[20:17:55] YuviPanda: hey yuvi! [20:18:00] ohai mhurd [20:18:06] 'sup [20:18:19] not much, stopped by the office for a bit [20:18:36] hey i've been thinking that the points i raised during the planning meeting, given our rapid release dev cycle, may not have been good points. i was wondering what you think. [20:18:37] mhurd: ah, nice! going to the wiki picnic today? [20:18:49] mhurd: the organizational ones? [20:18:53] mhurd: or the ones about nearby? [20:19:06] both? [20:19:36] picnic? hmmm... [20:19:40] so one thing is that both have kinda backstories and context because of the type of projects we are [20:20:05] when you put out an image, it's not not your image anymore (sortof) but your contribution to commons, for other people to do whatever [20:20:14] so, albums, etc doesn't really make sense in this context. [20:20:40] as for nearby - that I agree we should do (I am here, do people want pictures of places around here?), but after campaigns [20:20:40] makes sense [20:20:53] the problem of finding 'watned images' is rather hard [20:21:02] primarily because Wikipedia != Commons [20:21:09] and English Wikipedia != Wikipedia [20:21:14] haha true [20:21:17] mhurd: so wikidata will solve that problem a fair bit [20:21:34] mhurd: since we can then just ask 'give us all places around which do not have more than 3 pictures of them in commons' [20:21:43] and provided data is complete, we might actually get answers :D [20:21:56] mhurd: so we could / should build that out later, I agree. [20:22:09] mhurd: campaigns are easier than that, because the community can actually be much more directly involved. [20:22:29] mhurd: re: picnic, I know that at least marktraceur and robla were planning on going, perhaps others [20:22:58] YuviPanda: that clears some things up for me! thank you!! [20:23:13] mhurd: :D I encourage you to spend some time on the commons IRC channel (#wikimedia-commons) just listening to stuff [20:23:22] mhurd: and also doing some random work on commons now and then [20:23:30] mhurd: when I started out that helped tremendously :) [20:23:39] will do! [20:23:41] :) [20:25:30] mhurd: I'm spending time trying to write puppet stuff, operations / tool-labs :) fun diversion from Android [20:26:40] YuviPanda: sound interesting! speaking of android, do you have any favorite android dev learning resources you could recommend? [20:26:54] mhurd: oh yes! [20:27:05] Google has this set of 'Training' Docs [20:27:10] which is where I learnt them from :D [20:27:13] and they are quite well done [20:27:22] mhurd: https://developer.android.com/training/index.html [20:27:29] pretty graded, and fairly comprehensive [20:27:49] mhurd: the API guides then let you drill down into more specific features. [20:27:50] YuviPanda: pooh! just what i was looking for [20:27:52] :) [20:27:58] "oooh [20:28:02] not pooh [20:28:06] pesky autocorrect [20:28:07] :D [20:28:15] lol [20:28:21] http://www.vogella.com/articles/Android/article.html is also pretty good, though a tiny bit out of date [20:28:42] mhurd: also, I reccomend *not* using Eclipse - both me and Brion are happy to have gotten rid of it :) [20:28:55] Check out IntelliJ! [20:29:15] YuviPanda: sounds good. that's what studio's based on? [20:29:21] mhurd: IntelliJ :) [20:29:34] mhurd: it essentially rips out the non-Android parts of IntelliJ and adds its own build system [20:29:36] (Gradle) [20:29:48] ah [20:29:51] the new build system is pretty neat - I like it! But it is buggy, so I'm still on IntelliJ [20:30:17] so I still reccomend to people to use IntelliJ. UI, etc is exactly the same (except for some superficial Android branding) [20:30:44] give studio a few release cycles to stabilize. makes sense [20:31:14] mhurd: indeed. I just spent all of yesterday conducting a Workshop on Android for around ~30 people, and we all used Android Studio [20:31:21] mhurd: it was crashy, but still about 1000 times better than Eclipse :) [20:32:12] YuviPanda: awesome! (both about the workshop and the 1000x) [20:32:18] :) [20:32:42] mhurd: looking forward to meeting you in ~2 months time at HK :D [20:33:03] YuviPanda: yes!! [20:33:13] yeah, it'll be a jolly good time :) [20:33:30] YuviPanda: i've never been to HK [20:33:36] me neither! [20:33:43] it's one of the few asian countries that let me come without a visa [20:33:44] so yay [20:33:52] woohoo! [20:34:28] :) [20:34:37] mhurd: are you taking some time off before / after Wikimania? [20:34:53] YuviPanda: 4 days after [20:35:03] ah, okay [20:35:08] I... think I have a week after [20:35:20] YuviPanda: going to visit a friend who will be vacationing in vietnam [20:35:24] ah, nice! [20:35:41] i'm sadly going to be restricted to Hong Kong, because of visa issues :( [20:35:52] but should be fun, it is supposed to be an incredible place :) [20:36:21] YuviPanda: which will be a first visit as well [20:36:30] nice [20:36:35] mhurd: have you travelled outside the US? [20:37:20] just a small amount - once to kazakhstan, once to guadalajara and once to canada [20:38:16] brb [20:39:13] ah ok :) [20:43:19] YuviPanda: i'm back [20:43:33] mhurd: :) [20:43:49] mhurd: kazakhstan sounds like a nice visit [20:43:56] and... I've never heard of guadalajara [20:44:33] * YuviPanda googels [20:45:07] YuviPanda: it's a mexican state - i think that's where the director Guillermo del Toro is from [20:45:11] ah! [20:45:14] nice! [20:46:17] kazakhstan was to visit a friend who got a job at the US embassy. it was very interesting [20:46:41] wooo, did you travel with diplomats? [20:49:08] no, but i had to get a weird "diplomatic note" to get a visa - a formal request from the US government to the KZ government that i be allowed to travel there. at least that's how it was explained to me [20:49:36] mhurd: heh :) [20:49:40] mhurd: that must've been fun :) [20:49:57] it was! have you traveled internationally much? [20:50:36] mhurd: not much, no. Visited the US twice, and Berlin once [20:50:57] august will expand both our horizons! [20:51:06] yay! [20:51:08] mhurd: I do travel some bit inside India, though. I don't really have a 'home base', as such, and roam around the cities, doing workshops / talks and such [20:51:12] 'tis fun! [20:51:23] that's way cool! [20:51:25] there was a 'guess where Yuvi is going to do standup from today' game going on :) [20:51:35] for a while. Will probably start again in a month or so [20:51:44] haha [20:51:51] i want to visit sometime! [20:52:25] mhurd: you should! Come for a longish time! Me, jdlrobson, tfinc and rmoen spent 4 weeks roaming around. It is intense fun! [20:52:42] that's a pretty great idea [20:53:25] mhurd: indeed! You should ask them about it sometime :) I think we all got a lot out of it [20:53:40] YuviPanda: will do! [20:54:11] YuviPanda: we can do android-ios info exchange [20:54:17] indeed! [20:56:37] YuviPanda: gotta run - going to climb here: http://www.touchstoneclimbing.com/dogpatch-boulders [20:56:45] mhurd: have fun! [20:56:57] hmm, that looks sweet :) [20:57:01] YuviPanda: i'll take you there next time you visit [20:57:09] :D +1 [20:57:20] YuviPanda: ttys! [20:57:26] cya