[00:01:03] yup, thanks superm401 [00:04:26] Project MobileFrontend-mac-iphone build #340: UNSTABLE in 11 min: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-iphone/340/ [00:04:26] * jgonera: Restore logo-copyright-en.png [00:04:27] * jgonera: Don't call closeNavigation() on touchend if no menu closed [00:04:38] Project MobileFrontend-mac-ipad build #337: UNSTABLE in 10 min: https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-mac-ipad/337/ [00:04:39] * jgonera: Restore logo-copyright-en.png [00:04:39] * jgonera: Don't call closeNavigation() on touchend if no menu closed [00:14:36] awjr: you about? [00:14:43] tfinc: yup [00:15:55] would you be up for a hangout between howie and myself. he's got some ideas for the presentation ? [00:16:48] awjr: --^ [00:17:00] tfinc: can you give me 5 mins? [00:17:04] awjr: sure [00:17:10] cool [00:24:01] tfinc: ok ready [00:25:34] awjr: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/bc09e75a8d2161781a3b011d0c3e3afeca0b42c3?authuser=0&hl=en [00:45:47] Scap is done [00:47:23] awjr, which scenario do you use: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_family ? [00:55:55] jgonera: looking [00:56:57] jgonera: none of them [00:57:21] i basically have two separate wikis using separate code bases and separate databases on the same virtual machine. both accessible from the same domain, but different paths [00:57:36] it's pretty hacky [00:57:43] but it works! [00:57:58] and i think i have the centralauth tables living in one of the two databases (i think in my default wiki instance) [01:00:23] hm [01:02:59] I think I need to set it up with two different subdomains though, else I'm not going to be able to check if I actually fix the problem [01:03:05] oh, well, back to reading [01:07:04] that makes sense [01:07:16] good luck [01:13:02] ok folks im outta here - see you tomorrow! [01:14:25] bye awjr [01:16:20] New patchset: JGonera; "Update cc-by-sa image and menu images" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/53910 [13:43:27] hey ragesoss [13:43:33] hey [13:43:42] ragesoss: what machine do you have? [13:43:49] also do you have the android sdk? :D [13:43:50] all the machines [13:44:02] full sdk, or just adb? [13:44:08] ragesoss: just ab [13:44:10] adb [13:44:14] i just want adb logcat output [13:44:14] yes [13:45:09] ragesoss: can you pastebin that? raw adb logcat output as you try to upload [13:45:24] walk me through the steps? [13:45:39] ragesoss: in your phone settings [13:45:43] ragesoss: do you see 'developer'? [13:45:49] debugging is on. [13:46:27] ragesoss: okay [13:46:38] ragesoss: so 1. connect phone to computer with usb cable [13:46:42] doen [13:46:45] done [13:47:12] ragesoss: on command line, execute '/platform-tools/adb logcat' [13:47:18] and you should see a stream of running text [13:47:43] do you? [13:47:50] if you are on latest android you might have a prompt on your phone [13:47:57] asking if it is okay to grant this adb connecton [13:48:45] stuck on waiting for device... [13:49:26] ragesoss: you have USB debugging on? [13:49:34] ragesoss: do you get a notification saying how it is connected? [13:49:55] yes. lemme try on the other computer [13:50:03] I think it has a cleaner setup [13:50:06] ah ok [13:52:28] gotta go for a bit... [13:52:42] ragesoss: ok [13:52:45] ragesoss: ping when back [13:54:53] back. grrr still not working [13:55:23] I have the debugging enabled notification. [13:55:30] ragesoss: okay. [13:55:36] ragesoss: adb still says 'waiting'? [13:55:56] ragesoss: try adb kill-server, then adb start-server? [13:55:58] then adb logcat? [13:56:48] got it. [13:57:01] ragesoss: works? [13:57:05] yes [13:57:40] now what? [13:57:58] wow my phone is busy under the surface. [13:58:47] ragesoss: sweet [13:58:50] ragesoss: yes it is :) [13:58:55] ragesoss: and this isn't full level usually :) [13:59:18] ragesoss: are you on a linux / os x machine? [13:59:28] linux [13:59:35] ragesoss: you can use 'tee' [13:59:52] ragesoss: 'adb logcat | tee outputfile.log' [13:59:58] ragesoss: will show you output as well as send it to the log [14:00:32] k. what's the normal way to kill the current terminal-only output [14:00:33] ? [14:00:37] ragesoss: so, 1. download nightly, install, 2. start that command, 3. try to upload, 4. once done (success or failure), ctrl-c terminal to stop command 5. send me outputfile.log [14:00:40] ragesoss: ctrl-c [14:05:12] hey, it's working! [14:05:18] ragesoss: oh? [14:05:20] ragesoss: wow :P [14:05:42] you got the two crash reports, I assume. one from yesterday's nightly, and then one from the new one. [14:06:11] but I reopened the app, tried to catch the errors in a logcat... and they didn't happen. Uploaded a set of 3 successfully. [14:06:12] ragesoss: did they fix themselves? [14:06:29] ragesoss: that is highly concerning. something wrong with the API return values :| [14:06:34] the crashes were unrelated to multi-upload. [14:07:51] ragesoss: ah [14:08:01] ragesoss: yes, still concerning. very weird error [14:09:55] okay, worked with 3. but failed with 15. [14:10:04] will try to get a logcat. [14:10:04] ragesoss: faild in the same way? [14:10:06] okay [14:10:22] yeah, same way [14:17:53] ragesoss: that's too intermittent. ugh. [14:18:13] what, the log? as in you need a higher level of detail? [14:18:32] ragesoss: no no, the failure [14:18:41] I just saw the logs [14:18:48] failed every time but one, right? [14:18:54] grepping through [14:31:12] hey brion [14:31:16] heyyyy [14:32:38] ragesoss: interesting. the service just seems to die, for no reason [14:32:45] once it has uploaded the first one [14:33:08] it uploads one? I thought they *all* fail. [14:33:23] ragesoss: well, *one* seems to upload, at least till the end/ [14:33:34] but ultimately fails. [14:33:38] D/Commons (30710): Uploaded 4628447 of 4628447 [14:33:45] I/ActivityManager( 442): Process org.wikimedia.beta.commons (pid 30710) has died. [14:35:04] ragesoss: i need to find out why it is dying [14:35:06] looking at it now [14:35:08] ragesoss: it doesn't die for me [14:35:14] ragesoss: do you have other things running in the bg? [14:35:27] nothing specific. [14:35:37] hmm [14:35:51] I'm sure there are things syncing and such, but no other active background apps I'm specifically using. [14:35:57] yeah, that's okay [14:36:04] possibly related... [14:36:17] I'm usually using Quasseldroid for IRC. [14:36:26] shouldn't be a problem [14:36:33] unless you have like 4 games or something :P [14:36:35] using Gallery intensively often makes it disconnect. [14:36:36] you're not on a low end android [14:36:48] like, memory gets too full of Gallery stuff or soemthing. [14:37:22] yeah, android kills those things [14:37:23] but, I've had multi-upload fail with that running in the background in cases where it didn't disconnect. [14:37:27] but this service is specially marked to not be killed [14:37:29] yeah [14:37:31] this isn't that [14:37:37] this is my multi-threaded code failing somewhere [14:38:14] threading is the devilllllll [14:38:29] or should i say [14:38:41] threadeviling is ding the [14:38:43] :D [14:40:23] so i had to remind the people working on making file upload controls work in firefox os that many web apps expect a file extension on their filenames [14:40:29] they wanted to make the filename just "blob" [14:40:51] :D [14:40:57] extensions are so DOSy [14:41:18] extensions suck. but NOBODY trusts the mime type on file uploads ;) [14:42:02] :D [14:42:03] indeed [14:42:13] brion: i was fixing extensions on the android app a while back. it sitll sucks [14:42:25] yups [14:42:26] mediawiki expects extensions. android doesn't have extensions [14:42:33] and no extremely reliable way to get mimetype [14:42:36] *sniff* [14:43:01] i also noticed that while mediawiki api uploads can sometimes detect the type, upload wizard totally doesn't and rejects files with no extension [14:43:15] brion: it almost always detects the file type [14:43:23] brion: notice android having .jpeg rather than jpg :P [14:43:29] heh [14:43:47] * brion blames DOS for .jpg [14:43:51] brion: how's the account creation coming? [14:43:54] remember .htm files? [14:44:16] YuviPanda: it seems to work, i'm hoping for some productive feedback :) [14:44:24] yes, I do :P [14:44:58] heh i remember whinging that i couldn't compile Java applets on 16-bit windows because it didn't support long file names and the ".java" or ".class" extensions [14:45:21] :D [15:22:12] ragesoss: around? [15:23:57] yep [15:24:08] YuviPanda [15:24:55] ragesoss: do a test. share multiple files, but *do not* open the my contributions view [15:24:59] ragesoss: just monitor from the notifications area [15:25:01] ragesoss: don't tap it [15:25:05] see if that succeeds? [15:25:13] ragesoss: does that make sense? [15:25:17] it does not, based on previous experience. [15:25:27] nothing appears in notifications area until i open thea pp. [15:25:32] except for about a second. [15:25:32] ow [15:25:33] ok [15:25:37] right. ok [15:25:54] sad part is that it completely completes fine for me. eugh [15:26:01] let's try another device, just to make sure [15:26:04] brion: ahey? [15:26:22] ? [15:26:36] brion: can you test bit.ly/commons-beta? [15:26:44] brion: specifically, the multiple upload feature? [15:26:50] brion: works for me, doesn't for ragesoss, so I'm trying to nail down the problem [15:26:55] moment [15:30:32] brion: what devicE? [15:31:56] hmm [15:31:58] nexus 10 [15:32:04] how do i do multiple selection in gallery? [15:32:20] brion: press and hold the first one [15:32:36] once it vibrates, you can tap additional. [15:32:46] it just highlights then ends the highlight. [15:32:58] no vibrate, no context actionbar [15:33:06] brion: press and hold first one for 'long enough'? [15:33:57] crazy. i took some more screenshots and now it works [15:33:59] O_o [15:34:08] :P [15:34:17] brion: how does it look? [15:35:50] YuviPanda: looks ok at first, but it crashes during upload. just sent you a crash report [15:35:58] this was with Picasa images, had a read permission error [15:36:04] lemme try with local screaanshots [15:36:18] wat that is so weird [15:36:33] heh [15:37:46] local screenshots appear to have uploaded, but there's no final notification telling you it's done [15:38:00] brion: how many did you upload? [15:38:12] https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles <- 3 screenshots all went through [15:38:19] https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles <- of 3 bay bridge photos only one got through [15:38:19] brion: did you open the app up again and confirm? [15:38:31] weird [15:39:15] all of mine are going through [15:39:16] aargh [15:40:24] ragesoss: can you try bit.ly/android-commons? (new build) [15:40:32] [WikipediaMobile] brion pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/0po2DA [15:40:32] WikipediaMobile/master 2db9a8a bbondy: Bug 45782 - Windows 8 app: Support context sensitive sharing of HTML [15:40:32] WikipediaMobile/master bf47278 Brion Vibber: Merge pull request #322 from bbondy/master... [15:40:47] Project WikipediaMobile - Nightly builds build #498: SUCCESS in 16 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/WikipediaMobile%20-%20Nightly%20builds/498/ [15:40:47] netzen: Bug 45782 - Windows 8 app: Support context sensitive sharing of HTML [15:40:51] brion: thanks! [15:41:03] bbondy: thanks for the patches :D [15:41:17] np I'll work on some more soon as I have time [15:41:53] awesome [15:42:42] brion: the picasa ones didn't go through but the local screenshots did, right? [15:42:57] web browsers in metro are a hybrid (both winrt and win32) so it's nice to work on a real native win8 app :) [15:43:56] YuviPanda: right [15:44:05] that's fine [15:44:11] brion: can you try uploading 10 or 15? :P [15:44:18] brion: also how did the UI look for uploading? [15:44:24] not complete, of course, but the concept? [15:44:25] bbondy: heh… wish i could install firefox on my surface RT though ;_; [15:44:33] YuviPanda... working! [15:44:36] YuviPanda: interface looked fine [15:44:41] heh me too :) [15:44:49] ragesoss: bingo! [15:44:55] i'm gonna have to take more screenshots; i wiped this device last month so it doesn't have a lot of pics on it :D [15:44:58] ragesoss: try again? [15:45:02] I think you can jailbreak it but that's no good for the general population [15:45:03] brion: haha :P [15:45:19] YuviPanda:it's on #5 of 16. [15:45:26] ragesoss: sweeet. let's wait :D [15:45:38] maybe they'll only have surface pros in a couple years then problem solved :) [15:46:41] YuviPanda: it failed at #7. [15:46:50] ragesoss: same way as before? [15:46:52] possibly related to me clearing the notification area. [15:47:08] ragesoss: you were able to clear this? :| [15:47:12] ragesoss: this should be unclearable! [15:47:24] is it clearable? [15:47:24] yeah, same as before... when I reopened app, it stays stuck on 'starting' for the one it left off on. [15:47:33] but all remaining ones are Failed. [15:47:43] YuviPanda: it's not now. [15:47:48] ragesoss: but was it? [15:47:49] YuviPanda: with 13 images it's getting a little sluggish typing in the