[03:41:28] New review: Tim Starling; "I got the impression that the issue was that the mobile cache is competing with the parser cache. Bu..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51577 [04:13:52] New review: Tim Starling; ""stats cachedump" on mc1001 doesn't show a predominance of MF cache entries. It's about 7% of items ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51577 [04:46:35] [android-commons] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/9MWBMA [04:46:35] android-commons/master 01beca0 Siebrand Mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [04:53:27] [WikipediaMobile] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/Q-4sEg [04:53:27] WikipediaMobile/master b193cad Siebrand Mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [04:53:43] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #497: SUCCESS in 14 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/497/ [04:53:43] s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [09:28:22] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/LUBADQ [09:28:22] android-commons/master 25a5074 YuviPanda: Symlink -he to -iw [09:28:22] android-commons/master 636978c YuviPanda: Bumped version number & added CHANGELOG [09:57:32] [android-commons] yuvipanda force-pushed beta from b063390 to 83a19ea: http://git.io/tUPHIg [09:57:33] android-commons/beta 83a19ea YuviPanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [09:58:00] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #128: SUCCESS in 37 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/128/ [09:58:01] * yuvipanda: Minor fix to README [09:58:01] * s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [09:58:02] * yuvipanda: Symlink -he to -iw [09:58:02] * yuvipanda: Bumped version number & added CHANGELOG [09:58:03] * yuvipanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [10:43:02] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/N3v1VQ [10:43:02] android-commons/master 625339c YuviPanda: Append extension in code rather than leave it to the server... [10:46:59] [android-commons] yuvipanda force-pushed beta from 83a19ea to 6e195c4: http://git.io/tUPHIg [10:46:59] android-commons/beta 6e195c4 YuviPanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [10:47:13] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #129: SUCCESS in 29 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/129/ [10:47:13] * yuvipanda: Append extension in code rather than leave it to the server [10:47:14] * yuvipanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [16:37:10] New review: Jdlrobson; "Not really a -1 but just asking for a response to above. Figured if it is a -1 it is more noticeable." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52943 [16:50:02] New review: Jdlrobson; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [17:08:55] moorrrrning [17:09:26] hey brion [17:09:45] brion: can we extract a title from description? [17:10:24] notnarayan: so we could try, but righ tnow we have title field above description so it gets filled out first usually. thinking of dropping the explicit title field? [17:11:14] brion: yes, we could ask the user to describe the image and create a title [17:11:40] yessssss [17:12:18] brion: thanks to twitter instagram etc people have gotten pretty good at describing images, [17:13:55] brion: the user need not know about the title at all, we create it based on the description, and upload the image to commons :) would this work? [17:14:15] i think that could work indeed [17:14:28] and we can silently make sure the title's unique with a counter or timestamp if we need to [17:14:45] brion: exactly :) [17:15:16] brion: the title being a technical requirement for commons, i don't see why we should bother the user with it at all? [17:15:54] some people might want to devise the Perfect Title, but i think we can ignore that :) [17:16:57] brion: lets discuss this during the sync up meeting today. [17:17:39] ok [17:24:18] brion: check out what someone uploaded with the iOS Commons app http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Melbourne_CBD_viewed_from_Eureka_Tower._.jpg [17:24:32] nice [17:25:11] brion: NOOOOO to timestamps! [17:25:28] sha1? :) [17:25:38] UUID? [17:25:39] :P [17:25:55] I think we're fixing a non-existant problem [17:26:11] or rather, *that* would be fixing a non-existant problem :) [17:26:22] YuviPanda: why does http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ seemingly have all the top level wmf stats ? [17:27:00] tfinc: I see only our mobile stats [17:27:17] yeah, even in incognito [17:27:21] YuviPanda: first stats is unique visitors per region, comscore [17:27:32] hard refresh fixed it [17:27:35] yeah [17:27:35] why is this happening again and again ? [17:27:39] I think Limn has some caching issues [17:27:44] why is the caching screwed up ? [17:27:47] i'm off to poke milimetric [17:27:56] no idea. [17:28:09] YuviPanda: lets switch to the 30day window too [17:28:15] tfinc: we already have [17:28:16] oh wait [17:28:21] we did and then i reverted those changes [17:28:28] because for some reason they were flatlining [17:28:36] tfinc: i'm getting this sorted out with milimetric now [17:28:39] k [17:28:45] msg me when its fixed [17:28:54] I'm seeing images whose title and description is the same. [17:38:48] tfinc: we found the problem, one of the limn helper libraries is broken. we're debugging and should have it fixed shortly. [17:39:02] brion: where can i see the blog post going up today? [17:39:09] YuviPanda: k [17:40:06] New review: JGonera; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52943 [17:41:24] tfinc: been running late on that, will draft it up this mornin [17:41:38] k [17:43:53] New review: JGonera; "Right, maybe we should add another module or for now, simply put it in mf-application.js init()? Or ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/51590 [17:51:38] heads up that mobile-tech email alias is bouncing again [17:51:43] i just contacted it [17:51:59] if they can't fix it i'm just going to tell them to move us to mailman. i'm tired of having to deal with this [17:52:45] IT [17:52:59] k meeting in 8 [17:53:04] * YuviPanda goes to grab water [17:57:10] YuviPanda: want to take a look over my pre-draft at https://blog.wikimedia.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=22476&action=edit ? [18:00:10] [Commons-iOS] brion pushed 8 new commits to master: http://git.io/bIxTog [18:00:10] Commons-iOS/master 2e99020 Brion Vibber: (bug 45454) Switch to pulling past uploads from log... [18:00:10] Commons-iOS/master 8cc189d Brion Vibber: initial thumbnail fetch, no batching [18:00:10] Commons-iOS/master a9e4c76 Brion Vibber: merge queues [18:09:54] Maryana, do we have a number of users that use the watchlist on stable? or number of watchlist visits per day or something (in stable)? [18:10:19] we're not logging visits to the actual watchlist - just watchlist star taps [18:10:27] but we could :) [18:13:15] hm, well, ops would like to know that, before we move PageImages to stable [18:13:50] can't we get this data from analytics? [18:13:51] tfinc: brion lost you [18:14:03] I'll ask them later [18:14:04] connection problems yay [18:14:45] so crazy alternate idea for wikipedia app: use the site in a web view for generic 'reading' but integrate the commons uploader, etc where they make sense [18:14:56] would be less investment than a total UI port for reading [18:14:59] but still give us the integration [18:15:05] good idea? bad idea? dunno. [18:15:16] brion: that's what facebook's old app was [18:15:22] brion: there's a reason that is their 'old' app [18:15:23] :P [18:15:24] yeah basically [18:15:26] true :) [18:15:30] tfinc: you're frozen [18:15:36] but shankar isn't [18:15:44] so that's one thing we could put up as an idea and put that alongside "make awesome app" [18:15:50] and "make awesome app" may look more attractive ;) [18:24:05] awjr_away, brion, is there an obvious way of getting stats on mobile watchlist usage? like page views for example [18:24:57] brion: i can hear you guys just fine. [18:25:01] waiting for a password reset [18:25:07] yup [18:25:13] ^yuvi [18:25:50] jgonera: page views you can probably get by looking for Special:Watchlist……. uh check with the analytics guys [18:26:28] brion, yeah, but where do I look for it? should I just write to Diederik? [18:26:50] jgonera: yeah, i don't know offhand the best way to get into that [18:26:57] brion: it's weird, shankar seems to be able to hear me with low latency [18:27:00] but i know page hit stats exist :) [18:27:20] brion: tfinc_ I think moving the description field to the post upload should fix the 'two fields' problem [18:27:33] since there will be only one thing then - title [18:27:41] too much lag to continue that over video [18:27:42] and people who want to can give a description [18:27:45] but we got through everything [18:27:57] YuviPanda: so you're recommending only asking for a title, and then add additional description later as an option? [18:28:05] brion: I thought we were moving 'description' to 'post upload' action [18:28:08] brion: optional [18:28:08] brion: yes [18:28:15] optional +1 [18:28:22] ok that makes sense to me [18:28:24] (it is already optional :P) [18:28:33] :) [18:28:35] YuviPanda: a user has no way of knowing that [18:28:45] yeah, moving it off the screen makes that clearer [18:28:47] its not greyed out or marked as optional [18:29:04] tfinc: yeah, that is why I called it the two fields 'problem' :) [18:29:10] tfinc: moving it to post upload should work. [18:29:14] k [18:29:35] I do not want us to run into any extraction stuff now, since those usually *sound* easy but are an immense pain to do right [18:29:56] because non english languages, and extra network round trips, etc etc [18:29:58] notnarayan: how's that sound to you? [18:30:31] so