[00:00:11] ok i'll be back online later, will make the zero config switch around 8pm to make sure it's live by 9pm [00:00:12] enjoy :D [00:06:49] Maryana: can you point me to your last blog post about uploads ? [00:07:05] there hasn't been one yet [00:07:22] i don't want to send 70% of uploaders to a perilous death :( [00:07:24] why never published it ? [00:07:27] * tfinc sighs [00:07:29] centralauth [00:07:30] ok [00:07:39] then i can't use that as a recruitment focus [00:07:41] hmm [00:07:45] i wanted to reference it [00:07:48] there's a draft that's scheduled to go out next wednesday [00:07:51] DAMN YOU CENTRAL AUTH [00:07:55] i know [00:09:06] Maryana: what is the last blog post that the web team did ? [00:09:25] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/02/13/follow-your-favorite-wikipedia-pages-on-the-mobile-web/ ? [00:09:50] New patchset: awjrichards; "(mingle #410) Add X-Analytics request/response header handling support" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [00:10:37] actually, there's this one that mentions uploads: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/01/11/mobile-beta-a-sandbox-for-new-experimental-features/ [00:10:45] New review: awjrichards; "I fixed things up per Dsc's comments. Also snuck in some unit tests that I shoulda added originally." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [00:10:50] tfinc ^ [00:10:56] thanks [00:11:06] the most recent was watchlist/login stuff that also mentioned uploads [00:24:13] New review: Jdlrobson; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54813 [00:36:01] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Alpha: Surface talk pages on article" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54140 [01:36:23] New review: Dsc; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [03:05:12] dfoy: updated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Zero-rated-mobile-access-carrier-options [03:05:31] should update out of cache within the next hour [03:05:41] brion: ok thx [03:06:00] i'll check back in a bit before 9 [03:06:08] ok [03:06:18] keep them fingers crossed :) [03:06:28] haha - hope I don't need to :) [03:07:28] dfoy, so do you want me to be on the call? [03:07:44] and if yes, are there anything you DON'T want me to say :D [03:08:57] yurik:yes, I've sent an email out to Beeline to see if they are open to a voice call with you translating [03:09:49] yurik: I do avoid giving your direct contact information to partners to avoid you being abused by them :) [03:10:00] oh, that's totally fine :) [03:10:12] i know how to send them ... to you :) [03:10:13] haha - yes you might say that now, but.... [03:11:09] So it's musical chairs on their end, and I haven't been contacted yet by the person who will conduct the test in Moscow [03:14:03] dfoy, moscow is well known for its major traffic [03:14:14] they are still driving ;) [03:14:48] btw, remember, i am not a pro-translator [03:14:51] yes, there have been a lot of Russia dash-cam driver videos going around lately [03:14:58] ok [03:15:04] oh yeah, ever since that meteorite :) [03:15:24] yes, that was pretty cool [03:15:24] although i have seen some funky compilations a few years ago [03:15:28] oh yeah [03:15:38] do you know why everyone has a dashboard cam? [03:16:25] I understand because of the bad drivers / corruption in courts? [03:17:16] corruption mostly [03:18:22] must be bad - adding expensive electronics to cars seems like extreme measures [03:21:39] dfoy, the joke goes like this - Lexus rams into steamroller. Cop gets there, takes a bribe from Lexus, walks up to the driver of the steamroller and tells him-- ok, tell me how you speed past lexus, and how you slammed on your breaks... [03:22:44] haha [03:23:24] it is pretty bad from what i hear [03:24:13] i don't think the solution is that expensive though - probably cheaper than a cell phone [03:24:33] I wonder if they're portable - seems like an easy target for theft [03:24:59] i'm pretty sure they are - just like GPS [03:26:35] howdy [03:26:40] ahoy! [03:26:45] howdy! [03:28:18] what time should i come back? [03:28:41] so in theory they