[00:09:28] ragesoss: one of the things I'd like to do [00:09:39] ragesoss: is connect an android tv to a 42" screen [00:09:41] run the app on it [00:09:43] and see how that goes [00:09:57] thumbnails will be *heavily* pixelated :D [00:10:12] Project MobileFrontend-mac-ipad build #304: UNSTABLE in 4 min 18 sec: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-ipad/304/ [00:10:12] reedy: Bug 45742 - Link to CC-by-SA on uploads should go to Creative Commons [00:18:02] yuvi: I can do that. 40" [00:21:04] ragesoss: you have one? [00:22:09] ragesoss: an android set top box as well? [00:23:14] https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Big_screen_Commons_app.jpeg [00:23:34] ragesoss: that was not bad at all! [00:23:50] yeah, looks good! [00:24:14] ragesoss: i should at some point implement something like slideshow support [00:24:21] ragesoss: is this connected to your tablet/ [00:24:27] ragesoss: i think slideshow support + campaigns would go well [00:24:42] ragesoss: we could have a few of these up at wikimania, showcasing the wikimania campaign [00:24:57] yes, my tablet. visible in the shot. [00:25:57] you'd need to code in some screen-off logic. [00:26:20] keep it awake while plugged in. [00:27:49] nice [00:32:20] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Cleanup: Remove unused css" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52567 [00:42:09] jgonera: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/52270/ [00:53:53] ragesoss: file bug :P [00:54:07] ragesoss: oh wait. that bug is for a feature (slideshow) that doesn't exist yet [00:54:08] nevermind [00:55:25] brion: tfinc http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [00:55:27] woohoo :) [00:55:32] head to the bottom first [00:55:46] that's our 7 day average unique uploaders graph [00:56:02] it's a little cluttered :) [00:57:26] nice! [00:57:38] I should get rid of per-source breakdowns [00:58:03] tfinc: they're currently being updated manually. we'll have an automated updating process very soon [00:58:09] (I am putting in an rt ticket that is needed) [00:58:11] k [00:58:26] YuviPanda: what are you thoughts on LIMN so far? [00:58:52] tfinc: it's pretty neat. limnpy generated all the config files for me, and it did a pretty good job, I'd think [00:59:03] tfinc: note that this is the first ever EventLogging -> Limn dashboard [00:59:08] so a lot of stuff is being worked out [00:59:12] YuviPanda: will it be easy for the web team to plug into this ? [00:59:20] tfinc: yup yup [00:59:43] tfinc: they just need an sql query. [01:00:19] and maryana can easily add that [01:00:46] yeah [01:00:54] tfinc: I'm going to get rid of per-source breakdowns. clutter too mcuh [01:00:58] k [01:01:27] tfinc: so i'm going to have only 1. unique uploads (7 day moving average) 2. uploads (per day) [01:01:35] split by platform [01:01:36] good enough? [01:01:48] and error uploads and cancelled ones [01:02:01] sure. for now [01:02:10] yes [01:03:09] YuviPanda: niiiiiice [01:12:47] tfinc: I'd update the graphs but... labs is down :) [01:35:49] hey marktraceur [01:35:50] err [01:35:51] Maryana: [01:35:53] feeling better? [01:36:04] tfinc: i made the de-cluttering updates. they should be deployed in a few minutes [01:36:09] yes, mercifully. thanks, yuvi :) [01:36:47] Hi anyway, YuviPanda! [01:36:50] Maryana: feel better :) [01:36:54] hey again, marktraceur [01:37:04] Maryana: mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org if you haven't seen :) [01:37:56] oooh, shiny [01:40:42] tfinc: Maryana much less clutter now http://mobile-reportcard-dev.wmflabs.org/ [01:41:38] yeah, that looks really good! [01:42:02] nice to start with the graph that shows us how close we are to our big target goal [01:42:07] yup! [01:42:21] now we just need some mobile web ones up there :) [01:42:39] if juliuz wants he can take a crack at ot [01:42:41] *it [01:42:44] or if you want I can too [01:43:19] hmm, diederik put an invite in my calendar to discuss dashboard acceptance critera - i'm not sure if that's what he wants to talk about or not [01:43:52] Maryana: well, someone has to write the SQL :) [01:45:50] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Bug 44017: Cleanup ResourceLoader mess" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52577 [01:46:36] Maryana: that graph has a long way to go before it hits 1000 [01:50:17] Maryana: all that we'll need are the sql queries in order to incorporate the mobile web graphs [01:50:56] ok. i assume that's what diederik wants to chat about tomorrow [01:53:32] tfinc: http://mobile-reportcard-dev.wmflabs.org/ is decluttered [01:53:40] (not sure if you saw) [01:53:49] YuviPanda: i just showed it to diederik [01:54:00] I'm adding appropriate labels [01:54:20] Maryana: when can we get the web stats in ? [01:55:09] New patchset: JGonera; "Bug 44133: Deprecate mwMobileFrontendConfig and setConfig, getConfig" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52270 [01:55:18] hopefully soon. the data is structured the same way as the app upload stuff, so it should be trivial to add web stuff [02:05:21] Maryana: great. which sprint will it fall into ? [02:06:02] probably this one [02:33:34] Maryana: do you mean the current sprint ? [02:36:21] tfinc: next [05:06:01] * greg-g waves [05:06:07] * greg-g waves at Rolken [09:14:43] hey awjr [09:15:13] hi MaxSem [09:15:21] im eating bratwurst and drinking beer in frankfurt [09:15:24] how is Copenhagen? [09:15:27] oops [09:15:39] still havren't arrived... [09:19:19] heh no not yet [09:19:27] my flight to copenhagen is not for another two hours or so [09:19:44] enogh time to enjoy beer:) [09:19:59] awjr, how we will meet tomorrow? [09:20:06] hehehe yep - it wouldn't be a layover in germany without sausage and beer [09:21:19] MaxSem: hopefully i will have a local sim card this afternoon and we can coordinate by phone. worst case scenario, we can plan to meet up at the hotel in the afternoon [09:21:40] aha [09:24:41] New patchset: awjrichards; "(mingle #410) Add X-CS request/response header handling support" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [09:25:32] * MaxSem takes awjr's laptop away from him [09:25:42] nooooooooooooooooooooo [09:36:36] New review: awjrichards; "Related Varnish change - though still waiting on confirmation on the final nomenclature for the Zero..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [14:50:34] awjr, how's the weather?:P [14:51:50] not bad MaxSem [14:52:06] a little chilly for my desert-thinned blood, but actually pretty nice [14:52:06] is it cold after Arizona? [14:52:17] heh [14:52:32] YuviPanda: Re "Send feedback": Depends on the kind of feedback that you want to receive via that feature. If it's generic, post it to a wikisite, if it's clearly bug reports, post it to Bugzilla? [14:52:51] YuviPanda, iOS/Android: I must admit I forgot that, sorry. Last week in SF was a bit "busy" :-/ [14:52:55] andre__: well, on the app there is probably not going to be enough details. and what website, really? [14:52:58] andre__: yeah, that's okay :) [14:53:04] awjr, have you read the thread regarding tomorrow? [14:53:35] YuviPanda, could you send me an email about Android/iOS and the problem? It's more likely that I won't forget this time. ;) [14:53:37] MaxSem: yep [14:53:44] YuviPanda, aklapper at wikimedia.org [14:53:49] andre__: sure. [14:53:55] thanks [14:54:14] MaxSem: im meeting up with nimish soon and i'll chat with him about it - i have no idea what his schedule is like [14:57:46] awjr, are you using hotel's wi-fi? is it good? [14:58:45] MaxSem: seems so, but i haven't *really* tested it yet :p [14:58:47] just irc and email [14:58:52] heh [14:59:02] got a new sim already? [15:19:33] @PissedPandawhich PackageName should I pick? [17:13:53] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Maintenance: Css cleanup" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52627 [18:02:27] * jdlrobson looks around [18:02:35] * PissedPanda throws chicken65 at jdlrobson [18:02:45] hi jdlrobson [18:02:48] PissedPanda: i'm in a plane! your chicken65 cannot reach me! [18:02:56] you joining us for the story review today? [18:02:59] you are in a plane with wifi? [18:03:06] Maryana: i'm on planes all day :( [18:03:12] PissedPanda: yes :) [18:03:15] d'oh [18:03:27] well, i'm going to drastically prune the next iteration story wall [18:03:33] just fyi [18:03:35] are you feeling better Maryana ? [18:03:36] planes, wi-fi, how boring [18:03:41] want to talk about current story wall? [18:03:55] aren't planes for sleping?:P [18:03:55] jdlrobson: I'm on land but with 256kbps internet. sigh. [18:03:55] +1 to MaxSem [18:03:57] PissedPanda: it's probably faster up here [18:03:57] * PissedPanda