[00:00:02] Maryana, I think the statistics for app uploads were slightly too high due to an error in SQL queries but I'll confirm that tomorrow with Yuvi (not much though, nothing to worry about) [00:00:24] ah, interesting [00:00:53] please let me know what you find. i'm doing the fuzzy math for the Q3 review and how close we are to meeting targets now, and i want it to be at least somewhat accurate :) [00:01:01] ok [00:01:11] tfinc there in one sec [00:01:22] wait, is that error in the dashboard or in the SQL tables? [00:01:37] jgonera ^ [00:01:49] dashboard [00:01:55] oh, that's fine. i never trust dashboards [00:01:57] :D [00:02:00] ;) [00:03:03] http://vimeo.com/61275290 [00:03:22] awjr: tfinc Maryana jgonera :) [00:03:28] ^ [00:06:50] awjr: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/maps-l/2013-March/001239.html [00:07:30] haha [00:09:39] jcmish: i don't like how that was a man trying to convince a lady to use technology, though. i had to teach my husband how to write html markup for blogging, how to edit wikipedia, how to use google reader… [00:10:10] HAHHAHAHA [00:10:24] Maryana: technology does have it's limits :D [00:11:37] heh, i'm sure there's some team at google committed to solving this problem with an app [00:11:44] HAH [00:14:31] according to my queries, we now have 81 unique uploaders via web and 55 via apps [00:14:57] however, I count people who use both web and apps double... [00:15:04] I don't know how important that is [00:21:13] oh, that's interesting [00:21:19] did you filter out staff? [00:21:44] all my queries involve and elaborate string of event_username != "Jdlrobson" ... [00:21:48] *an elaborate [00:22:37] no, I'm not filtering out staff [00:25:09] just subtract about 6 people from web and 4 from apps [00:36:20] well, I'm not going to hard-code this, I'll subtract them in my mind [00:36:41] also, 1 less uploader, I didn't filter out testwiki [00:43:00] New patchset: awjrichards; "(mingle #410) Add X-Analytics request/response header handling support" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [00:45:36] dont filter out staff. if staff are effecting our numbers that badly then we've put out a product that is not right for our broader audience [00:45:45] and needs to be redone [00:45:47] Maryana: jgonera --^ [00:47:14] awjr: i forget if i've told you but i'm really happy with the Nexus4 [00:47:29] Maryana: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Uploaded_with_Mobile/Android now needs pagination for we have more then 200 photos :D [00:48:08] i worry for the commons contributor who was in front of this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:S%C3%ADdli%C5%A1t%C4%9B_%C5%98epy,_9030.jpeg [00:49:06] omg, so cool! [00:49:28] Maryana: and we've gone meta http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HTC_Hero_with_CyanogenMod_7.jpeg .. phones taking pictures of phones [00:49:57] haha, so many pictures of sage's baby [00:49:58] Maybe the driver is a lie, and it's actually going away from him [00:50:21] were also being used to take photos at conferences http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Claire_Macken_at_Openltu.jpeg [00:51:14] Maryana: what did Erik say about unique uploads per month ? [00:51:26] mwhahah http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Boston_University_terrier.jpg [00:53:18] and we've hit the big time now that were being used to take photos of Lil Wayne [00:53:47] well .. add photos in this case [00:54:55] tfinc, but I still filter out testwiki, right? [00:55:02] jgonera: yeah [00:57:59] tfinc awesome :) [00:58:06] ok folks im outta here - see you all tomorrow [00:59:02] awjr: seeya [01:37:56] tfinc: just got the response from erik. it's what we thought (e.g., the same 1,000 users can be uploading month-to-month, and that's fine) [01:38:06] good [17:02:20] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Story 347: Provide nicer filenames" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53769 [17:02:20] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Make description an input element" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53770 [17:11:51] fatal: reference is not a tree: 2fc49f1f368c324688ef3ff2b6ac75c7784de562 [17:11:51] Unable to checkout '2fc49f1f368c324688ef3ff2b6ac75c7784de562' in submodule path 'MobileFrontend' [17:11:53] sigh [17:12:41] to tree or not to tree [17:13:03] manually updating it from master works [17:13:12] i'll hope it was just a fluke [17:18:29] YuviPanda: would you agree that for account creation if there's a captcha, we should show it *before* asking for username and password? [17:18:43] or at the same time rather [17:18:46] same time [17:18:47] yes [17:18:49] yeah [17:18:49] not after [17:18:56] ok i'm going to need a preflight request :) [17:19:08] brion-apiwork: use the same action [17:19:11] ala action=login [17:19:14] rather than something else :) [17:19:16] yeah [17:19:20] sweet [17:20:18] empty name -> preflight? [17:20:35] gives you back the token and the captcha info [17:20:49] brion-apiwork: hmm [17:21:10] brion-apiwork: do we have any password checks? [17:21:32] like "is this a good enough password"? [17:21:34] 'must be x chars' [17:21:40] yeah there's a minimum at least [17:21:42] 'must not be same as username' [17:21:48] heh [17:21:49] hmmm [17:22:20] brion-apiwork: preflight=true/ [17:22:22] ? [17:22:25] brion-apiwork: or prepare=true? [17:22:34] could do that [17:22:46] or 1 rather [17:29:32] ok good the account creation token doesn't appear to depend on the username etc [17:32:41] brion-apiwork: ah, nice [17:54:02] hehe i can send 'username=preflight' and no password and it gives me a token [17:54:17] noooooo [17:54:20] :P [17:54:25] what if someone wants to register preflight? :P [17:54:40] no problem, then just submit it with the real request [17:54:52] but… it'll feel safer with an extra param [17:55:15] yes, [17:55:23] empty username, password (missing too) [17:56:19] right now it gives an error if username is empty. should i just consider empty username a preflight, or use the extra param? [17:56:30] brion-apiwork: *both* :P [17:56:33] :D [17:57:15] New review: Dsc; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [17:58:42] brion-apiwork: require it be empty (or missing) and also have extra param [17:58:52] YuviPanda: is http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ up to date ? [17:59:04] tfinc: not since yesterday, no [17:59:24] tfinc: also jgonera found a bug in my SQL, which was over-reporting the app unique uploaders by about 15. he's fixed it. [17:59:28] tfinc: let me update now [17:59:51] YuviPanda: can i get a total files 30 day upload graph ? [17:59:54] Maryana: is there a hangout we are meeting on? [18:00:20] yes, just gimme a couple minutes to set up :) [18:01:58] tfinc: ? [18:02:17] tfinc: aah, got it [18:02:23] tfinc: yes, you may. [18:05:51] notnarayan, ok, hangout link sent [18:06:01] still wrestling with the camera, sadly [18:07:04] tfinc: "This makes photo scavenger hunts so much easier. Also easier than the web-based Commons upload form. Which is an incentive to get an Android emulator for my laptop... " on the commons app on play store, review :) [18:07:16] YuviPanda: were doing it right [18:07:21] good job team [18:07:26] happens to be from someone in the board of trustees - wonderful trolling, recognizable only to the people who know how completely shitty the android emulator is [18:07:30] now we need to get the iOS contribs moving [18:07:37] getting the app in store is critical [18:07:47] yup [18:07:56] brion and i were chatting yesterday and i'm pushing to get it out at the end of the *next* sprint [18:08:44] yeah, will have to stop working on features and do a lot of stabilization, I think [18:09:16] YuviPanda: where is that comment from ? [18:09:21] tfinc: play store [18:09:23] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikimedia.commons [18:09:34] tfinc: we've one 1 star, which I believe is when we were crashing due to the SSL bug [18:10:01] 1 out of 