[10:18:15] <GitHub131>	 [WLMMobile] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/V88IhA
[10:18:15] <GitHub131>	 WLMMobile/master a1e0d81 Siebrand Mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[10:18:33] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WLMMobile - Nightly builds build #251: SUCCESS in 11 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WLMMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/251/
[10:18:33] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[10:20:04] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WiktionaryMobile - Nightly builds build #112: SUCCESS in 14 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WiktionaryMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/112/
[10:20:04] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[10:21:10] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/6ZYhSA
[10:21:10] <wikipedia-github>	 WikipediaMobile/master 8773fd1 Siebrand Mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[10:21:28] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #484: SUCCESS in 10 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/484/
[10:21:29] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[15:00:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "move jQuery history specific code to mf-history-jquery" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42243
[15:00:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "done." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42243
[15:02:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "according to Max this is not the "mediawiki way" and I wasn't sure how best to do this. Rather than ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42196
[15:04:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "ensure diff/watchlist is styled regardless of whether js available" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42266
[15:05:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Rebased and merged" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42266
[15:05:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42266
[15:07:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "move account create into center just like login form" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42265
[15:07:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Cherry-picked and merged after Arthur's review" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42265
[15:07:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42265
[15:12:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Juliusz seemed fine with it other than name. Changed name and merged to avoid merge conflicts down t..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42243
[15:12:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42243
[15:23:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "This breaks the list view - I'm seeing the same article more than once. There is something wrong wit..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41205
[16:06:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "don't throw exception when bad revision id given (bug 43267)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42196
[16:06:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "Simplified a bit, fixed some PhpStorm warnings." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42196
[16:21:11] <MaxSem>	 you jdlrobson
[16:21:17] <MaxSem>	 s/you/yo/
[16:21:19] <jdlrobson>	 you or yo? :)
[16:21:26] <jdlrobson>	 oh good that's less damning ;-)
[16:22:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Maryana, are you happy for this to be promoted despite the fact it may show on disambiguation pages..?" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40752
[16:23:18] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, got commits for me to review?
[16:23:34] <jdlrobson>	 still need pagination :)
[16:23:45] <jdlrobson>	 also you misunderstood my review on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/42391/1
[16:23:53] <jdlrobson>	 i was basically saying we should add comments to why we keep things
[16:24:04] <jdlrobson>	 I was asking why do we still remove 'div.infobox',
[16:24:14] <jdlrobson>	 if you fix that up ill happily merge
[16:27:52] <MaxSem>	 how the hell am I supposed to know why Patrick added these?
[16:31:56] <jdlrobson>	 delete them then :)
[16:32:01] <jdlrobson>	 or we can git blame
[16:32:16] <jdlrobson>	 just seems if we are doing this we should do it properly
[16:32:40] <jdlrobson>	 i'm happy to explore these
[16:32:53] <jdlrobson>	 btw i assume script tag's are already removed that's why you took them out?
[16:33:15] <jdlrobson>	 ^ MaxSem
[16:33:59] <MaxSem>	 parser output which we parse these days never contains <script>
[16:34:18] * jdlrobson  nods