start testing gin a half hour [03:28:42] 9:00 should be fine, no need to hang out of rnow [03:28:47] not much until then but waiting yes :) [03:28:50] PDT [03:28:51] haha [04:02:51] dfoy: ok i see the banners now on en.zero.wikipedia.org and ru.zero.wikipedia.org if i spoof header [04:03:14] brion: yes I just saw the same thing [04:04:16] damn, language options didn't get updated [04:04:25] lemme tweak that [04:04:42] ahem [04:04:56] yurik: yes? [04:05:22] isn't it 9pm? [04:05:34] or they haven't replied yet? [04:05:34] and that's why we need cache clearing on edit :) [04:05:48] ?? [04:05:56] brion: not seeing banners on m.wikipedia.org [04:06:10] yurik: nothing yet [04:06:19] dfoy: hmm i see them [04:06:20] a, ok, didn't want to miss the party [04:07:35] * brion waves [04:07:40] brion: got it on ru.m.wikipedia.org [04:07:49] brion: but not yet on en.m.wikpedia.org [04:08:01] hmm, i see it on both [04:08:15] brion: maybe some cache somewhere [04:08:16] try forcing a new page, make sure it's not cached? [04:08:29] brion: I'll try that [04:08:55] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoli shows banner for me [04:10:10] yea hat worked [04:10:32] cool - first time I've used the spoofing myself [04:11:17] excellent :D [04:11:41] trying to see if i can clear the carrier options cache manually to make the landing page work [04:12:00] ok [04:15:00] fwiw i'm getting the banner at webfoot on both en.m.wikipedia.org and ru.m.wikipedia.org with spoofed headers [04:15:09] s/webfoot/webroot/ [04:15:27] s/spoofed headers/a spoofed header/ [04:15:29] yay [04:16:17] straight up m.wikipedia.org 302'd me to en.m.wikipedia.org [04:17:29] ugh, not sure it's working from fenari (tampa), and i'm having trouble running MW scripts manually on bast1001 (virginia) [04:17:52] this is deep voodoo we shouldn't have to do manually :) [04:18:32] so the one problem i see is that the landing page e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ZeroRatedMobileAccess doesn't show the russian and english links [04:18:45] which'll be because that cache item didn't clear yet for the second options page [04:18:55] if that's not a big deal i can just leave it :) [04:19:03] yes I think that's ok for this test [04:19:07] ok [04:19:23] i'll keep poking cause now i'm just curious and want to make sure we can reproduce it if need be :) [04:19:52] sure if you like. I'm also curious if you can get landing pages from any active partner via spoofing. [04:20:12] yes, i've confirmed it works for Dialog Sri Lanka [04:20:12] Are you sure that the config for landing pages is wrong for this test? [04:20:15] ok [04:20:36] yes, i forgot to update it in time (thought the language options had been left over, but i had removed them from the previous test) [04:20:57] ok I see [04:20:57] the banner options cleared from cache right on time [04:21:31] yes that was on the nose [04:21:47] I was trying it around 8:59 and no banners [04:21:57] timing is everything :) [04:22:04] :) [04:23:09] yurik: If you need to finish up for the night, don't let this delay hold you up. It's rather late there. [04:23:11] yeah, i'd definitely escalate priority on the cache clearing on edit. it's too easy to make a small mistake [04:23:42] dfoy, last night i went to bed after 3 - i think i'm pretty PDT now :) [04:23:58] ok by me - :) [04:24:50] ok they just emailed me to join on skype [04:25:20] Let me join in and see about getting us together (if you want to use your Skype acct) [04:26:06] * brion is logging into servers [04:28:34] ugh, bast1001 doesn't have the right local files, and if i log into an app server it doesn't have the wrapper script to run the maintenance scripts [04:29:02] and that's assuming that i wasn't able to contact the right memcache servers from fenari [04:29:32] well, it should work within 45 minutes if someone wants to test it later [04:31:42] ok so they just called to say they are starting to test and will call back in about 20 minutes [04:31:53] ok [04:32:29] I had suggested getting Yuri and Adam on the call but I think they are rushing to get this taken care of. [04:32:44] no worries [04:32:49] Often