12 [18:10:05] not bad [18:10:49] i am disappointed to not see much pickup after the blog post [18:11:01] growth is steady but not large increase due to it [18:11:02] our blog posts don't usually have that much reach, I think [18:11:07] plus we are not really measuring it [18:11:14] you want to see really good growth? CENTRAL NOTICE! [18:11:16] :) [18:11:17] we'll have to drive it harder with a CentralNotice campaign [18:11:24] indeed. [18:11:34] they have the range if we get picked up by the media [18:11:41] that ist rue [18:11:45] i think campaigns have the power to be picked up [18:12:39] yup! [18:12:46] should get there fast [18:15:21] with notnarayan's help [18:22:58] YuviPanda: I'm looking at the international reviews [18:23:07] oooh, I didn't. how're they? [18:23:13] "Ha? Wie kann ich mich registrieren? " <-- i can already guess what this means [18:23:23] (my internet is 0.05 mbps right now, so i dare not open any new pages) [18:23:26] YuviPanda: you can easily see them in the dashboard [18:23:29] yup, brion-apiwork is on it :) [18:23:45] i do like this one "Get it The app works really great already, even on a slow phone. It also looks really neat. You should download it." [18:23:52] \o/ [18:24:29] and i see that SJ wrote the comment you sent above YuviPanda [18:24:35] :D yes [18:24:47] I didn't know who he was [18:24:50] he's a good advocate to have and very active [18:25:00] tfinc: indeed. [18:25:15] YuviPanda: he's a current board member [18:25:21] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees#Samuel_Klein [18:25:23] yes, Ironholds told me [18:27:55] awjr: do you have a slide about alpha/beta/stable? [18:28:01] looks like i can make the captcha on user create compat with the stuff that's already in there for login and edit. making food progress, hope to be done by end of day if no surprises [18:28:04] tfinc: yes [18:28:08] # [18:28:11] *good progress [18:28:20] tfinc: well, i was going to talk about the introduction of alpha (and talk a bit around beta/stable there too) [18:28:30] k, then i'll delete my placeholder [18:28:30] brion-apiwork: food progress? :P [18:28:39] must be nearing lunchtime :P [18:28:52] awjr: i'm going to be working on my sections all day so expect questions/comments from me [18:29:00] Maryana: --^ (Quarterly Review) [18:29:08] tfinc: cool, i will be up until deploy time [18:29:09] heh [18:29:36] awjr: Maryana any concern if i share the deck with mobile tech this afternoon ? [18:29:41] tfinc: no [18:36:43] not at all - go right ahead, tfinc [18:45:47] ok i've got the captcha passthrough in theory,,, have to get that to play nice with the token [18:46:48] :D [18:48:08] brion-apiwork: your going to make that 1star german reviewer very happy [18:48:16] :) [18:49:13] YuviPanda: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons#Iteration_5 needs an update [18:49:15] err [18:49:19] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons#Iteration_4 [18:49:25] doing [18:49:57] brion-apiwork: i'm adding release to market for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons#Iteration_5 [18:50:24] tfinc: done [18:51:30] YuviPanda: how much control of the default sharing text do we have ? [18:52:38] tfinc: full. [18:53:10] tfinc: to rephrase, on some providers we have full control. on some, none. [18:53:14] twitter gives us full control, fo rexample [18:53:19] what about facebook ? [18:53:23] those are the big ones [18:53:43] i want to create messaging around this is what i uploaded and you should too [18:53:59] to grow our contributor base [18:54:04] huge potential there [18:54:40] "I just contributed this to the sum of all human knowledge. What did you do today?" [18:54:41] hehe [18:54:58] tfinc: yes, I am planning to do that on post upload [18:55:03] tfinc: but not on the detail view share, since that might from anywhere [18:55:19] tfinc: excellent [18:55:33] when you get it rigged up show me. i'd like to see the flow. that kind of messaging will give us a huge boost [18:58:09] tfinc: yup. post