[00:03:28] awjr: do you know who this user is https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/users/59 ? [00:03:43] its the only non machine account that i can't figure out for the migration [00:03:58] * awjr looks [00:04:06] no [00:04:13] aschulz ? [00:04:22] could be, but the projects dont seem right [00:04:23] i can't make head or tails given the projects [00:04:32] analytics, e3, fundraiser 2011... [00:04:33] yeah [00:04:45] read only on fundraiser, i18n [00:04:48] * awjr shrugs [00:04:49] i say don't worry and if its an active user the'll let us know [00:04:53] halfaker? [00:05:21] maybe but im going to stick with my ... just let it lapse and see if anyone complains [00:05:33] i know he had done analytics-related work and was peripherally involved with the fundraiser that year [00:05:34] yeah [00:05:37] i think that's reasonable [00:06:43] we need an email address for bingle https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/users/99 [00:06:58] aww [00:07:04] given that we have anon access can we kill https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/users/20 ? [00:07:12] hmm didnt we set one up for trello? [00:07:34] tfinc we should ask if the other projects are relying on the guest account [00:07:44] awjr: your expecting me to think that far back when I'm this jet lagged ? [00:07:49] :p [00:08:01] awjr: why would they be ? [00:08:16] dunno, i dont think projects are set up by default for anon read-only access [00:08:28] so we can switch them over as part of this [00:08:35] sure [00:09:06] awjr: hmm.. the last login was just two days ago [00:09:26] it's possible there are community folks who have been using it since the early days and just haven't stopped [00:10:18] awjr: then we should draft an announcement, say that guest/guest is depricated in favor of anonymous access, and inform them of the schedule [00:10:30] tfinc yeah [00:10:34] i can own that [00:10:49] cool thanks, im going to be pretty unilateraly focussed on the workshops [00:11:11] good. thats where you should be [00:15:36] (03PS10) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Removed X-CS dependency in HTML content rewriting [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76201 (owner: 10Yurik) [05:58:32] (03CR) 10Springle: [C: 04-1] "(2 comments)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76271 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [09:30:28] (03Abandoned) 10Yuvipanda: bug 50733: Fix OOM error on low-memory devices [apps/android/commons] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78358 (owner: 10SuchABot) [10:59:06] (03CR) 10JGonera: "This breaks animations because when you rerender, the browser needs time to calculate dimensions of elements (kind of render them even tho" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80298 (owner: 10JGonera) [11:00:15] /query YuviPanda o/ [11:00:24] oops [11:00:29] hehe [11:00:33] ohai prtksxna [11:00:43] eating give me a few mins? [11:00:49] prtksxna: ^ [11:00:53] Yeah, stupid spaces :\ [13:02:02] (03CR) 10JGonera: "How can this be tested?" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80503 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [14:59:01] (03PS2) 10JGonera: Story 1073: Enable campaigns on mobile [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80503 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [15:01:25] (03PS2) 10JGonera: Introduce PageApi [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80133 [15:58:04] hello there [15:59:00] may you recommend me the detailed manual to configure the mobilefronted extention? [16:04:27] (03PS11) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Removed X-CS dependency in HTML content rewriting [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76201 (owner: 10Yurik) [16:08:21] (03PS12) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Removed X-CS dependency in HTML content rewriting [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76201 (owner: 10Yurik) [16:08:22] (03PS4) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Handle MobileFrontendBeforeDOM hook instead of double parsing [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/75289 (owner: 10Yurik) [16:09:23] slav_, the docs... oh:( [16:09:53] but actually, there aren't too many configuration settings [16:10:03] ...relevant to non-WMF wikis [16:11:23] slav_, what exactly do you