[00:02:06] hm, ok [00:02:26] Thank you anyway. [00:02:31] : ) [01:46:26] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Make special pages declare their modules" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56886 [01:46:26] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "RL: Add modules and module styles to page as modules found" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [01:47:49] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Make special pages declare their modules" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56886 [01:48:27] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "RL: Add modules and module styles to page as modules found" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [01:51:42] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "RL: Add modules and module styles to page as modules found" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [01:58:49] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "RL: Add modules and module styles to page as modules found" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [02:05:20] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Use OutputPage headElement function to generate head element" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56875 [12:57:37] [Commons-iOS] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/3XxLNA [12:57:37] Commons-iOS/master 9172ac6 Siebrand Mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [12:58:30] Change merged: JGonera; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56350 [12:59:16] [android-commons] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/0tnCZA [12:59:16] android-commons/master 7f34831 Siebrand Mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [13:01:48] [WikipediaMobile] siebrand pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/IXn8Fw [13:01:48] WikipediaMobile/master 13b7a81 Siebrand Mazeland: Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [13:14:19] hey MaxSem, you there? [13:14:26] of course [13:14:55] I just pulled from master and it doesn't work for me... "Go more ResourceLoader native for head scripts and styles" makes MobileFrontend a 0-byte blank page for me [13:15:16] update core [13:15:18] is it ok on your instance? [13:15:20] oh [13:15:45] and btw you really need to output PHp errors;) [13:15:53] it's odd that I didn't get any error, maybe something that makes PHP expldoe and is only in php.log [13:15:58] I do! [13:16:07] error_reporting( E_ALL | E_STRICT ); [13:16:07] ini_set( 'display_errors', 1 ); [13:16:15] let me double check [13:16:17] oh, right [13:16:24] I don't, not on this computer... [13:16:30] [android-commons] yuvipanda pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/R0LHrg [13:16:30] android-commons/master b667bcb YuviPanda: Trim whitespace in one of the messages [13:16:44] no it exploded correctly for me before I updated [13:16:51] with errors galore [13:17:05] yeah, I just forgot to set error reporting here after installing everything [13:17:13] it would explode on my laptop ;) [13:17:16] that's why I prefer setting this stuff explicitly in LocalSettings [13:17:31] hm, not a bad idea, thanks [13:17:55] my setup is so complex that I carry over my working copy between my machines [13:18:16] hm [13:43:13] New review: JGonera; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56886 [13:55:47] New review: JGonera; "(3 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [14:40:45] New patchset: MaxSem; "WIP: [Card 446] Don't vary page HTML on X-Device" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55226 [15:01:02] New review: JGonera; "I don't have Protanopia or Deuteranopia but find it much less readable than previous colors. The con..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56626 [15:17:32] jgonera: around? [15:17:36] jgonera: we are still generating the Month table [15:17:45] jgonera: and there have been no drastic changes to the SQL [15:17:51] will be in 15 minutes [15:18:07] then maybe there's some bug outside of sql [15:18:45] jgonera: yeah, because I see android being reported properly [15:19:08] jgonera: poke when around [16:19:17] YuviPanda, sorry, this turned out to be rather longer [16:19:37] so do you know what might be the reason for those two graphs being identical? [16:19:37] :) [16:19:48] jgonera: no, but i'm logging into stat1 now to check [16:19:53] do you have access to stat1? [16:19:54] ok [16:20:08] jgonera: were you seeing both the SQL things to be the same? [16:20:10] just try running a query for success and error for the same timeframe [16:20:15] yeah, doing it [16:20:17] maybe our logging is messed up [16:20:39] SQL is different, so I'm not sure how's this possible [16:20:50] hmm [16:20:55] you rang? [16:21:05] are you stalking 'logging'? [16:21:15] no, 'messed up' [16:21:28] hahaha [16:21:35] Change merged: JGonera; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56625 [16:22:15] (actually just happened to be glancing through channels) [16:22:20] :) [16:23:12] ori-l, I noticed that the graph for success and errors on our dashboard is identical for Web [16:23:21] which is very unlikely to be real data ;) [16:23:23] what's the dashboard? [16:23:32] er, where's [16:23:37] http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [16:23:42] oh, right [16:25:14] and where's the sql? [16:26:13] jgonera: hmm, 78 success since 29 mar and 17 failures [16:26:17] EL Seems okay [16:26:22] ori-l: gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=analytics/limn-mobile-data.git [16:26:44] that's actually the best news I hoped for, that means that the handshake actually fixed something [16:26:51] ori-l: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=analytics/limn-mobile-data.git;a=tree;f=mobile;h=fab299e251b71b99f0438a62ad86d0673dd57a08;hb=HEAD more like [16:26:53] jgonera: :) [16:26:55] so we just need to find what's wrong with the dashboard [16:27:37] I should have access to stat1 today or tomorrow so if you have other things it can wait [16:28:30] jgonera: http://pastebin.com/PQi5nbj6 [16:28:45] New review: JGonera; "Nothing against this patch, but diff seems to be working really weird anyway. If at least some of th..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56627 [16:28:48] so yeah, it is having an effect, I think :) [16:29:36] wow, that's even better, only 5 errors because people were logged out [16:29:49] thanks for running this query ;) [16:30:40] jgonera: :) it's only from 29th [16:30:43] want me to run it even backwards? [16:30:50] 'further' [16:30:51] not backwards [16:31:01] what's the left join sum(1) as web thing? [16:31:10] hm, I don't remember when we deployed the handshake [16:31:14] jgonera: ^ [16:31:31] I don't think I've written that, have I? [16:31:46] also, dat query... just needs a networking stack to become an operating system [16:31:52] jgonera: you did :P [16:31:54] hehe [16:32:03] let me check [16:32:06] well, run it from inside a terminal session in Emacs... [16:33:16] hm, I have [16:33:27] oh right [16:33:47] ori-l, so what's the question? [16:34:49] nothing, this query surpasseth my comprehension sadly [16:34:57] yeah, mine too, I think [16:35:06] not that my comprehension is anywhere near advanced.. [16:36:34] sum(1) is the same as sum(*) [16:36:58] it's just quicker in some databases, I'm sure about postgres, not sure about mysql [16:37:40] hm, or is it [16:37:53] I'll check the SQL when I can access stat1 [16:38:08] and if SQL is OK, then we'll start investigating more [16:38:36] ori-l, where is the data from NavigationTiming stored? [16:38:44] is it also stat1? [16:39:02] jgonera: the data is all in s1-analytics-slave, we just access it from stat1, I think [16:39:08] technically nothing is stored on stat1. you just need a machine on the cluster to tunnel through [16:39:14] do you have access to fenari? [16:39:50] true, I don't have access to anything because of my laptop burning down and my SSH keys being invalidated [16:40:18] and Daniel needs to verify my identity through a hangout before adding my new key [16:40:20] oh, right. sorry to hear that :/ [16:41:01] anyway, when I have it, where can I find it? is it also EL-based? [16:41:21] yeah, it's in the table "NavigationTiming_5336845" [16:41:25] also in mongo [16:41:41] is mongo on the same host? [16:42:31] no, mongo is on vanadium [16:42:45] ok [16:43:02] jgonera: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EventLogging/MongoDB [16:43:15] probably not, but do we have a dashboard for that or just raw DB data? ;) [16:45:31] just raw db data [16:45:35] ok [16:46:03] so I just need to get my new SSH key added asap ;) [16:46:04] +1 yes :) [16:55:13] awjr, can you make the training in calendar start a bit earlier because we will need to prepare commits? say, 15 minutes [16:55:19] ok, restarting to Windows so maybe hangout won't hang this machine... [16:55:23] sure MaxSem [16:55:43] thanks [16:59:52] having some technical problems - i should be in standup in a minute [17:25:08] New review: Jdlrobson; "Yeh I've noticed this as well - especially with urls. Not sure if there's a better way to use librar..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56627 [17:28:59] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Change diff colors after design input" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56626 [17:28:59] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Add new diff test case for simple insertion" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56627 [17:30:23] New review: Jdlrobson; "I've sent you the email. Vibha and Munaf tested these out so they should be the most optimum for eve..