upload, should be on for next week. [18:58:14] i need to look at the design but. [18:58:22] k [19:03:32] Maryana: i added some app slides last night [19:05:05] Maryana: tfinc the Q4 strategy doc says nothing of campaigns, so I'll add some next week [19:05:14] YuviPanda: k [19:20:00] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Story 440: Promote pageimages to stable on watchlist" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53790 [19:24:32] Maryana: what guidance are you prepared to give for projects like WikiVoyage, accountless uploads, and other really far reaching initiatives ? [19:29:04] awjr: can you have more of your slides in before this afternoon? i'd like to have more of your narrative before i share the slides with the teams [19:29:20] tfinc i'll have as much done as i can before deployment [19:29:25] k [19:29:41] tfinc i expect to have something in place for nearly every slide by then [19:29:59] perfect. that it'll be good to share by the afternoon [19:31:22] jcmish: is the betalabs standup still happening? [19:31:42] tfinc: as part of the quarterly review? [19:31:46] Maryana: yes [19:31:58] Erik brought up those specific questions with me [19:32:54] hm. i haven't really thought deeply about it. i think it's a little premature, given that we haven't really defined our primary objective with the mobile space [19:33:15] like, is it primarily an acquisition of new users tool? an empowering existing editors tool? [19:33:22] k, think about it long term but we can say that were not ready to make estimates yet [19:33:56] i can add a slide with some high-level bullet points around this [19:34:24] i should, actually. i was hoping to spend some time in the Q4 planning meetings getting a discussion going about the place of mobile in the wider wikimedia ecosystem [19:34:43] might be good to give erik & sue a heads up about this convo :) [19:35:34] yup [19:36:01] Maryana: what space do you have open to discuss communication for Q3/Q4 ... marketing specifically [19:36:37] maybe right after hitting on the short-term strategy of productizing nearby [19:36:43] there could be a long-term strategy slide [19:43:23] ragesoss: around? [19:43:31] vaguely [19:45:35] ragesoss: https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-2.png and https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_multople_upload.png [19:45:40] YuviPanda, I thought that maybe we should remove generated data (json and csv) from the dahsboard's repo, what do you think? [19:45:53] jgonera: sure, once they are publicly available from stat1001 [19:46:02] jgonera: the data is in the git repo as an interim solution [19:46:08] jgonera: there's an RT ticket about this [19:46:14] YuviPanda, oh, ok [19:46:26] YuviPanda, btw, how often generate.py runs on kripke now? [19:46:43] YuviPanda: not bad. Will it have a description field as well? [19:46:43] because I deployed to mobile-dev and it still doesn't show today's data [19:46:47] jgonera: generate.py doesn't run on kripke ;) [19:46:56] jgonera: there is no cron. I do it manually [19:46:56] ooh... [19:47:02] I can do one run now [19:47:13] no, I can do it too [19:47:13] no problem [19:47:13] ragesoss: you can tap an image to add details [19:47:14] jgonera: ok! [19:47:23] but we'll have it in cron eventually? ;) [19:47:30] jgonera: yup. stat1001 [19:47:30] YuviPanda: what about adding the same thing to all at once? [19:47:33] ok [19:47:47] YuviPanda: I think that's a critical feature of multi-upload. [19:47:51] ragesoss: for desc? How common is that? [19:48:03] ragesoss: for title you add base title, and everything gets a derivative [19:48:17] ragesoss: and thubnail sizing is dynamic - so if you are uploading only 3, you get much larger thumbnails [19:48:22] than if you are uploading 60 [19:48:28] YuviPanda: for me, I do mass uploads with shared base descriptions all the time. [19:48:31] but their minimum values are clamped so that they don't get too small [19:48:55] YuviPanda: that sounds like a good display approach. [19:49:07] ragesoss: