[13:56:22] hi Yuvi [13:56:35] hey ragesoss [13:56:40] no response at all on commons vp [13:56:42] oh wlel [13:56:44] *well [13:57:03] app spam? [13:59:24] you need to annoy someone to start a dialogue [14:00:29] :) [14:02:41] i do not have an android device.. i should go and do it, really. i need a new phone [14:02:53] i get, i think, an HTC something [14:10:36] moogsi: where do you live? [14:11:57] if you don't have aren't on AT&T or Verizon in the US, probably a Nexus 4 is the best phone you can get for the price. [14:13:28] i am in the UK, i need to ask/look around really [14:14:34] £239/£279 https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb [14:14:37] Both in stock [14:14:43] so you'd have it wednesday/thursday probably [14:22:36] moogsi: yes, get the nexus 4 :) [14:22:38] ragesoss: yeah, nothing at all [14:22:40] ragesoss: i'll ask for a watchlist notice later tody [14:22:42] *today [14:34:06] ooh nice i tohught it would be pricier than that [14:34:22] moogsi: nexus4 is the cheapestbestphone :) [14:34:40] i loves my nexus4 [14:34:42] except if you're in a 3rd world country, in which case you don't really exist [14:34:52] except it's too big and the back is too smooth and it keeps sliding around when i set it down [14:35:08] first world problems: my phone is too big [14:35:14] :P [14:35:15] third world problems: google won't ship a phone to me [14:38:39] my network is really pushing 4G [14:38:40] like _really_ [14:38:53] it's too expensive and i don't want it! [14:39:25] my last phone was LTE, it was quite nice but hspa+ on the nexus4 is good enough [15:01:34] ssoooo am i buying the phone, and buying a sim from somewhere else and insurance from somewhere else? [15:01:42] that's cheapest, right? i'm a cheapskate [15:01:53] unsure how things are in the UK [15:01:57] but that's the thing in here [15:02:33] or should i just get a contact with a provider and end up paying £600 for the phone :l [15:02:43] i was having an argument with my sister to this effect :P [15:03:09] she was like BUT YOU GET A FREE PHONE AT THE END SO IT'S NOT MORE [15:03:11] * moogsi sighs [15:05:13] i'm moving off contract plans, it makes me happy to buy the phone and sim separate \o/ [15:05:36] i *think* i don't have to replace my wife's phone too, it's a CDMA iPhone but should work on GSM too [15:09:50] I've resolved to not get any more subsidized phones. [15:09:57] Looking forward to a Nexus 5 or whatever. [15:11:49] i just know that as *soon* as i do it, i'll just instantly smash my phone into tiny pieces [15:11:58] :) [15:11:59] despite not having lost or broken a phone for like 5 years [15:12:14] i don't know how people break their phones so often [15:12:19] do they keep rocks in their phone pocket? [15:12:19] so i would need insurance [15:12:33] no, me either, it's always inside my jacket [15:12:46] i guess if someone tried to shoot me in the chest... [15:12:59] it is the metal cigarette case of our day [15:13:13] hehe [15:15:04] i guess if i do smash it during the warranty period i'll just get my friend to put a new chassis on it and send it back like I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED [15:15:07] god, i'm scum [15:15:13] i'm the reason the economy is such a mess [15:15:28] my HTC One XL had its backlight die after 7 months. Fortunately, I was able to get it replaced under manufacturer's warranty. [15:15:50] I've not had the greatest experience with HTC build quality. [15:16:20] only htc phone i've owned was my Nexus One [15:16:37] pretty solid machine, just got outdated and can't be upgraded anymore [15:16:37] my first HTC phone, the Incredible, got a crack on the LCD (but not the glass screen / touch digitizer), from basically just me having it my pocket. No serious trauma. [15:16:47] But they said I was out of luck. [15:16:59] :( [15:17:00] They will really take advantage of consumers every way they can. [15:18:10] indeed [15:18:14] perverse incentives i think [15:23:19] breakfast etc. catch y'all in a bit [15:24:19] they must be making a loss on the current nexus stuff [15:24:22] google [15:25:05] just another thing they will lovingly embrace until they are ready to tighten their deathgrip on everything [15:25:41] igooglinati, goog world order etc. [15:26:35] hey YuviPanda [15:26:41] hello MaxSem [15:26:45] moogsi: they're selling it at