we *should* focus on the areas that give us big gains, and I don't think title extraction is one of them. [18:30:37] ooh, commons update [18:30:41] kicking it to post upload should solve our current ambiguity problem [18:30:43] uploads without descriptions make Commoners cry. [18:31:07] ragesoss: It'll be there in post upload! It's not going to be killed, just kicked out of the initial screen [18:31:28] and +1 on description being 'important' [18:32:11] we should not leave commons' conventions out simply to make our numbers, no? Since while our fiscal goal might be 1000 uploads, our end goal should be to make commons a better place, via more contributors :) [18:32:11] so [18:32:41] Maryana, where's the QA review? [18:34:04] brion: makes sense, right? [18:34:11] yup [18:34:27] Reedy: nothing much new here - fixed one intermittent crash, and lots of language fixes. So unless you are using it in a non-english language... not much to see :) [18:35:25] YuviPanda: Anglophobe! [18:35:44] can't help it, they bought democrazy to this country :P [18:36:15] democracy has kicked in! parrrrrrrrty [18:36:46] YuviPanda: 206 active device installs for the commons app [18:36:57] tfinc: yup :) and we crossed 100 installs :) [18:36:58] New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52404 [18:36:59] err [18:37:01] 100 uploads [18:37:05] Change merged: Cmcmahon; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52404 [18:37:27] let me see how the talk with jay and pr is going [18:37:30] 7 x 5* ratings [18:37:36] New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52791 [18:37:42] At least 3 being WMF staff ;) [18:37:44] Change merged: Cmcmahon; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52791 [18:37:45] tfinc: I see a number of people trying in random usernames multiple times before giving up. I think tehy are trying to register :( [18:37:47] YuviPanda: what were you telling about extracting the title from the description? [18:38:11] brion: --^ help these poor souls with account creation [18:38:21] notnarayan: see http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-mobile/20130311.txt [18:38:27] aww [18:38:38] tfinc: one guy tried just a name, then his email, then a variant of a name, and then gave up :( [18:39:19] tfinc: we also have a contributor who got one pull request merged into the support libs for commons, and is hacking on fixing a bug now :) [18:39:20] (fale) [18:39:22] so yay. [18:39:35] YuviPanda: notnarayan so after we get campaigns the only item i can see missing to use this for WLM is a near by feature [18:39:49] YuviPanda: nice [18:39:51] tfinc: well, biggest part of WLM was 'discovery' [18:39:55] as in [18:39:57] discovery of monuments [18:40:00] we don't have that at all [18:40:06] thus near by [18:40:14] nearby of what, exactly? [18:40:15] but discover in general yes [18:40:19] * ragesoss has 62 photos waiting for when multi-upload gets enabled. https://plus.google.com/115647333525152102730/posts/TcyNEC1U6D5 [18:40:22] they'd want just nearby of monuments only [18:40:33] ragesoss: one week. :) [18:40:53] YuviPanda: why wouldn't a map overlap of a campaign view show that ? [18:40:58] ordered a micro-sim for my nexus 4. i may switch over from verizon :P [18:41:02] tfinc: where would it get the data from? [18:41:14] tfinc: there's no current *on wiki* way to say 'give me a list of monuments' [18:41:26] brion: i've really liked mine [18:41:27] me and odder talked about this a month or two back [18:41:33] YuviPanda: we'd have to build it [18:41:37] yup! [18:41:37] mainly i'm tired of not getting software updates from verizon [18:41:44] that should come after campaigns, yes [18:41:46] also, i lost the galaxy nexus. it's in my apartment…. somewhere.... [18:42:04] this is tangential to mobile, but what I really want to see is... on-wiki maps that show all the geotagged Commons photos in an area. [18:42:10] brion: http://www.bash.org/?5273 [18:42:18] :) [18:42:37] ragesoss: you realize that that just got super easy about... 2 weeks ago? [18:42:58] ragesoss: I can hack that up in about 2 hours, if you manage to remind me on friday ;) [18:43:05] ragesoss: GeoData on commons makes that super easy [18:43:05] will do! [18:43:05] YuviPanda: do it [18:43:09] ha [18:43:20] YuviPanda: or get someone on wikitech to hack it up [18:43:23] \o/ [18:43:52] they'll use OpenLayers [18:43:55] OpenLayers sucks [18:43:58] Leaflet ftw [18:44:00] :P [18:44:05] open layers is soooooo heavyweight [18:44:08] it's like 1.5mb of javascript [18:44:11] howwww [18:44:11] yeah [18:44:25] 'hey, let us pretend that this is Java and make class hierarchies, because fuck' [18:44:29] :) [18:44:33] YuviPanda: did you get into the blog yet? [18:44:38] if not i'll copy it to an etherpad [18:44:47] brion: yeah, but I can't seem to find it [18:44:49] brion: link again? [18:44:56] moment [18:45:02] https://blog.wikimedia.