[00:18:51] [Commons-iOS] montehurd opened pull request #32: Made tapping add media button cause animation of take and choose picture buttons (master...bug45463) http://git.io/agc7lA [00:38:57] MaxSem: still awake? [00:39:03] yup [00:39:09] though not for long [00:39:13] k [00:39:15] quick q [00:39:26] so with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/56774/2/templates/varnish/bits.inc.vcl.erb we'll need to update the bits URL on mobile requests, yes? [00:40:47] yeah [00:41:08] would we update the config var in efmobileFrontend_Setup() after detecting mobile view or … ? [00:41:47] in wmf-config/mobile.php [00:42:01] with that hook I've introduced [00:42:13] ! [00:42:13] which hook? [00:42:28] oh, the 'are we in mobile mode' hook [00:42:42] ok that makes more sense [00:51:33] New review: awjrichards; "Once this is documented, this is good to merge!" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57060 [00:51:55] bleh [00:52:08] core hooks get merged first;) [00:52:20] ha [00:52:23] really? [00:52:43] actually that makes sense. [00:52:48] im just nervous we'll forget. [00:53:47] New review: awjrichards; "Actually, max pointed out that core hooks get merged before documented on mw.o. So, I'm merging this..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57060 [00:54:24] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57060 [06:40:56] ragesoss: depends on how long it takes mediawiki, though [06:40:58] ragesoss: i'm unsure [11:33:01] Pffft how is zz_YuviPanda still sleeping [11:37:02] Reedy: :P [11:37:11] I'm up early and everything! [11:37:39] On the android commons app.. How is your upload list pulled? [11:40:25] YuviPanda: I've got a few seemingly dead images that are still on commons [11:40:30] And a couple of entries I've nfi what they are [11:40:48] Reedy: hmm, it's pulling from eventlog [11:41:03] Reedy: allimages doesn't do 'original uploader', so we are using eventlog for now [11:41:14] Yeah.. [11:41:19] Reedy: can you give me the nfi entries links? I've heard that before [11:41:20] I've got a JFKN-JFKN-1-1 and JFKN-JFKN-1-2 [11:41:48] Hmm. Seemingly deleted ogg files [11:41:55] yeah, deletions show up [11:41:59] and i'm not filtering by file format [11:42:06] Reedy: there's no easy way to handle deletions [11:42:08] or redirects [11:42:33] Oh [11:42:37] The others ones I failed at naming [11:42:40] And moved [11:42:52] bleufhgjfhfh [11:42:55] Reedy: there's no way for the API to get me 'files i originally uploaded that are undeleted and after renames' [11:43:19] yeah, i see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JFKN-JFKN-1-1.ogg deleted [11:43:24] Beat MaxSem into making one [11:43:49] Reedy: MaxSem is too busy :( [11:44:45] Reedy: there's also a user account creation patch from brion awaiting review [11:44:59] Reedy: there's a bug for this too, let me find it [11:45:15] * YuviPanda wonders if his internet is alright [11:46:19] Reedy: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46318 [11:56:46] morning Yuvi, Reedy [12:01:53] hello ragesoss [12:04:22] is post-upload categorization coming soon? [12:04:40] ragesoss: It's called hotcat [12:04:40] ragesoss: this is what i called 'post upload categorization; [12:04:47] ragesoss: as in it happens right after you upload :) [12:05:43] ragesoss: i'm listing out stuff I should get done before I take the break, and I'm unsure if I'll have post upload categorization there [12:06:00] ragesoss: assorted bugfixes, create account, automated testing would be top of the list [12:06:13] yeah. [12:06:49] ragesoss: also notifying users of errors in a more detailed way [12:07:31] +1 [12:09:13] ragesoss: really need automated testing, I don't want to have this 'omg i hope i didn't break anything' feeling as i push update [12:11:44] totes [12:12:54] automated 'not pointed at testwiki' testing. :p [14:19:52] ragesoss: heh, yes [14:19:58] ragesoss: should point at beta cluster or localwiki [16:33:15] New review: Cmcmahon; "point mobile browser tests to beta labs" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56505 [16:33:16] Change merged: Cmcmahon; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56505 [16:34:22] New review: Cmcmahon; "allow Mobile tests to run on Firefox for debug purposes" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56591 [16:34:22] Change merged: Cmcmahon; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56591 [16:36:53] aude_, around? [16:39:45] New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57054 [16:39:45] Change merged: Cmcmahon; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57054 [17:09:59] brion: around? [17:10:05] yo [17:10:26] brion: :) [17:10:36] brion: we've a meeting scheduled for 11:30, want to just do it over IRC instead? [17:10:51] though I guess we might want to do video on and get mhurd involved too [17:11:01] but we could wait till tfinc gets back [17:11:02] your call [17:11:12] New review: MaxSem; "I don't like the renaming of the class, the MF prefix is non-standard for our classes. Otherwise, lo..