[06:40:46] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/yw2E7A [06:40:46] android-commons/master 640a1da YuviPanda: Update to latest version of Support Library [06:40:46] android-commons/master 5396541 YuviPanda: Stop leaking Service Connections! [06:41:29] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #68: SUCCESS in 42 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/68/ [06:41:30] * yuvipanda: Update to latest version of Support Library [06:41:30] * yuvipanda: Stop leaking Service Connections! [07:06:14] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/bWmFkw [07:06:14] android-commons/master 1ec9be0 YuviPanda: Fix to make notifications not crash in 2.3... [07:06:14] android-commons/master 45f11aa YuviPanda: Update text for Notification to better fit available width [07:06:14] android-commons/master 604ba49 YuviPanda: Update IntelliJ file [07:06:30] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #69: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/69/ [07:06:30] * yuvipanda: Fix to make notifications not crash in 2.3 [07:06:31] * yuvipanda: Update text for Notification to better fit available width [07:06:31] * yuvipanda: Update IntelliJ file [07:06:32] * yuvipanda: Minor spacing fix [07:28:12] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/clSIbA [07:28:12] android-commons/master 8f75ed2 YuviPanda: Fix bug in releasing service connection [07:28:29] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #70: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/70/ [07:28:29] yuvipanda: Fix bug in releasing service connection [08:01:25] YuviPanda: ping [08:01:47] notnarayan: pong. [08:01:59] about to pack up and leave Pune. 'sup? [08:02:10] detail page has been updated. have a look at it when free. [08:02:34] YuviPanda: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Commons_media_discovery_app.png [08:03:21] will do [08:04:09] notnarayan: I just found out that there are stencils for various android design patterns on the android design site. [08:04:20] should be useful to avoid problems like non-standard action bar sizes, etc [08:04:21] brb [08:04:46] YuviPanda: i use them all the time. [08:05:43] notnarayan: oh? [08:05:45] interesting. [08:06:03] the non-standardish fonts and positioning on the action bar keeps throwing me off [08:06:15] YuviPanda: see some of the initial iterations. [08:07:00] notnarayan: are you going to update https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Commons_media_discovery_app.png to go back to action bar at the bottom, instead of the floats? [08:07:46] plus lots of weirdness. The icon seems to be default commons icon rather than the one you made (with white background), for example [08:09:02] wooohooo 2.3 stuff done. yay. [08:09:09] YuviPanda: well while i was making this, i wasn't sure if using the white would be ok. Iv got a conformation on that :) will change that. again thats trivial, ill give you the icons when you need them no. [08:09:23] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/wikimedia/android-commons/commit/8b0d0b3a4eb43f07fad05d0cfa487cb05303fc6c [08:09:23] android-commons/master 8b0d0b3 YuviPanda: Fix missing Content Provider in Android 2.3... [08:09:35] YuviPanda: about the action bar on android, it would become a lil inconsistent with iOS app :( [08:09:39] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #71: SUCCESS in 28 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/71/ [08:09:39] yuvipanda: Fix missing Content Provider in Android 2.3 [08:11:03] notnarayan: that is expected. [08:11:08] this is an Android app, not an iOS app, no? [08:11:25] as a User, I'm going to be switching between apps on my phone, so switching between iOS or android apps [08:11:34] not iOS *and* android apps [08:11:51] YuviPanda: its not that major really. a lot of apps have non standard controls. [08:12:00] and people do not like those [08:12:52] do you remember the hate that Java Swing apps used to get? [08:12:56] that's almost decades back. [08:13:13] YuviPanda: if everyone used the android standard stuff, won't all apps look the same? anyway, ill update it with a split action bar at the bottom. [08:13:41] notnarayan: they'll look the same only if they are built for doing the same things the same way [08:13:45] which I guess they are not :) [08:13:52] notnarayan: we should not be different for the sake of being different. [08:14:27] YuviPanda: one sec, do you need a mockup of how the split action bar would look like, haven't you already done that in the app [08:14:41] i guess you need the icons [08:15:16] notnarayan: well, more because anyone looking at the mockups will be misled... [08:15:40] YuviPanda: i see. ill update it to a boring scheme :| [08:19:54] notnarayan: I'm flying to blr today :) [08:20:02] meeting Vijay [08:20:13] YuviPanda: how long will you be in blare? [08:20:29] I think till weekend. Are you working from bhutan? [08:20:45] YuviPanda: yea [08:21:02] notnarayan: okay. I'll come over tomorrow late-morningish [08:21:16] YuviPanda: nice! [12:01:36] New patchset: Zfilipin; "Updated multi_json Ruby gem" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/48840 [12:01:36] New patchset: Zfilipin; "Updated Ruby gems" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49819 [16:05:15] New patchset: MaxSem; "Increase geosearch radius to 10km" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49833 [17:21:07] MaxSem: hi! i saw your solr monitoring changes have all been merged [17:21:23] and reverted and then merged again [17:21:29] and still not live [17:21:36] o_O [17:21:49] ok - are they all merged, just needing to be pushed now? [17:22:06] i'll need to ask paravoid [17:25:31] * YuviPanda looks around [17:26:15] awjr, are we deploying today? [17:26:32] MaxSem: that is currently still the plan [17:26:43] though i havent checked with michelle or looked at the logs yet to see what is ready to go [17:27:07] can you merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23108 ? [17:31:42] yeah MaxSem, i'll take a look shortly [17:32:02] also, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49833 [17:33:49] awjr, what's the use case for https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49354 - "uploaded an image using MobileFrontend"? [17:34:52] one sec MaxSem [17:36:45] MaxSem: details here: https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/397 but the idea is to be able to stick in a template or whatever for identifying mobile uploads [17:37:08] aha [17:37:18] so the string shouldn't be long [17:39:40] YuviPanda: ping [17:42:05] YuviPanda: I have to postpone our Android training again [17:42:21] right now i'm holding on to the theory that the Android SDK broke my macbook :D [17:42:27] but it's not proven :D [17:43:00] when in doubt, blame the sdk :D [17:43:20] MaxSem: i think it can be arbitrary [17:43:55] brion: my new motto [17:43:56] :D [17:44:06] whatsup jcmish, survive the apple store [17:44:07] ? [17:44:18] nope awjr can't get in for an hour [17:44:20] yeah - but I wanted to know how long it can be in a typical use case (aka for us) so that I could decide if it's worth to load it on every page view [17:44:33] so sitting at home trying to see what I can do with my iMac :D [17:44:55] MaxSem: ah gotcha [17:44:59] heh [17:45:17] brion: pong [17:45:22] fixes the 2.3 issues - all of them :D [17:45:24] jcmish: ah [17:45:28] that's... difficult [17:45:34] (to break macbook by sdk) [17:45:35] YuviPanda: yay! just wanted to check in on the 2.3 stuff since i've got my emulator booted [17:45:42] brion: give it a shot. [17:45:48] brion: so no progress bars in notifications for 2.3 [17:45:54] but I think that's an acceptable compromise [17:45:55] sync provider is working \o/ [17:45:59] I've spent far too many hours on that. [17:46:02] brion: indeed. That too :) [17:46:20] brion: only problem is flickering images on progress, which I'm now looking into [17:46:29] brion: but majority of problems are fixed! :D [17:46:47] nice [17:46:58] hmm somehow taking a simulated picture i got stuck in landscape mode [17:47:01] apparently it is possible that I've the beginnings of a slipped disc in my back, so getting schooled in not killing myself [17:47:07] brion: pffft. emulators [17:47:16] wish the android emu had a damn menu to remind you of the hotkeys [17:47:24] YuviPanda: ooooooowwww [17:47:44] brion: owww indeed. I have had chronic pain there for a while, but when you get in the zone and write code it is sortof hard to notice [17:48:18] YuviPanda: oh no! [17:48:50] Being a 'travelling programmer' is apparently not good for your back [17:49:05] YuviPanda: i have some difficulty with the details screen where you input the title & description; it won't scroll and I can't easily get from the description field to the upload button [17:49:14] this is on simulated nexus one [17:49:25] YuviPanda: do some physical therapy if you can! a slipped disc is NOT fun at all :( [17:49:31] jcmish: our meeting clashed with Mobile App syncup, so wanted to push it anyway [17:49:39] awjr: indeed. I've to