for live test I'm on the call answering questions as they arise [04:33:06] brion, that FF extension for headers - do you see the altered headers in the firebug? [04:33:34] yurik: yes i do [04:33:34] bucause i set the headers, enabled it, but still get the red banner and i don't see any of the X... overrides in the firebug Net tab [04:33:49] yurik: you might have to both add, save, and enable them [04:33:52] it's kinda funky [04:33:55] like… terrible UI [04:33:56] bleh [04:36:57] it is horrid - had to export, delete, reimport, etc, but now it works!!! =) [04:37:05] getting proper banner on ru.zero [04:37:06] hah [04:37:10] excellent [04:38:13] working for me too. nice work guys. [04:38:44] and ru.m works fine too, with images and the banner! [04:40:18] \o/ [04:49:07] hey Kul [04:49:24] I need someone to develop an app that will wash my babies for me [04:49:31] * kwadhwa waves [04:49:33] :) [04:49:43] haha [04:50:32] So are you in the baby-washing business tonight? [04:50:48] Brion: you will help me wash the babies as soon as you move to my neighborhood. I've already signed you up the Mr. Halsell [04:50:59] in 10 min and counting... [04:51:11] we'll do what we can :) [04:51:53] ok i see landing page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ZeroRatedMobileAccess [04:52:21] it must force mobile view on that page :) [04:52:28] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ZeroRatedMobileAccess [04:53:00] that's what you get from zero.wikipedia.org [04:53:19] er http://en.zero.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ZeroRatedMobileAccess?useformat=mobile rather [04:54:10] dfoy: should the landing page show the russian banner by default when typing 'zero.wikipedia.org'? russian is first link but it's showing the english banner [04:54:56] brion: Good question - I don't think I've ever had that issue raised before [04:55:42] ok just let me know or file a bug if you want to switch it, i think i know which config needs tweaking [04:55:54] (in varnish) [04:56:02] ok back on call [04:57:19] dfoy, brion - the menu should probably also needs changing [04:57:41] because its in english [04:57:49] yurik: yeah; the fix would be to make sure zero.wikipedia.org redirects to the landing page on ru.zero.wikipedia.org when that carrier is active [04:57:59] iirc there's a block of such redirects in the config file [04:58:13] that would fix both the banner and the menu [04:58:20] cool [04:58:46] brion: they are asking about the ru.m.wikipedia.org disappearing one time [04:58:54] hmm [04:59:01] brion: could the work you've been doing affect this momentarily? [04:59:07] brion: it happened once and that was it [04:59:16] shouldn't, but it's possibly just a one-off cache glitch [05:00:39] brion: to clarify, the 'disappearance' was when they first tried their iOS device [05:00:51] brion: but then subsequent attempts worked. [05:00:58] I suspect this was just the device cache [05:01:00] ah, almost certainly cached then [05:01:04] yeah [05:01:21] dfoy, you could ask them to flush device cache just in case? [05:01:37] to see if they see it again? [05:01:39] yurik: Its all working now [05:01:50] better not touch it then ;) [05:01:53] :D [05:07:48] ok just got off the call [05:07:58] everything worked properly [05:08:07] yay [05:08:10] w00t [05:08:23] they do want to add an additional IP for an alternative APN [05:08:45] I told them we wouldn't be able to do that tonight, but would check on doing it tomorrow [05:09:14] If that's the case, I can handle the activation/deactivation via the config page since we are pretty much there in the testing [05:09:34] super [05:09:45] no need for everyone to hang out all evening on IRC for a last check [05:09:55] yei! [05:10:31] alright, i'm going to head on out. have a good night, all. [05:10:31] spiff :) [05:10:34] Thanks for being available to help out [05:10:50] gnight [05:10:59] Thanks Brion, Yuri [05:10:59] ok, let me know if anything else needs tweaking [05:11:03] later! [05:11:03] sure, cool [05:11:05] later [05:25:00] Hey dfoy. [05:25:23] hey jerith [05:25:56] How're things? [05:27:04] Very busy - I'm working