[00:15:58] YuviPanda: why are you still awake?! [00:16:00] YuviPanda: but [00:16:03] code [00:16:09] I need to sleep :| [00:16:13] YuviPanda: tell me more about * Dedicated Community Liason support for Mobile team [00:16:36] tfinc_: someone to do the 'talk to the community folks about it' stuff that I do right now [00:16:50] it'll be doubly important not just for apps, but for web as well (we'll get editing) [00:17:15] tfinc_: it's also important for campaigns, since we'll need someone to keep in touch with the organizers of 'Wiki takes City' type stuff [00:17:18] and also push to have more [00:18:08] tfinc_: also has the nice side effect of preventing pitchforks :) [00:18:49] tfinc_: I didn't mean that just for apps, but for the whole Mobile team as such. hence the word 'dedicated' [00:19:02] got it [00:19:24] YuviPanda: tell me more about more mobile app devs [00:19:48] tfinc_: so much to do, just the three of us :) [00:20:12] tfinc_: especially as our featureset increases, and we look towards a wikipedia app later on, 1.5 people per platform is going to get seriously limiting [00:20:13] YuviPanda: i could say that about any team that has ever existed in any area [00:20:32] YuviPanda: talk to me about about features rather then just capactiy [00:20:35] tfinc_: sure, I'm not talking about 'right now' but towards Q3 or so [00:20:51] tfinc_: okay, so when we bring on the Wikipedia app, we would still have the commons app working [00:20:59] not put 'to maintainence' like the current wiki app [00:21:02] but actively being worked on [00:21:07] and integrated into the wiki app [00:21:12] i'm purposely playing devils advocate as well get these questions [00:21:18] of course :) [00:21:31] so at current capacity, that's going to be very hard. [00:21:34] You'll notice that finding time [00:21:42] for us to get even small fixes to the WIkipediaMobile app is tough [00:21:54] because of the context switch required, and also the 'maintanance mode' outlook [00:22:09] so I firmly believe we should have people actively working on it at all times. [00:22:28] we need to add people to be able to do that without slowing to a crawl [00:22:50] it'll also give us time to think about various form factors (Tablets, etc) [00:22:57] so we can actively take advantage of them [00:23:11] rather than just make sure that it isn't too bad (like we do now) [00:23:37] tfinc_: there's also the issue of server side work. I think as we move forward, we'll keep hitting places where we'll need to get some server side work done [00:23:51] tfinc_: I was doing CR for brion's details page view earlier and we hit on one such thing, for example [00:24:17] tfinc_: so if we have more coverage for apps, it'll be easier for me or brion to go do the backend fixes in our server code that apps need [00:24:38] I am doing so for campaigns, but you'll notice that it reduces our velocity on Android a fair bit [00:24:52] tfinc_: does that make sense? [00:25:16] * YuviPanda wonders if tfinc_'s wifi is still connectd [00:26:24] tfinc_: still here? [00:28:56] New patchset: Jdlrobson; "Remove global fixtures" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/71154 [00:35:48] !logs [00:35:51] bleh [00:36:27] jdlrobson: ermm, don't reset /topic fully. it had several useful links which are now gone. [00:36:30] * YuviPanda goes to find them again [00:37:20] YuviPanda: ? what topic? [00:37:27] jdlrobson: /topic on the Channel [00:37:33] i haven't touched topic YuviPanda [00:37:35] had links to the logs, latest builds, bugzilla, etc [00:37:49] jdlrobson: jdlrobson set the topic at: 01-May-2013 10:32 PM [00:37:57] o_O [00:38:08] ah you mean over a month ago when max and i had an edit topic war for some reason :) [00:38:10] I just noticed because I was looking for logs [00:38:36] YuviPanda: irc topic not the best place to put them then :) [00:38:36] still, at the end of the war, restore all borders to original location! :) [00:39:03] jdlrobson: every other channel indicates otherwise. [00:39:21] well, every other channel for an open source project, at least [00:39:40] sure but as you've just learnt topics have no history - don't depend on them [00:39:59] jdlrobson: there's a way around that, usually :) [00:40:06] but maxsem isn't here [00:40:16] we could get him to lock the topic when he's around [00:40:22] or when someone who is chanop is around [00:40:41] jdlrobson: [00:42:06] jdlrobson: and IRC does have history :) [00:42:07] [02:38:08] *** Krinkle changes topic to 'Wikimedia Mobile Team here! | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Mobile_engineering | Channel logs: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-mobile/ | Commons Android app Nightly: https://bit.ly/commons-nightly' [00:43:04] jdlrobson: apologies if I appear grumpy today, though. Doesn't translate well over text, I guess. [00:46:13] YuviPanda: you're always grumpy ;-) [00:46:33] more like people only remember the times I'm grumpy :) [00:46:50] If I'm non grumpy I'm just going to be sitting here and writing code... [00:46:54] :P [00:49:31] * YuviPanda heads to sleep [00:50:00] YuviPanda: im trying to get bingle migrated over to tool labs. i've added 'bingle' as a new tool but i can't seem to add other maintainers and 'become bingle' on tool labs results in a sudo error... [00:50:14] awjr: for sudo error, log out and log back in? [00:50:20] i'll ask in #wikimedia-labs but figured i'd ask you first since you seem to be familiar [00:50:30] that worked YuviPanda [00:50:35] let me look at adding people [00:50:38] awjr: oh, who do you want to add? [00:50:45] awjr: they arleady need to be members of the tools project on labs [00:50:48] but when it ry to add maintainers, i get 'not in service gorup' [00:50:55] i was going to add you for now :) [00:50:59] ah! [00:51:02] i should be [00:51:34] yeah - when i click 'add maintainers' im told 'not in service group - you must be a member of this service group to perform this action' [00:51:54] awjr: you need 'add user to service group' [00:52:15] er [00:52:17] there is such a thing as 'add maintainers'? [00:52:17] how do i do that? [00:52:27] awjr: go to https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NovaProject [00:52:27] YuviPanda: there is on https://tools.wmflabs.org/ [00:52:39] awjr: and in the filter select 'tools' [00:52:46] then the list of all service groups will turn up [00:52:58] yeah, i get the same 'not in service group' when i try to do it through Special:novaProject :( [00:53:00] awjr: and then you will see 'add user to service group' [00:53:08] awjr: that's weird [00:53:20] I see your name there awjrichards [00:53:23] yeah [00:53:30] i'll ask in #labs [00:53:31] awjr: you are adding it to local-bingle, right? [00:53:34] and logged in? [00:53:34] correct [00:53:36] yes [00:53:41] * YuviPanda has had wikitech kick him out randomly [00:53:44] okay #labs then [00:56:00] meh if i can't get it done now i'll try to finish up on the weekend or monday evening before i leave for vacation [00:56:29] i'd like to add adam to bugello too and ultimately max to bingle [00:56:33] awjr: yeah, shouldn't be a problem. worst case, the toollab admins can add me (when you tell them) [00:56:42] so there are folks who can cope if something blows up while im out [00:56:46] right [00:57:06] (i will prepare some rudimentary documentation too before i leave) [00:57:07] tfinc: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportUserAgents.htm [11:08:27] New patchset: Hashar; "Bug 48917: Fix extracts" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69585 [11:14:18] New patchset: Hashar; "Bug 48917: Fix extracts" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69585