cost [15:27:20] have you found someone to flip a bit for you? [15:27:49] I did! [15:31:07] New patchset: Zfilipin; "Updated Ruby gems" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59150 [16:00:48] uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh [16:00:56] I hate you ResourceLoader [16:03:28] New patchset: Mgrover; "changed element for searchbox to new name in order to fix automation tests" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59155 [16:23:27] New patchset: MaxSem; "Device-specific styles should be last in the list" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59157 [16:27:08] New review: MaxSem; "@todo: move this stuff to mw.o" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59015 [16:27:40] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59015 [16:30:42] New patchset: Zfilipin; "changed element for searchbox to new name in order to fix automation tests" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59155 [16:33:53] New review: Zfilipin; "master on en.m.wikipedia.org: 7 scenarios (4 failed, 3 passed)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59155 [16:33:54] Change merged: Zfilipin; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59155 [16:36:01] New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 2 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59150 [16:36:02] Change merged: Cmcmahon; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59150 [16:46:02] * awjr waves [16:46:34] yo [16:46:50] how was your weekend MaxSem? [16:47:30] partied on Saturday, worked on Sunday:) [16:47:36] heh [16:47:51] at least you got some party in :) [16:48:09] awjr, your help at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/GeoData,n,z will be muchly appreciated:) [16:48:13] * SickPanda fixed UploadWizard bugs on Friday, then GitHub -> Gerrit bot on sat/sun [16:48:18] awjr: how was your weekend awjr? [16:48:19] cool MaxSem, i'll take a look shortly [16:48:32] actually, i'll take a look after standup, MaxSem [16:52:49] New review: Jdlrobson; "There should be no need at the current time for it to live across different domains. It will save wh..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58641 [17:01:14] jcmish: standup! [17:02:31] i hate google [17:02:33] brion: clearly, Picard :P [17:02:41] restarting my browser :D [17:11:44] jcmish: we're going to keep using the same hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/8bc98160cdf0396821e2ba381099b56fde42cb0c [17:25:21] brion: ping [17:25:28] SickPanda: pong [17:25:31] don't get sick noooo [17:25:53] brion: I'm trying to stay up but might not fully make it to the app showcase [17:26:10] brion: my eyes are burning and I can hear my heart :| Not good, so hopefully I can sleep it off [17:26:14] brion: can you do the demos? :) [17:26:17] sure [17:26:25] thanks [17:26:29] categories, multiple uploads, anything else to show off? [17:26:54] there's a thin 'about' page and a way to turn off tracking [17:27:20] brion: there's also http://stat1001.wikimedia.org/limn-public-data/mobile/datafiles/alltime-numbers.csv which doesn't have any graphs yet, but shows you deletion numbers for app / web [17:27:21] ah nice [17:28:20] brion: that's pretty much it [17:28:28] brion: I'll try to stick around, but even if I am can you do the demos? [17:28:29] ok [17:28:51] brion: thanks :) [17:28:54] :D [17:29:44] brion: actually you should show single upload too. the last one was a *long* time ago [17:30:16] :D [17:40:53] Maryana: ping? [17:41:04] yo sickpanda [17:41:11] Maryana: can you get heather to update https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Heatherawalls/sandbox [17:41:15] why are you working if you're sick? :-P [17:41:30] Maryana: i'm not so sick that I can't fully work :) [17:41:43] Maryana: but I'm sick enough that I'm taking 'lie down' breaks [17:42:06] brion is covering for me in the apps showcase, so it'll be fine, I think [17:42:32] i'm not sure what updates you guys want - the easiest thing to do would prolly just be to leave her a note on the talk page of that page with a bullet list of changes [17:43:02] then i can just ping her and tell her to check her sandbox talk :) [17:43:22] Maryana: ok [17:43:31] Maryana: I just want her to update the image to use the screenshot [17:43:34] than the mockup [17:43:36] Maryana: doing