[00:11:38] hey brion i got the not-rotate stuff finished - had to delegate the "shouldAutorotate" method's decision from the root nav controller to the top-most view controller. nice as now any presently visible view controller can easily make a rotation decision in the future if needed [00:17:19] New review: awjrichards; "LGTM and tested locally with imported templates from Commons. Code looks OK but would like at least ..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57434 [00:36:32] [Commons-iOS] montehurd opened pull request #33: Animate the take and choose picture buttons to and from their locations. (master...bug45463) http://git.io/OOf_5g [03:30:32] New patchset: Yuvipanda; "Rewrite commons description as template, use Information template" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57434 [03:31:43] New review: Yuvipanda; "lgtm, made minor fixes to the template for consistency with how it is generally used." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57434 [07:02:59] New review: MaxSem; "After further thinking, the class name should match the module name: MobileDeviceDetectResourceLoade..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/56703 [08:12:11] yurik, do you ever sleep? [08:17:44] MaxSem, yeah, on ocasion [08:18:01] what's wrong with PHP namespaces? [08:18:08] Syntax! [08:18:09] (i haven't used them much yet, just know they are there) [08:18:11] lol [08:18:14] is that all? [08:18:17] IT HURTS MY EYES [08:18:37] you should be explicit in your emails when you critisize them, i thought it was something much more substantial [08:18:44] spacing in PHP hurt my eyes even more [08:18:50] (in our MW php) [08:19:12] spacingg is something you can live with [08:19:34] but when you see Winwows paths in your code you rick shits [08:19:44] *brick shits [08:20:10] i think you mean shit bricks [08:21:00] no, shitting bricks is too mild [08:21:49] i'm soooo not getting into the semantics of this [08:35:49] mumble mumble PHP is a crime against humanity [08:38:40] StabbyPanda, nah, we already covered that topic [08:39:21] and i still think you should be named pandamonium [08:41:51] suggestions as to what use instead of PHP? [08:42:06] node.js? [08:42:16] bingo! [08:42:18] (i haven't used it, just heard semi-positive) [08:42:21] it's even worse [08:42:26] Well, at that point I guess it was PHP or Perl [08:42:38] but I guess if we were starting right now, we'd be either Python or Ruby [08:42:46] meh [08:42:57] Python's OOP is a joke [08:42:59] not really, even c# was already there, albeit a bit crooked :) [08:43:22] PHP is a joke [08:43:31] RUST is the way! [08:43:38] and Ruby's gem dependency system is FUBAR [08:43:48] (according to mozilla) [08:44:12] StabbyPanda, but PHP's OOP is borrowed from Java and is relatively nice [08:44:21] Java and Nice in the same word? [08:44:39] * yurik pukes bricked shits [08:44:41] (at least for my irreversibly damaged by C++/C# brains) [08:44:41] MaxSem: Python's OOP is more than good enough to do what you would want [08:45:12] C# is awesome! [08:45:16] post 3.x at least [08:45:22] StabbyPanda, selfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfselfself [08:45:35] welcome to Python! [08:45:36] didn't we have this talk a few days back? [08:45:47] did we? [08:45:57] we didn't if i wasn't present [08:46:37] MaxSem: better than Javascript's implicit self [08:47:12] var that = this; [08:47:16] welcome to Javascript! [08:47:40] ok, I think we all agree that the best language ATM is C#, with occasional Managed C++ DLLs [08:47:47] * yurik hides [08:48:13] C# is awesome indeed but .NET has turned into J2ME hell of its own [08:49:08] every complex system tends to overbloat with versions. See DOS -- 3.3 was awesome, and it all went downhill from there, ending in Windows ME [08:49:17] horrible! [08:49:43] they had to rewrite from scratch -- NT [08:49:57] ...and ended up with Vista [08:50:08] Nah, that was a detour [08:50:12] Win7 rulez [08:50:21] ...unlike 8 [08:50:33] (as I heard:P) [08:50:47] MS is on one off cycle - one good, one bad [08:51:36] 3.5 - bleh, 4 - okish (they had 6+ service packs, so hard to count), 2000 meh, XP ok, Vista - bleh, 7 - good, 8 - bleh [08:52:42] was there a NT 3.1? [09:03:00] MaxSem, yeah, actually there was 3.1, which was crap, and 3.5, which was actually more or less usable [09:03:36] or i shouldn't say that - i started using 4 [09:04:04] is there a good IRC client for macs? [09:04:13] need to use it on my loner [09:08:23] what, did you betray Windows? [09:09:02] need to buy a laptop [09:09:05] not sure which yet [09:09:25] need to go to s affrica for a trip, and my old lenovo has 40min bat life :) [09:09:46] XPS13 Dev Edition [09:10:11] not a big fan of dells tell you the truth [09:10:16] have tehy improved much? [09:14:15] it's a 100% open source ultrabook [09:19:10] MaxSem, philosophy is fun, but i need to be productive too ;) [14:55:11] New review: MaxSem; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57434 [16:03:55] legoktm: I don't know how many images it affect (probably very very few), but your bot didn't handle uploads that had been manually updated with {{information}} already. [16:04:13] didn't handle *well* [16:04:31] It nested {{information}} inside {{information}} [16:04:43] (just in case you're going to run in again in the future) [16:41:58] New review: Brion VIBBER; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57434 [16:46:15] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Works as expected on my local test instance. Let's +2 this!" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57434 [16:46:15] Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57434 [16:49:40] New review: Jdlrobson; "probably want to use padding right as nothing is clearing this float. Also you'll need to edit the l..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57432 [16:58:21] * brion gonna watch the Facebook mobile announcement, see if there's anything cool [17:02:03] New patchset: MaxSem; "Rewrite commons description as template, use Information template" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (production) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57525 [17:02:51] MaxSem: ??? ^ [17:03:04] preparation to deploymet;) [17:03:14] OH [17:03:17] branch: productin [17:03:27] * awjr goes for more coffee [17:03:42] \o/ [17:04:02] MaxSem: i was just doing the same thing - should i just start assuming you'll handle the deployments unless you tell me otherwise? [17:04:10] sure [17:04:15] cool :) [17:07:12] hey awjr [17:07:17] whattup YuviPanda [17:07:34] can you point me to where the config variables are for MF? [17:08:13] operations/mediawiki-config.git [17:08:26] YuviPanda: actually - did you mean in production, or in general? [17:09:08] if production, checkout that mediawiki-config repo, and look in wmf-config/mobile.php [17:09:20] most of the config vars are controlled by settings in wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php [17:09:24] by ultimately set in mobile.php [17:09:39] s/by/but [17:12:03] awjr: okay, at my current speeds a checkout is going to take forever :( [17:12:19] YuviPanda: what are you looking for specifically? you could also use gitweb [17:12:25] awjr: can you add {{subst:unc}} to wgMFPhotoUploadAppendToDesc [17:12:25] or i could just find it for you :) [17:12:44] what does that do, YuviPanda? [17:12:46] * brion stabs mark zuckerberg with a wtf-bat [17:12:56] ruhroh [17:13:01] awjr: it adds it to the backlog for images needing categorization [17:13:01] what did he do this time brion? [17:13:15] YuviPanda: ok gimme a few minutes [17:13:22] if i'm understanding correctly, the new 'Facebook home' for android is just the least space-efficient Facebook news reader possible [17:13:59] >_< [17:14:07] but it runs on your lock screen! [17:14:28] lol [17:14:29] yay? [17:14:56] YuviPanda: were you hoping for that config change to happen during today's deployment? [17:15:03] awjr: yes, I am :) [17:15:06] k [17:20:05] YuviPanda: like this - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57528/ ? [17:20:48] awjr: \n between those? :) [17:20:50] lgtm otherwise [17:20:53] awjr: and thanks :) [17:20:57] np YuviPanda [17:21:06] awjr: I just figured I should get a little bit more involved with some of the commons stuff [17:21:34] YuviPanda: totally :) does Maryana know about that change? [17:21:45] awjr: I'll mail out now [17:22:03] the app has been doing this for a while, and it's been appreciated by the commons folks [17:22:41] ok cool - i just want to make sure she knows before that goes out [17:28:53] so…. Facebook home has a lock screen/home screen, and an overlay for chat that sits on top of your other apps. eh, i'm not that impressed. might play with it though [17:29:40] what should i know about, yuvipanda? [17:29:53] Maryana: hello! [17:30:00] just typing out an email [17:30:11] ah, k - no worries, don't let me stop you [17:30:19] Maryana: but, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57528/ adds all mobile uploads to the 'images needing categories' backlog in commons [17:30:31] oh, nice! [17:30:33] tiny change, but it's been in the apps and the communtiy appreciates it [17:30:42] yeah, definitely [17:30:59] and it prevents new users from getting their first talk page message from a bot that yells at them to add categories to their upload :) [17:31:13] thanks, yuvipanda [17:31:14] Maryana: yes, that too :) [17:34:20] YuviPanda: it looks like a new line will get added a literal \n [17:34:48] awjr: ? [17:34:49] oh [17:34:49] damn [17:35:14] im not sure why, perhaps because of how the template works [17:35:21] (internal template, not wiki template) [17:35:26] awjr: is that because of single quotes vs double quotes? [17:35:37] no YuviPanda, i've tried with both in my local config [17:35:42] bleh. [17:35:50] im glad i dbl checked :p [17:35:53] i think that's okay awjr, but let me confirm [17:35:56] :D [17:35:58] woah - check out the second graph from the top: http://toolserver.org/~dartar/reg2/ [17:36:19] that looks like a legitimate hockey stick. [17:36:41] that is wild. [17:37:15] :) [17:37:53] awjr: I just verified, it's okay to not have a newline [17:37:59] cool YuviPanda [17:38:06] doesn't mess up the layout, etc [17:38:12] good [17:38:15] so https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57528/1 is ok as-is? [17:38:43] we should file a bug that \n is being handled to literally [17:38:45] *too [17:38:57] awjr: yup, i'll add a +1 [17:39:03] gr00vy [17:39:15] MaxSem: can we get https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57528/1 deployed today as well? [17:39:52] yeah, I already added it to my list [17:39:57] also, miracle of miracles, the commons patroller who tagged all those files is actually being nice(ish) to me [17:40:13] awesome MaxSem [17:40:17] yay Maryana! [17:41:02] goal for Q4: at least 10 smiley faces from commons patrollers [17:41:09] 1 down, 9 to go [17:41:13] :D [17:45:37] hehehe [17:51:07] YuviPanda: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46897 [17:51:19] * YuviPanda clicks [17:51:32] sweet, thanks awjr [17:51:40] np YuviPanda [18:12:34] gawd i just saw "Departure Arthur Richards" - I keep thinking everyones leaving because of ryan's choice of email subject :) [18:12:49] Noooooo [18:13:05] jdlrobson, heh me too:))))))) [18:14:56] dr0ptp4kt: yurik - i can't seem to get zero working on a local instance right now [18:15:20] jdlrobson, its ok, noone can [18:15:29] what's the issue? :) [18:15:29] jdlrobson, did you set X-Carrier? [18:15:36] I got it to work once. Mostly [18:15:53] brion_, then it collapsed after 5 minutes? [18:16:12] yeh MaxSem in htaccess - RequestHeader set X-CARRIER "Orange Ivory Coast" [18:16:14] you guys are gonna make me make it work, aren't you? [18:16:31] yurik: i've enabled it and just want to see a banner [18:16:52] &renderZeroRatedBanner=true has no effect [18:16:53] does it show the red