is getting on a plane tomorrow! [18:04:02] jdlrobson: definitely [18:04:04] yes, thanks, jdlrobson :) [18:04:06] * jdlrobson checks [18:04:17] so Maryana did you get up to date on the photo upload situation? [18:04:24] PissedPanda, how much are you paying for it? [18:04:25] we have two possible solutions [18:04:31] Maryana: are we still meeting? really I'm just wanted to go over the story wall for prioritization today [18:04:42] MaxSem: it is 25GB at 2mbps, then 256kbps. [18:04:46] but if your'e gonna prune it I can just look at it after :D [18:04:46] I think something like 30$ a month [18:04:57] jcmish, yeah, lemme see what jdlrobson has to say about it [18:05:07] Maryana: kayo [18:05:19] MaxSem: you are in europ! upload pics to commons! :P [18:05:22] so we have two possible solutions? [18:05:31] Maryana option 1) We start uploading to local wiki. The benefits of this are we simplify a lot of our code and minimize errors and can be guaranteed the user is logged in. Cons: we then have a load of images on local wiki that need to be moved [18:06:00] right... [18:06:14] umm, it was something this order of magnitude (25 gigs for 30 bucks) like 4 years ago there, but after you exceeded the limit, you paid per gigabyte, not your speed was reduced [18:06:17] 2) We update the local api so that we can upload directly to commons through it e.g. action=upload&project=commons. Theoretically it should be possible but that would be a chunk of work and MaxSem would need to provide guidance on how much work that is. [18:06:37] PissedPanda, I'm still in Russia [18:06:46] annoy awjr_away:P [18:06:47] MaxSem: I should switch to the other provider, but that's 45$ for 75G at 4mbps [18:06:52] MaxSem: hah! [18:06:53] maxsem, any idea of the difficulty on updating local api? [18:07:12] assume that everyone drops what they're doing and pitches in to work on this.. [18:07:20] mmm [18:07:35] option 3) We introduce Special:Handshake - this is an idea me and jgonera were banding about yesterday. Basically what it does is when you go to the login page for the first time we redirect to the user to a commons page called Special:Handshake which then redirects you back to the login page. The pros of this are that it forces a visit to commons so on logging in the cookies will get set, the cons are it delays the initial login experience b [18:07:35] strange redirect - it's not clear how this will effect user experience [18:07:37] pretty sure that there are a lot of corner cases [18:07:42] Maryana: so those are your 3 options [18:07:52] let me put it this way - is it something we can realistically accomplish in one iteration, maxsem? [18:08:21] PissedPanda: I have a ping of 202ms and 0.85mbps [18:08:28] jdlrobson, heheh [18:08:28] and i'm on a plane!!! [18:08:53] jdlrobson: ping 300ms to google [18:09:00] hey, .mobi is know as a mobile TLD, but is there also ".mobl"? i see it has been proposed years ago, and we do have wikimediacommons.mobl in our DNS zones, but "No whois server is known for this kind of object. [18:09:02] handshake is easy, but requires a security review first, as redirecting back and forth based on URL parameters is scary [18:09:05] Maryana: i'm hoping there is wifi on the next flight too [18:09:31] Maryana: personally I think option 1 or 2 is the right way [18:09:33] so I'd say upload locally for now and search for a nice solution without a rush [18:09:56] hmm. the problem with that is that we've dedicated ourselves to an ops sprint after this one [18:10:06] so we won't be able to get to this again, realistically, until mid april [18:10:30] i can see localwiki file patrollers getting pretty pissed at us for dumping hundreds of files on their wiki.. [18:10:46] Maryana: we could also have a hybrid that falls back to local wiki [18:10:52] that will reduce uploads to local wiki [18:10:57] that could be reasonable [18:11:05] unless it's really crazy fragmenting of the code [18:11:05] I'm pretty sure we could create a bot that moves mobile web uploads to local wiki to commons it just opens up question such as what if that user doesn't exist on commons [18:11:15] Maryana: not really. It shouldn't be too hard [18:11:42] jdlrobson, that shouldn't be a problem. with single user login, all users who create new accounts automatically create them across project [18:11:49] *projects [18:12:03] bah, decisions