now [17:43:42] sweet, thx [17:44:48] did you also want to remove the last pic from the banner, too? i know both tfinc and brion were saying it might be kind of misleading to suggest that your images go straight from the app to wikipedia [17:45:14] yeah unless we actually add that feature :D [17:45:46] we could ask her to change it to a screencap of the front page of commons with your image as the PoD :D [17:46:09] MaxSem: I think we made a mistake supporting opera mini :) [17:46:10] I made a commons category with a bunch of screenies [17:46:24] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Commons_app I think [17:46:31] opera mini works but is verrrrryyy weird [17:46:34] ah [17:46:35] actually https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Commons_Android_App_Screenshots [17:46:49] jdlrobson: in general or with the $wgMFVaryResources change? [17:46:56] They render link rel="alternative" tags o_O [17:47:03] awjr: this is with the RL change [17:47:13] previously we didn't support it - now we support v7+ [17:47:58] oh :( [17:48:07] jdlrobson, which version? [17:48:43] i was hoping we'd keep the device detection the same as what's currently in prod until we had this change out everywhere [17:52:50] guess my opera mini is not antiquated enough [17:53:24] jdlrobson: can shoot me off a list [17:53:29] of devices [17:55:48] brion: mhurd check the iOS section of http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Mobile_app? [17:56:19] SickPanda: nice!!! [17:56:32] SickPanda: oh we can also accept files shared from other apps, if they support it [17:56:41] brion: add it! :D [17:56:46] will do [17:56:51] I wasn't sure how to do that without being inaccurate [17:56:55] needs examples of such apps [17:57:01] MaxSem: v7 something - very odd [17:57:15] jcmish: currently going through now [17:57:27] the most recent one is 7.5... [17:57:37] my nokia n95 won't turn on. Seem to have brought the Nokia E52 back to life though! \o/ [17:59:22] brion: is there an app meet in 1 min? [17:59:26] or is that switched to tomorrow? [17:59:35] SickPanda: in theory …. i think tfinc is on his way now :D [17:59:39] [Commons-iOS] brion pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/z1_Dzg [17:59:39] Commons-iOS/master 4bc74ba Brion Vibber: Add new message files: fi, ksh, pa, pt-br, te, tr, uk, ur, zh-hant [17:59:40] heh, ok [18:00:59] tfinc: am I in the right hangout? [18:01:49] SickPanda: we see you i think [18:02:23] awjr jcmish annoyingly i can't find the squid logs which were showing our device traffic - do you know the link? [18:02:40] jdlrobson: are you looking for raw logs? [18:02:50] awjr: there was a page somewhere that had a breakdown [18:02:52] so not raw [18:02:57] jdlrobson: :( no sir I do not [18:02:59] i think it's on the reportcard [18:03:05] where's that awjr ? [18:03:10] * jdlrobson can never find these things [18:03:44] jdlrobson: there's http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ and http://stats.wikimedia.org/ [18:03:51] iirc it's actually on stats, not the reportcard [18:04:01] jdlrobson: stat1:/a/squid/archive/mobile [18:04:10] ori-l: \o/ [18:04:22] \o/ is not a valid path [18:04:49] actually, it is [18:04:56] $ mkdir "\o/" [18:05:02] $ ls -la [18:05:10] drwxrwxr-x 2 olivneh wikidev 4096 Apr 15 18:04 \o [18:05:25] it goes from cheering to waving. kind of poignant, really. [18:05:40] ori-l: do you know where the breakdown of mobile browsers is? [18:05:52] i feel like i've seen it on stats.wikimedia.org but i'm not finding it [18:06:10] tfinc: I can't make the showcase [18:06:59] I need to do some stuff for my mom [18:07:06] jcmish: give me 10 minutes and i'll send the mail [18:07:06] did the analytics team produce one? i crunched this for a week's worth of sampled squid logs in dec '12. i still have that, but the numbers have likely shifted since [18:07:15] jdlrobson: sounds good [18:07:50] ori-l: actually if you have that handy, that would still be useful [18:08:49] ori-l: +1 [18:09:52] awjr / jdlrobson - sent [18:10:00] cool! thanks ori-l [18:10:25] iirc Maryana crunched this data? [18:11:44] jcmish: you got mail [18:12:43] was that the browser data or the edit data, ori-l? [18:14:16] ori-l: had a quick look it's the 'other devices' user agents i'm interested in :) [18:18:04] * jdlrobson is having a testing fail. None of