[00:04:38] <tfinc>	 awjr: this is starting to look more like a real presentation
[00:04:50] <awjr>	 tfinc yeah, it's getting there :)
[00:05:11] <awjr>	 it just needs a few more pictures of kittens and i think we're good to go
[00:05:37] <tfinc>	 awjr: whats a good image for decentralized releases ?
[00:05:46] <awjr>	 @_@
[00:13:43] <tfinc>	 awjr: your slides need a lot more kittens and less text
[00:13:48] <tfinc>	 your kittens to txt ration is off
[00:13:55] <tfinc>	 ratio*
[00:14:22] <awjr>	 tfinc lulz you're telling me. im first just flushing out the concepts before i make them pretty
[00:14:32] <tfinc>	 lolz vs txt
[00:14:40] <tfinc>	 i just need the final ones for MW
[00:14:46] <tfinc>	 any ideas ?
[00:14:46] <awjr>	 lolz will probably come tomorrow
[00:15:26] <awjr>	 tfinc anything in particular?
[00:15:46] <tfinc>	 i've taken each of my summary slides and turned it into images
[00:15:52] <tfinc>	 slide 35 has three bullet points
[00:15:53] <tfinc>	 that need visuals
[00:16:21] <awjr>	 nothing jumps to mind, i'll let you know if i think of something
[00:16:42] <tfinc>	 i'm going to share this with mel so that she has the link in hand
[00:16:45] <tfinc>	 as i'm feeling pretty good about it
[00:17:10] <awjr>	 that's fine with me - just let her know we're still working on it
[00:17:20] <tfinc>	 "Here is our fist pass ... we'll keep iterating on it "
[00:17:26] <awjr>	 perefect
[00:17:44] <awjr>	 im hoping to be done before the deployment tomorrow as i wont have any real time to set aside after that
[00:17:47] <tfinc>	 i wish i had an actually civicrm meet up photo
[00:18:02] <awjr>	 tfinc ask katie
[00:18:11] <tfinc>	 awjr: do any of my images/slides fail at what were trying to get across ?
[00:21:09] <awjr>	 heh the meetups photo almost looks like a seance or something
[00:21:14] <tfinc>	 :)
[00:21:44] <awjr>	 i think they're good tfinc
[00:21:47] <tfinc>	 k
[00:22:00] <tfinc>	 i'll finish it tomorrow then
[00:22:05] <awjr>	 groovy
[00:37:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: JGonera; "There's a problem with performance. If you keep clicking "Try again", after 10-20 times it gets real..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32560
[00:45:22] <tfinc>	 how is our CR backlog doing ?
[00:45:40] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: did brion make it through your GeoData review ?
[00:45:49] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, yes
[00:46:07] <tfinc>	 excellent
[00:46:12] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: whats the next step
[00:46:13] <tfinc>	 ?
[00:48:00] <MaxSem>	 get someone to merge the Puppet stuff, ask ops what else do we/they need
[00:48:43] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: do we need a ticket to get the merge ?
[00:48:56] <MaxSem>	 the puppet stuff has changed since Nikerabbit +1d it, I asked him to review again (it's a prerequisite from Asher's point of view)
[00:48:57] <tfinc>	 whats the current process for this
[00:49:12] <tfinc>	 this needs to get out of our way. keep pushing it
[00:49:15] <MaxSem>	 pokepokepoke them to death
[00:49:20] <tfinc>	 yes
[00:49:47] <tfinc>	 ideally not to death though. death is rarely productive
[00:53:01] <MaxSem>	 well, if they want to avoid it...
[00:54:08] <MaxSem>	 meanwhile: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35215#c10
[01:00:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34057
[01:05:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Story 214 - update mobile detection rules" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35210
[01:09:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "Tests fail for me:" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: -1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35210
[01:13:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "Then you need to update the core;)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35210
[02:31:52] <Reedy>	 Description	Resource	Path	Location	Type
[02:31:52] <Reedy>	 error: Error: No resource found that matches the given name (at 'resource' with value '@xml/searchable_location').	AndroidManifest.xml	/Wikipedia/bin	line 48	Android AAPT Problem
[02:32:04] <Reedy>	 ^ Anyone know how to fix that for the wikipedia mobile app?
[02:50:15] <Reedy>	 Meh, looks like a clean clone suffices...
[02:50:21] <Reedy>	 WFM
[03:28:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "The edit button shows when logged in and in beta and in an article." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/29621
[03:48:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "$wgMFPhotoUploadEndpoint is undefined and undocumented = doing now" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32683
[03:52:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "photo uploads for articles without images in the summary section" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32683
[06:28:35] * yuvipanda  looks around

[08:48:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "We need to use the 3rd parameter but pass the hash parameter with it. I'm about to catch a plane and..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34680
[14:35:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "(bug 41514) Hash links broken in mobile" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35385
[14:37:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Hacked on this during the plane: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35385 and it seems to address the pr..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34680
[16:02:30] <jaikumar>	 Hi. Can anyone help me in setting up local version wikipedia with sandbox api functionality so that i can test my image upload implementation /
[16:06:08] <MaxSem>	 hi!
[16:06:26] <MaxSem>	 Do you already have MediaWiki installed?
[16:07:20] <jaikumar>	 yes
[16:09:04] <jaikumar>	 But i want to test the upload action from api sandbox. Which url should i point to ?