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=22476&action=edit&message=10 [18:45:24] brion: i no have access [18:45:29] > 'You are not allowed to edit this item.' [18:45:31] :'( [18:45:34] grr [18:45:53] ok etherpad it is [18:46:02] if you speed ether pad wrong autocorrect says "therapy" [18:46:09] hahaa :D [18:46:16] at 'speed etherpad wrong' [18:46:54] YuviPanda: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/commons-app-post-draft [18:47:15] brion: tie in the 1000 uploaders/month goal into the post as well [18:47:20] k [18:48:03] tfinc: 55 unique uploaders for last 30 days in both. 49 Android, 9 iOS [18:48:12] \o/ [18:48:20] we have a ways to go [18:48:23] iOS needs to catch up [18:48:40] i'm really glad we have the numbers to let us know what needs more attention [18:48:43] yeah ;) [18:48:51] tfinc: I think iOS will blow up once we put that on market :) [18:48:59] you can see why i prioritized it. data driven decisions [18:49:01] very important [18:49:04] That sounds like terrorism [18:49:15] ROFL [18:49:31] :) [18:49:41] tfinc: ar eyou making tweaks or just viewing? [18:49:54] wordpress is giving me a dire warning about overwriting changes [18:50:10] brion: i made one small teak. no more planned [18:50:14] ok thx [18:50:19] feel free to revert it. i just added a link to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_team/Mobile_apps [18:51:07] ah excellent [18:52:01] YuviPanda: why are you numbers so different then http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ ? [18:52:11] tfinc: because those numbers are from friday [18:52:19] tfinc: while mine are from... now [18:52:21] no cron to kick this off daily ? [18:52:22] tfinc: erosen is fixing the bug [18:52:24] k [18:52:32] tfinc: I'd need stat1001 access for the cron [18:52:45] tfinc: I'm told I've to wait '3 business days' from filing, and since I filed on thursday that's going to be tomorrow [18:52:50] k [18:53:14] brion: tfinc I was hoping we could have a stronger CTA there. [18:53:17] to download and try it out [18:53:24] rather than hide it in the last paragraph [18:53:26] YuviPanda: there ? [18:53:31] blog post [18:53:33] YuviPanda: feel free to suggest :D [18:53:38] we don't want to do a status update. [18:53:41] yeah, thinking [18:55:08] jdlrobson: howdy [18:55:27] hey tfinc [18:57:13] https://www.google.com/ :D <-- google celebrates douglas adams bday [18:57:24] NICE [18:59:24] New review: Jdlrobson; "I meant my comment above" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52943 [19:00:13] YuviPanda: what's the direct APK link again? [19:00:24] brion: bit.ly/commons-beta [19:00:28] bit.ly something? ah thanks [19:00:32] brion: that's a nightly, newer than apk [19:00:35] but not by much ;) [19:00:38] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Maintenance: Load minimum possible css / reorg css" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52627 [19:01:52] jdlrobson, we're still in qa review [19:02:12] jdlrobson, in https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile/cards/426 [19:02:18] is it worth me joining the tail end? [19:02:42] * tfinc ponders lunch [19:02:44] is it going to be difficult the optional points? [19:02:53] to do* [19:03:16] we're basically estimating some leftovers now, the qa itself is over [19:03:21] jgonera: so the banners can be defined in pure javascript if necessary.. [19:03:30] (as horrible as this is ;-) [19:03:46] yeah, but we would need to store a cookie or something not to show a banner ever again to a given user... [19:04:09] yeh we'd need to use localStorage [19:04:11] we did this for zero [19:04:46] but it would have to be done in JS :-/ [19:05:01] (or cookies) [19:05:03] unless CentralNotice has some clever stuff built in [19:05:11] but i'vm not aware of that.. [19:06:44] YuviPanda: ok i've moved the CTA up a bit, probably still needs some work. Can you see the preview at http://blog.wikimedia.org/?p=22476&preview=true ? or is that still giving you permission errs [19:06:56] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52795 [19:07:27] brion: 404 [19:07:42] ok we'll fix your permissions in a bit, i'm gonna get some food quick [19:07:49] ok [19:08:06] jdlrobson, what about phones without localStorage? [19:08:32] jgonera: so the existing banner code we have does this [19:08:40] tfinc: so reportcards back online [19:08:41] assuming it's only for logged in users, is there anything like user settings that we can store in the db? [19:08:49] nice [19:08:50] existing banner cod? [19:09:02] tfinc: there's intermittent caching bugs in limn. 