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57216 [17:11:37] YuviPanda: yeah let's wait until tfinc is back [17:12:52] bleh, what did I miss? [17:14:41] hey mhurd [17:15:07] hey yuvi! [17:15:51] had my first bug - my last patch doesn't work in landscape [17:16:06] gonna fix now [17:18:00] mhurd: :) [17:18:06] mhurd: what irc client are you using? [17:18:18] colloquy [17:18:30] people are starting to tag the mobile web uploads as 'no source' [17:18:40] ragesoss: hmm? link? [17:18:43] they are likely to end up deleted. [17:18:56] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Small_toddler_sitting_on_toilet.jpg [17:19:32] ragesoss: oh, web uploads lacking {{Information}} [17:19:32] (another that I uploaded got tagged earlier today) [17:19:36] yes. [17:19:48] yeah, I think {{Information}} is important [17:19:58] yep! [17:20:12] ragesoss: you could hand-add it this time [17:20:38] ragesoss: and poke Maryana / jdlrobson when they come back about this :) [17:20:38] I know. I was just pointing out that a whole lot of other web uploads are going to be at risk. [17:20:49] yeah... didn't see them, or would have. [17:20:50] ragesoss: yeah. I don't know what we could do, howver. [17:21:04] smooth talk the community? [17:21:07] ragesoss: there was a spike about adding {{Information}} support for web, but it was scrapped for now for being too technically complex [17:21:17] add the info by bot? [17:21:25] :/ [17:21:42] so, someone needs to do some communication with the Commons community. [17:21:50] yeah [17:22:31] ragesoss: i've a meeting with maryana in about 8 minutes, I'll poke her about it [17:22:38] good good [17:23:10] ragesoss: is someone putting out deletion notices en masse? [17:23:16] yes. [17:23:25] User:XenonX3 [17:23:52] hmm, yes, I think she mentioned something about that just as standup was ending [17:24:06] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:XenonX3#Inappropriate_deletion_tagging [17:24:29] oh, she's their talk page already. [17:24:45] *on [17:24:48] ragesoss: yeah [17:28:53] hey yuvipanda, vibha is stuck in another meeting - can you hold tight for another 20 min or so? [17:29:00] Maryana: sure :) [17:29:02] also, see my latest email to mobile tech [17:29:05] the pitchforks are out [17:29:11] Maryana: i'll get off hangout, can you ping me when you are ready? [17:29:12] (on IRC) [17:29:17] will do [17:29:20] Maryana: thanks [17:29:32] * brion better get some coffee :) [17:31:05] Maryana: should we get brion and mhurd into the syncup too? Or just me? [17:31:41] oh yeah, we have a big apps team now! :) [17:32:07] Maryana: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requestsFile:Special_Handshake_2013-03-27_15-33.jpg#File:Special_Handshake_2013-03-27_15-33.jpg another example :) [17:32:10] sure thing, if they want to attend [17:32:29] jdlrobson, i think the easiest thing to do is to add "created by uploader" to the mobile upload templates [17:32:34] that goes for apps, too [17:32:44] Yes agreed Maryana makes it less obvious [17:32:44] could we just change the template? [17:32:47] yep :) [17:33:02] yuvipanda, can you help us out with your template-fu? [17:33:10] Maryana: apps have been adding templates for a while [17:33:20] ah, but you're not specifying author or source [17:33:24] we do! [17:33:30] where? [17:33:46] we always assume that the user is the author and source is self created work :) [17:33:52] which is true 99% of the time [17:34:01] check how the apps' {{Information}} is populated [17:34:13] let me fish it out [17:34:25] it's not that hard to put one together by string concat yeah :) [17:34:29] oh yeah, i see: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_nous_enfin_le_droit_d_avoir_le_choix.jpeg [17:34:32] in the summary field [17:34:47] |source={{own}} [17:34:47] |author=[[User:Oliver H]] [17:34:48] we need that for mobile web uploads STAT! :D [17:34:50] Maryana: ^ [17:34:56] gotcha [17:35:13] but this will require redeploying, correct? [17:35:19] YuviPanda: save the day! [17:35:43] YuviPanda: can [17:35:44] 't [17:35:49] jdlrobson: you need to implement {{Information}}. There was a spike