schedule an appointment. [17:49:49] problem is *where*. I'm not in one city for more than 3 weeks... [17:49:51] (or 2) [17:49:52] two years ago i had disc in my back slip the day before a 3-day trip to Austria... [17:49:55] YuviPanda: cool [17:49:56] ow [17:49:58] it was a really shitty trip [17:50:08] brion: with keyboard on or without? [17:50:15] YuviPanda: let's shoot for Thursday [17:50:21] brion: so the description field is multiline and I believe that is what is causing the problem. [17:50:26] YuviPanda: showing on-screen keyboard, but i was typing with the physical one [17:50:32] question is should it be or not. [17:50:36] yeah, hitting "enter" just does return in there. [17:50:50] brion: right. that's a general problem, I guess. our screens don't respond properly to having a keyboard present [17:50:53] YuviPanda: yeah, that's tough - if you can be in one spot for a few weeks to go through the PT, you can start doing all the exercised and stuff on your own once you've gone through things with a doctor [17:51:17] ok so that's one we can mark down to fix next iteration or two :) [17:51:36] New review: awjrichards; "Patch Set 1: Verified+2" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49833 [17:51:43] New review: awjrichards; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+2" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49833 [17:51:45] Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49833 [17:51:57] java.io.FileNotFoundException: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/test/thumb/b/b4/Android_roxxors-.jpeg/320px-Android_roxxors-.jpeg [17:52:06] not falling back yet if the estimated thumbnail fails? [17:52:11] that's ok we'll get to it [17:52:18] jcmish, are we in a merge freeze? [17:52:39] MaxSem: I'm digging through what we hae [17:52:53] was gonna ask awjr are we still deploying today [17:52:54] or do we do it tomorrow instead? [17:52:56] we are [17:53:13] jcmish: yes, we have had no change in plans [17:53:27] awjr: the mingle boards are up to date yes? [17:53:40] jcmish: afaik, i havent looked at the logs yet so i dont know what current state of things is [17:53:49] YuviPanda: if you can't make the progress bar work on 2.3, we'll just live without the bar i think. we're being generous in working on 2.3 at all ;) [17:54:08] awjr: gotcha umm I can't get the logs going until I get my machine back online [17:54:15] brion: that's weird. why did it fail? [17:54:29] so yup MaxSem we're in freeze but I don't know where it starts :D I'm looking through gerrit now [17:54:32] YuviPanda: original file is 320x240, so it won't create a thumbnail at or larger than original :) [17:54:36] brion: indeed. The camera on the Galaxy Ace I have is pretty shitty. [17:54:41] brion: doh. No no fallback yet :P [17:55:01] i'm gonna keep after you on that one, don't forget it ;) [17:55:12] brion: on the plus side, our notifications on 4.x are now much nicer [17:55:16] since they're 'standard' ones [17:55:17] yay [17:55:20] awesome [17:55:31] and actually do indeterminate / determinate progressbars as appropriate [17:55:34] in proper Holo style [17:55:54] i'm seriously thinking of dropping iOS 5 support entirely, i've started depending on newer libraries and there's a jailbreak for iOS 6.x out now [17:56:15] awjr: yeah, a friend who went through a similar thing sat me down and gave me a stern lecture that has scared me sufficiently [17:56:20] at quick glance it looks like it'll be a pretty small deployment today - which will be nice after last week [17:56:39] it's TINY [17:56:43] I can't complain :D [17:57:13] good YuviPanda :) you definitely wanna get that taken care of and take steps to not let it happen again [17:57:24] tfinc is in a leadership thingy right? so I assume we're not doing our apps checkin with him today [17:58:23] brion: wasn't that last week? [17:58:23] or is that this week too? [17:58:29] was it? we'll find out soon enough :) [17:58:33] heh [17:58:48] it's hard to keep track of these things from afar [17:59:37] brion: we could just do it on IRC :P [17:59:40] * YuviPanda <3 IRC [17:59:52] true dat [18:00:54] brion: so on android I don't want to do the floating action buttons, but stick to the standard actionbar pattern [18:01:44] ok [18:01:59] going with the smaller grid? [18:02:10] brion: so that's another thing too. if we go with the smaller grid then no titles. [18:02:28] true, we lose room for that [18:02:49] what do you think about the idea of a zoomable grid? [18:03:19] brion: discovery would be a problem, I