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56626 [17:32:16] mmm, am I right that jslint's "Implied global 'isMobileDevice'" should be STFU'd with /*global isMobileDevice:true */ ? [17:38:54] MaxSem: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/56875/2 < did you get a chance to test that out? [17:39:15] MaxSem: you can edit jshintrc but it's bad practice to introduce globals in js [17:39:20] what introduces isMobileDevice ? [17:39:31] the startup module [17:39:43] that's how it's made [17:40:36] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "WIP: [Card 446] Don't vary page HTML on X-Device" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55226 [17:40:53] the core startup module? [17:41:55] yup [17:42:19] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/55446/ [17:42:28] New review: Jdlrobson; "(3 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [17:42:52] impressed you are doing js ;-) [17:43:52] doesn't mean I ain't hate it:) [17:44:29] i need to familiarize myself with this code [17:44:37] but it seems you can solve the problem by wrapping in a closure [17:45:14] (function(){ alert('something'); /* code goes here */ })(); [17:50:41] ok MaxSem so I'm familiar with how the startup module works now [17:51:25] Some of the regexs scare me - '240x240' for instance [17:51:58] i'd rather we started with ones we know don't work and add new ones as problems get reported [17:52:00] they've successfully worked in production for ages [17:52:25] jdlrobson: poke brion to come on irc if you see him? [17:52:38] YuviPanda: he's with monte [17:52:44] ah ok [17:52:51] MaxSem: yeh but I'd worry we'd kill the desktop experience for some people in process [17:53:08] we won't, I have tests [17:53:25] how do you imagine a breakage? [17:53:51] if they have a suspicious user-agent, they get redirectd to the mobile site [17:54:18] can we not have a whitelist instead [17:54:32] these regexes are taken from Squid ACLs for a reason;) [17:54:47] whitelist of what? [17:54:56] do we have the original squid ACL or are we just speculating? [17:55:04] I do [17:55:20] I personally copied these regexes from it [17:55:34] i really wish those squid confs were in git [17:55:50] er puppetized i mean [17:55:56] New review: Nikerabbit; "As an outsider this commit message leaves me puzzled." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56459 [17:56:49] New review: MaxSem; "It is merged with the main iPhone device type;)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56459 [18:02:03] hey brion [18:02:04] got my email [18:02:05] ? [18:02:27] not yet been showing monte around [18:02:55] yeah i figured we're skipping the syncup [18:03:14] brion: okay :) [18:04:08] jdlrobson, re https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/56875/2 [18:04:37] MaxSem: yup? [18:04:41] so you know yourself that you can't vary on device [18:07:00] New review: Jdlrobson; "Well going forward I believe we should match the desktop id's and classes. If these are inconsistent..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56324 [18:07:35] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Rename #mw-mf-search to #searchInput" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56324 [18:07:39] New patchset: JGonera; "Add missing dependency" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56943 [18:09:12] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Bring watchlist css/html markup closer to desktop" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56515 [18:09:51] Maryana, we have qa today? [18:10:02] New review: Jdlrobson; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56515 [18:10:33] jgonera, i think so. jcmish, is the stuff that's ready for testing on staging yet? [18:10:57] or beta now? [18:11:18] Change merged: Jdlrobson; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56943 [18:12:43] jcmish, is the stuff that's in the ready for testing column on staging/beta? [18:12:50] Maryana: Off Topic, the story of jdlrobson's lost slippers is totally true. rmoen|afk or tfinc can verify :) [18:13:00] wow, I see a tfinc but I guess that's just his bouncer? [18:13:09] Maryana: looking now [18:13:18] jcmish: you pinged me y'day? [18:13:20] or was that friday? [18:13:34] YuviPanda: that was friday [18:13:40] and now I don't remember why :) [18:13:47] :D [18:13:47] so it probably wasn't important [18:14:01] hehe :D [18:14:21] jcmish: perhaps the android testflight link? [18:14:29] oh yeah! [18:14:34] that was it [18:14:37] then I emailed it :D [18:14:48] Did you already know about it? [18:16:07] Maryana: I'm not sure [18:16:13] need to ask jdlrobson and jgonera [18:16:26] should we bump back the qa/design mtg then? [18:16:35] #wikimedia [18:16:43] New review: Jdlrobson; "Note that mobile-legacy will become redundant when Max's work is finished on https://gerrit.wikimedi..