with 2 new engineers dedicated to Wikipedia Zero. They just started this week [05:27:13] \o/ [05:27:36] What have you been up to lately? [05:27:46] Everything, apparently. [05:28:06] Rewriting vast swathes of vumi to make things more sensible. [05:28:18] Also, we finally opened the Vumi Go repo. [05:28:25] paying back some of that technical debt :) [05:28:59] Kul and I are planning a trip out to S. Africa soon [05:29:20] I heard. That's fantastic! [05:29:31] Yes - I'm really looking forward to it [05:30:00] I'll take you to a good Indian restaurant while you're here. :-P [05:30:01] part of our time we'll be up in Kenya, but we plan to spend some time in Capetown [05:30:05] haha - sounds good! [05:30:47] So you are fairly close to Capetown? [05:31:08] I'm in Cape Town as I type this, lying in bed. [05:31:22] ok thought that was likely [05:32:01] Simon Cross stopped by yesterday and we talked a bit with him [05:32:27] Yup. He's a good guy. [05:32:56] We're working on figuring out what it takes to actually launch the SMS/USSD service (business and foundation perspectives) [05:33:14] We've been writing videogames together for years. :-) [05:33:31] really - cool! [05:34:03] so can you tell me a bit about the vumi workshop on the 20th? [05:34:07] http://www.suspended-sentence.org/ is my favourite. [05:34:36] Cool - I will check it out tomorrow [05:34:52] I'm not really sure what we'll be doing for it, but it's part of ScaleConf. [05:35:35] oh ok. Since Patrick left, we'd like to get someone here who has some idea of what Vumi is about. [05:35:52] an engineer that is [05:36:28] Ah, right. [05:36:58] If you're here around that time, you should definitely come to ScaleConf. [05:37:31] Yes, I think that will work out [05:37:45] The workshop will probably be an introduction to building vumi apps. [05:38:09] Anything you can send me about the Vumi portion would help. Simon thought this would be the day after Scaleconf, so I got the impression that it wasn't officially a part of the conference [05:38:46] The conference is two days of talks and a day of workshops. [05:38:54] ok [05:40:14] We're just getting our travel plans set up now. But we're planning to be in Capetown for that workshop as well as a visit [05:40:52] How long are you going to be here? [05:42:08] I'll be leaving around the 6th to stop in Jo-berg and go on to Kenya for about a week then to Capetown for the next week (ending with the Scaleconf) [05:42:58] I'll send you the exact timing when the plans are a little more final [05:43:45] Looks like ScaleConf is sold out (for the conference parts, anyway), but I'm sure if you email the organisers they can make a plan of some kind. [05:44:01] ok thanks I'll see what I can do [05:44:16] Well I need to wrap up and get some sleep - been working since I got up - just did a test with Moscow with approx 12 hr time difference [05:44:49] And I need to get out of bed and start hunting down my breakfast. [05:44:52] Sleep well! [05:44:56] haha - yes [05:45:29] ok cool - look forward to seeing you in April! [05:45:34] ttfn [05:45:38] Likewise. [10:36:07] [android-commons] yuvipanda force-pushed beta from 44ee682 to d2b2f10: http://git.io/tUPHIg [10:36:07] android-commons/beta c5ac165 YuviPanda: Cleanup Imports [10:36:07] android-commons/beta d2b2f10 YuviPanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [10:37:59] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #137: FAILURE in 1 min 52 sec: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/137/ [10:38:00] * yuvipanda: Show file count in title for multiple uploads [10:38:00] * yuvipanda: Add a persistant 'tag' field to Media [10:38:01] * yuvipanda: Minor additions to the Contribution DOM [10:38:01] * yuvipanda: Refactor the multiple uploads list view into a fragment [10:38:02] * yuvipanda: Do not crash multiple uploads screen on screen rotate [10:38:02] * yuvipanda: Make sequence numbers work for multiple uploads [10:38:03] * yuvipanda: Move UIL Image Display Options building to common method [10:38:03] * s.mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [10:38:04] * yuvipanda: Add editable swipeable multiple