'Workaround' for now is to either clear cache or to open in incognito [19:09:14] M.settings.saveUserSetting( name, value, useCookieFallback ) [19:09:29] so any banner defined in CentralNotice could be targeted at logged in users and simply run that line [19:09:31] YuviPanda: we should put up a warning about then [19:09:49] jdlrobson: how's the conference? [19:10:04] jcmish: to be honest it's a bit crazy [19:10:05] tfinc: in *general* that shouldn't affect things, as long as we don't have a limn bug like what we had now [19:10:10] k [19:10:11] ha! [19:10:12] but I'll poke them about adding arbit text [19:10:15] i'm going to step out for food [19:10:15] unorganized? [19:10:17] bbib=ab [19:10:18] there are so many talks its hard to get into the good ones / find the good ones [19:10:19] bbiab [19:10:21] jcmish: your kind of conference then :P [19:10:40] YuviPanda: I EXCEL in crazy env [19:10:43] You are correct! [19:10:44] haha [19:11:04] Today I saw Stephen Wolfram talk, Elon Musk was awesome [19:11:08] sadly missed Al Gore though :( [19:11:17] oh wow [19:11:38] 4sq party was good last night though ;-) [19:11:38] :) [19:11:49] * YuviPanda stabs jdlrobson out of jealousy [19:11:50] a bit [19:11:57] got vip access ;-) [19:11:57] haha jdlrobson all about the important things! [19:12:03] WOW impressive! [19:12:21] witnessed this first hand - https://twitter.com/chest/status/310982478049443840 [19:12:35] (dennis jumping over the rails from the norms area to the vip section) [19:13:14] there's far too many people in austin [19:13:30] hahahhahaha [19:13:36] now that tweet is awesome haha [19:13:51] oohh I met a cool guy called Chris from Nasa as well. [19:14:05] I'm not sure why but Nasa guys always seem to have the same look [19:15:23] well i think you have to have the look [19:15:38] * chrismcmahon played at SXSW in 1992 :-) It was a lot different back then.  [19:15:53] wow that's pretty cool chrismcmahon ;-) it's probably unrecognizable now..! [19:16:21] it was just music back then. great music though. [19:16:27] oohhh the meme continues - my favorite yet!! https://twitter.com/Lee_Standen/status/311097336409518081 [19:16:37] and it needs an image!! [19:16:42] ahahahhahaha [19:18:07] * jdlrobson precedes to take picture of himself [19:18:24] ok i don't have permissions in the blog to change users… but robh says he does [19:21:39] brion: can you stir the pot on the RFC email, pleaaaassseee? :) [19:21:46] yess [19:27:46] tfinc: I want a kimchi burrito :( [19:40:40] brion: is the version on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/commons-app-post-draft accurate? [19:42:56] YuviPanda: lemme update it [19:43:00] okay [19:43:27] ok updated with links and images :) [19:43:31] okay [19:44:01] brion: tfinc do you know Peter Youngmeister's irc nick? [19:44:02] New review: JGonera; "Oh, OK, I didn't see it, it should probably disappear." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52943 [19:44:04] pgrehes? [19:44:33] YuviPanda: notpeter [19:44:40] ah okay [19:44:57] * brion wonders about the rampantness of self-denying nicks :) [19:52:12] New review: JGonera; "I generally agree with Arthur. I'm not sure about executeChild(), it might look unfamiliar to other ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52553 [19:56:25] brion, in short, why the CentralAuth proxy thing won't work? [19:56:46] jgonera: it creates a new local session each time, and that's where the edit tokens are stored [19:56:54] so you can't fetch an edit token and then use it in another request [19:57:20] I see, and that's nothing we could change easily? [19:59:17] YuviPanda: ok try https://blog.wikimedia.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=22476&action=edit now you've been promoted to 'editor' :) [19:59:56] jgonera: either we need to devise a new way to pass session cookies back through the proxy (????) or hack up User internals to store tokens in the global session [20:00:26] I see, thanks [20:03:39] Maryana: we should write a story for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43845 - enhancements tend to get ignored in bugzilla :) [20:03:54] kk [20:04:00] it's not super urgent [20:04:06] but it would be good to fix [20:04:19] i'm trying to get better about taking critical bugs and putting them into mingle [20:04:27] like the returnto thing [20:04:33] did you see that, jdlrobson? [20:04:46] Maryana: errr [20:04:52] * jdlrobson loads bugzilla [20:05:13] what return to think? [20:05:18] ahhh [20:05:19] seen it [20:05:34] if you increase importance i'll notice it :) [20:05:46] i just did -- it's going to be a problem for uploaders [20:05:53] when we show the button to logged out users [20:06:01] Maryana: also that was by design - Munaf originally asked us to do that [20:06:02] they'll log in via the button, and then they won't be able to find the page they were on [20:06:34] yeah. at that point, we were assuming we didn't know what the user wanted to do post-login [20:06:36] New patchset: JGonera; "Make sure we never show photo upload button on main page" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53200 [20:06:37] brion: sweeet [20:06:38] but if they're coming from an upload CTA, we have some idea :) [20:06:39] looking [20:07:07] Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53200 [20:08:18] New review: Jdlrobson; "If anyone disagrees feel free to undo my -1 - I'm open to discussion :) Sadly -1s are the only way t..