[16:09:41] <MaxSem>	 jaikumar, "sandbox api" as in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ApiSandbox ?
[16:09:54] <jaikumar>	 yes
[16:10:33] <jaikumar>	 But i wish to have it locally.
[16:10:52] <MaxSem>	 well, that page contains the information how to install it. which part do you need help with?
[16:12:16] <jaikumar>	 I have it already installed
[16:12:53] <jaikumar>	 The question is which url should i point to, to test the api sandbox
[16:13:27] <MaxSem>	 type Special:ApiSandbox in search box
[16:14:33] <jaikumar>	 As in http://localhost/wikimedia/...somthing ... api.php
[16:14:47] <jaikumar>	 No results found for the search
[16:16:04] <MaxSem>	 wiki seqarch box, not browser's URL bar
[16:16:28] <MaxSem>	 is ApiSandbox present in Special:Version?
[16:57:19] <MaxSem>	 hey awjr
[16:57:28] <awjr>	 whatsup MaxSem
[16:57:57] <MaxSem>	 did you update the core before testing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35210/ ?
[16:58:09] <awjr>	 i just checked out the changeset
[16:58:25] <awjr>	 it works for you?
[16:58:28] <MaxSem>	 cause it won't work without https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/33399/
[16:58:29] <awjr>	 i might've screwed something up
[16:58:47] <MaxSem>	 yeah, I repeatedly hit that problem myself
[16:58:52] <awjr>	 i think i git pull'd on core, i'll dbl check - one sec
[16:59:03] <MaxSem>	 and Jenkins still hits it:)
[17:02:06] <awjr>	 whoops MaxSem you were right
[17:02:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "nevermind, must've forgotten to update core when i initially ran the tests." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35210
[17:03:07] <awjr>	 MaxSem: it looks like jenkins is failing due to a merge conflict
[17:03:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Story 214 - update mobile detection rules" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35210
[17:03:59] <MaxSem>	 rebased
[17:05:27] <MaxSem>	 awjr, Faidon had some doubts about IE detection rules, my rationale is that IEMobile/10 should match Windows 8+
[17:06:58] <awjr>	 MaxSem: which changeset?
[17:07:12] <MaxSem>	 ^^^
[17:08:34] <awjr>	 MaxSem: oh same one… sorry, im still not awake yet :p
[17:12:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: awjrichards; "Picked up in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35210/3" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31581
[17:17:09] <awjr>	 MaxSem: i just looked into it a little bit and i think the detection rule should be OK
[17:18:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35210
[17:19:42] <MaxSem>	 awjr, thanks
[17:58:05] <tfinc>	 greetings all
[18:02:06] <awjr>	 mornin tfinc
[18:02:15] <tfinc>	 hey awjr
[18:02:26] <tfinc>	 awjr: find some lolz for your part of the presentation n?
[18:03:00] <awjr>	 tfinc not yet, got distracted by emails
[18:23:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: JGonera; "Why do we need to use the third parameter if the URL stays the same? Or does it?" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34680
[18:42:59] <MaxSem>	 awjr, could you review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35411 ?
[18:43:31] <awjr>	 sure one minute
[18:49:41] <tfinc>	 awjr: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42480
[18:51:05] <awjr>	 hmm
[18:57:16] <jgonera>	 do we have any guidelines for writing acceptance tests for mobile? do we write them at all?
[18:57:35] <awjr>	 jgonera talk to jcmish
[18:57:57] <jgonera>	 ok
[18:58:01] <brion>	 morning all
[18:58:57] <brion>	 see if i can get my keys/certs worked out for ios
[19:05:30] <jcmish>	 jgonera I write my test cases http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_Browser_Regression_Tests
[19:06:23] <jcmish>	 I follow the Cucumber format https://github.com/cucumber/cucumber/wiki/Given-When-Then
[19:06:29] <jgonera>	 jcmish, I see, do we have any automatic acceptance tests?
[19:06:39] <jgonera>	 yeah, I know Cucumber
[19:06:45] <jcmish>	 only 1 :)
[19:06:57] <jgonera>	 oh, ok ;)
[19:07:03] <jcmish>	 we do have some qunit tests
[19:07:07] <jgonera>	 where does it reside and how do we run it?
[19:07:58] <jcmish>	 gathering that up now
[19:08:05] <jcmish>	 we just put it out there a few days ago
[19:08:12] <jcmish>	 so we're still documenting etc
[19:08:19] <jgonera>	 I see
[19:09:09] <jgonera>	 what's the framework we're using for acceptance tests?