think. [18:03:27] plus it can't really 'zoom' smoothly, no? [18:03:33] especially if you want no empty spaces [18:03:52] you can go from 'enough for two columns' to 'enough for 1 column' but that's going to be not smooth [18:03:52] i'm happy to have some empty spaces between tiles [18:04:17] could have the zoom stick at appropriate-sized notches... [18:04:19] meh i dunno [18:04:56] brion: but how 'some'? If we have a 4dp padding for example, that still doesn't leave us much steps [18:05:31] yeah maybe not worth the effort. [18:05:41] could do a slider with fixed points but then it's not as pretty [18:06:13] MaxSem: merged https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/23108/ [18:06:21] thanks! [18:06:37] brion: indeed. And I dunno if not giving them a way at all to look at images + titles is a good ide [18:06:38] a [18:07:11] i think images are more important than titles, you can always get to the title on the detail view [18:09:48] brion: hmm, there's again the problem of images that look very similar [18:10:24] well what's the problem that needs solving? is there difficulty distinguishing between the images? [18:11:28] yes. [18:11:49] what is the user doing that they have to tell the pictures apart? [18:11:52] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/D4PfdA [18:11:52] android-commons/master 1a860c6 YuviPanda: Cleanup gridview code to use appropriate Java object [18:11:54] there's not even a detail view yet [18:12:18] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #72: SUCCESS in 32 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/72/ [18:12:19] yuvipanda: Cleanup gridview code to use appropriate Java object [18:12:24] and if there was, you'd see the titles in it :) [18:12:33] brion: that is true. I'll do detail view today. [18:12:42] spiff [18:12:51] brion: again, I'm not sure of thumbs only :P but simple enough to make 2 versions and test them around [18:13:02] \o/ [18:13:17] let's toss the issue at our designer friends [18:13:28] i just got a very ominous limechat alert. [18:13:35] hehe [18:13:37] hahaha :P [18:13:44] brion: should we toss it now? [18:13:51] sure [18:14:05] make sure we put it on the mailing list too so shankar and others can get in on it [18:14:50] munaf: 'displaying title + image on my contributions view vs just displaying images' [18:15:02] (user can tap on image to always view title + more info) [18:15:11] ooh updates to android sdk. this might fix my '4.2 emulator crashes' issue [18:15:25] brion: I'm happy to never have to use the emulator :D [18:15:32] * YuviPanda has a 4.2, 4.1, 2.3 device [18:15:55] i ordered a nexus 4 to run ubuntu phone on when the developer images come out :D [18:15:56] i'd definitely agree that we should display that info YuviPanda. will talk with shankar/vibha about whether or not tapping is the best affordance [18:15:58] too many devices... [18:16:04] er, not affordance, interaction [18:16:35] munaf: general problem is that we have to balance detail packing vs number of items [18:16:43] gotcha. [18:16:44] munaf: so that sortof blocks one other thing, that is if we display titles then we need to make thumbnails a little larger, and hence lesser number of items per screen [18:16:51] exactly. [18:17:06] big enough to show titles means we can only get 2-3 items on the screen at once [18:17:10] fair enough. we'll play with it :-) [18:17:36] indeed. The android code is flexible enough to make multiple variants of this particular issue in minutes, so... :) [18:17:39] greetings all [18:17:47] boooo, 4.2 emulator still crashes [18:17:51] howdy tfinc [18:17:55] good morning Lord Tomasz. [18:18:07] brion: MUNI wasn't too bad [18:18:10] tfinc: is your thingamajig all done and we're back on regular meeting schedule? [18:18:12] oh good [18:18:26] (me is in a different city now. yay) [18:18:28] i just have nightmares of flooded stations and stopped trains :P [18:18:37] YuviPanda: greetings Governor Panda. hows goes rule over the Android dominion ? are our battles successful ? [18:18:54] brion: you saw the video of van ness last year when that happened right ? [18:18:57] New review: MaxSem; "Patch Set 1: Code-Review+1" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/49354 [18:19:06] tfinc: indeed. biggest demon from the lands of 2.3 compatibility issues has been slain! [18:19:10] whee [18:19:30] tfinc: and our EventLogging spies bring successful and accurate information from the enemy's every action. [18:19:37] (okay, user's) [18:19:46] :D [18:19:59] and I have stat1 access, and