hmmm. I see [19:49:24] YuviPanda: if the titles are all in a set, then quite often the descriptions will also be the same or similar. [19:49:39] ragesoss: but how is this as a general design? the other alternative to this was to have one image per screen, and you would have to swipe between them [19:49:47] (titles will still be default auto generated, but no 'overview') [19:50:24] YuviPanda: I like this, I think. I'd have to actually try it out, but overview is nice. [19:50:28] ragesoss: hmm, right. I can add an expando box somewhere that lets you add descriptions and perhaps categories too. [19:50:32] ragesoss: it doesn't upload yet :P [19:50:42] ragesoss: I spent all day getting the display algorithm right [19:50:53] i'm fairly happy with how it works, but could use more tweaking :) [19:51:04] and it scrolls vertically for large sets? [19:51:10] ragesoss: yes [19:51:19] good [19:56:29] brion-apiwork: \o/ [19:56:45] YuviPanda: you saw the mail i just sent? [19:56:49] yes [19:56:53] that's the \o/ for [19:56:56] please give feedback and test if possible :D [19:57:01] will try to :D [19:57:07] brion-apiwork: https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_-2.png and https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_multople_upload.png [19:57:08] ? [19:57:23] jdlrobson: what were some of the good articles with the 'has issues' meme? [19:57:37] awjr: i started a blog for this purpose ;-) [19:57:40] ha [19:57:46] YuviPanda: so that's like an initial input of title, and it automatically appends a number on all of them? [19:57:56] any chance to dive in and rename them or just that's what you get? :D [19:57:57] brion-apiwork: multiple uploads implementation work, with adaptive thumbnail sizes. as you type the title is modified [19:58:02] brion-apiwork: yes, you can tap them to add details [19:58:04] http://wikipediahasissues.tumblr.com/ < awjr need to add a few of the best ones though :) [19:58:05] nice [19:58:11] brion-apiwork: and swipe between the tapped detail views [19:58:20] haven't worked out a way to get twitter posts on there in a nice way [19:58:30] brion-apiwork: i spent some time getting the thumbnails to 'auto-resize' - so if you are uploading only 3 files, the thumbs will be much larger, than if you are uploading 60 [19:58:37] brion-apiwork: but they are clamped at a minimum, so won't be tiny [19:58:44] nice touch [19:58:58] I guess that is needed for it to be usable [19:59:08] Specifically, I do not want large empty spaces :D [19:59:39] *nod* [19:59:40] I actually want it to 'expand to cover about 1.5x screen height' [20:00:35] expand screen to 3x its current size. [20:00:40] that'd be a nice feature. [20:00:46] heh [20:01:03] ragesoss: :P coming soon to a replicator near you... [20:01:11] brion-apiwork: I'm thinking if we should start using http://subtlepatterns.com/ [20:01:27] Licensing should be okay [20:01:40] and it isn't iOS-style heavy [20:01:50] mmmmmm light textures [20:02:08] ragesoss: does calling it 'base title' make sense/ [20:02:08] ? [20:02:42] YuviPanda: makes sense to me, although it's slightly inelegant. But I can't think of anything better off the top of my head. [20:02:44] ragesoss: I'm first going to get 'multiple uploads with no way to edit title', then 'multiple uploads with a detail view so you can edit title / description', and only finally 'multiple uploads where you can set base description / categories' [20:02:46] (in order of priority' [20:02:47] ) [20:02:49] ragesoss: yup. [20:02:54] 'Set Title'? [20:02:58] 'Title'? [20:03:24] where does the name of the field appear? [20:03:31] ragesoss: 'hint text' [20:03:31] in grey before you begin typing? [20:03:40] ragesoss: appears before you start typing [20:03:40] yes [20:03:42] I think that is enough? [20:03:49] yes. [20:04:01] it'll be self-explanatory when they begin and the dynamic stuff happens. [20:04:16] but you could actually be more verbose, maybe. [20:04:19] jdlrobson: what's the twitter hashtag? [20:04:38] jdlrobson: what's