[19:09:31] <jcmish>	 Cucumber, Saucelabs and Cloudbees
[19:09:45] <MaxSem>	 jgonera, see makefile for tests
[19:11:21] <jgonera>	 MaxSem, I can see only unit tests being run in the makefile
[19:11:59] <MaxSem>	 jgonera, there's also the qunit target
[19:12:23] <MaxSem>	 which points to http://localhost/w/index.php/Special:JavaScriptTest/qunit?filter=MobileFrontend
[19:14:49] <jgonera>	 ok, I see, I'll have a look at that, though I was still wondering if we had anything like full end-to-end automatic acceptance tests, something like Cucumber but run automatically (could be Cucumber if we used Ruby)
[19:15:38] <jgonera>	 I mean, not necessarily as verbose as Cucumber but doing everything like an user does, i.e. opening URL, clicking the proper thing, checking the result
[19:16:24] <MaxSem>	 HE SAID RUBY, GET HIM!!1
[19:16:37] <jgonera>	 haha, not a fan? ;)
[19:16:46] <jcmish>	 hahahah
[19:17:05] <jcmish>	 our stuff is in Ruby and it's coming MaxSem MUHAHHAHA
[19:17:57] <jcmish>	 jgonera, for now write your acceptance tests with Cucumber
[19:18:01] <jcmish>	 and I'll automate them
[19:18:12] <jcmish>	 I'd have to get you access etc and all of that is still being worked on
[19:18:30] <jgonera>	 ok, sure
[19:18:51] <jcmish>	 so just write it in Gherkin and I'll get it automated and running
[19:18:53] <brion>	 tfinc: i have this sneaky feeling that i need the private key connected to the 'Wikimedia Foundation' distribution cert or this ain't gonna work
[19:19:06] <brion>	 is that something you can export from your Xcode perhaps?
[19:19:10] <jcmish>	 thanks jgonera :D
[19:19:15] <tfinc>	 brion: let me see
[19:19:31] <MaxSem>	 jgonera, if seriously - we're aspiring to have Selenium tests in core, but it isn't that easy for mobile devices
[19:19:45] <jgonera>	 jcmish, thanks for explaining that, but just out of curiosity, we will be using Ruby for running that? what will glue everything together, Capybara?
[19:20:04] <jcmish>	 watir/webdriver
[19:20:19] <jgonera>	 I know, it's virtually impossible to test on everything, but it would still be nice to avoid silly regressions not specific to any platform
[19:20:39] <jcmish>	 yup agreed jgonera
[19:21:34] <tfinc>	 brion: do you have the https://developer.apple.com/ios/manage/certificates/team/downloadDistCert.action?certDisplayId=7ZESG9LN2A Wikimedia Foundation distro cert ?
[19:21:44] <tfinc>	 its the cert used to sign the adhoc cert
[19:21:55] <tfinc>	 that in turn requires the wwdr intermediate cert
[19:22:04] <brion>	 tfinc: i've got it but "valid signing identity not found" so i can't do anything with it
[19:22:05] <tfinc>	 does anyones head hurt .. mine certainly does from all of this
[19:22:10] <brion>	 hehe
[19:23:47] <tfinc>	 brion: i can certainly export the private key … but thats bizarre to me as its my private key isn't it ?
[19:23:57] <tfinc>	 brion: how are we doing with our time box for this ?
[19:24:03] <brion>	 argh
[19:24:11] <brion>	 it may be simplest if i just push it to you to build if we can't figure this out
[19:24:16] <brion>	 bloody apple
[19:24:26] <tfinc>	 let take a look at my keychain to see if its bound to me
[19:26:08] <brion>	 heh… in keychain i have two "Brion Vibber" private keys. and another private key labeled "<key>". waaaaat
[19:27:22] <MaxSem>	 jgonera, we will never use Ruby cuz ops like it no more than me and I can't blame them for it:P
[19:27:55] <tfinc>	 brion: yeah i give up
[19:28:01] <brion>	 oh wells
[19:28:01] <tfinc>	 brion: what branch should i build off of ?
[19:28:08] <brion>	 tfinc: i'll make an alpha branch
[19:28:29] <awjr>	 brion, if a resource has a target of 'mobile' will it ever get loaded on the desktop site?
[19:28:31] <brion>	 v3.3-iOS-alpha1
[19:28:46] <brion>	 awjr: in theory…. no. unless it has a target of array('desktop', 'mobile') then it should
[19:29:19] <MaxSem>	 brion, last time we tried to use it, it failed - was anything fixed?
[19:29:26] <awjr>	 ooops, our desktop-only JS in mobile frontend is currently being targeted only for mobile
[19:29:47] <MaxSem>	 :)
[19:29:54] <brion>	 MaxSem: i had the impression the problem was that we deployed on wikis where the target system in RL hadn't been merged
[19:30:14] <brion>	 hmm
[19:30:39] <MaxSem>	 brion, we could test once again today
[19:31:39] <jgonera>	 MaxSem, any particular reason or just personal preference? ;)
[19:31:47] <tfinc>	 brion: new ipa is building now …
[19:31:51] <brion>	 \o/ yay
[19:32:36] <MaxSem>	 jgonera, goolge for "github hack". PHP started deprecating register_globals ages ago :D
[19:32:49] <MaxSem>	 </flamewar>
[19:33:42] <tfinc>	 brion: i want to verify this ipa before sending it out. in order to do so i'll need a change log as verification requires a new app version in iTunes connect
[19:33:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Correct target context for mobile.desktop resource" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35422
[19:34:30] <awjr>	 MaxSem, brion can one of you look at that ^? it would be nice to get that deployed today - i'm pretty sure it will fix the cookie issue reported by asher
[19:34:43] <tfinc>	 wow … http://mbeta.slashdot.org/
[19:34:48] <MaxSem>	 looking
[19:34:57] <tfinc>	 this does not feel like slashdot
[19:34:59] * tfinc  pokes around

[19:35:14] <jgonera>	 MaxSem, the only thing I can find is something about Rails, not Ruby, but lets leave this discussion for another moment ;)
[19:35:17] <brion>	 tfinc: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MobileChangeLog
[19:35:35] <brion>	 awjr: looking
[19:35:39] <tfinc>	 brion: i can't change it once it set. anything else that you might want in it ?