upload view [10:38:04] * yuvipanda: Hide menus for upload detail view [10:38:05] * yuvipanda: Avoid overlapping uploads list on multiple uploads activity [10:38:05] * yuvipanda: Hide softkeyboard when leaving uploads list view [10:38:06] * yuvipanda: Prevent random crashes while paging through uploads list [10:38:06] * yuvipanda: Add 'UP' support to Multiple uploads [10:38:07] * yuvipanda: Don't show up view / share actionbar items in edit mode [10:38:07] * yuvipanda: Don't re-request authKey on screen rotates for AuthenticatedActivity [10:38:08] * yuvipanda: Properly check for action being sent [10:44:30] [android-commons] yuvipanda force-pushed beta from d2b2f10 to 22f0d89: http://git.io/tUPHIg [10:44:30] android-commons/beta 22f0d89 YuviPanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [10:44:53] Yippie, build fixed! [10:44:54] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #138: FIXED in 34 sec: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/138/ [10:44:54] yuvipanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [10:49:35] [android-commons] yuvipanda fast-forwarded master from 3fbcb30 to c5ac165: http://git.io/4G5_FA [10:49:55] sweet [10:51:27] rawr [10:52:34] ragesoss: aren't you supposed to be sleeping? :) [10:52:50] nope. [10:53:05] it's 6:52 here. [10:53:38] oh, right. you have babies. [10:54:31] yeah. babies who woke up in the night about five times, too. [10:55:30] aww [15:10:18] New patchset: JGonera; "Fix search input dimensions on non-Webkit browsers" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55073 [15:10:58] New patchset: JGonera; "Fix ugly menu borders in Firefox" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55074 [15:15:44] New review: JGonera; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54813 [15:47:41] ragesoss: we missed an issue. User:null was back for multiple uploads :( [15:47:44] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/6V0_4g [15:47:44] android-commons/master cad50fb YuviPanda: Set user name properly for multiple uploads! [15:48:41] [android-commons] yuvipanda force-pushed beta from 22f0d89 to 4b06e30: http://git.io/tUPHIg [15:48:41] android-commons/beta 4b06e30 YuviPanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [15:49:06] Project Android-Commons (mobile) - Nightly builds build #139: SUCCESS in 37 sec: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/Android-Commons%20(mobile)%20-%20Nightly%20builds/139/ [15:49:06] * yuvipanda: Set user name properly for multiple uploads! [15:49:07] * yuvipanda: Single squashed commit for converting master into beta [16:23:10] hmm mz seems to have marked by user page on wikimediafoundation.org for deletion... [16:23:20] i wonder if he's sending some sort of message [16:24:56] awjr: he's clearly dissapointed with your lack of moustache [16:25:06] hahaha YuviPanda it's coming back though! [16:25:10] partly by popular demand [16:25:36] :D [16:25:39] only partly? :P [16:25:49] yeah, i want it back too :p [16:26:37] :D [16:26:38] nice [16:27:08] awjr: so the app team wants to steal MaxSem for a while for some stuff, and tfinc asked me to poke you [16:27:23] what did you have in mind, YuviPanda? [16:27:35] awjr: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Image_information [16:27:52] awjr: I believe it'll be useful for the web team in the future too, but It is quite essential for the apps [16:28:00] yeah, i think it would [16:28:24] YuviPanda, MaxSem how much time/focus are we talking? [16:29:19] he mentioned 'a couple of weeks' before but that was an off-the cuff remark [16:29:30] and besides, I think this will get pretty hairy, since we're dealing with wikitext [16:29:40] and a very popularly used template with a good number of variants [16:29:59] when do you guys want this done by? [16:30:52] ASAP? :) [16:31:21] we need max for the performance work we'll be doing over the next two weeks [16:31:38] can you wait until 8 april? [16:31:46] to get started in earnest, i mean [16:32:31] hmm, I am sure I can find enough work to push this off till after that [16:33:05] it'll probably also help us write clearer specs :) [16:33:20] awjr: I can wait, awjr. [16:33:27] sehr gut [16:33:29] there's enough things for us to do that isn't blocked by this [16:33:33] YuviPanda: ok cool :) [16:33:44] MaxSem: but can you give me an estimate on how complex this will be? [16:34:00] I'm going to be completely out for all of May, so I'm trying to make sure I leave the Android app in a stable state before I leave. [16:34:46] YuviPanda: i'll make a note as we start planning for our iteration starting 8 April that we won't have focus time from max. in the meantime, of course feel free to work together to tighten up specs, etc. [16:35:16] awjr: okay! [16:35:17] thanks! [16:35:37] * YuviPanda goes away for food [16:36:20] notnarayan: around? [16:36:31] till when will you be? Wanted to talk a bit about some complications in post upload [16:36:31] YuviPanda: tell me [16:36:40] will you still be here in 30 mins? [16:36:45] YuviPanda: i will be [16:36:49] ok [16:36:51] ping me when you are back [16:37:04] notnarayan: did you get notes from maryana / vibha? [16:37:23] YuviPanda: i did, working on them, dint you see them? [16:40:29] New review: awjrichards; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [16:40:37] New patchset: awjrichards; "(mingle #410) Add X-Analytics request/response header handling support" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/52605 [16:50:39] New review: awjrichards; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/54813 [16:58:02] Yuvi: o noes! [16:58:16] are all mine messed up? [17:01:37] ragesoss: yes [17:01:38] :( [17:01:47] I've a fix, wondering if I should put out an update [17:04:40] ragesoss: i'm going to make a couple of other minor fixes and roll out an update today [17:04:58] okay [17:05:40] ragesoss: I'm moving the progress field to be on top of the title, rather than by the side [17:07:27] +1 [17:11:25] YuviPanda: you back? [17:11:37] notnarayan: hey! yes. [17:11:46] did you make any changes to the mockups after yesterday night? [17:12:30] YuviPanda which one [17:12:39] any? [17:13:10] i have, haven't uploaded them to commons yet. incorporating notes that i got last night [17:13:34] okay [17:13:37] ping me when you've done that [17:13:42] notnarayan: there is also a bigger problem [17:13:49] notnarayan: until the file has been completely uploaded we do not know the URL [17:13:52] and hence can not share [17:14:12] YuviPanda: well, thats all right. [17:14:14] that means technically we need to wait for the upload to completely finish before we can share [17:14:28] YuviPanda: i anticipated that. :) [17:14:33] ah, okay [17:14:52] YuviPanda: thats no biggie. :) [17:15:08] interesting to see what solution you've in mind for that [17:15:12] will wait for the mockups [17:15:14] we show share options after upload anyway, which means, once he has entered the title, [17:15:15] * YuviPanda dives back to bugfixing [17:15:21] oh? [17:15:27] * YuviPanda dives back into IRC [17:15:28] yes YuviPanda [17:15:40] so [17:15:41] what can they share if we do not have the URL? [17:16:01] will we have url after he has hit upload? [17:16:10] no [17:16:16] that's my point. [17:16:58] when will we have url then. we are currently forcing a title before he gets to adding a desc and categories. [17:17:58] oh wait, by completely uploaded you mean, desc+categories? [17:18:02] err [17:18:02] no [17:18:11] when the entire data of the photo has been transmitted to the server [17:18:17] and then the server saves it [17:18:21] and responds with some XML to us [17:18:24] only that XML has the URL [17:18:45] this is because that while a lot of times the title *is* the URL, a good number of times the server changes it [17:18:50] for whatever reason [17:18:57] also a lot of times it just rejects it outright [17:18:59] and hence no URL exists [17:19:04] :( [17:19:24] you can look at http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ for the 'error' graph [17:19:49] that's number of images that were rejected by the server for whatevr reason [17:19:59] it doesn't count number of images whose titles were changed by the server [17:20:24] thats a lot of failed uploads [17:21:05] yeah [17:21:22]