decisions [18:13:39] Maryana: in other news I added another bullet point to https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/436 [18:14:17] k, well, i guess what i'm going to do is take these three options (plus the hybrid option) and use the story review to go over them [18:14:56] and in the meantime prune the story wall so we have wiggle room for a potentially large-ish chunk of work on centralauth [18:14:56] jdlrobson, as the matter of fact I wrote a similar script for WLM a while ago [18:15:28] MaxSem: \o/ [18:15:30] oh yeah, i thought WLM had something like that [18:15:36] tempting [18:15:38] ok Maryana [18:15:41] jdlrobson: Maryana I can't seem to be able to comment on card 436, but *please* consider adding {{Information}} tags to mobile uploads [18:15:44] s/tags/templates/ [18:15:59] however, I created local account on COmmons manually then (there were just 3 of them anyway) [18:17:26] Maryana: i've reviewed story board - left 2 stories with comments that need to be addressed/discussed before they can be estimated [18:17:52] PissedPanda: that's what the last bullet is about [18:18:05] whether we should change the format of the description text [18:18:30] yeah, I'm giving a +1 for that :) plus there is an RFC going on for making data in {{Information}} available via an API [18:18:58] jdlrobson, which ones? [18:19:13] Maryana: [18:19:13] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/grid?aggregate_property%5Bcolumn%5D=story+points&aggregate_type%5Bcolumn%5D=sum&color_by=type&favorite_id=625&filters%5B%5D=%5BType%5D%5Bis%5D%5BStory%5D&filters%5B%5D=%5BType%5D%5Bis%5D%5BTask%5D&filters%5B%5D=%5BType%5D%5Bis%5D%5BBug%5D&filters%5B%5D=%5BType%5D%5Bis%5D%5BInfrastructure%5D&filters%5B%5D=%5BIteration%5D%5Bis%5D%5B%28Next+iteration%29%5D&group_by%5Blane%5D=status&lanes=In [18:19:14] lysis%2CReady+for+Estimation%2CReady+for+Development%2CIn+Development%2CAwaiting+Final+Code+Review%2CReady+for+Testing%2CIn+Testing%2CReady+for+Signoff%2CAccepted&tab=All [18:19:20] 426 and 437 [18:19:27] we can discuss 437 now if you want? [18:19:32] sure [18:19:48] so we have the timestamp which is unique [18:19:57] We could either derive something from the description text or the page title or the username [18:20:46] i would say description text [18:20:59] * Rolken waves at greg-g [18:21:01] but we'd probably have to truncate awkwardly [18:21:12] Rolken: hi there, roommate [18:21:23] hi ;] [18:21:40] * jdlrobson looks if there are any nice js libraries out there [18:21:58] hey Rolken [18:22:01] you are greg-g's roommate? [18:22:58] gonna be thrown offline soon btw Maryana (for landing) [18:23:19] ok, i will work on clearing up 426 - i haven't had time to check in w/vibha at all about it :-/ [18:23:24] PissedPanda: yea :o [18:23:29] Maryana: we could just truncate description [18:23:30] wha, nice [18:23:34] what kind of descriptions are we getting so far? [18:23:35] small world [18:23:40] indeed [18:23:44] jdlrobson, they're generally short [18:23:49] people don't like thumb typing :) [18:24:05] We could also make description single line... [18:24:10] (rather than textarea) [18:24:14] will encourage shortness [18:24:21] good idea [18:24:26] that would be a separate story, though, right? [18:25:00] no brion [18:25:00] Maryana, that can be a bug or a 1 point story [18:25:09] kk :) [18:25:16] Maryana: same one [18:25:27] Let's just package it all into the same thing - code wise it's the same [18:26:08] okey doke [18:27:08] Maryana: also put in a note that we need to respect legal filename characters [18:27:17] right [18:27:19] i'm trying to pull up the code/wiki page we used for WLM [18:29:49] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/437, better? [18:30:21] also, i need to hunt down vibha to see if she has a design for this: https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/426 [18:30:25] if not, we'll need to punt on it [18:35:24] jdlrobson: there? [18:38:15] ori-l: he's in a metal tube moving at high velocities through the planet's atmosphere [18:47:56] hey all [18:48:14] hey brion :) [18:48:27] what's got you pissed, PissedPanda ? [18:48:33] 256kbps internet [18:49:07] ouuuuuch [18:49:42] yeah [18:49:47] jon was in a flight [18:49:50] and had better internet than I did [18:50:43] rofl [18:51:29] yeah [18:52:01] Maryana, the uploads discussion seems to have