for this a while back from jgonera, I think it ended with 'let us not do this now' [17:35:53] YuviPanda: can't we just make this the default? [17:36:12] jdlrobson: ah, nope. [17:36:17] in the This photo was uploaded via Mobile Web template? [17:36:28] jdlrobson: ah, don't think so. [17:36:32] why nos? [17:37:08] that seems like a good temporary fix - can't we add |author={{{{$USER}} or something to the mobile upload/web template? [17:37:19] Maryana: no, those should be in the {{Information}} template [17:37:29] agreed [17:37:30] YuviPanda: yes but we need protection for existing photos.. [17:37:32] i'm just saying for now [17:37:36] as a stopgap [17:37:38] jdlrobson: commons policy, afaiu, is that the original author should explicitly do it [17:37:42] they have! [17:37:43] ughh [17:37:48] "I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license:" [17:38:05] Maryana: stopgap would be to get a bot to do {{Information}} tagging [17:38:14] yeh nobody believes for uploads that even though it's apparently good enough for text edits [17:38:16] it irks me [17:38:21] +1 [17:38:29] * jdlrobson sighs and puts his head in his hands [17:38:40] hoooooooo boy [17:38:48] there, there [17:38:53] ok, everything's gonna be ok :) [17:38:54] jdlrobson: wait until they see the photo of you in the ellora cave, and then go 'oooh, but you are in the photo, and hence you can not be the copyright holder! Who is the original author? Can you ask them to send in an OTRS permission form?' [17:39:03] jdlrobson: it'll be alright :) [17:39:09] dfoy, no IP filtering for telcos :) but you got your ranges [17:39:15] YuviPanda: they've already done that [17:39:19] Maryana: i think a bot's the best 'stop gap' solution [17:39:20] it's already survived deletion [17:39:20] jdlrobson: aww [17:39:31] yuvipanda: know of a bot-herder that will do this for us? [17:39:44] haven't they heard of timed photos? [17:40:12] Maryana: legotkm is the one I know. Also, Coren. [17:40:16] but I don't know Coren :) [17:40:17] AWB could handle it. [17:40:22] ragesoss: for all of theM? [17:40:29] odder might be willing. [17:40:34] i know coren [17:40:40] YuviPanda: they are all in the category. [17:40:46] ragesoss: ah, right. [17:40:53] so just load the list of files in the cat, and get the right regex. [17:41:03] hmm, that could work [17:41:09] yeah, that shouldn't be *too* hard, though you'll need to find a way to populate author [17:41:16] which needs uploader name, i'm unsure if awb does that [17:41:18] (haven't used it) [17:41:23] Maryana: awb is windows only, IIRC :) [17:41:30] erghh [17:41:30] yeah, not sure if it does. [17:41:36] I run AWB on linux. [17:41:38] Maryana: and yeah, it might not support this [17:41:40] ragesoss: WINE? [17:41:40] wine FTW. [17:41:49] Maryana is on OS X:P [17:41:51] ok… so bot is our best bet? [17:41:59] Maryana: bot is our easiest bet. [17:42:07] it'll take a short-ish amount of time too [17:42:14] ragesoss: oh, also not all of them have the category [17:42:22] ragesoss: we had this 2 week period in the middle when a category was not being added [17:42:25] orly? [17:42:28] ragesoss: yarly [17:42:35] Maryana: jdlrobson you have to account for that too [17:42:39] you can get a list somehow, though. [17:42:50] I presume. [17:42:56] ragesoss: yeah, there's a mobile edit tag [17:43:02] which is a more 'canonical' list [17:43:07] yuvipanda, true. i'm ok with sacrificing the few to save the many, tho [17:43:25] Maryana: no need to sacrifice, just keep it in mind while telling the bot-runner :) [17:43:48] The problem with using Information templates though is we haven't solved the friendly photo uploads descriptions [17:43:49] jdlrobson: also do resist the temptation to write up the bot yourself in a bit of python and let it run. Bot accounts need community permission, and doing otherwise might get you banned :) [17:44:13] jdlrobson: i suggested a workable solution to jgonera, he said he'll investigate it [17:44:19] * jdlrobson has no interest in writing a bot which seems like a waste of time considering the information is IN the page [17:44:42] I think this deserves an RFC Maryana personally this seems fundamentally broken [17:44:45] jdlrobson: jsut general infiormation :) [17:45:04] i totally agree, jdlrobson [17:45:11] How is added a line "Source: jdlrobson" programmatically useful [17:45:18] * jdlrobson feels like he's in the India school system [17:45:32] jdlrobson: IIRC it is a legal requirement, not a technical one [17:45:37] yuvipanda, what's the bot herder channel? is it #wikipedia-bag? [17:45:43] jdlrobson: because