[19:35:53] <tfinc>	 since most people don't read these … we only need big user facing chagnes
[19:35:55] <brion>	 that should be all the user-visible changes
[19:35:59] <tfinc>	 k
[19:36:04] <brion>	 "less bugz"
[19:36:11] <tfinc>	 brion: and this is version 3.3 ?
[19:36:18] <brion>	 yeah
[19:36:23] <chrismcmahon>	 MaxSem: fwiw, the selenium-webdriver tests I'm working on are using Ruby because the set of tools for creating, running, and reporting such tests are most mature and standard in Ruby.  We're running on a hosted service, so not part of ops.
[19:37:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks right..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35422
[19:37:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35422
[19:38:01] <tfinc>	 brion: iPad: icon.png : icon dimensions don't meet size reqs
[19:38:05] <tfinc>	 icon must be 72x72
[19:38:05] <MaxSem>	 awjr, so we rely on JS for cookies?
[19:38:09] <tfinc>	 in png
[19:38:10] <brion>	 hmm lemme fix that
[19:38:15] <tfinc>	 we currently have 57 x 57
[19:38:20] <awjr>	 MaxSem: for unsetting stopMobileRedirect cookie
[19:38:37] <MaxSem>	 and no way it could be done in PHP?
[19:38:44] <brion>	 icon-72.png is 72x72
[19:38:54] <brion>	 lemme make sure it's using the right icons
[19:39:07] <awjr>	 MaxSem: there is a PHP fallback
[19:39:19] <awjr>	 but it is not always effective (iirc due to local caching)
[19:41:15] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to v3.3-iOS-alpha1: http://git.io/9fgr3w
[19:41:15] <wikipedia-github>	 WikipediaMobile/v3.3-iOS-alpha1 dde9b9b Brion Vibber: add icon-72@2x.png to iOS project
[19:41:18] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #457: FAILURE in 7.2 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/457/
[19:41:25] <brion>	 tfinc: icon-72@2x.png was missing from the project file, added it
[19:41:33] <brion>	 but …. it shouldn't be checking icon.png against iPad
[19:41:41] <brion>	 it should be checking icon-72.png and icon-72@2x.png
[19:42:26] <tfinc>	 pulling ...
[19:44:41] <tfinc>	 brion: same issue. want me to come down so that you can debug on my machine ?
[19:45:10] <brion>	 sure
[19:51:41] <tfinc>	 awjr: thanks for the quick desktop/mobile fix
[19:52:20] <jcmish>	 Brion? I looked at 150 and see it was -1
[19:52:28] <jcmish>	 so it's not going out today in the deploy right?
[19:52:42] <awjr>	 tfinc np it was super quick to diagnose. i just hope it actually fixes the problem :)
[19:53:01] <brion>	 jcmish: looks like not yet
[19:53:07] <brion>	 jon has some issues with my styles :)
[19:53:59] <jcmish>	 hehe
[19:54:15] <jcmish>	 Brion is he saying you lack style? :D
[19:54:39] <brion>	 :P
[19:54:53] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #458: STILL FAILING in 2.3 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/458/
[19:54:54] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Brion VIBBER: adjust info.plist some
[19:58:45] <tfinc>	 brion: http://dumps.wikimedia.org/iOS/Wikipedia-iOS-v3.3alpha1.ipa
[20:06:16] <tfinc>	 brion: jgonera : i'm thinking a lunch train is in order soon
[20:06:35] <tfinc>	 i'm in a bahn mi mood
[20:06:54] <MaxSem>	 don't forget, we're deploying less than in 1 hour
[20:07:01] <tfinc>	 jcmish: new properly signed wikipedia ipa coming to you soon
[20:07:05] <tfinc>	 even more reason to grab food now
[20:07:05] <jgonera>	 tfinc, is it Chinese food?
[20:07:22] <tfinc>	 jgonera: Vietnamese sandwich
[20:07:31] <tfinc>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A1nh_m%C3%AC
[20:07:33] <jcmish>	 tfinc YAY
[20:07:48] <jcmish>	 wait I'd rather have a Vietnamese sandwhich!
[20:07:59] <jcmish>	 I don't want the ipa now :)
[20:08:34] <brion>	 mmmmm banh mi
[20:08:39] <tfinc>	 come visit us more often and we can fix that
[20:08:40] <brion>	 O_O
[20:08:42] <brion>	 ok genius idea
[20:08:46] <brion>	 german/vietnamese fusion
[20:08:50] <brion>	 autobahn-mi
[20:08:58] <jgonera>	 tfinc, looks good for me ;)
[20:08:58] <jcmish>	 Brion BOOO
[20:09:11] <tfinc>	 that wins todays pun award
[20:09:29] <brion>	 jcmish: ok sent you a link to what we think is a working adhoc build of the ios
[20:09:34] <jcmish>	 sweet
[20:09:46] <tfinc>	 jcmish:  try installing it and if it installs .. we get to go to lunch
[20:09:46] <brion>	 let us know if it explodes or does anything unexpected :)
[20:09:54] <jcmish>	 will do
[20:10:08] <brion>	 oh crap -- one thing i forgot to port over: the customized user-agent string
[20:10:10] <brion>	 i'll make a note
[20:10:18] <brion>	 so that's one thing to do before real beta1 :)
[20:17:21] <jcmish>	 brion: tfinc \o/
[20:17:27] <jcmish>	 installs and launches
[20:17:31] <jcmish>	 you may eat :D
[20:17:55] <brion>	 woohoo
[20:18:03] <jcmish>	 I'm gonna test it for a bit
[20:18:16] <jcmish>	 to see how it goes but I'll let you guys know if I run into anything
[20:18:18] <tfinc>	 perfect
[20:18:30] <tfinc>	 lets get good brion jgonera Maryana
[20:22:24] <jcmish>	 MaxSem so is #214 complete?