died [18:52:22] sorry, meeting w/howie to talk about it [18:57:16] brion: http://appscout.pcmag.com/none/308889-upload-and-share-photos-with-wikimedia-commons-for-android woot! [18:57:37] wooo [18:57:38] that was fast [18:57:39] \o/ [18:57:56] wooooooo [18:58:09] * PissedPanda is less pissed [18:58:14] :) [18:58:17] tfinc: did you talk to jay about communications / publicity? [18:58:28] I tried spamming it to Reddit, but it failed. [18:58:35] ragesoss: where did you put it on? [18:58:41] I'm planning on an r/android post at some point [18:58:55] ragesoss: you know what would work? We can make brion do an AMA :P [18:58:55] umm... I did r/wikipedia and r/Pittsburgh [18:59:02] heh [18:59:07] totes! [18:59:11] yesss! [18:59:12] totoally [19:05:05] PissedPanda: brion is already doing a blog post for Monday [19:05:12] i mentioned this yesterday [19:05:13] mondayyyyyyyyy [19:05:16] yes! [19:05:21] brion: can you share a draft with me? [19:05:25] whenever you've started it :) [19:05:28] PissedPanda: i will later today :D [19:05:38] tfinc: i think you'll find an RT ticket cc on your mailbox. Can you please +1 or approve it? [19:06:04] you can poke DarTar for more justification if you want. It's ncessary to set up the dashboard to be auto-updating [19:07:49] Maryana: where can i see our upcoming performance sprint ? [19:08:27] PissedPanda: i have no RT mail. whats the ticket # ? [19:08:43] tfinc: https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=4687&results=dc1f8f2885139f8be90da1071f84e76f [19:09:14] done [19:09:23] sweet. [19:09:49] tfinc, we haven't spec'ed it out yet [19:10:06] there's an etherpad with raw notes from the ops/mobile tech sync up somewhere [19:10:52] Maryana: yes. have we written storys for those ? [19:10:58] when is that sprint going to happen ? [19:11:35] end of march/beginning of april [19:11:40] they haven't been written yet [19:12:00] Maryana: can you give me the specific dates ? i want to forward them to the ops team [19:12:10] one sec [19:14:18] thanks [19:15:31] yurik_: heh [19:15:39] oops, PissedPanda [19:15:45] the yurik/yuvi thing is already causing issues [19:15:48] :D [19:15:53] LOL [19:16:03] yu [19:16:25] ori-l: this should make things easier [19:16:26] oops :P [19:16:33] LOLOL [19:16:52] * ori-l cries. [19:17:27] haha :D [19:17:41] tfinc: march 25th to april 9th [19:18:39] Maryana: thanks! [19:18:47] np [19:20:44] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/g3YkqA [19:20:44] WikipediaMobile/master 8fc0977 Brian R. Bondy: Bug 45790 - Find in page should only search main content area [19:20:44] WikipediaMobile/master e8f263d Brion Vibber: Merge pull request #321 from bbondy/master... [19:20:45] hey Maryana back [19:20:49] for #426 Vibha said she should be able to get a wireframe done by later today. IT should be ready to go come Monday. [19:20:56] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #496: SUCCESS in 15 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/496/ [19:20:57] netzen: Bug 45790 - Find in page should only search main content area [19:21:05] jdlrobson, ok, cool [19:21:25] also, you're not going to like me for this, but i talked with howie and juliusz, and i think we're going to try the special:handshake idea [19:21:34] brion: thanks! [19:21:51] bbondy: thank you :D good to get some of those issues cleaned up [19:22:02] I have a new bigger patch coming soon which gets sharing selected html working w/ proper link resolution [19:22:11] awesome [19:22:36] my guy at microsoft is gonna be really happy to see more updates :) [19:23:59] er... Mobile monthly reports have some room for improvement: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2013/February#Mobile [19:24:13] and I'm supposed to write a summary for that right now [19:24:43] Maryana: not special handshake :( - this makes me sad [19:24:45] I guess I'll focus on the Commons apps and enabling mobile uploads out of beta mode in Wikimedia sites [19:24:47] it's sooo hacky [19:25:03] i know, but everything is hacky [19:25:11] YuviPanda: are most of the api errors you're getting on uploads naming-related? or do you have a variety [19:25:19] brion: all naming related [19:25:40] huh [19:25:41] brion, you got a nice monthly update for Commons app at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Mobile_engineering [19:25:43] Maryana: but it doesn't have