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [18:16:44] * mark_ is embarassed [18:16:53] * mark_ typed in the wrong window [18:16:58] yeah being off Friday threw my day off [18:17:01] no worries, mark_ :) [18:17:03] let's do it early tomorrow [18:17:10] okey doke [18:17:16] what's your day look like tomorrow Maryana ? [18:17:23] thanks Maryana [18:17:51] jcmish, i have meetings from 9 to 10:30, so it would have to be 10:30 or later [18:18:42] MaxSem: another way at looking at the startup module - is that anyway we could vary it on X-Device and simply leave it blank if the device doesn't support jQuery ? [18:18:53] MaxSem, and more appropriate :) [18:19:03] 10:45 :) [18:19:09] Changing it now [18:19:16] jdlrobson, overriding the core sounds scary [18:19:19] anyway, do you think we should have a dedicated machine for zero portal? [18:19:26] no [18:19:39] take a look how www.*.org portals are made [18:19:54] MaxSem, could you give an example? [18:20:41] operations/mediawiki-config/docroot/www.wikipedia.org [18:20:58] and relevant stuff in operations/apache-config [18:21:12] k, thanks jcmish! [18:21:46] yurik, these portals are served by every apache [18:22:25] MaxSem, is that a part of puppet GIT repo? [18:22:40] yes [18:23:32] jcmish: no i didn't :) [18:23:42] jcmish: i'll look into it :) [18:23:43] thanks [18:23:48] YuviPanda: WOOHOO [18:23:54] I'm glad to show you something new :D [18:23:55] awjr, I'm not sure who should I ask to add this SSH key if Daniel is not around [18:24:04] I can help ya get it up and running too! [18:24:26] MaxSem, i must be blind, which file is that config in? [18:24:44] what's adam's irc name? [18:24:44] yurik: ^ ? [18:24:47] dr0ptp4kt, [18:24:56] thankx :) [18:25:02] dr0ptp4kt: ok good news is i can now replicate it locally [18:25:04] dr-something :) [18:25:06] yurik, apache? operations/apache-config [18:25:07] jgonera: good question, try RobH or Ryan_Lane [18:25:07] gonna try and work out what's going on [18:25:16] www.wikipedia.org.conf [18:25:50] jcmish: :) [18:25:55] jcmish: for android the current testing sortof works fine [18:26:01] jcmish: which is just me pushing to market every week :P [18:26:18] yeah but it'll be nice to not have to do anything else :D [18:26:27] take something off your plate [18:27:01] :D [18:27:03] yeah [18:30:39] THERE"S NOT ENOUGH COLOURS! [18:30:52] * jdlrobson debugging by body { color: X; } [18:31:05] yeah, my whole IRC screen is mostly beige and black, with a few yellow smilies [18:31:25] i say every person should get their own color [18:32:00] awjr: dumb question... is there a reason [18:32:16] when you go into mingle it starts at that home screen [18:32:21] with Analytics? [18:32:26] oh, i dont know what that's about [18:32:41] it's really annoying thoug [18:32:54] i can ask james alexander who i think has been maintaining the mingle setup [18:33:12] yurik, found it? [18:33:41] MaxSem, i found www.wikipedia.conf in operations/apache-config project [18:33:49] yup [18:33:50] (was looking through the pupet git repo) [18:33:56] awjr: hehe I hate to be bitchy I just thought about it again and thought I'd ask :D [18:33:57] that's why the confusion [18:34:14] we've got a lot of repos:) [18:34:32] jcmish: i poked around a bit and i dont see any particular settings to allow you to get around that [18:34:33] yeah, i thought all config was in one "pupet" [18:34:45] :-) awjr that's okay [18:34:48] jcmish: personall though i just bookmarked https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/mobile [18:34:52] I can suck it up just thought I'd ask [18:34:57] k will do [18:35:41] running to grab a bite [18:35:41] back in a bit [18:36:00] @embed is broken in ResourceLoader :( [18:38:14] ^ dr0ptp4kt appears to be a core bug [18:57:24] New patchset: JGonera; "Refactor the way we run mobile JavaScript tests" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50442 [18:58:02] jdlrobson, can you check if this occasionally segfaults phantomjs for you when doing make qunit? ^ [18:58:36] if not, I'll assume it might be my 1GB of RAM [19:00:09] sure 1s [19:00:52] MaxSem, i have been digging through the wwwi.wikipedia.conf - is that file in prod? [19:01:01] yes [19:01:07] i mean, the ^/$ is redirected to extract2.php, which i can't fine [19:01:09] find [19:02:02] MaxSem, line 15 [19:02:03] [22:20:42] operations/mediawiki-config/docroot/www.wikipedia.org [19:04:22] MaxSem, not sure what you mean - I'm looking at gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/operations/apache-config [19:04:37] file www.wikipedia.conf [19:04:50] I was referring to operations/mediawiki-config repo, sorry [19:06:50] cloning... someday i really hope we can get rid of all the complexity... (wishful thinking) [19:07:28] nah, it's all very clearly factored to