[20:22:34] <awjr>	 while looking for images to use in a presentation, i came across this gem: http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/Image/bush_eating_cat.jpg
[20:23:14] <jcmish>	 awjr that is mighty fine!
[20:23:17] <MaxSem>	 jcmish, not yet, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35298/ remains to be merged
[20:23:53] <jcmish>	 MaxSem thanks, I just saw that it showed up on the changelogs I ran today so wanted to see if it needed be added … thanks
[20:24:59] <MaxSem>	 jcmish, this card is mostly ops-related, even  stuff we will deploy today will change nothing
[20:25:11] <jcmish>	 ah gotcha
[20:29:41] <jcmish>	 awjr you have a commit you believe is related to 42480
[20:29:51] <jcmish>	 should I retest that with the deploy?
[20:30:06] <awjr>	 jcmish: yeah we wont be able to really test until it's up on testwiki
[20:30:29] <jcmish>	 k I'll add it to my todo's
[20:30:38] <jcmish>	 and I'll update the changelogs on the wiki
[20:55:38] <MaxSem>	 5 minutes...
[21:03:35] <MaxSem>	 awjr, brion-lunch, jcmish, jgonera, Maryana, tfinc: ready for deployment?
[21:03:45] <awjr>	 MaxSem: yeah let's do it
[21:09:19] <MaxSem>	 eh, how are we going to do it without jcmish?
[21:10:08] <awjr>	 MaxSem: good question - she should be back by now
[21:10:38] <awjr>	 MaxSem: go ahead and get the changes up on testwiki so we can at least poke it a bit; i think jcmish is grabbing food and will hopefully be back soon
[21:10:50] <MaxSem>	 in process
[21:11:05] <MaxSem>	 sync-common takes ages on srv193
[21:12:03] * MaxSem  prays to Ryan/Lane. oh Ryan, make your git-deploy save us from this disaster!

[21:12:08] <tfinc>	 wee ....
[21:12:12] <jcmish>	 yup
[21:12:16] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[21:12:17] <brion-lunch>	 we are back
[21:12:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'm working on that now, in fact :D
[21:12:32] <awjr>	 O_O
[21:12:33] <awjr>	 huzzah!
[21:12:46] <MaxSem>	 in time: we're live on testwiki
[21:12:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, I'm also fighting with salt, too, so yeah...
[21:12:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 :)
[21:15:24] <awjr>	 desktop layout on testwiki seems borked but i dunno if it was like that already
[21:15:50] <MaxSem>	 broken? how?
[21:17:04] <awjr>	 oh actually it looks fine now, it was probably a cached resource or something
[21:19:53] <awjr>	 the cookie issue looks resolved
[21:21:51] <jcmish>	 finished testing non beta and looks good
[21:21:54] <jcmish>	 moving on to beta
[21:22:18] <MaxSem>	 I see a serious problem: sections don't expand in dynamically loaded articles in beta in Opera
[21:23:23] <MaxSem>	 nothing in error log
[21:24:12] <brion>	 opera mobile?
[21:24:25] <awjr>	 MaxSem: it's just in dynamically loaded articles (eg articles loaded from 'random')?
[21:24:42] <tfinc>	 keep in mind that beta is only guaranteed to work within http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/Testing_process
[21:24:42] <MaxSem>	 from search
[21:24:56] <brion>	 search also dynamically loads iirc
[21:25:05] <awjr>	 ah indeed
[21:25:08] <awjr>	 cool
[21:25:11] <awjr>	 but lame that it's broken :(
[21:25:42] <awjr>	 opera mini and opera mobile are in the list for beta support
[21:25:53] <MaxSem>	 also confirmed in Android browser
[21:26:04] <MaxSem>	 which is a showstopper
[21:26:11] <brion>	 works for me on 'Golden-crowned sparrow' on test.wikipedia on Opera Mobile on Nexus 7
[21:26:18] <brion>	 found both through random and through search
[21:26:23] <jcmish>	 Watchlist is a problem when I add to the watchlist
[21:26:28] <awjr>	 MaxSem: it works for me on android 4.1.1
[21:26:31] <jcmish>	 it's saying the prior page
[21:26:35] <brion>	 damn i'm not in beta
[21:26:38] <brion>	 grrrrrrr
[21:26:43] <awjr>	 hmm i thought that was fixed last week jcmish
[21:26:47] <jcmish>	 i know!