title [15:48:03] but it was when initially populated from the gallery upload, without directly opening the app. [15:48:23] lemme retry to confirm that behavior. [15:48:31] ragesoss: yes, that would explain some things. [15:49:17] YuviPanda: hmm... failed immediately this time. [15:49:59] YuviPanda: not clearable this time, and it's working. [15:50:13] so it is intermittently clearable and not clearable [15:50:26] I did the clear all button, so maybe it was a different notif that was clearable, and it just crashed at the same time. [15:51:04] YuviPanda: 13 screen shots all uploaded ok, only problem was the sluggishness on typing title [15:51:06] possible. but if the notifications are clearable then that explains everything [15:51:12] ok i gotta get ready to head into the office, see ya in a bit [15:51:15] brion: okay, I'll need to work on making that faster [15:51:48] YuviPanda: when it is working, they don't seem to be clearable. When it doesn't work, they typically clear of their own accord. [15:52:04] sure, but typically clear of own accord also applies when they crash [15:52:13] right. [15:52:15] so we dunno if they crash because of clear or clear because of crash :P [15:52:33] I don't think I crashed it by clearing. I suspect that was just another app that I cleared and it happened to crash about then. [15:53:08] Hello, why the upload image button is not available on mobile devices, while appearing in mobile view on desktop version? [15:53:20] ragesoss: ah, ok [15:53:27] mido: which device? [15:53:45] iPod and iPad, both same result [15:54:10] mido: are you logged in? [15:54:27] mido: either way, jdlrobson / jgonera should be online in an hour or so, and will be in a much better position to help than me [15:54:27] yes [15:55:23] ok, I have also another issue with RTL versions [15:55:47] the button with donate image have an overlapping image of a camera with the text [15:55:55] on desktop? [15:56:02] the image should be on the other side of the button [15:56:04] yes [15:56:05] https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:DonateImage [15:56:13] ragesoss: try bit.ly/android-commons again? [15:56:15] made a patch [15:56:15] I still can't see that button on mobile [15:56:33] mido: sorry, I won't be able to help much :( [15:56:39] jdlrobson / jgonera should be here in an hour [15:57:45] Thanks anyway :) [15:58:26] ragesoss: i'm heading out to eat. try it and let me know. [15:59:58] YuviPanda: k. seems to be working this time, on 13 files. nope, crashed at #5. [16:00:16] spontaneously, while I monitored in notif area. [16:01:53] ragesoss: augh. [16:02:47] ragesoss: try on your tablet? [16:03:24] ragesoss: and another logcat dump? [16:03:36] ragesoss: i'm going to head out for dinner. I just realized I hadn't eaten since yesterday afternoon [16:04:04] go! [16:05:11] ragesoss: but try on tablet and send me logcat dumps [16:05:15] and also see how it looks on the biggers creen [16:05:20] k [17:09:01] yo yo yo [17:25:02] tfinc, Maryana, awjr, updated stats at http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [17:25:22] dude! [17:25:25] awesome jgonera [17:25:29] jgonera what is '591'? [17:25:39] w00t! [17:25:39] where? [17:25:44] er and 46, 6, and 11? [17:25:50] those appear to be graph names? [17:26:01] well, they appear to the left of most of the graph names [17:26:01] oh, I guess 591 is total uploads in the last 30 days [17:26:12] I just move my cursor over the graph and look at the legend [17:26:38] yeah, Yuvi and I have to work on naming and legend [17:26:48] oh i see [17:26:57] oh good Chip finally took my advice and mailed out [17:27:02] people will now know whats happening [17:27:07] that's the last total, but I don't know why Limn shows it there by default [17:27:19] jgonera: this is great. thanks for doing this :) [17:27:24] tfinc and now maybe it will finally happen! [17:27:42] Maryana, we have to measure our main goal somehow ;) [17:27:45] tfinc: are they going with mac mini because chromebox has been too much of a pita? [17:27:51] yup [17:28:08] oh, one thing i just noticed: why does it say march 13-march 13? [17:34:21] tfinc: I added 'total uploads in last 30 days' to the reportcard [17:34:21] Maryana, I'm wondering the same thing, I have to ask someone from Analytics how to change that [17:34:27] stole jgonera's code so it reports web too [17:34:28] hey