the old devices are switching on [18:18:49] jcmish, are you around for the QA/design checkin today? [18:25:10] Maryana: i'll be covering for her [18:25:27] k, cool [18:25:51] brion: can you add a mini agenda to http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MobileShowcase for apps ? [18:26:28] sure can [18:28:01] brion: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/58332/ [18:29:55] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Address nearby FIXME using colimit" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59171 [18:31:04] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "run qunit with debug=true parameter" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59172 [18:31:18] MaxSem awjr can you quickly +2 that small commit - i'd do myself but i guess that's bad ^ [18:31:47] done [18:31:50] jdlrobson, ping for QA/design checkin :) [18:31:52] cant right now jdlrobson, in a mtg [18:31:56] setting up in R34 [18:32:06] Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59172 [18:32:15] thanks MaxSem :D [18:32:28] awjr, https://gist.github.com/MaxSem/5390242 [18:34:08] MaxSem: quick readthrough looks OK, i can take a closer look later [18:36:09] Maryana: http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page [18:37:06] you can't not see "flabs" in that URL [18:38:01] MaxSem: im a little confused about the UA search feature in that script - how will whoever is searching already know what the ID is for a UA? [18:38:29] they visit that page, their UA gets saved and they see the ID [18:38:46] ah, and they tell us the ID? [18:38:55] yep [18:48:18] New review: Brion VIBBER; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58332 [18:48:29] yurik_: dr0ptp4kt : i'm adding you guys to the mobile dept showcase @ noon. just realized that you guys werent on it. drop in if you have the time. [18:48:57] tfinc, thx [18:56:13] jdlrobson, MaxSem: add your stuff to show off! http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MobileShowcase [18:57:53] the biggest user-facing stuff we've done since we last had a showcase (q4 planning mtgs) includes: Special:Handshake, user friendly upload titles, instructing users on original work, page images on watchlist, CN support (though im not sure how we'd show that off), pages images on nearby, author/source infon on uploads, distance on nearby [18:58:58] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Trying this on my local instance in Chrome..." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58332 [18:59:28] awjr, i'm grabbing some lunch w/vibha, so we'll be a few min late for the showcase - don't wait up :) [18:59:53] MaxSem, jdlrobson missing anything from that list? [19:00:29] jdlrobson: also can you walk everyone through that stuff? [19:02:15] heads up 15min delay for the showcase [19:03:04] ops team didnt book the room and they need to run over [19:04:18] jdlrobson: I'll e-mail you my scripts; you can run them against the most recent files on stat1 [19:04:40] tfinc: run over whom? :P [19:04:48] hehe [19:05:09] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Story 394: Show CTA on nearby when no photo" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59175 [19:06:13] awjr: sure thing [19:06:19] \o/ [19:13:11] brion: tfinc can you have mobile web go first? I'm not feeling too good but want to see what they're up to... [19:26:20] ragesoss: moogsi see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Mobile_app [19:26:31] what needs to be added before it can be linked to from watchlist? [19:28:20] MaxSem: it was what to death? [19:28:30] bitrotten [19:28:33] ah [19:28:40] heh [19:28:40] ok [19:28:54] SickPanda: any questions for the webbies? [19:29:00] nah, it's cool [19:31:08] brion: we are counting the number of shares from people via eventlogging :) [19:31:13] SickPanda: since it's just one page for both platforms, you'll burn a lot of attention for iOS users if you do a watchlist notice before iOS app is approved. [19:31:32] SickPanda: but if you have a very explicit notice just about Android, go for it. [19:31:40] ah, right [19:31:41] true [19:32:16] brion: 3 people have opted out so far [19:32:50] brion: no [19:32:57] brion: you need to go to gallery app from outside [19:32:59] brion: and do it [19:33:44] number of tiems brion has said 'we will have to add that