ori-l spent some time showing me the ropes, so all is well now :) [18:19:59] YuviPanda: then in the words of Worf. We shall destroy them. [18:20:01] YuviPanda: are we settled on the schemas? i've got preliminary support in iOS, just need to finalize and add to the login screen [18:20:22] YuviPanda: granted i'd like to think our users aren't our enemys but we are mere servants for them [18:21:02] omg the panda is planning an overthrow [18:21:05] tfinc: that works, but I think that wouldn't fit in with the 'battle' theme [18:21:08] android 2.3 users are slightly our enemy, but just because they're hard to support ;) [18:21:39] brion: android 2.3 is the enemy, not users :P [18:21:43] they need liberating, of course [18:21:50] users are occupied :D [18:21:59] indeed. [18:22:06] we should create an android 4 app for android 2.3 [18:22:23] yes, but set minimum requirement to 4.0 :D :D [18:22:28] cruelty! [18:22:39] 'Android 4 for Android 2.3' (Not compatible with your device) [18:22:51] YuviPanda: i got auto identify to work without any external tool for limechat [18:22:54] * tfinc is very happy [18:22:58] tfinc: :D [18:23:18] * YuviPanda still loves ZNC [18:23:26] especially now I have it automatically change my nick when I'm not there [18:23:37] i get stable logs and people can ping me anytime. [18:23:53] YuviPanda: i have been playing with tapchat, but it doesnt play very nice with znc [18:24:00] or at least, i haven't figured out how to get them to play nice [18:24:07] jcmish: do put our 'conquer android emulator' meeting in calendar [18:24:17] awjr: oh, as in, tapchat -> znc -> freenode? [18:24:21] yeah [18:24:23] YuviPanda: i really do love the bottom window of other channels now that i'm used to it [18:24:30] tfinc: YES! It is amazing [18:24:31] YuviPanda: yup one other question [18:24:39] all IRC clients should steal that feature [18:24:41] YuviPanda: are you on the design mailing list? [18:24:43] do you like earlier in the day? [18:24:49] brion: no. I shall be now. [18:24:58] jcmish: sure! [18:25:02] Not sure what time you work... [18:25:03] excellent. there's a thread on the commons app shankar started last week, we can add to it [18:25:05] cool [18:25:07] jcmish: me neither :P [18:25:10] hahaha [18:25:21] the problem is, the tapchat server is basically an always on client to ZNC - even when you're not connected to tapchat. this means you kinda lose out on some of the nice htings about znc (logged backscroll while you were disconnected, znc modules that do things when all clients disconnect [eg auto away]) [18:25:35] tfinc: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yuvi_GNUnify_2013.jpg :P [18:26:39] awjr: quick get a mustache on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yuvi_GNUnify_2013.jpg so that it scares me less [18:27:06] hahaha [18:27:20] tfinc: i already have more of a mustache than yuvi in that pic, it's on it's way back :) [18:27:25] :P [18:27:32] awjr: I now have a lazinessbeard/moustache [18:27:47] \o/ [18:27:54] YuviPanda: mine has now surpassed the lazybeard/stache and has entered the why-doesn't-he-groom-himself phase [18:28:02] :D [18:28:14] i think it will be stuck there for a while :p [18:29:07] brb [18:30:10] tfinc: are you in the office or do you have the leadership event still on? [18:30:16] YuviPanda: i am in the office [18:30:24] right. so meeting in 30 [18:30:25] and am super powered with leadership skills now [18:30:42] shall we all call you Lord Tomasz/ [18:30:43] ? [18:30:47] tfinc: uhoh we don't want you practicing on us [18:31:09] hmm, I don't find notnarayn online [18:31:18] geez this 'fix your posture' thing is hard. [18:34:44] back [18:34:55] awjr: MaxSem: is everything settled with open source days logistics ? [18:34:58] brion: can you respond on the design thread? I just subscribed would be hard to respond, I suppose [18:35:06] (that and I am lazy :P) [18:35:08] yep [18:35:12] heh [18:35:28] awjr: I just read Mark's response [18:35:40] so does this mean for squid configs [18:35:42] we are good to go? [18:35:47] brion: also Creation API? :P [18:36:05] ah i'll have to finish that up this week so we can use it next iter or so [18:36:07] tfinc, I'm waiting for visa and thus tickets are not purchased yet (the embassy recommends it this way) - other than that should be ready to go [18:36:36] brion: yup! [18:36:48] jcmish: possibly, it sounds like antoine has already taken initiative on it and is already close :) [18:37:06] MaxSem: k [18:37:17] awjr: good stuff [18:37:23] MaxSem: awjr: where are you