[16:34:56] <MaxSem>	 anyway. this commit removes only stuff which is 100% safe to remove
[16:35:13] <MaxSem>	 feel free to follow up with more removals
[16:37:36] <jdlrobson>	 k :) i just don't like leaving code there that might not be needed
[17:02:31] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: is there a way to make this 404 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/42196/ ?
[17:02:55] <MaxSem>	 yes there is, but don't do it
[17:04:06] <MaxSem>	 for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAT:RFU?diff=1232141221412412 doesn't return a 404
[17:05:31] <jdlrobson>	 but that will cache
[17:05:41] <jdlrobson>	 why would you not 404
[17:05:43] <jdlrobson>	 it makes no sense
[17:06:59] <MaxSem>	 no, it doesn't cache because the output says don't cache
[17:07:19] <MaxSem>	 btw, there's nothing preventing Varnish from caching a 404
[17:08:42] <jdlrobson>	 it's just horribly wrong
[17:09:48] <jdlrobson>	 standards are there so why don't we just use them? on a phone we'd be sending a big payload down to the phone despite nothing being there - it's just a waste of that user's data plan
[17:21:48] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: did you see my email about demoing current photo upload functionality briefly during the planning meeting today?
[17:21:59] <jdlrobson>	 yup awjr - just not sure how
[17:22:03] <jdlrobson>	 it works best on a phone
[17:22:07] <jdlrobson>	 and i can't demo phones
[17:22:14] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: will it work OK in a browser?
[17:22:20] <jdlrobson>	 well i can't use camera..
[17:22:24] <jdlrobson>	 but i can use filesystem
[17:23:02] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: can you demo it in something like the ios simulator?
[17:23:06] <awjr>	 i guess you stil have the camera problem
[17:23:10] <jdlrobson>	 nioe
[17:23:11] <awjr>	 but that's ok
[17:23:20] <MaxSem>	 eeek
[17:23:37] <MaxSem>	 just noticed that it's a friggin 3 hours planning
[17:24:02] <MaxSem>	 mercy!
[17:26:53] <jdlrobson>	 awjr: i'm only gonna be available for 3 of those
[17:27:01] <jdlrobson>	 i need to eat and pack :-/
[17:27:02] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: ?
[17:27:08] <jdlrobson>	 *2 sorry
[17:27:08] <awjr>	 3 of what?
[17:27:11] <jdlrobson>	 2 of those 3
[17:27:28] <awjr>	 ah
[17:32:05] <jdlrobson>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/42391/1/includes/MobileFormatter.php < MaxSem i'm tempted that we just remove all of the undocumented ones - thoughts? - only ones that make sense to me are div.stub table.toc .editsection #protected-icon
[17:34:35] <jdlrobson>	 like you say we can resort to css if necessary
[17:34:53] <jdlrobson>	 if you prefer we could enable on beta to try out
[17:35:33] <MaxSem>	 mhm, do we still have hiddenStructure somewhere?
[17:35:57] <MaxSem>	 probably, on some godforsaken wikis
[17:37:31] * jdlrobson  reads about hiddenStructure

[17:39:15] <jdlrobson>	 "For these reasons, hiddenStructure should not be used."
[17:39:29] <jdlrobson>	 if a godforsaken wiki uses it it deserves what's coming to it! :)
[17:44:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Merging as this improves situation but I feel like we _could_ and _should_ go further and remove all..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42391
[17:44:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42391
[17:49:31] <MaxSem>	 ideally, I want all DOM manipulations to die
[17:50:16] <MaxSem>	 and it should be eventually possible if we don't need to remove images or mangle links with Zero stuff
[17:53:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "add pagination to watchlist a-z view (bug 43254)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40306
[17:54:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Far too much bikeshedding going on now. Looks like a good starting point and seems to work" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40306
[17:57:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jdlrobson; "abandoning for time being" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40313
[17:58:43] <brion>	 morning all
[17:59:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jdlrobson; "@jnfsmile - i'm abandoning this for the time being to keep the review backlog clearer for developers..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36887
[17:59:13] <jdlrobson>	 morning brion!
[17:59:18] <brion>	 it's meeeeeting time
[18:01:20] <qgil_>	 tfinc, ping
[18:01:29] <tfinc>	 qgil_: howdy
[18:01:39] <qgil_>	 MaxSem, ping too. Have you seen the thread at wikitech-l about the mapping event?
[18:01:39] <tfinc>	 i'm in a big meeting all day so expect a response delay
[18:02:02] <MaxSem>	 qgil_, no news so far
[18:02:05] <qgil_>	 tfinc, I just want to know if that is the same mapping event or you are talking about anther one
[18:02:13] <awjr>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MobileQ3Planning
[18:02:18] <awjr>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MobileQ3Planning
[18:02:27] <qgil_>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-January/065500.html
[18:02:29] * yuvipanda_  looks around

