i dunno, UI is so not my thing. if i had my way everything would be black with green text [21:59:57] or we could have a similar menu on the right for 'content' actions and go back to sticky nav to keep the navs always accessible [22:00:58] preilly: is .mwm-notice used anywhere in mobile? Also I'm assuming h3#sopa-notice is no longer necessary (context = cleaning up common css file) [22:01:00] brion: that sounds like a really good idea [22:01:27] jdlrobson: I'm not 100% sure about .mwm-notice [22:01:34] k [22:01:34] brion: yeah, munaf mocked up something like that [22:01:42] i might remove it from beta to see if there is any damage [22:01:44] in general, i think the search bar is the main navigation element that people notice [22:01:55] jdlrobson: extensions/MobileFrontend/includes/specials/SpecialMobileFeedback.php:261: $out->addHtml( "

[22:02:27] Maryana: what browser [22:02:32] this is crucial [22:02:38] was it sticky nav or non-sticky nav [22:02:46] ios & android [22:02:52] yeh but what version [22:02:54] i wonder also if we could stick more icons in there, have a search icon that expands into a search bar… but small icons leaves us back to the ribbon can't tell what these icons are problem :) [22:02:56] this is crucial information [22:02:59] android 2.3 [22:03:03] iphone 6 [22:03:04] android 2.3 = no sticky nav [22:03:08] iPhone 6 = sticky nav [22:03:15] did iPhone 6 user do better than android 2.3? [22:03:27] he was the guy who found the ribbon [22:03:29] so yeah :) [22:03:32] heh [22:04:04] there we go [22:04:07] +1 for sticky navigation [22:04:13] but i'd take these user tests with a pinch of salt [22:04:24] i don't think they are useful - but that's a story for another time [22:04:39] when we get ori-l 's logging in place we can get more useful ideas [22:04:42] have you watched them? [22:04:47] not these ones [22:04:51] but i've watched ones in the past [22:04:58] i don't think they encapsulate the average user [22:05:11] also the average user doesn't have a script [22:05:12] jdlrobson: iPhone 6?!? [22:05:17] for these 2 reasons i dislike them [22:05:25] preilly: just copying Maryana ;-) [22:05:26] iOS 6 :) [22:05:30] watch these ones. i wrote the script, so they're better :) [22:05:41] yeah, sorry, that's what i meant [22:05:45] but Maryana my issue is with the existence of the script [22:05:49] seekrit new release iphone! [22:06:03] jdlrobson: sure, they're bad at testing for user interest [22:06:06] Maryana: I thought maybe I missed a new product release it's been a couple of weeks [22:06:18] For example you can give me a script to change language - but I never use language variants so you wouldn't gain useful information [22:06:24] but the fact that people can't find or use features that they're specifically instructed to find and use..? not so good [22:06:31] If I am used to switching language variants I am more likely to be aware of certain patterns [22:06:38] but i do know that if you were to use it, you wouldn't know how :) [22:06:56] anyway.. this rant is for another time - i need to do some work [22:07:03] but please take it with a pinch of salt :) [22:07:05] it's cool, i share some of your concerns [22:07:17] pinch or grain? [22:07:28] rock salt [22:09:30] jdlrobson: when will you be back to work post-india? [22:09:42] * jdlrobson looks at calendar [22:09:53] * preilly shakes magic eight ball [22:09:58] did i add it to the calendar? [22:10:02] hahaha [22:10:28] jdlrobson: if you did i cant find it [22:10:34] * preilly Ask again later…. [22:10:51]