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [20:09:57] New patchset: JGonera; "Check for EventLogging presence in userlogin.js hack" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53202 [20:11:23] Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53202 [20:11:45] jgonera: are you fixing the menu open problem on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52943 ? [20:11:51] would be keen to get that merged today :) [20:12:14] jdlrobson, yes, I will try to fix it today [20:12:22] brion: let's remove the direct download link [20:12:26] brion: it uploads to testwiki [20:12:29] ah ok [20:12:29] I'm working on some bugfixes for things we discovered during QA now [20:12:44] and I have 4 meetings in total today, but I hope I'll manage to make it [20:12:44] brion: do you see any reason why not to merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/52879/ ? (sorry to bug you from your app stuff … but no awjr_away or Max ;-) [20:12:55] jgonera: ouch which meetings? [20:12:56] looking [20:13:12] sounds fine to me jdlrobson [20:13:28] thanks brion [20:13:29] there was ops and qa, kickoff is coming, and later "Discuss High Priority Goals Document" [20:13:35] ok, going to buy some food [20:13:41] New review: Brion VIBBER; "let's go! wooo" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52879 [20:13:48] ooh i thought you meant 4 left :) [20:13:55] \o/ brion [20:14:00] LD [20:14:02] :D [20:14:14] boo jenkins [20:14:51] YEYY gerrit down [20:17:19] Project MobileFrontend-mac-iphone build #324: FAILURE in 0.25 sec: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-iphone/324/ [20:17:19] Project MobileFrontend-linux-android build #316: FAILURE in 0.22 sec: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-linux-android/316/ [20:17:19] Project MobileFrontend-mac-ipad build #321: FAILURE in 0.25 sec: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-ipad/321/ [20:19:55] brion: it is also 14 days since we launched, not 30 :) [20:20:12] ah well i just took the days figure you gave me ;) [20:20:29] yeah, it takes over last 30 days [20:20:34] but we haven't had 30 days of data yet ;) [20:22:24] Maybe you have seen this but there is a new meetup in SF Bay Area about mobile testing: http://www.meetup.com/The-Mobile-Testing-Gurus/ [20:25:07] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Cleanup: Move SkinMobileTemplate into its own file" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52879 [20:25:39] New review: Jdlrobson; "Rebased." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52879 [20:25:41] Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52879 [20:26:17] tfinc: you want to take another look over https://blog.wikimedia.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=22476&action=edit ? [20:26:23] sure [20:26:30] whee [20:26:49] we got yuvi's permissions fixed so he suggested a couple tweaks and i did some rearranging [20:27:02] “the best camera is the one you have with you.” [citation needed] [20:27:16] :D [20:27:45] Well, an S3 I have is better than the empty cover for the Canon 550D that's at home [20:27:46] changing locations! [20:27:55] :) [20:28:01] brion: lets link to our stats page to showcase how were doing [20:28:07] ooh yeah [20:28:18] link to mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org :) [20:28:33] (if it still looks like 7 day average to you, CLEAR YOUR CACHE!) [20:29:23] the turret photo is stunning [20:29:44] Yippie, build fixed! [20:29:44] Project MobileFrontend-mac-ipad build #323: FIXED in 10 min: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-ipad/323/ [20:29:45] * jgonera: Make sure we never show photo upload button on main page [20:29:45] * jgonera: Check for EventLogging presence in userlogin.js hack [20:29:46] Yippie, build fixed! [20:29:46] Project MobileFrontend-mac-iphone build #326: FIXED in 10 min: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-iphone/326/ [20:29:47] * jgonera: Make sure we never show photo upload button on main page [20:29:47] * jgonera: Check for EventLogging presence in userlogin.js hack [20:29:48] yeah that was my favorite [20:30:21] * brion checks if YuviPanda fixed this encoding issue -- "Visiteurs admirant Paris et le Louvre par la fen?tre de l'horloge au 5?me ?tage du mus?e d'Orsay" [20:30:31] brion: lets wrap the photos in a box and add a caption [20:30:32] brion: yup, fixed :) [20:30:35] good :D [20:30:36] ok [20:30:42] they look off just sitting on their own [20:30:57] brion: don't forget you need to add credits for those pics. There's an extra field or something there. [20:31:13] credits pssssh :) [20:31:41] :P [20:32:15] brion .. add your citations or you wont get dessert [20:32:53] awwwww [20:37:19] tfinc: how's this? http://blog.wikimedia.org/?p=22476&preview=true [20:37:34] brion: adding