[18:02:29] <tfinc>	 YuviPanda: will you be joining us for the planning session today? we just started
[18:02:39] <qgil_>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-January/065503.html
[18:02:41] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda_: --^
[18:02:45] <yuvipanda_>	 tfinc: Hangout? Dobu it. I'll follow on IRC and Etherpad
[18:02:51] <qgil_>	 tfinc, see the links above - or your mailbox  :)
[18:02:52] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda_: its in the calendar invite
[18:03:01] <tfinc>	 qgil_: thanks. i'll  take a look later
[18:03:04] <qgil_>	 ok
[18:03:12] <yuvipanda_>	 tfinc: I'm at the hackathon. I'll follow on IRC + Etherpad.
[18:03:25] <tfinc>	 yuvipanda_: sure
[18:04:12] <yuvipanda_>	 tfinc: sweet!
[18:30:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Maryana; "Yeah, it's unfortunate, but it's not a deal-breaker for Beta for sure." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40752
[18:30:38] <jdlrobson>	 tfinc: Maryana_ awjr i have to leave early today - 8pm - need to eat and then pack for the trip back to PST time
[18:30:50] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: 8pm is 12pm PST?
[18:31:01] <jdlrobson>	 time zone maths urgg
[18:31:04] <jdlrobson>	 yup
[18:31:12] <awjr>	 ok that should be fine
[18:31:21] <jdlrobson>	 i should be able to catch you after 9pm if needed before i go to sleep
[18:31:28] <jdlrobson>	 depends how well everything goes
[18:31:32] <jdlrobson>	 but i'll be on email
[18:31:50] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: ok, no worries
[18:42:36] <jdlrobson>	 question: do we count people using a desktop browser to upload via the mobile site in 1000 uploaders? < Maryana_
[18:42:48] <Maryana_>	 sure :)
[18:43:01] <Maryana_>	 as long as they're on .m, they count!
[18:46:46] <tfinc>	 jgonera: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1Yr4nZ0BT3Pb7DyoqDL4N-dv6SMx_A650OELx8z0DBJE/edit#slide=id.p54
[18:51:31] <wikipedia-github>	 [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 1 new commit to v3.3-iOS: http://git.io/HjeqyQ
[18:51:31] <wikipedia-github>	 WikipediaMobile/v3.3-iOS b9d8009 Brion Vibber: terms of service -> terms of use
[18:51:34] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #485: SUCCESS in 12 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/485/
[18:51:35] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * Brion VIBBER: de-beta the version number
[18:51:35] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * Brion VIBBER: * (bug 42967, 42968, 42970, 42971) Add terms of service and privacy policy links to page footer in app
[18:51:36] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * Brion VIBBER: fix stupid debug left in line
[18:51:36] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * Brion VIBBER: Force privacy/terms links to mobile view
[18:51:37] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 * Brion VIBBER: terms of service -> terms of use
[18:51:42] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #486: SUCCESS in 7.6 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/486/
[18:51:43] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Brion VIBBER: terms of service -> terms of use
[19:03:48] <tfinc>	 YuviPanda: make sure to take a look at https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1Yr4nZ0BT3Pb7DyoqDL4N-dv6SMx_A650OELx8z0DBJE/edit#slide=id.p59
[19:13:09] <jdlrobson_>	 my connection seems to have gone terribly slow all of a sudden..
[19:14:26] <jdlrobson_>	 brb i'm going to see if my dad's streaming tv or something...
[19:17:17] <jdlrobson_>	 can i be heard?
[19:17:30] <jdlrobson_>	 my wifi seems to have stabilized somewhat but now i don't know what's going on
[19:21:02] <tfinc>	 awjr: what's the list for app discussion ? i need to know who to wrangle back
[19:21:16] <awjr>	 tfinc: Jon
[19:21:16] <awjr>	 Max
[19:21:16] <awjr>	 Michelle
[19:21:16] <awjr>	 Munaf
[19:21:16] <awjr>	 Brandon?
[19:21:17] <awjr>	 Tomasz
[19:21:18] <tfinc>	 and i don't think you published the list
[19:21:29] <jdlrobson_>	 tfinc: jgonera ?
[19:21:29] <jdlrobson_>	 awjr: ?
[19:21:29] <jdlrobson_>	 i seem to be shouting at the screen and not getting any response :(
[19:21:29] <awjr>	 whoops, i did it in evernote rather than the etherpad
[19:21:40] <tfinc>	 awjr: thanks
[19:22:04] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson_: your no longer on the hangout
[19:22:04] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson_, I'm in a different room now
[19:22:27] <jdlrobson_>	 brion: ?
[19:22:27] * jdlrobson_  has the feeling of being invisible

[19:22:29] <jdlrobson_>	 i've been having huge connection problems
[19:22:30] <jdlrobson_>	 i've been able to hear you but not you me
[19:22:32] <jdlrobson_>	 i think my dad's broadband provider is playing up
[19:22:35] <brion>	 jdlrobson_: i'm in the other room
[19:22:56] * jdlrobson_  has no idea what's going on having lost connection during the crucial what we do next bit