banner? [18:17:15] jdlrobson, there is a very weird local settings on the labs instance, that somehow makes it all work [18:17:23] i will have to figure out all the settings there :) [18:17:32] yurik: no banner at all [18:17:46] did we break something? [18:17:52] hope not [18:18:20] jdlrobson, i need to set up my own instance to get a better handle on all localsettings [18:18:36] hopefully i will have it in a few hours, will tell you what i get [18:19:02] ok cool [18:19:07] very confused.. used to work fine for me [18:21:43] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Also double-check how this looks in Arabic... :)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57432 [18:22:39] yurik: mm it's not showing as an installed extension.. [18:22:45] Maryana: your last edit to commons vp was as 'mobiletesttest' :) [18:22:46] that's probably why.. [18:22:48] (assuming it is you) [18:22:50] i know [18:22:51] haha [18:22:53] just realized [18:23:02] whoops :) [18:23:11] yurik: me stupid ;-) [18:23:15] * YuviPanda has VP on watchlist and email notifications enabled, not always a good idea :) [18:23:32] jdlrobson, that's what I WAS HERE FOR :) [18:23:40] ;-) [18:36:13] nice preso Maryana :) [18:36:18] thx d00d [18:44:35] jdlrobson, awjr, jgonera: can we come to a quick conclusion re class names? [18:44:59] MaxSem, I just started reading the thread on mobile-tech [18:45:11] MaxSem: is this a blocker for something? [18:45:30] for common sense:P [18:46:00] lol [18:46:27] MaxSem: i would love to and awjr yes it is a somewhat blocker as i said in the email :) [18:46:46] let's not let this be a blocker; we can change class names later. [18:47:04] so I'm not quite sure where is the problem in terms of PHP, we don't seem to be using any prefixes in class names, and we use CamelCase which seems to be standard in PHP [18:47:42] oh, we do use the prefix in RL [18:48:08] jgonera, not exactly: it's 1:1:) [18:48:53] well, I wouldn't prefix everything, but ResourceLoaderModule doesn't exactly describe what the class purpose is [18:49:19] \MediaWiki\Extensions\MobileFrontend\TemplateResourceLoaderModule [18:49:42] * MaxSem throws a bucket of holy water at brion_ [18:49:50] It burrrrnnssssss [18:50:06] +1 on TemplateResourceLoaderModule though:) [18:50:23] :) [18:50:35] I actually don't think it's that bad as long as we can alias this long name locally (and yes, I also don't like the backslash) [18:51:39] What's the convention for namespaces in wiki base? Iirc they're the main ext using them so far [18:59:02] brion_, appears to be just one Wikibase NS, shared by 3 their extensions [18:59:30] kinda helps to isolate stuff, but not very "per books" [18:59:49] hungry :( [19:00:00] awjr, I couldn't help myself not to tweak https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57528 :) [19:00:13] and you guys have icecream [19:00:27] * yurik heads out to cry and get icecream [19:01:18] MaxSem: that won't work [19:01:34] do not include the \n character, because it will get added as a literal [19:01:38] even with "" [19:01:47] ? [19:01:51] awjr: \n should be fine in ""… ? [19:02:09] brion i know, i tested this locally though and \n was added as a literal to the description [19:02:16] weird [19:02:23] we'll see:) [19:02:28] MaxSem: Property. Query. 2 [19:03:28] What. Do. You. Mean. [19:04:14] Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (production) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/57525 [19:04:35] oh i am an idiot, brion, MaxSem - i just dbl checked locally and it does indeed work as expected with "" [19:04:45] :D [19:04:46] i must've checked a previous upload when i had '' [19:04:47] \o/ [19:04:58] happens:) [19:05:26] back in a sec [19:08:05] i dont think i should be allowed to do anything until i've had my required coffee intake [19:08:23] thanks for the props, Maryana! and nice presentation. [19:08:34] thank you :) [19:08:50] the commons pushback has begun [19:08:55] not sure how hard it would be, but {{commonscat}} represents a lot of good data for auto-categories. [19:09:10] all right, the config change went live! [19:09:14] woohoo [19:09:15] yeah, i should take a look [19:09:36] Maryana: I was trying to not work today, so missed the meeting for the most part :( [19:09:44] you were just finishing up when I tuned in. [19:09:47] will watch the recording though [19:09:57] yep, it's on the interwebz :) [19:10:33] already? [19:10:35] a whole boatload of recent web upload selfies have been nommed for deletion. [19:10:39] you probably saw that, Maryana. [19:10:51] sigh [19:11:09] is tfinc back? [19:11:18] doesn't seem so [19:11:19] i don't think so, yurik - i haven't seen him [19:11:26] ok, so i guess no 1:12 [19:11:29] oops :) [19:11:30] 1:1 [19:11:35] yurik: should be back in the US now but won't be back in the office til tomorrow (though he may be on later this afternoon) [19:11:48] tfinc, what did you do to the real tfinc? [19:11:50] brb, grabbing food [19:12:01] Maryana_food, grab some for me! [19:12:02] yurik: last i heard was that he was hoping to take care of a few things from home this afternoon assuming travel went OK, etc [19:12:13] heh, will see [19:13:36] ragesoss: jdlrobson ooh, I was looking through web uploads, looks like we have our first actual nsfw image [19:13:53] YuviPanda: already had 2 boss [19:13:57] heh [19:15:08] i have to admit, i don't really notice the CTA when it's at the bottom of the screen; i prefer the CTA at the top [19:15:41] the login cta? [19:15:44] yeah [19:15:50] the MF change is live on testwiki, please test a bit:) [19:16:06] yes sir! [19:17:02] can we upload on testwiki? [19:17:10] or do we have to wait for production? [19:17:13] YuviPanda, jdlrobson: links? [19:17:13] man, we should not display the lead images when the images are broken [19:17:22] we can [19:17:25] Maryana: wait for production i think [19:17:31] ragesoss: pm'd [19:17:51] gah. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hermaphrodite_2013-04-04_14-28.jpg [19:18:27] oh, there it is. the penis we've been waiting for. [19:18:45] yeah, somebody linked to it on the vp discussion [19:18:52] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Missing_author.2Fsource_parameters_on_mobile_uploads:_fix_coming [19:18:57] oh actually, i was able to upload from testwiki [19:18:59] that is new [19:19:04] Maryana: ^ [19:19:13] orly? [19:19:15] right after I write [[Selfie]], I'm writing [[Crotch shot]] [19:20:04] actually im not sure anymore [19:20:34] no [19:20:34] strange [19:20:37] i uploaded a photo from uploads dashboard [19:20:43] but it didn't get uploaded to commons [19:20:45] * YuviPanda does some patrolling on the android app uploads [19:20:55] and the file i uploaded links to Special:Uploads, not to the file page [19:21:21] i don't see it in your contribs, but i did just delete one of your test images from the other day, awjr :) [19:21:29] heh thanks Maryana [19:21:36] yeah, it didnt actually get uplaoded to commons [19:21:40] see ^^^ [19:22:22] oh, there's another mobile web penis, too. [19:22:23] Maryana: have you seen https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Child_running_through_gravity_illusion_room_at_Children%27s_Museum_of_Pittsburgh.gif? [19:22:24] :) [19:22:43] woahhh [19:22:58] Maryana: ragesoss's kid :) There's an android app that records animated gifs [19:23:14] there are like 100, actually. [19:23:17] none any good. [19:23:18] heh [19:23:27] welcome to Google Play. [19:23:29] Maryana: i just uploaded this from testwiki: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_test!