link to mobile-l, subscribe for announcements [20:37:43] \o/ [20:37:46] excellent [20:39:58] Project MobileFrontend-linux-android build #318: NOW UNSTABLE in 10 min: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-linux-android/318/ [20:39:59] * jgonera: Make sure we never show photo upload button on main page [20:40:00] * jgonera: Check for EventLogging presence in userlogin.js hack [20:40:00] * jrobson: Cleanup: Move SkinMobileTemplate into its own file [20:41:37] YuviPanda: did you get your edits into guidance for high priority teams ? [20:41:57] tfinc: nope, editing the blog post. will do in a few mins [20:42:01] k [20:42:26] tfinc: i added some comments on the google doc. should i put notes elsewhere or is that ok for now? [20:42:39] brion: comment/edit at will [20:42:43] ok [20:42:47] saves me the trouble of playing information router [20:42:57] Maryana: --^ [20:48:38] brion: lets rev on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/PartnerEngineerTraining [20:51:37] ok [20:59:10] brion: got any additions to the training agenda ? [20:59:23] watching the ether pad, you guys have it covered so far :) [21:02:15] Project MobileFrontend-mac-ipad build #325: UNSTABLE in 11 min: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-ipad/325/ [21:02:16] l10n-bot: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [21:03:57] tfinc: added a large-ish comment. Didn't want to edit the doc since that will kill the flow [21:04:11] k [21:05:37] tfinc: do make sure that responses from the meeting are mailed out, etc. [21:05:40] Thanks :) [21:05:43] sure [21:05:52] whatever we talk about will go into the doc [21:08:09] tfinc: okay :) [21:08:27] tfinc: I'll look at it tomorrow. do let me know if you need more clarifications from me, but that is something I really feel strongly about. [21:08:30] am off to sleep now [21:08:31] k [21:08:31] gnite [21:08:39] and you've made the clear [21:08:44] that* [21:08:54] yeah :) [21:09:13] tfinc: YuviPanda: all set with the blog post? anything else i should do before i push the publish button? [21:09:23] * YuviPanda reads it one final time [21:10:13] brion: can we wrap the images more like this http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/03/08/wmf-trademark-practices-for-qr-codes-and-wikitowns/ ? [21:10:32] sure i'll copy the styles from that [21:10:35] brion: looks good to me :) but I think you will need to specify the CC stuff outside in some other fields [21:10:35] anything else? [21:10:36] or something like that [21:10:49] unless you've already done that [21:10:50] brion: also note how they did the copyright as a footnote [21:10:52] in which case ignore :) [21:10:56] ooh [21:10:58] yeah, that footnote is a custom wp field [21:11:03] there was an email about it a while back [21:11:08] less text under the photo then. it looks much better [21:11:09] a long while actually [21:13:56] Maryana: i don't see adding web to mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org in this sprint [21:14:40] jgonera said he would work on it in his 20% time [21:14:51] so this week ? [21:14:59] yes [21:15:09] good [21:19:46] Maryana: i'm also not seeing the story for leading images on near by view [21:20:00] tfinc: ok http://blog.wikimedia.org/?p=22476&preview=true updated style [21:20:08] tfinc, i'm in the sprint kickoff mtg - i'll check in w/you afterwards [21:20:12] Maryana: k [21:21:25] brion: much better frame [21:21:42] \o/ [21:32:19] brion: lets publish [21:32:23] woo [21:32:44] pushing button [21:32:50] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/03/11/putting-commons-contributions-in-your-hand-mobile-app-uploads/ [21:32:54] push it through the twitter and facebooks as well [21:33:04] and http://blog.wikimedia.org/ \o [21:33:06] \o/ [21:33:09] Maryana: --^ [21:33:32] facetweets [21:38:47] brion: push it through https://twitter.com/WikimediaMobile as well [21:39:07] lemme find the credentials.... [21:39:43] oh wait i think i have it loaded in tweetdeck [21:42:03] tweeted [21:59:32] brion: thanks. its already being re-tweeted [21:59:39] lets see how our report card changes tomorrow [22:01:30] woot [22:01:53] odd choice for an upload http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_%22mine%22.png [22:02:04] heh [22:02:14] ragesoss: nice http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Washi_close-up_from_ukiyo-e_print.jpeg [22:03:19] I have novelty lenses. gotta put em to good use. [22:04:29] * tfinc studied much about japanese art and likes ukiyo-e  [22:04:38] good ol pictures of the floating world [22:04:42] I also have the microscope attachment that they on Sherlock. [22:05:10] tfinc: wanna see the context? [22:05:15] ragesoss: yes [22:06:21] i think this is my fave mobile web upload so far: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(biology) [22:06:41] awwww [22:06:41] awww [22:06:50] you can just see the guy's thought process. "i'm on the hybrid article