using that template makes it part of the policing system, which is important. [17:45:55] YuviPanda: but if we are doing that programmatically it's not typed by the user [17:45:58] Maryana: I am unaware if there is one. legotkm hangs out in -en and in -commons, which is where i usually find him [17:46:12] jdlrobson: well, you do have a 'i accept this is mine' thing [17:46:23] ok, time to rustle me up some bot herders :) [17:46:28] people rely on the structured form of the information to identify bad images. Obviously it gets done crappily sometimes, with collateral damage like we see here. [17:46:35] The template should be able to pull this data from the page though [17:46:59] jdlrobson: the fundamental problem is that commons is using mediawiki, which is fitting a nuclear bomb into a square hole. [17:47:03] jdlrobson: will be very painful. [17:47:03] this is like the 4 tildes thing - these kind of things really irk me [17:47:09] haha [17:47:14] *tildas [17:47:27] Who's Tilda? [17:47:38] :) [17:48:08] ~ [17:48:18] * jdlrobson can't locate the why mediawiki why meme image :( [17:48:29] o_~ [17:49:00] :D [17:49:15] jdlrobson: the app solves this problem by not surfacing description anywhere ;) [17:49:26] jdlrobson: and this was also why I kept title and description separate. [17:49:37] whoa, big Android spike today! [17:49:45] new version FTW! [17:49:48] really? I saw only 777 [17:49:57] and my connection is so fucked up [17:50:01] nevermind [17:50:01] that reportcard takes ages to load [17:50:02] bleh [17:50:03] web spike [17:50:10] what's that from? [17:50:10] yeah [17:50:11] web spike :) [17:50:19] ragesoss: they pushed out a more visible CTA yesterday [17:50:30] ah. visible when logged out? [17:50:33] was that it? [17:50:47] ragesoss: unsure, Maryana might be better able to fill you in :) [17:51:01] I did notice the "add an image" button even while logged out. [17:51:06] ah yes [17:51:08] while making screenshots for my brochure. [17:51:15] :D [17:51:18] New review: Jdlrobson; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57197 [17:51:22] Maryana: are you finding bot herders somewhere? [17:51:39] jdlrobson: you can get rendered HTML of the commons page and pick the data you want out of it via commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Machine-readable_data [17:51:42] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Uploading_a_shaggy_dog_photo_on_mobile_-_3.png [17:52:04] ragesoss: there's a small spike in android too [17:52:14] but yeah, web has major spike [17:52:15] yuvipanda, yeah, chatting w/legoktm [17:52:20] Maryana: okay [17:52:26] Maryana: where, btw? [17:52:28] yeah, from yesterday. and now 30 day total is over 800. [17:52:54] ragesoss: yup [17:53:22] ragesoss: screenshot of mobile web upload uploaded via app :) [17:53:25] just pm [17:53:38] nice [17:53:46] ah, oay [17:53:48] *okay [17:54:15] hello legoktm [17:54:16] welcome :) [17:54:20] o/ [17:54:28] \o [17:54:38] legoktm: no exam today? [17:54:38] nope :D [17:54:40] not till next week [17:54:46] nice :) [17:54:48] greetings :) [17:54:51] * YuviPanda has a project report to submit tomorrow, bah. [17:55:09] ragesoss: i overlooked the fact that i'm adding {{subst:unc}} even if they have categories. bah [17:55:11] sooo, yeah, i just laid out the sad situation we find ourselves in to legoktm [17:55:43] YuviPanda: isn't that necessary? [17:55:47] they upload before cats are in. [17:55:57] ragesoss: yeah, but what i should do is to remove that when I add cats [17:56:04] yes. [17:56:12] filed a bug though. will fix for next week [17:56:12] 's [17:56:17] [[Category:Uncategorized cat photos]] [17:56:29] best category ever. [17:56:33] Maryana: are you planning on doing an RFC? [17:56:52] cats, plus self-contradiction. [17:56:56] welcome to the internet. [17:56:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_fictional_felines wtf [17:57:07] awjr, so how can I help you with 462? [17:57:15] MaxSem: talk in a bit, in a mtg [17:57:20] sure [17:57:21] brion: I started posting weird-but-sourced wiki articles on my blog, also coming through to planet. [17:57:27] nice [17:57:30] brion: today's was 'toilet related deaths' [17:57:35] hey, no fair. that cat doesn't exist, brion. [17:57:43] brion: tomorrow's is 'puppy pregnancy syndrome' [17:57:47] wiki is a wild place [17:57:51] list of dictionary categories.... [17:57:53] *fictional [17:57:56] wtf autocorrect [17:58:03] yer spoling my jokes [17:58:09] list of fictional dictionaries [17:58:09] haha, list of dictionary categories [17:58:10] yuvipanda, possibly. i just want