_2013-04-04_12-22.png [19:23:30] ragesoss: should https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Darkness.jpeg be kept? [19:23:32] so it DID work [19:23:45] ragesoss, by the time your kids get to college, they're going to be notable as the most photographed people on commons :) [19:23:53] awjr: that's been working for a while. [19:24:07] ragesoss: it didn't really work a minute ago [19:24:10] Maryana: alongside LiAnna's dog. [19:24:29] awjr: that test image now appears in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Media_needing_categories_as_of_4_April_2013 and a bunch of other places, so yay for integrating into commons workflows :) [19:24:34] awjr: I uploaded files via test.m a week or two ago. [19:24:41] didn't realize they were going up on Commons. [19:24:59] if you did it via mobile ragesoss it would've gone to commons [19:25:54] mobile uploads from testwiki has been really flaky for me [19:26:02] yeah. I was trying to test the alpha or beta or something. so I went to test, thinking that wouldn't go to commons. then I got deletions in my watchlist, and I was like waaaaah? [19:26:24] the good news is, the changes ew're trying to deploy seem to work [19:26:28] heh ragesoss [19:26:34] Maryana, so should I push the update? [19:26:45] yeah, we can't really test until we go live [19:26:50] YuviPanda: Darkness should probably get deleted at some point, but it's a big fat meh. [19:27:20] i actually really like the Darkness image. [19:28:15] it really is impressively dark, for an actual photograph. [19:28:28] for all we know, it could be a selfie. [19:28:33] awjr: also, if you want to tag a test image properly, add the template {{Test upload}} [19:28:45] YuviPanda: better to do that, or just delete it? [19:28:57] awjr: if you add the test upload one it'll get deleted at some point [19:29:10] awjr: it also adds in a speedy deletion category for you [19:29:11] ok good to know - because sometimes i get distracted and forget to delete it myself [19:29:19] oh, you've deletion rights? [19:29:23] if so then carry on :) [19:29:23] yes YuviPanda [19:29:31] but like i said, sometimes i forget :p [19:29:31] abyoose! [19:29:40] :) [19:30:56] ragesoss: went through all the app android pics, only needed to tag a few. [19:31:05] ragesoss: that's sad, since that means not many new people are trying it out :( [19:31:24] well, it's not very discoverable yet. [19:31:32] we need to do actual publicity. [19:31:49] done, MaxSem? [19:32:25] ragesoss: yeah, and I don't think we've much plans on that yet [19:33:34] How do you edit a pull request on github? [19:33:44] Or rather, amend a change that's in your PR.. [19:33:53] deployed [19:33:58] Maryana: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/27/sloth-selfie-photo_n_2776228.html [19:34:21] hahaha [19:34:27] YuviPanda: how many installs per day usually? [19:34:37] Reedy: you just add a new commit to the branch [19:34:42] Reedy: and push to the branch [19:34:43] Taa [19:34:48] Reedy: no amending business. [19:34:54] Reedy: GitHub doesn't like force pushes [19:35:11] Reedy: when i checked yesterday we have around 400 active installs [19:35:15] that is people who haven't uninstalled [19:35:32] looks good, MaxSem, jdlrobson, jgonera, YuviPanda: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_test_upload-_--Test_upload--_2013-04-04_12-35.png [19:35:58] awjr: \o/ [19:36:35] awjr, why is date empty? [19:36:39] epic win? [19:36:59] jgonera: it's part of the template but we're not supplying a value for it [19:37:02] ok [19:37:21] we could though [19:37:46] should we now assume that this template will be used in all uploads and try to parse it when showing descriptions in the dashboard? [19:38:08] may have been an oversight, but it wasn't in the story - i presume it's because we wanted to make sure we were hitting the bare minimum requirements for commons [19:38:20] yes [19:38:38] ok [19:38:49] awjr: it's also sortof hard - date is supposed to be date where the image was taken, *not* date image is uploaded [19:39:00] isnt that in the exif? [19:39:20] office wifi, grr [19:39:38] awjr: for most, yes. [19:39:54] mobile uploads looking good! [19:40:13] awjr: there's another template {{According to EXIF data}} to denote that a date is extracted from EXIF [19:40:13] the only bummer is raw templat text in the descriptions on the dashboard [19:40:25] so many templates! [19:40:32]