[21:26:53] <jcmish>	 it's why i added it to test :D
[21:27:03] <jcmish>	 I'm gonna blow away the cache just to be sure
[21:27:06] <jcmish>	 and try it again
[21:27:15] <awjr>	 i am seeing the same problem
[21:27:26] <brion>	 Read this article? [Try again] [Yes] still makes me think an error happened
[21:27:46] <Maryana>	 agreed
[21:27:55] <awjr>	 MaxSem: out of curiosity, if you append debug=true to the URL do the sections work?
[21:28:32] <brion>	 i can't get any sections on random pages…. oh right because it's not showing me the whole article, it's only loading a subsection.
[21:28:33] <brion>	 ugh
[21:28:56] <brion>	 ok for me sections work in beta on opera mobile when dynamically loading
[21:28:58] <brion>	 i… think.
[21:29:41] <awjr>	 watchlist seems to work right when using random pages, but not when using search
[21:29:54] <jcmish>	 awjr correct
[21:29:58] <jcmish>	 that's what I'm seeing
[21:30:21] <MaxSem>	 awjr, debug=true doesn't WFM
[21:30:46] <Maryana>	 watchlisting wfm w/both search & random
[21:30:51] * Maryana  shrugs

[21:30:58] <MaxSem>	 right, and heading lack expand arrows
[21:31:08] <awjr>	 for me in opera mobile section toggling works, but i am not seeing the arrows
[21:32:34] <MaxSem>	 can anyone investigate?
[21:34:47] <awjr>	 im poking in opera emulator - brion can you take a look too ^?
[21:35:09] <brion>	 ok looking at opera desktop on my mac… no expansion arrows and no expansion on click of section title
[21:35:12] <brion>	 but opera mobile on nexus7 was fine
[21:35:13] <jcmish>	 Maryana: I just tried it again
[21:35:28] <jcmish>	 I still can't get watchlist to behave from search
[21:35:40] <Maryana>	 maybe i have a magic iphone? heh :)
[21:35:45] <jcmish>	 at the bottom it still shows the main page as being watchlisted
[21:35:51] <jcmish>	 hehe
[21:36:01] <jcmish>	 aren't all iphone's magic?!
[21:36:02] <brion>	 garrrr
[21:36:08] <Maryana>	 :)
[21:36:15] <brion>	 now i can repro the problem with opera mobile on nexus 7. why? NO IDEA
[21:36:30] <awjr>	 local cache maybe?
[21:36:55] <Maryana>	 jcmish: ohhh, i see what you mean now
[21:37:15] <Maryana>	 when watchlisting articles *directly* from the search dropdown. yeah, it comes up as the main page
[21:38:34] <jcmish>	 ah whew
[21:38:38] <jcmish>	 I just pulled out my ipad
[21:38:42] <jcmish>	 I thought I was going crazy :D
[21:40:03] <Maryana>	 sorry, i thought it was the issue from awhile back when it got stuck on old pages after randomizing
[21:40:19] <jcmish>	 ah gotcha
[21:40:25] <jcmish>	 nope this one is a bit different
[21:40:33] <brion>	 ok the <h2>s are missing their <button>s
[21:47:07] <awjr>	 hmm
[21:47:36] <MaxSem>	 may this bug be EventLogging-related?
[21:49:56] <awjr>	 i suppose it could be - im not familiar with the black magic here
[21:50:04] <brion>	 ok it's not just opera; same happens in Chrome on my local machine
[21:50:21] <brion>	 mf-toggle-dynamic.js's init() doesn't get called on the new page
[21:50:22] <MaxSem>	 I've disabled logging
[21:51:34] <awjr>	 brion: wfm in chrome desktop
[21:51:48] <brion>	 wfm in chrome desktop on test.m.wikipedia.org, but not on my local machine.
[21:51:56] <brion>	 running current master MobileFrontend
[21:52:08] <awjr>	 oh
[21:53:07] <brion>	 aha it works in chrome desktop because i wasn't in beta
[21:53:49] <awjr>	 huh MF master looks fine for me in beta and non-beta locally in chrome desktop
[21:53:54] <awjr>	 something mysterious is afoot
[21:53:55] <brion>	 ok chrome and opera both on test.m.wikipedia.org, search for "golden-crowned sparrow", tap it, and see no buttons on the page
[21:54:15] <brion>	 awjr: are you clicking the returned search suggestions or hitting enter?
[21:54:22] <brion>	 hitting enter submits the form and loads the page fresh
[21:54:29] <awjr>	 ohho
[21:54:32] <brion>	 clicking the returned search suggestion does dynamic loading
[21:55:05] <awjr>	 ah i see
[21:58:29] <MaxSem>	 I've reenable EventLogging on testwiki as it appears not to be the culprit
[22:02:00] <brion>	 ok
[22:02:22] <brion>	 if the page you were searching *from* has togglable sections, then the section toggles appear after searching
[22:02:36] <brion>	 if the page you were searching *from* does not, then they don't get initialized after searching
[22:03:15] <awjr>	 o_O
[22:05:25] <Maryana>	 that is some impressive sleuthing, brion
[22:06:01] <brion>	 thanks :D
[22:06:06] <MaxSem>	 ...and since main pages don't have them...