to iOS' - 5 so far [19:34:11] jdlrobson, awjr, Maryana_brb: /home/olivneh/user-agents-09-15-april-2013.log contains one user agent per line, representing requests from the 9th to the 15th, sampled at 1:100 [19:34:13] 6! [19:35:10] (i'm guessing that's the sample rate based on the the filename pattern, which is mobile-sampled-100.tsv.log-yyyymmdd.gz) [19:35:24] brion: I made it a lot more predictable :) [19:35:33] SickPanda: anything else to demo? [19:35:52] brion: not really, i think we covered it all [19:35:56] ok [19:45:05] brion: tfinc do you want to show the reportcard? [19:45:53] brion: also curl http://stat1001.wikimedia.org/limn-public-data/mobile/datafiles/alltime-numbers.csv [19:52:53] MaxSem: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/59171/ [19:54:18] jdlrobson, my paranoia says keep the if [19:54:24] awjr: MaxSem yurik_ : how was the a/v for the showcase ? [19:54:31] today we used 2x ClearVoice [19:54:31] great for me, tfinc [19:54:38] quite good [19:54:39] one on each side of the table [19:54:42] excellent [19:54:44] i'll let chip know [19:54:47] they had the 2x clear voice in there last week, it seems to work relly well [19:54:48] MaxSem: haha it will be fine - it's in beta [19:54:58] we should avoid FIXME's [19:55:12] MaxSem: i could add event logging if you really want to be sure [19:55:43] s/\/\/.*$// [19:55:52] mission accomplished;) [19:58:15] awjr, if there are no objections from you, I'll publish that script on TS [19:58:30] MaxSem: lemme take one closer look [19:58:35] one sec.. [19:58:46] thanks [19:58:55] jdlrobson: btw, victor's girlfriend is in boston at the marathon. He just asked her to use mobile web uploader to upload pics [19:59:01] just passing on message from -commons [20:00:12] MaxSem: do you have the schema for the agents table? [20:00:45] create table agents(id integer primary key autoincrement not null, ua text); create unique index idx_ua on agents(ua); [20:01:32] will this still cause the id to increment? INSERT OR REPLACE INTO agents VALUES (NULL, ?) [20:01:54] it will, however I first for precense first;) [20:02:01] *I check [20:02:30] yeah, of the ua [20:03:08] i think this is fine MaxSem, i dont see anything that makes me nervous [20:03:23] cheers [20:03:34] thanks for slapping that together so quick :) [20:04:09] http://toolserver.org/~maxsem/ua.php [20:04:54] 404 [20:05:18] heh, NFS didn't update [20:05:31] now it's a 200 :) [20:05:32] thx [20:05:37] Toolserver is so Toolserver [20:05:43] lol [20:06:07] maybe, put this on staging? [20:06:18] that might be better MaxSem [20:06:20] this takes records from real world UAs, no? [20:06:24] this is timing out for me [20:07:00] dr0ptp4kt, it saves visitors' UAs and gives them reference IDs for reporting [20:07:04] which is less likely to cause problems… labs or toolserver? [20:07:16] s/cause/have [20:07:22] at this point, TS I'm afraid [20:07:55] Firefox says "Waiting for toolserver.org…" [20:08:08] 404 again :) [20:08:23] MaxSem, k, was just going to say be sure to use htmlentities() on the output. i've seen some XSS with UAs. you're probably already doing that, knowing you :) [20:08:36] keke [20:08:37] dr0ptp4kt: https://gist.github.com/MaxSem/5390242 [20:08:37] ^ using htmlentities, not XSS'ing people! :) [20:09:22] yo dawg i heard you like html [20:09:25] is the idea to give people an interface for reporting their UA when they encounter bugs? [20:09:28] so i put some html in your html and now you have an xss [20:09:35] hahaha [20:10:11] LOL [20:10:11] lulz [20:10:22] ori-l: to make it easy for testers to tell us their UA [20:10:27] ori-l, it's so that people don't have to save their UAs on mobile phones when reporting problems [20:10:32] brion: yo dawg, i heard you like security, so i escaped your escapes and now you have & everywhere [20:10:38] hehe [20:10:41] hahaha [20:13:43] ha, i get really good laughs when (non-sql) entities are encoded on the inbound. [20:19:13] here we go: http://staging.wmflabs.org/ua.php [20:20:30] who uses FF/Mac?:P [20:21:13] not it [20:21:29] that's me :D [20:21:32] right, that was chrome [20:21:48] and now i see brion too;) [20:21:56] \o/ [20:34:19] only 4 agents harvested so far - how boring [20:34:37] MaxSem: i'll give you some more [20:36:57] MaxSem: if you want that to be semi-usable on mobile you might want to set a