[19:23:32] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson_: any chance of you getting on in the next minute ? otherwise were going to get started
[19:25:24] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, you don't hear us
[19:32:33] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: your connection is pretty bad
[19:33:07] <jdlrobson>	 i think there is a network issue MaxSem tfinc
[19:33:54] <jdlrobson>	 my video / audio went just then
[19:33:56] <jdlrobson>	 heard nothing again
[19:33:56] <jdlrobson>	 s
[19:34:04] <jdlrobson>	 seels related to norm being in the room
[19:34:09] <jdlrobson>	 * jorm
[19:40:30] <MaxSem>	 I don't see anything
[19:46:47] <jdlrobson>	 my wifi makes me sad
[20:00:00] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function getParserOutput() on a non-object in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf7/extensions/GeoCrumbs/GeoCrumbs.class.php on line 172
[20:00:05] <Reedy>	 Is that the one you know about?
[20:00:11] <Reedy>	 Oh, wait... that's not yours is it?
[20:00:16] <MaxSem>	 GeoCrumbs's not mine
[20:16:48] <brion>	 GeoCrumbs? that's a new one to me
[20:20:57] <MaxSem>	 brion, Wikivoyage stuff
[20:21:04] <brion>	 ah
[20:21:17] * brion  downloads millions of new extensions to his git repos

[21:15:54] <MaxSem>	 anyone wants to try DoSing my new shiny search cluster?
[21:17:46] <brion>	 that's asking for trouble MaxSem :D
[21:18:15] <MaxSem>	 I'm currently running 60 processes and barely see the load;)
[21:18:43] <MaxSem>	 probably MySQL will even be the first to surrender
[22:25:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "Didn't test this yet, but looks good!" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/40306
[22:35:56] <tfinc>	 awjr: http://brewpi.com/ ;)
[22:37:11] <awjr>	 tfinc yesssss! one of the many projects on my todo list is to build a kegerator with a nice display, perhaps controlled by a raspberrypi :D
[22:40:23] <tfinc>	 awjr: looks like I'm busy 4-5 with sangeeta
[22:40:55] <awjr>	 tfinc: ok, im pretty beat so i might try to be out of here around 5. worst case scenario, we can coordinate asynchronously
[22:41:06] <tfinc>	 totally
[22:54:15] <MaxSem>	 awjr, I've merged your core change. Guess we don't need https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/42193/3/includes/MobileContext.php anymore?
[22:55:05] <awjr>	 MaxSem, awesome thanks! no, we don't, and we can update the other method in mobilefrontendbody
[22:55:42] <awjr>	 MaxSem: however, we may want to leave the functionality as-is in MF now until all production wikis have the updated DetectProtocol code
[22:56:13] <MaxSem>	 awjr, due to local hacks DetectProtocol already works fine on WMF
[22:56:55] <awjr>	 oright
[22:57:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jdlrobson; "code looks sound" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42348
[23:00:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix https detection, disable secure login by default" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42193
[23:00:12] <MaxSem>	 awjr, ^^^
[23:03:43] <awjr>	 MaxSem: needs a minor change, i -1'd
[23:05:34] <MaxSem>	 dammit
[23:06:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix https detection, disable secure login by default" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42193
[23:09:34] <MaxSem>	 jdlrobson, does https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/305 query PageImages in batch?
[23:10:45] * jdlrobson  looks

[23:10:52] <jdlrobson>	 yup
[23:11:38] <jdlrobson>	 first 50
[23:11:56] <jdlrobson>	 see L31 javascripts/specials/watchlist.js
[23:13:05] <MaxSem>	 cook, thanks
[23:13:10] <MaxSem>	 *cool
[23:37:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: JGonera; "What do you mean by "distangle the timestamp addition"? You mean the timestamps just in the list vie..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41205
[23:42:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/42193
[23:51:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: JGonera; "Overhaul watchlist UI [beta]" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41205
[23:51:55] <tfinc>	 brion: jcmish : any reason to not submit the v3.3iOS branch for app store review ?
[23:53:33] <brion>	 go for it
[23:54:15] <jcmish>	 same here
[23:54:24] <jcmish>	 how long do they take to review it at apple?
[23:55:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: JGonera; "Overhaul watchlist UI [beta]" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/41205
[23:56:25] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, if you're still not asleep: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/41205/
[23:56:32] <jdlrobson>	 trying to hold off on sleep a little ;-) will look
[23:57:30] <tfinc>	 jcmish: upwards of two weeks
[23:57:54] <jcmish>	 ah the apple way!
[23:59:52] <tfinc>	 sharing looks good. key is in. i'm going to ship it