to be that way :/ [19:25:44] weird that i get none so far :) [19:25:50] * brion looks [19:25:56] if we dont [19:25:57] ' [19:26:05] if we don't fix the windows that are broken more people will smash windows [19:26:20] brion: wonderful update? [19:26:31] :D [19:26:35] jdlrobson, uploading locally is also a hack [19:26:54] no it's not [19:27:47] uploading locally is actually the right thing to do from a technological point of view [19:27:50] i'm not saying this is a long term solution, but it's the best thing we can do right now to make sure we don't totally screw up the user experience for a large chunk of new users [19:27:53] qgil_: ok i saved a slightly more real update :) [19:27:53] the fact we have commons for image is a social thing [19:28:02] but the handshake will screw up the experience [19:28:03] :) [19:28:28] jdlrobson, you have to think about the people who make our projects possible, the local wiki people, who will have to deal with this downstream [19:28:42] A user will see an intermediate screen that pushes the user to the login and how that will work with back button behavior i dread to think [19:28:59] Maryana: sure i am.. but i don't see that as a big problem. We just have a bot move them - no biggy. [19:29:51] a bot that runs cross-wiki will require approval from the community [19:29:59] which will be a huge ordeal [19:30:15] if we just do it by fiat, a lot of people are going to be super pissed at us [19:30:21] sigh [19:30:23] i know [19:30:26] there must be another fix [19:30:31] this is the kobayashi maru [19:30:35] what exactly is the problem with having a photo on wikipedia rather than commons [19:30:42] is it about disk space? [19:30:58] is it about it not being searchable on commons? [19:31:32] yes, theoretically, commons is supposed to be the central repository of free images, not just for wikipedia, but for the whole world [19:31:43] brion, can it be that http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile_QA/Commons_uploads/Setup is the only place explaining how to install Commons app or am I missing the right place? [19:32:06] us arguing to change that would be like us deciding that neutral point of view is silly and we should just let people write however they want in articles [19:32:08] qgil_: that's the place for now i believe yes [19:32:41] jdlrobson: if you stick a file on en.wikipedia, then it has to be copied by somebody before it's available for use on other languages, other projects [19:32:45] kinda a pain in the ass :) [19:33:21] ok brion but that assumes the photo wants to be used [19:33:33] (i'm just playing devils advocate here) [19:33:41] if you don't wanna use the photo don't upload it [19:33:42] :) [19:34:07] well lots of photos are getting uploaded to commons and deleted - i'm not sure how the move process is different to the delete process ;-) [19:35:00] jdlrobson: also rules are very different for deletion on commons / enwiki. enwiki allows fair use, which commons does not [19:35:08] biggish difference, I think [19:35:28] and other wikis have their own policies. Most of the India wikis don't really have much in way of policy, I think [19:35:35] I just feel gaining the photos from the 50% fail rate that we are currently hitting due to commons upload issues is much more important than having to deal with moving images between projects - it just seems the lesser of 2 evils [19:36:12] YuviPanda: ok that /is/ a reason - these are the things that i don't understand that i want to [19:37:10] yes, and licensing, etc is also different. also who does deletion, tagging, is also different (different admins, etc) [19:37:19] it's just different projects, with not 100% overlap [19:39:35] MaxSem: how would getting approval from the community for a bot moving images uploaded to mobile web to commons cause "a huge ordeal" ? [19:39:52] Maryana: same to you ^ [19:39:56] jdlrobson, there is such bot [19:40:12] let me rephrase - given we have a bot [19:41:04] maxsem, does it run across all projects? [19:41:10] no [19:41:29] technically it would be all language wikipedias -> commons [19:41:36] not just wikipedias [19:41:46] remember that people are uploading to wikivoyage and wikiquote, too :) [19:42:00] well Maryana we could disable image uploads on those sources for the time being.. (are we seeing much traction in those projects?) [19:42:13]