different repos [19:07:46] you can't keeep puppet manifests and MW config in the same repo [19:08:03] first of all, because puppet is ops-only to merge [19:08:11] do we have a doc describing the overall structure of the repos and what gets connected to what and how? [19:08:35] not that I've heard of [19:08:40] heh :( [19:09:08] ok, i got that repo, and extract2.php is weird - it contains its own name [19:09:57] but is there something specific i should take a look at? [19:10:08] btw, if you want, we could do a short hangout [19:11:09] sure [19:11:10] one sec [19:13:17] yurik, skype? [19:13:43] MaxSem, had to grab a webcam, sure, that works [19:14:04] MaxSemenik [19:15:53] sorry, laptop is running slow, sec [19:16:02] i miss my desktop :) [19:16:39] oh, its installing webcam, that's why [19:16:53] they've not given you a казённый laptop? [19:18:04] i'm getting one soon [19:18:13] haven't heard "kazyonny" in ages :) [19:19:09] grrr, now skype is updating... next time -- google hangout. No more bloatware [19:21:24] MaxSem, added [19:32:04] New review: awjrichards; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55226 [19:42:44] awjr, MaxSem, Maryana do you need anything before I leave? [19:42:51] no [19:42:56] no, jgonera - have a good night [19:43:05] seeya, jgonera :) [19:43:42] I was unable to get anyone from ops to change my key, they had a meeting or possibly still have a meeting [19:43:53] I hope it'll be possible tomorrow [19:44:40] I'm not sure how the verification process looks like, couldn't just Maryana tell Daniel that me = me? [19:45:05] jgonera: they'll probably want to verify over google hangout or something [19:45:25] jgonera: who have you communicated with about it so far? [19:45:39] but how do they verify this? should I print they public key and show it next to me in a webcam? ;) [19:45:48] jgonera: yes [19:45:51] jgonera: or, smoething like that [19:46:04] mutante, jeremyb_ [19:46:15] i dunno how they'd want to do it exactly, jgonera, but that would be my best guess [19:46:21] I tried RyanLane and RobH but they're in a meeting [19:46:36] jgonera: ok i can try to follow up with folks later this afternon to get things taken care of. when will you be around tomorrow? [19:46:45] rob halsell? [19:46:55] Maryana: rob halsell = robh [19:47:02] he's right here… :) [19:47:07] New review: awjrichards; "(2 comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56887 [19:47:41] jgonera, you want me to nudge him? [19:47:42] hm, I was not planning to be earlier than 10am which is 1am PDT [19:48:16] ok jgonera [19:48:34] want to stick around for a few minutes and see if any ops are back from lunch or whatever? apparently robh is there [19:49:56] if you can catch someone tomorrow, just please tell them that I'd like to do that anytime before lunch hours PDT [19:50:12] RobH is not responding on IRC and I got to go [19:50:15] jgonera, i have robh here [19:50:18] i wish gerrit had a nicer way of display dependencies without having to dig into specific changesets [19:50:20] one sec plz! [19:50:23] oh ok [19:50:24] jgonera: Try using EU staff? ;) [19:50:41] I don't know who's in EU [19:50:48] EU staff would be mark (bergsma), paravoid (faidon), apergos (ariel) [19:50:56] and I was pointed first to mutante, later RyanLane and RobH [19:50:59] can't think of who else off the top of my head [19:51:03] jgonera: heyas, [19:51:04] that's it for ops [19:51:09] RobH, hey [19:51:12] so im told by maryana you are you [19:51:20] hurray for meatspace! [19:51:21] which is good enough since she can tell if you arent you [19:51:24] I am, I swear ;) [19:51:27] sooo, lemme pull up your request [19:51:41] 4854 [19:51:58] RobH, it's RT-Ticket: wikimedia #4854 [19:52:04] thx [19:52:11] i was searchin [19:53:41] jgonera: Hrmm, im about to break the rule we just set. since I know what you look like, can we do a hangout real quick? [19:53:44] that way i dont break any rules [19:54:07] if your system can do that now [19:54:29] if it is him, how will you know he's not under duress? [19:54:41] * awjr opens mouth, inserts foot [19:55:00] you could have him just go to .nl or .gr and verify in person [19:55:08] RobH, I have to reboot to Windows, my web cam is really crappy [19:55:09] ooor [19:55:13] I can use my phone [19:55:18] i can call you yes [19:55:43] if i call you, it means i verify its you [19:56:02] wait, but you mean Gtalk call? [19:56:11] nah, meant i would dial your phone [19:56:26] well, my US number doesn't have roaming [19:56:35] and you can't verify me using my Polish number [19:56:41] because you don't know it, right? [19:57:21] Maryana, can you make a video call through gtalk> [19:57:22] ? [19:57:29] OHHHH [19:57:33] jgonera: You have office wiki right? [19:57:39] jorm: just made a good potion [19:57:39] I do [19:57:41] login to office wiki [19:57:44]