meta viewport :) [20:42:33] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Rewrite search as an overlay" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58332 [20:44:29] brion, done [20:44:42] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Rewrite search as an overlay" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58332 [20:44:47] \o/ [20:44:57] New review: Jdlrobson; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58332 [20:45:01] brion: ^ [20:45:18] \o/ [20:45:22] i'll test momentarily [20:48:04] New review: Jdlrobson; "eek.. is this the only way? I'm assuming there is a naming order thing." [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59157 [20:50:25] jdlrobson, unfortunately there's no other way [20:50:57] all styles get sorted by name and grouped by group [20:51:14] and you can't even add your own group [20:51:25] so [20:51:28] ... [20:51:47] you can't achieve it without tinkering with core. again [20:57:10] well we got pics from Boylston Street within an hour [20:57:39] the uploader was going to use mobile web but of course the first thing that happens in that situation is everyone calls everyone else and you have no signal [20:58:53] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks fine to me, except a double-escaping problem. :)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58332 [20:59:18] you can't really see anything in the pics, just some hazmat guys after the event... but really i don't think i'd have taken any pictures either... i'd be running [21:01:50] ohhhh... AP is saying the cell phone network has been shut down to prevent remote detonations [21:01:51] MaxSem: im having a little trouble grokking https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/51124/1/GeoData.body.php - is the idea that if one of the parts is already fractional, it's an invalid lat or long? [21:04:02] awjr, e.g. 23.4° is valid, 23.4° 5' is not [21:04:21] only the last number can be fractional [21:04:58] wait - do you mean, if there's only one part, it can be fractional? [21:05:45] actually this would work fine if tehre was only one part and it were fractional, or the last part was fractional [21:05:59] is that the idea? [21:06:49] yes [21:06:58] see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/51124/1/tests/ParseCoordTest.php for more examples [21:07:10] yeah that's what im looking through now [21:12:51] i'm planning to reload the apache config for staging-zero.wmflabs.org. anyone have a thumbs up or thumbs down with doing so? trying to override some of the hard X-* headers it's setting for ZeroRatedMobileAccess [21:13:28] if you graceful it, nobody'll even notice:) [21:17:01] alright, "MaxSem told me to do it" :) [21:20:42] thanks, MaxSem, didn't cause a hiccup that i see [21:25:26] awjr: MaxSem what is our cache hit rate on mw.org before we make our x-device change? [21:25:43] dr0ptp4kt: yurik : did you guys find it useful attending the showcase today? [21:25:54] i'd like to involve the zero set of projects in the next one [21:26:05] I don't think that stats are available per-site [21:26:09] tfinc we don't have per project stats [21:26:14] only per-server [21:26:18] tfinc, yes, it was and is good. [21:26:21] tfinc, i didn't attend the showcase - i'm in s africa [21:26:29] awjr: how will you know that the cache hit rate is better/worse ? [21:26:47] but i dont think that's a problem tfinc, the main point of testing on mw.o is not to deteremine if cache hit rate is better/worse, but that our changes don't introduce regressions [21:26:49] dr0ptp4kt: good. then we'll pull you guys into the next one. [21:26:57] tfinc, thx [21:27:05] awjr: sure. but i want us to know what it is when we do deploy to the rest [21:27:05] once we have it deployed everywhere, we can look at whether or not our cache hit rate has improved [21:27:10] do we only have total aggregate now ? [21:27:15] yeah, that's easy tfinc, the answer is in ganglia [21:27:20] k [21:28:19] tfinc, would love some details on what was happening [21:29:05] tfinc to find the ratio, look at one of the mobile varnish boxes in ganglia (eg http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/?c=Mobile%20caches%20eqiad&h=cp1041.eqiad.wmnet&m=cpu_report&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2) and look at cache hits vs client requests [21:30:28]