to make sure we save the mobile uploaders from certain death in the short term first [17:58:19] Maryana: hmm, okay :) [17:59:09] good luck folks -- i'm going to rustle up something in the kitchen, find my glasses, and bang on api account creation until it bends to my will [17:59:19] a short-short term fix might be a little more explicit pressure on XenonX3: we're going to fix this, but for now, please stop tagging the mobile uploads for deletion unless you specifically suspect one. [17:59:23] Maryana: some of these images dont even have {{information}}? https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Eksempel_p%C3%A5_s%C3%B8kemotor_2013-04-03_16-12.jpg&action=edit [17:59:34] from a (WMF) account [17:59:42] legoktm: *none* of them have {{Information}} [17:59:49] o.O [17:59:52] ragesoss, more explicit as nuking him from the orbit?:P [17:59:52] well. [18:00:07] his makes it a bit harder... [18:00:07] MaxSem: well, no. [18:00:07] this* [18:00:12] that might have... repercussions. [18:00:41] legoktm: some of them do not have the tracking category either [18:00:42] DELETE FROM user WHERE user_name='XenonX3'; [18:00:58] YuviPanda: well i cant do much about that... [18:01:08] no repercussions, this operation is p-erfectly indexed and will be executed fast [18:01:12] ah, I guess I didn't appreciate how high up orbit is. [18:01:24] you shouldn't have said anything in a public channel, though. [18:01:37] now if you delete them from the database, someone will probably trace it back to you. [18:01:39] yeah, my sense of humor is failing me [18:02:01] otherwise it could be like 'oh, we don't know why your account disappeared, we'll look into it right away' [18:02:45] legoktm: they were tagged with a revtag, though [18:02:52] revtag? [18:02:55] oh [18:03:01] yeah, don't worry about the ones not in the category, yuvipanda, legoktm - i can find them from the revtags and manually add {{information}} [18:03:08] there aren't that many [18:03:36] all hail Maryana, defender of the uncategorized! [18:04:49] Maryana: do you want to cancel the design syncup to fight this fire? [18:04:50] or? [18:05:05] yuvipanda, yeah just checked w/vibha - can we do it later today? [18:05:15] Maryana: how later? [18:05:40] I just found a file called "You Only Live Once" >.< [18:05:43] oh, boo, that's right. it's like 0 o'clock for you [18:06:06] Maryana: well, I do sleep at 4am :P [18:06:06] so [18:06:14] it's okay, as long as you can give me a time estimate beforehand [18:06:16] Maryana: most have {{Uploaded from Mobile|platform=Web|version=}}, will any of them have a version set? [18:06:20] so I can figure out sleep patterns appropriately [18:06:25] legoktm: they won't [18:06:29] would 12 our time work? [18:06:34] Maryana: splendid [18:06:40] thank you!! [18:06:51] legoktm - we thought about including the author/source stuff in there [18:07:00] in that extra param [18:07:08] not sure if that meets commons stringent guidelines, tho [18:07:11] legoktm: also, that template is used for platform=Android / platform=iOS as well. Those have proper {{Information}}, however. [18:07:24] Maryana: we can't actually do that, hough. [18:07:40] Maryana: since author needs to be the author's username, IIRC, and we can't programatically obtain that in templates [18:07:47] hmm, might be possible via Lua, though - I haven't looked [18:07:58] blah, right [18:09:05] well, worst-case scenario - i drink a lot of coffee and stay up all night tagging mobile uploads by hand [18:09:23] … and then spend 5 minutes every hour tagging new uploads :) [18:09:26] for the next week [18:09:30] just call me maryanabot [18:10:14] :P [18:10:39] hehe, not too loudly, Maryanabot, or someone on Commons will try to ban you for being an unauthorized bot [18:10:39] can i assume that they're all going to be tagged as {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0}} ? [18:10:45] legoktm: yup [18:10:51] oh great [18:11:05] jdlrobson: can you confirm ^ [18:13:36] * YuviPanda wonders if his IRC connection is still active [18:24:07] MaxSem: I just read Mark's response on the ops-l thread about cache control headers for mobile varnish, which clears things up for me. I don't think I need any help at the moment, but I'll letcha know if i do [18:25:39] ok [18:42:45] * StabbyPanda stabs self [18:42:50] * StabbyPanda stabs internet [18:44:28] :( [18:47:23] brion: are you in the office? [18:47:31] home today [18:47:39] brion: ok [18:47:54] brion: are you going to join us for the design retrospective? [18:47:54] need someone poked? [18:47:58] with vibha and maryana? [18:48:03]