[22:06:54] <brion>	 filed as https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42485
[22:06:58] <brion>	 should have enough info for jon to fix it
[22:07:13] <brion>	 i hope :D
[22:07:17] <brion>	 some of that code is scary
[22:08:14] <awjr>	 yeah that is some serious voodoo
[22:08:28] <awjr>	 ok - are we calling this deployment a wash then?
[22:08:53] <MaxSem>	 yes, I don't feel confident to deploy a broken beta
[22:09:01] <brion>	 so this bug appears to already be in en.m.wikipedia.org
[22:09:07] <brion>	 so i don't think it's new unless y'all already pushed it
[22:09:14] <awjr>	 orly
[22:09:32] <brion>	 it's a beta-only bug
[22:10:14] <MaxSem>	 oh sheesh - I just tested, but apparently it was a wrong repro sequence
[22:10:52] <awjr>	 alright, Maryana, jcmish thoughts?
[22:11:05] <Maryana>	 eek
[22:11:19] <Maryana>	 so a subset of beta users haven't been able to toggle any sections for awhile?
[22:11:29] <MaxSem>	 yes
[22:11:54] <jcmish>	 I'm worried because we re-introduced a similar watch list bug
[22:12:02] <jcmish>	 I hate compounding existing issues
[22:12:12] <awjr>	 is the watchlist bug also in production right now jcmish?
[22:12:12] <brion>	 Maryana: they can fix it by reloading
[22:12:17] <brion>	 gross, but survivable
[22:12:36] <MaxSem>	 brion, if they know about reloading
[22:12:42] <brion>	 ;_;
[22:13:10] <Maryana>	 the watchlist bug is pretty minor in comparison
[22:13:36] <Maryana>	 i don't think it gets a whole lot of usage, especially since we're not displaying a watchlist view in mobile atm
[22:13:48] <jcmish>	 sorry awjr was checking
[22:13:53] <jcmish>	 yup tis already there
[22:13:59] <jcmish>	 I thought it was new
[22:14:28] <Maryana>	 the section toggling thing is no bueno indeed and we should fix it, but if it's already there.. eh
[22:14:29] <awjr>	 yeah - and the same behavior manifests when you log in (it returns you to the previous article you were looking at rather than the existing)
[22:14:43] <awjr>	 so it sounds like we're not introducing any new bugs at least that we know of
[22:14:56] <awjr>	 but this deployment does fix a few
[22:15:05] <brion>	 yay for fixing
[22:15:24] <awjr>	 so Maryana what's your call?
[22:15:26] <jcmish>	 k then I'm okay
[22:15:52] <MaxSem>	 warning: deployment's already going to push the estimation mtg back:P
[22:16:01] <Maryana>	 i think we should be ok, but it's time to investigate & fight this bug
[22:16:22] <awjr>	 MaxSem: estimation mtg is in 1.25hrs, i think we'll be OK
[22:16:35] <MaxSem>	 when did you last run scap?:P
[22:16:42] <awjr>	 oh jeez really?
[22:17:26] <MaxSem>	 okay, so I'm deploying?
[22:17:27] <jcmish>	 haha
[22:17:33] <awjr>	 MaxSem: yep
[22:17:34] <Maryana>	 go for it
[22:20:17] <MaxSem>	 will Jon already be available for work tomorrow?
[22:20:22] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: yes
[22:21:16] <MaxSem>	 who knows in which state though...
[22:21:27] <tfinc>	 we'll pump him full of coffee
[22:23:35] <tfinc>	 awjr: MaxSem : did the X Carrier header change for Zero go out last/this week ?
[22:24:25] <MaxSem>	 no idea. I've seen Patrick syncing Zero recently but don't know the details
[22:24:57] <tfinc>	 preilly: did the XCarrier change go out last/this week ?
[22:25:21] <awjr>	 i do not know either
[22:25:38] <preilly>	 tfinc: XCarrier change for logging?
[22:25:58] <tfinc>	 the logging change we discussed last week. i may be getting the header name wrong.
[22:38:43] <preilly>	 tfinc: yes that is live now
[22:39:04] <tfinc>	 preilly: thanks
[22:39:43] <jgonera>	 should boolean parameters in API calls receive "yes"/"no" or can they also receive "true"/"false"?
[22:40:58] <MaxSem>	 generally, boolean parameters are tested by their existence, e.g. api.php?boolparam1&boolparam2&stringparam=foo
[22:43:56] <jgonera>	 MaxSem, but when I send boolparam1=no it treats it as if it was off, does it work the same for boolparam1=false?
[22:44:34] <MaxSem>	 don't send it at all if it's false
[22:45:48] <jgonera>	 it makes the JS code a bit verbose...
[22:46:19] <jgonera>	 I mean it would be nice to just type { noimages: mw.mobileFrontend.setting('imagesDisabled') } when making jQuery ajax request
[22:46:19] <MaxSem>	 then 0/1
[22:46:33] <jgonera>	 ok, I'll try
[22:47:44] <jgonera>	 nope, 0 also triggers it
[22:48:16] <jgonera>	 in fact "no" also triggers it
[22:50:25] <MaxSem>	 kekeke
[22:52:39] <jgonera>	 is it supposed to be like that? ;) would it be ok to change that so that "no"/"false"/0 are treated as if the parameter was not present?