with prep for the actual work @ open source days ? [18:38:52] tfinc: awaiting an agenda, and max and i still need to sync up about any other logistical stuff for on the ground in denmark that needs sorting [18:39:17] brion: ion has unsuccessfully tried to message you about tech screen. please respond to him as we want to move through the next round fast [18:39:40] tfinc: ok [18:40:05] YuviPanda: what have we learned from your access to stat1 ? [18:40:26] tfinc: that, perhaps, the current level of eventlogging might be a bit... too much? [18:40:30] especially recording Usernames [18:40:34] but other than that, nothing. [18:40:41] YuviPanda: we could care less about usernames at this point [18:40:42] because we dont' have people usint it yet [18:40:59] tfinc: unique identifiers. [18:41:27] so I can tell you exactly who tried to upload what file at what time, and if it suceeded or failed [18:41:29] same with login [18:41:43] and I can also tell if someone thought of uploading a file but cancelled [18:43:42] login successes, failures, and why they failed [18:43:46] i care if someone rant into that but at this point i dont need to know who that was [18:43:47] tfinc: I think that's pretty complete enough. [18:43:50] knowing what happens is enough [18:43:55] nice [18:44:21] we're recording usernames because that's the easiest way to track unique users (mobile web has easy access to tokens, we don't) [18:44:28] tfinc: oh, and I also know which method they used to upload [18:44:38] gallery, camera from inside app, or via 'share' from another app [18:45:25] YuviPanda: sent to design list [18:45:27] YuviPanda: setup a dashboard so that i can start seeing those [18:45:37] we want that before the apps go live in the store later this week [18:46:11] tfinc: I'll talk to Maryana and figure out what to do. Maybe there's one from analytics already that we can use (that would be nice). If not I can put up a simple one with key metrics. [18:46:31] YuviPanda: ask maryana and just plug into LIMN [18:46:40] tfinc: ok arranged tech screen call w/ ion [18:47:01] YuviPanda: something like this as the first pass is fine http://toolserver.org/~dartar/reg2/#mobile [18:47:06] I also need to submit the wikimania form that erik sent out [18:47:18] i dont need pretty. i just need update numbers that i don't have to ask you for [18:48:58] Maryana: how easy / hard do you think would be putting up something like that? [18:49:08] yuvipanda: a dashboard of what? [18:49:58] Maryana: Uploads. And logins. [18:50:08] tfinc: meeting in 10? [18:50:15] YuviPanda: yes. i cut it down to 30min [18:50:25] yeah saw that. good call, I think [18:50:29] YuviPanda: will shankar be there ? [18:50:45] tfinc: I just texted him. [18:51:53] yuvipanda: unfortunately, i'm no dashboards expert. uploads would be good to graph as a time series, but it doesn't seem like logins would be super helpful for an app - you'd get a spike of users logging in and then a drop, since they'd all stay logged in, right? [18:52:56] Maryana: right. [18:53:16] sounds reasonable. Is there someone at analytics I can poke? [18:53:16] Maryana: wont they have to fetch a new login token ? [18:53:16] err [18:53:17] YuviPanda: --^ [18:53:18] tfinc: nope. [18:53:23] nice [18:53:36] password saved. so only if they actually *change* their passwords do they have to do something [18:53:51] (password saved with Android's account manager stuff, so not going to be snooped by other apps, etc) [18:53:53] YuviPanda: so how could i see people who are launching the app but not uploading photos ? [18:55:11] yuvipanda: dan andreescu is the points person for limn [18:55:24] tfinc: 'set of people who have logged in' - 'set of people who have uploaded one picture' [18:55:39] Maryana: what is his nick? millimetric? [18:55:45] YuviPanda: thus i need the number of people have logged in as asked for [18:55:49] hmm, not sure.. [18:55:50] dont scratch that [18:56:44] Maryana: yeah, that's him [18:58:18] finally http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/02/security-enhancements-in-jelly-bean.html#secure-debugging [18:58:21] \o/ [18:59:30] * YuviPanda clicks [19:24:18] brion: I also see no email from you on the design list archives? [19:24:36] oh nevermind [19:24:42] ah good :D [19:33:38] brion: I'm going to add a field to both schemas identifying the device [19:33:53] brion: let's just make it 'DeviceName / OSVersion'? [19:33:57] device meaning OS, CPU info, or device model? [19:34:07] some identifier [19:34:14] 'DeviceModel / OS Version' [19:34:19]