the twitter hashtg? [20:04:54] there isn't a hash tag (yet) [20:05:06] just search for wikipedia issues [20:05:08] YuviPand: 'title for this set'? [20:05:09] on twitter [20:05:14] or tumblr (little harder) [20:05:46] ragesoss: maybe, yes. [20:06:18] also, square thumbnails [20:11:07] yeah, definitily square thumbs [20:11:19] ragesoss: yup, just did that :) [20:12:27] ragesoss: I'll send you an early dratft to try out in a while :) [21:15:09] Yippie, build fixed! [21:15:09] Project MobileFrontend-mac-ipad build #336: FIXED in 11 min: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-ipad/336/ [21:15:10] l10n-bot: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [21:15:47] Yippie, build fixed! [21:15:48] Project MobileFrontend-mac-iphone build #339: FIXED in 9 min 4 sec: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-iphone/339/ [21:15:48] l10n-bot: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [21:22:00] wow. temperature here just broke 100F [21:22:15] first time this year; and unusually early in the year [21:26:29] awjr: does that mean the swamp coolers are coming out? [21:26:56] tfinc surprisingly it was about 40 or 50F over night, so the inside of my house hasn't really warmed up all the way yet. [21:27:02] if this keeps up though, ask me again tomorrow! [21:27:55] wheeee multiple uploads wheee. [21:28:44] jgonera, i have a new app icon/favicon [21:28:49] ragesoss: https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bleh_uploafs_-1.jpeg https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bleh_uploafs_-2.jpeg https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bleh_uploafs_-3.jpeg [21:28:56] i just need to know the various sizes we need to provide for it [21:28:58] http://i.imgur.com/ZjrOArO.png [21:29:02] pretty simple [21:29:24] munaf_, ok, but as I mentioned to vbamba it might need approval from the core people (that's what Jon said last time) [21:29:28] gotcha [21:29:45] well yeah, i know that ios uses naming standards for various sizes of icons [21:29:50] i think android recognizes them too [21:29:52] I'll have a look into that later, probably tomorrow [21:29:55] ok [21:29:56] cool [21:33:02] jgonera are there any configuration changes that you know of for today's deployment? [21:33:23] none that I'm aware of awjr [21:33:39] well, disabling SiteNotice [21:33:58] ragesoss: ping when around :) [21:35:03] jgonera: cool thanks; it will be disabled by deafult :) [21:35:05] er [21:35:06] defaut [21:35:10] >_< [21:35:11] default. [21:51:58] yuvipanda [21:52:19] hey ragesoss. Give me about 5 minutes, I've almost got a build ready for you :) [21:55:15] jcmish: do you have an updated code cutoff for today's deployment? [21:55:28] I do [21:55:35] it's already on the wiki [21:56:00] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend/Deployments/2013-03-13 ? [21:56:16] yessir [21:56:23] it appears to be missing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/53601/ [21:56:32] ragesoss: uninstall commons app? [21:56:43] I got my MHL cable today, but it isn't working yet in cm10.1 [21:56:51] ah ran it again this morning [21:56:55] the Play version? [21:56:57] hold please awjr [21:57:06] ragesoss: yes. [21:57:13] ragesoss: and install https://bit.ly/android-commons [21:57:15] (not the nightly) [21:57:22] ragesoss: has multiple upload :) [21:57:23] np jcmish [21:57:25] (an early version of) [21:57:25] awjr: deployment o clock [21:57:27] ragesoss: goes to testwiki [21:57:32] yes indeed jdlrobson [21:57:38] ragesoss: you need to select multiple pics from gallery and send it in [21:58:42] ragesoss: this is exciting :) [21:58:45] jgonera: have you noticed jslint is failing in jenkins now.. any idea why it is ignoring our jshint rc? [21:59:23] it's pointed at Commons? [21:59:25] I noticed, but haven't investigated since it's non-voting and we run jshint locally anyway, maybe when I have more time [21:59:41] awjr: commit b100dfbccea94ed95de5b79794413d2d22f39c7f [21:59:47] nope. [21:59:57] answered own Q [22:00:05]