[22:57:45] <tfinc>	 jcmish: question for you
[22:57:57] <jcmish>	 sure
[22:58:06] <tfinc>	 jcmish: i'm really concerned about the offline wikipedia app issue
[22:58:14] <tfinc>	 jcmish: we have lots of people mailing us about it
[22:58:26] <tfinc>	 jcmish: have we pulled a handful of them to do dedicated testing for us ?
[22:58:31] <jcmish>	 we did
[22:58:32] <tfinc>	 to find out what's exploding ?
[22:58:38] <jcmish>	 the problem now though
[22:58:40] <tfinc>	 jcmish: what did we find ?
[22:58:55] <tfinc>	 awjr: are we still on for 4:30 ?
[22:59:03] <awjr>	 tfinc yep
[22:59:19] <jcmish>	 is we aren't seeing any obvious errors in the logs that are pointing to the issue for Yuvi and Brion
[22:59:41] <jcmish>	 so we're at a bit of a loss, I've found the test cases and versions
[23:00:08] <jcmish>	 that are affected but not sure where we go next
[23:00:09] <brion>	 jcmish: if i make another testing build can you send that to some of the people encountering the error and collect their feedback?
[23:00:18] <tfinc>	 brion: ---^ see .. we have reliable broken users
[23:00:26] <jcmish>	 brion can do
[23:00:37] <jcmish>	 I send them soothing emails every few days :D
[23:00:39] <brion>	 ok lemme poke
[23:00:40] <tfinc>	 i'm about to step into a 1:1 with erik. brion : can we get these people a debug build that exposes more errors that they can send to us ?
[23:00:46] <brion>	 i wish we could repro this…..
[23:02:14] <jcmish>	 brion I can have the folx do catlog
[23:02:37] <jcmish>	 but based on the logging info I sent from perfectomobile that doesn't seem to provide enough info?
[23:02:44] <jcmish>	 is there a better debug mode?
[23:04:09] <brion>	 jcmish: the .rtf log i got indicates an error inside the application JS that would make it never work
[23:04:20] <brion>	 so let me check that out, make sure my build was correct
[23:05:07] <jcmish>	 k thanks
[23:09:52] <brion>	 jcmish: ok try this apk: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-4uRHcaarTrUzFSVjk5RjhGUVU
[23:09:59] <brion>	 fixed a couple errors in it
[23:10:10] <brion>	 it should output lines into the console log with 'XHR' in it showing success or failure
[23:10:39] <jcmish>	 kayo
[23:10:43] <jcmish>	 let me try it
[23:24:24] <awjr>	 MaxSem, jgonera: are you guys planning to come to the prioritization meeting?
[23:24:48] <brion>	 awjr: is this still for 3:30 PST or pushed back?
[23:25:05] <awjr>	 brion trying to figure that out now given that scap is still runnin
[23:25:10] <brion>	 hrh
[23:25:11] <brion>	 heh
[23:25:45] <jgonera>	 awjr, I don't know, should I? :)
[23:26:37] <awjr>	 jgonera: it's up to you; my hunch is you probably won't get much out of this one since you just started but you're welcome to attend if you like
[23:27:21] <awjr>	 MaxSem: what about you? also, any idea when scap will finish?
[23:28:53] <jgonera>	 awjr, where is it?
[23:28:53] <MaxSem>	 awjr, it hung for some time waiting for me to press enter and not saying that, so it's still some time away
[23:28:59] <awjr>	 ugh
[23:29:09] <MaxSem>	 guess I can be semi-present on that meeting
[23:29:14] <awjr>	 jgonera: not sure, check the calendar invite
[23:29:30] <jgonera>	 awjr, it says R37 but I'm not sure where to look for it
[23:29:36] <awjr>	 MaxSem: ok, let's just roll with it
[23:29:45] <brion>	 jgonera: it's in the back, i'll show ya
[23:29:46] <brion>	 :D
[23:29:52] <awjr>	 jgonera: r37 is on the other side of the office (near finance, it, etc)
[23:29:59] <awjr>	 even better :)
[23:30:18] <awjr>	 aw crap there's no google hangout on the invite
[23:30:20] <brion>	 so meeting is on? we're going to chambers :)
[23:31:08] <awjr>	 brion yes
[23:31:18] <awjr>	 there's no hangout on the invite :(
[23:31:19] <awjr>	 use: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/80a5c0c51e90be0b2fa3afa5f226734d8735d3d0?pqs=1&authuser=0&hl=en
[23:32:59] <awjr>	 jcmish, MaxSem ^
[23:38:48] <Maryana>	 we've sent jgonera to get an ethernet plugin
[23:38:59] <awjr>	 Maryana: ok cool, thanks that's just what i was going to ask
[23:39:07] * Maryana  twiddles thumbs

[23:39:18] <awjr>	 we really need to get these conference rooms fixed
[23:40:52] <Maryana>	 can we do w/out video?
[23:41:35] <Maryana>	 we're not plugged in yet
[23:43:47] <awjr>	 Maryana: can you guys just disable to video and we'll do this with audio?
[23:44:16] <Maryana>	 trying… can't get ethernet connection
[23:44:28] <Maryana>	 *rimshot*
[23:44:32] <awjr>	 >_
[23:44:34] <awjr>	 er
[23:44:35] <awjr>	 >_<
[23:45:23] <Maryana>	 this room is cursed
[23:45:34] <awjr>	 i am going to cry.
[23:56:25] <MaxSem>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=mobile+edit