and it needs an image. hmm.. hey, c'mere, sparky!" [22:07:00] Maryana: how many lead photo uploads have we gotten? [22:07:11] pulling the most recent stats now [22:07:12] we really need to get these up on the report card [22:07:32] try bribing jgonera with aloe vera :D [22:08:00] why is the EXIF info for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lead_Photo_For_Hybrid_(biology)0-8998090969398618.jpeg so poor ? [22:08:22] https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/080/557/8189585a3284162af9d35248c97360d0_large.jpg?1343029029 [22:08:48] ragesoss: is that bowser ? [22:09:05] tfinc: hmm, good question [22:09:22] no. that would be trademark infringement. [22:09:37] i'm going to call this 17th centuary mario kart [22:09:39] it's totally not Mario kart. [22:09:49] its sooo mario cart. dont deny it [22:09:59] you even have toad on the side [22:10:09] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1499165518/ukiyo-e-heroes [22:10:17] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "put css before js" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53282 [22:10:56] ohh .. i love all of those [22:11:18] tfinc: 143 uploads (that's just from the lead image workflow, not donate to commons) [22:11:28] how many unique uploaders [22:11:29] ? [22:12:58] ragesoss: ouch. these will hurt the pocket book [22:14:11] I know. I'd buy them all, but I have to keep it under what Faith would notice missing from the bank account. [22:14:29] ragesoss: did you do the woodblock or print ? [22:14:39] woodblock [22:14:49] proper [22:14:59] and I have Samus on order. [22:15:54] i really like that one [22:16:06] in fact that was my first cart add. then i saw the price [22:17:03] :) [22:17:39] fortunately Faith doesn't have much time to check our balance regularly. [22:25:58] Maryana: this gets me hungry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shank_(meat) [22:26:06] haha [22:26:26] one thing that was really obvious comparing commons uploads to flickr was the number of food photos on flickr [22:26:33] you'd think commons uploaders never eat [22:27:00] Damn it. My older sister has broken the power button on my galaxy nexus (13 months old) and she's only had a couple of months :( [22:28:01] Maryana: whats the split between lead and donate image ? [22:29:23] Maryana: this one is weird http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lead_Photo_For_Main_Page0-4588283966295421.png .. main page / [22:29:30] ok, so filtering out staff (damn staff), it looks like we have 101 lead images and 66 donate image images [22:29:30] ? [22:29:56] yeah, we just noticed that earlier this morning. the upload button was showing up on the main page in beta. jgonera fixed it. [22:29:58] how come i only see 55 here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Uploaded_with_Mobile/Web ? [22:30:03] k [22:30:12] we only started adding category templates to them recently [22:31:25] ahh ok [22:31:35] out of all mobile web lead photos how many are still being used in the article ? [22:32:39] brion: what was this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lead_Photo_For_DonateImage0-7053549464326352.jpg [22:32:40] ? [22:32:54] ah that didn't focus very well [22:32:59] "San Francisco MUNI maintenance workers photographed through train window. Uploaded Via Opera Beta for Android" [22:33:08] ahh [22:33:31] Maryana: i spy some vandalism here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%ABron_Oshiro [22:33:57] overall i do see a lot of noise in the mw uploads [22:33:57] hahaha [22:34:11] yeah.. [22:34:18] to be expected, i think [22:34:32] * tfinc rolls it back [22:34:52] we're adding some educational pieces to the UI that might help somewhat, but i don't think anyone's gonna change the clueless newbie factor here [22:35:08] i'm just shocked that there hasn't been a single penis [22:37:30] haha [22:37:31] yes [22:37:40] give it time. its a when not an if [22:39:30] new app idea... [22:39:42] snapchat commons! [22:40:15] put your penis pics on Wikipedia... for ten seconds. [23:01:38] Maryana: poke poke [23:02:19] yo yo brion [23:02:30] Maryana: we're over in r31, tfinc is grabbing you if y'all are in r37 [23:02:35] coming [23:02:44] it's meeting room chaaaaaooooosssss :) [23:09:51] Maryana: http://test.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Low_memory.png [23:10:02] web upload failed. [23:10:13] low memory. :( [23:15:30] huh. work in Browser, just not Chrome Beta. [23:19:34] bam. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potty_training [23:45:51] ragesoss: does it do that consistently on one file? [23:50:03] Brion: I tried twice with that file. [23:50:25] then changed to Browser and it worked. [23:51:08] (second fail, I closed a bunch of background apps first) [23:51:50] funky. let yuvi know, especially if it continues after a reboot [23:51:58] might be weird handling of a large file [23:52:01] ok gotta run