jgonera [17:34:34] thanks for fixing the SQL. [17:34:36] hi YuviPanda [17:34:38] * YuviPanda is ORMspoilt [17:35:01] no problem, I just noticed the data points jumped [17:35:17] I mean, when I moved the mouse cursor [17:35:40] ah, right [17:35:51] also SQL sucks :P [17:35:52] and that made me thinking that something was wrong [17:36:00] jgonera: me and ori-l were thinking of using MongoDB for some of these [17:36:05] apparently Limn will not assume 0 for missing days [17:36:13] might do an experimental switch at some point to see how it is [17:36:17] you mean for event logging? [17:36:39] YuviPanda: works fine on my tablet, and the UI is good. [17:36:51] 101 pics uploaded successfully. [17:36:52] ragesoss: so it's just your phone that is causing problems? [17:36:56] ragesoss: the service is dying when it shouldn't [17:37:03] * YuviPanda wonders if it is a cm problem [17:37:05] YuviPanda: file size related? [17:37:11] ragesoss: no, definitely not. [17:37:17] I think all the pics from the tablet were somewhat smaller. [17:37:17] I make it a point to *not* read files into memory [17:37:22] YuviPanda, it seems like a good idea to try out, because now when we change the schema, we would have to join multiple tables to retain historical data [17:37:30] jgonera: yup, that sucks [17:37:45] plus Mongo's website lists logging as one of the best use cases [17:38:30] jgonera: yup, but their 'preferred logging' method mentions bucketing on insert, rather than aggregation [17:38:35] but they do have a nice aggregation framework [17:39:20] YuviPanda: me likes [17:39:21] http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [17:39:58] YuviPanda, what do you mean by aggregation? [17:40:22] jgonera: bucketing on insert, rather than when we run our query [17:40:32] http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/applications/aggregation/ is their 'aggregation' framework [17:40:43] which we'll have to use to get data in the form we want [17:40:43] so [17:41:09] tfinc: basic version of multiple upload is up. ragesoss loves the UI :) [17:41:11] (I think? :P) [17:41:24] YuviPanda: loves is a little strong. [17:41:27] it has performance issues. [17:41:28] YuviPanda: is that why we have so many new uploads as of yesterday ? [17:41:36] tfinc: no, those all go into testwiki :) [17:41:47] oh yes, I know, queries might be more confusing than in SQL [17:41:49] ragesoss: sure, but the concept is nice. [17:41:57] tfinc: I just uploaded a batch of 101 baby photos to test.wiki today. [17:41:58] although our current SQL queries aren't that simple either ;) [17:42:00] ragesoss: :P Was dog slow on 100? [17:42:09] jgonera: true, I bet the Mongo ones will be simpler than this [17:42:24] YuviPanda: wasn't that bad with 100, perhaps because they were small. [17:42:26] jgonera: ori-l suggested just loading everything into memroy and using numpy / pandas, but loading everything into memory makes me feel dirty :) [17:42:32] ragesoss: file size is not a factor [17:42:36] ragesoss: what was it bad with? [17:42:45] YuviPanda, I agree with you ;) [17:43:00] YuviPanda: my phone, with a medium number of ~5mb files. [17:43:10] ragesoss: medium number -> 20? [17:43:18] less [17:43:25] maybe 15 [17:43:33] the thumbs take a while to all load [17:43:46] ragesoss: are you on CM nightly? [17:43:48] and then if I scroll down, and back up, some of the previously loaded thumbnails are gone. [17:44:07] YuviPanda: yeah. same basic behavior on tablet, except not quite as slow. [17:44:21] ragesoss: interesting. all symptoms point to your phone having much less memory than I'd expect from a CM phone [17:44:31] (missing images usually means OOM errors) [17:45:09] tfinc: but I suspect that when it hits the play store, it *will* increase the number of uploads by a fair bit :) [17:46:46] YuviPanda: can we trim the labels on http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ to not include the section headings ? [17:46:53] YuviPanda: free ram is kinda low. [17:46:54] like 'unique-uploaders' [17:46:58] 166MB [17:47:02] tfinc: yeah, I should get on that [17:47:07] tfinc: debugging the app with ragesoss [17:47:09] will do after [17:47:10] k [17:47:44] lol Maryana i like that you added an appendix to the preso [17:48:44] hehe, that wasn't me! [17:48:46] maybe howie? [17:49:01] lol [17:49:04] i'd buy that [17:49:14] hey awjr Maryana [17:49:22]