want to configure? [16:14:41] MaxSem, I installed the extension, it works with ?useformat=mobile on desktop. but does not work on a mobile browser. auto-detection does not work, I think. [16:15:08] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend/Configuring_browser_auto-detection ? [16:15:22] (03PS1) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Adding two messages to prepare for re-arch of WZ link rewriting. [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80574 [16:16:50] MaxSem, would you please review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80574 for the two new entries and approve if appropriate? hoping to get these translations readied for the future. [16:16:56] MaxSem: I already set $wgMFAutodetectMobileView = true; [16:17:15] what's your version?this requires 1.21? [16:17:41] MaxSem 1.20 [16:17:48] meh [16:18:14] only MobileFrontend for MW 1.21 supports this [16:18:41] MaxSem : how to configure it on 1.20 ? [16:19:09] by reproducing WIkimedia's Varnish configuration [16:19:29] which is hard [16:19:37] upgrading is much easier [16:20:27] (03CR) 10MaxSem: [C: 04-1] "(1 comment)" [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80574 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [16:21:48] (03PS2) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Adding two messages to prepare for re-arch of WZ link rewriting. [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80574 [16:21:52] ^MaxSem [16:22:21] MaxSem: that is I have to upgrade engine? [16:23:34] yes, both MediaWiki and MobileFrontend, because MF will not work with earlier versions [16:23:36] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor?extdist_extension=MobileFrontend&extdist_version=REL1_21&extdist_submit=Continue [16:40:26] (03CR) 10MaxSem: [C: 031] Adding two messages to prepare for re-arch of WZ link rewriting. [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80574 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [16:47:37] MaxSem: is it possible to query the api for all images from a user list? [16:47:46] e.g. all photos from MaxSem and Kaldari [16:48:04] jdlrobson: we do this on the apps. [16:48:14] jdlrobson: you can, but it messes up around deleted or moved pics [16:48:15] PandaInABox: what api query do you use? [16:48:16] let me find the query [16:48:18] moment [16:48:34] currently trying all images gaiuser doesn't seem to let me give multiple users [16:48:47] PandaInABox: how you feeling? [16:49:01] awjr: better! it's 10PM and I'm not clutching my ears, so... :) [16:49:06] :D [16:49:11] glad to hear it [16:49:21] awjr: :) feeling still rather unproductive and guilty though. [16:49:32] aww don't feel guilty, just get better :) [16:49:59] hmm, allusers seem to support 1 user at a time [16:50:26] *doesn't seem [16:50:46] jdlrobson: we use action=query list=logecents [16:50:51] *logevents [16:50:56] jdlrobson: and no, it doesn't give you multiple users [16:51:26] jdlrobson: what are you currently using? the normal way of getting 'images from user' doesn't include your image if someone else has updated your image with a new one, which is why we don't use it [16:51:48] PandaInABox: mel asked me do something for the all staff [16:51:55] basically i need to grab all photos from a list of usernames [16:52:05] ah, right. multiple queries :) [16:52:08] i'd rather not resort to multiple queries [16:52:11] hmm, or perhaps a generator [16:52:15] the username list is very long [16:52:31] \o/ api [16:52:52] everything else allows a pipe why the feck does't username [16:53:14] (03PS2) 10JGonera: Story 1092: Show section-level edit login/signup CTA [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80298 [16:54:30] MaxSem: how do I write a new 'list' for query? is that documented somewhere? [16:54:35] or should I just RTFC? [16:54:51] MaxSem, thanks for review [16:55:05] PandaInABox, I always did the latter:P [16:55:23] heh, documentation, documentation... [16:55:24] !b 1 [16:55:27] hmpf [16:57:09] (03CR) 10awjrichards: [C: 032] Rm header logging, several days worth of data should be enough [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80390 (owner: 10MaxSem) [16:57:30] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Rm header logging, several days worth of data should be enough [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80390 (owner: 10MaxSem) [16:57:41] PandaInABox: an api should be consistent and meet expectations. if it's not then it's broken [16:57:59] mediawiki's API is of course broken [16:58:04] mediawiki in general, yeah. [16:58:16] I'd hardly call it a 'modern web application' [16:58:26] you're preaching to the choir, jdlrobson :) [16:58:33] (03CR) 10awjrichards: "Is this really necessary?" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80410 (owner: 10MaxSem) [16:58:54] :) [16:59:09] (03CR) 10MaxSem: "I was wary that somehow a device might be detectd as WAP on desktop." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80410 (owner: 10MaxSem) [16:59:10] anyway i promised mel i'd get this sorted and 80 api requests seems a bit extreme lol [16:59:18] standup! [17:00:01] (03CR) 10awjrichards: [C: 032] "Meh, the paranoia check can't hurt." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80410 (owner: 10MaxSem) [17:00:21] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add an extra paranoid check to blacklisting of WAP devices from HTTPS [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80410 (owner: 10MaxSem) [17:01:49] * Copyright © 2006 Yuri Astrakhan "@gmail.com" [17:01:52] hehe, yurik [17:10:25] hah [17:10:28] that'll stop those spambots [17:12:10] brion: yeah :) [17:12:12] brion: okay, standup! [17:13:13] agh dangit laptop's closed so no webcam….. i'll switch laptops :P [17:13:44] i gotta get a usb webcam or something [17:14:32] brion: did you get a haircut? [17:15:00] PandaInABox: its just wet, it'll poof out as it dries [17:15:41] jdlrobson, the go back button in RTL is probably not overflow hidden, but insuficient text-indent or something [17:15:50] well, actually, it can be fixed both ways [17:16:02] hey jgonera! Feel free to self merge on the limn stuff, bw [17:16:03] *btw [17:16:23] anyway, jdlrobson, can you have a look at the new patchset for edit cta now? because, as I wrote in my e-mail, I'd like to leave soon today [17:16:26] jgonera: well the text indent is 999px - i feel like like overflow hidden is always a good idea in these cases. who knows how big a screen someone is going to have :) [17:16:26] jgonera: and my ear is better today, but I still can't seem to talk more than a sentence without coughing really really badly. [17:16:33] jgonera: sure first thing on my list [17:16:54] jdlrobson, it's one CSS rule more, and I'm sure that -9999px fixes it for at least several years [17:17:16] jgonera: yeh but that's one css rule. it's cheap. [17:17:52] I guess, although I don't treat lines in assets that everyone has to download as cheap ;) [17:18:10] doesn't matter much in this case [17:19:26] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/80298/2/javascripts/common/CtaDrawer.js < jgonera isn't options.returnTo a hash? [17:19:36] it's just confusing as returnTo is usually a page title [17:19:53] jdlrobson, it can be anything appended to retunrTo (which by default is a title) [17:20:33] in the current form though it's odd - i would expect returnTo to be the full value [17:20:35] not part of the value [17:20:53] agreed, change name? [17:21:00] could we not do options.returnTo || mw.config.get( 'wgPageName' ) [17:21:04] Maryana: we still have quite a few outstanding un-triaged bugs in Mingle - if you have some time can you take a cruise through them and see if there's anything urgent? i noticed a couple of editor-related bugs that we may want to address [17:21:09] and pass the page name along with it? [17:21:18] yeah, i'll have a look, awjr [17:21:21] im afraid that list of bugs is going to grow over the weekend and we won't get through it again on monday [17:21:22] Maryana: awjr we can do that together after i've finished helping jgonera [17:21:24] awesome thanks Maryana :) [17:21:51] yeah, just lemme know when you have a sec and let's go through em together, jdlrobson [17:22:17] also jgonera fyi https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/80503/2/javascripts/common/CtaDrawer.js [17:22:34] jdlrobson, we could I guess, yeah [17:22:50] http://www.theonion.com/articles/coworker-with-two-computer-screens-not-fucking-aro,29151/ [17:22:59] (gonna be a merge conflict :)) [17:23:03] brion: ^^ [17:23:12] lol [17:23:18] jdlrobson, I know, but not a very tough one, I can resolve that, no matter which one gets merged first [17:23:35] so yeh i'd be happy to merge that patch jgonera as long as that option is sorted out [17:23:45] my head is having trouble gripping it [17:23:52] ok, fixing that now [17:23:55] *grepping [17:24:06] jgonera: will look at the limn graphs in the meantime :) [17:24:12] cool [17:26:15] (03PS3) 10JGonera: Story 1092: Show section-level edit login/signup CTA [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80298 [17:26:21] jdlrobson, ^ [17:26:39] next inbound bus in 39 minutes? that can't be right... [17:26:42] * brion stabs MUNI [17:27:13] kenanwang: since we're pushing out notifications on a bunch of wikis next week, it would be good to make some announcements in various community discussion spaces - you wanna do it? :) [17:27:28] sure [17:27:46] people need to start learning your name so they can go complain.. err, i mean, leave feedback for you! [17:27:48] ok i'm gonna go wait for that bus and hope that nextbus is lying about 40 minutes :PP [17:27:54] Maryana: I know village pump, where else? [17:27:56] see y'all back in the office [17:28:16] kenanwang, each langauge project has their own variant of the english wikipedia village pump [17:28:26] and they all call them by cute local names [17:28:28] jgonera: i notice when i click the edit section link the hash changes to #editor- [17:28:31] is that intentional? [17:28:40] like "cafe" or "bar" [17:28:41] kenanwang: so you'll need to first learn every language that has a language project [17:28:59] >:) [17:29:11] jdlrobson, hm, not really, let me see [17:29:21] not harmful either, but not intentional [17:29:31] also jgonera clicking edit section link than edit in page actions menu hides the cta [17:30:22] Maryana: is there an irish/gaelic wikipedia with the Village Pub ? ;-) [17:30:23] kenanwang, i'll get you a list of all the relevant places [17:30:33] hmm, good question. probably [17:30:36] jdlrobson, this one might be tougher to fix... it's because we do stopPropagation so that the section doesn't fold [17:30:49] * jdlrobson prays the japanese one is called the Karaoke den [17:30:51] it's probably called the "druidic circle" or something on gaelic wp [17:30:52] haha [17:31:00] jdlrobson, the hash changes for you in the newest patchset? what browser? it doesn;t for me [17:31:09] jgonera: chrome [17:31:22] what mode? [17:31:26] stable [17:31:31] on section edit links [17:31:45] oh, ok, it doesn't in alpha, but does in beta and stable [17:32:20] rriight... mouseup [17:32:32] jgonera: i wonder if it would be easier to just create new CTAS for all edit links? [17:32:35] rather than reuse the same one? [17:32:41] Maryana: k, and you said a bunch of wikis, I thought it was getting pushed to stable across the board, is it just certain wikis? [17:32:53] not all wikis have echo enabled [17:33:09] it's just 6 so far, including enwiki [17:33:18] Maryana: Right. Forgot about that [17:33:31] yeah, before this week, it was just enwiki! [17:33:37] but they're rolling out to more projects [17:33:45] slowly but surely [17:34:02] kenanwang: are you in SF at all next week? [17:34:11] jgonera: any reason we don't? [17:34:23] awjr: no unfortunately I won't be [17:34:30] that would strip away a need for running render again [17:34:43] kenanwang: ok - but you'll be around for the week of all hands and the week after? [17:34:55] yeah, we don't because the way drawers work right now is that they are added in the DOM even if they're not visible [17:34:58] awjr: yep [17:35:01] awesome [17:35:07] kenanwang: looking forward to meeitng you in person :) [17:35:18] maybe now that I added setTiemout we could experiment and change it, but let's leave it as a followup [17:35:21] awjr: definitely [17:35:24] jdlrobson, ^ [17:35:34] (03PS4) 10JGonera: Story 1092: Show section-level edit login/signup CTA [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80298 [17:35:34] jgonera: ok.. did you replicate the hash issue? [17:35:38] yes [17:35:39] fixed ^ [17:35:53] jgonera: so we are just left with clicking the edit button two times closes it on the second? [17:36:23] huh? closes it on first, opens a different one on second, right? [17:36:35] nope jgonera [17:36:42] if it closes when i click another cta [17:36:42] I don't get it then [17:36:54] so click edit in page action [17:36:59] then click edit for lead section [17:37:07] second click makes it disappear [17:37:19] it's not the end of the world we can live with it [17:37:19] oh, ok, second in the whole sequence [17:37:23] but we should probably fix it [17:37:28] ok, and you need the third one to open again [17:37:52] if you click upload/edit it has the right behaviour [17:38:00] upload/edit/star [17:38:11] I know [17:38:26] I mean, I don't know if it's the "right" behavior, I don't think we ever decided [17:38:26] so you want to do a follow up? fix this patch or raise a bug and fix later? [17:38:27] (03CR) 10awjrichards: "There should probably be some messaging to the user why they are seeing the form again." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80389 (owner: 10MaxSem) [17:38:30] but it's different, yes [17:38:38] jgonera: it's just inconsistent behavior with the rest which is what worries me [17:38:44] anyway, I think people don't tap all the buttons like crazy to see all the CTAa [17:38:45] s [17:38:56] jdlrobson, I have to leave in 5 minutes [17:39:00] jgonera: sure it's minor but we should capture it as it could point to some code problem [17:39:07] jgonera: ok i'll raise a bug so this doesn't get forgotten [17:39:08] I have no idea how to fix this without rewriting toggling [17:39:08] hey jgonera, which plwiki "cafe" did you post the mobile editing announcement to? [17:39:21] i can't figure out which one would be most appropriate to announce echo in [17:39:22] Maryana, let me see [17:39:23] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 032] Story 1092: Show section-level edit login/signup CTA [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80298 (owner: 10JGonera) [17:39:41] I think I just clicked "read in another language" from the English one ;) [17:39:47] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Story 1092: Show section-level edit login/signup CTA [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80298 (owner: 10JGonera) [17:40:42] Maryana, https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Kwestie_techniczne [17:40:50] although I also wasn't sure [17:40:55] and didn't get any replies there [17:41:06] you learned Polish btw? ;) [17:41:17] jgonera: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53263 [17:41:17] hmm.. well, i guess it can't hurt [17:41:30] jgonera, i can read polish okayish [17:41:49] it's just like ukrainian transliterated into latin script, with lots of crazy markup [17:41:51] ;) [17:41:58] haha [17:42:08] yeah, but you said you want to announce Echo [17:42:14] reading is not enough for that [17:42:36] kenanwang's gonna do it - if you want to help him out, that would be very nice of you :) [17:42:46] thanks, jdlrobson, do you want me to rebase https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/80503/ ? [17:43:12] kenanwang knows Polish? ;) [17:43:14] unfortunately, the other projects where echo is deployed are not so easy - portuguese, swedish, hungarian, and french [17:43:19] I can help, just not today [17:43:24] well, english is better than nothing [17:43:27] yeah, no worries [17:43:31] it's not urgent [17:43:36] ok, no problem [17:43:44] jgonera: if you can but don't worry if you can't shouldn't be too hard? [17:43:49] eswiki still without echo? [17:43:51] by can i mean you have time :) [17:44:08] jdlrobson, let me see if I can tackle it in 5 minutes [17:44:13] jgonera, yeah, i'm not sure how they're choosing projects for their rollout… [17:44:28] probably if somebody from the community asks for it [17:45:10] surprising nobody who speaks Spanish did [17:46:05] jgonera: Maryana english announcements it is! [17:46:34] jgonera can translate it after you post ;) no big deal [17:46:58] this was a missed opportunity for some new person hazing [17:47:15] I have the android emulator running now. Does anyone know if it is possible to load a local vhost URL via the android browser from the emulator? So far it doesn't look like it's possible. Guess it doesn't care about the /etc/hosts file :( [17:47:31] i should've told you that you had to learn enough polish, hungarian, swedish, and portuguese in the next week to post these announcements, kenanwang [17:48:08] of course the real challenge will be japanese, arabic, farsi… [17:48:09] guess I'll just have to use labs for emulator testing [17:48:33] Maryana: k, should i translate the 2 year roadmap as well [17:49:11] no, writing that thing is hazing enough! [17:49:30] does mobile have a particular labs instance that they use for experimentation/testing? [17:49:42] kaldari, staging.labs.org [17:49:54] wmflabs [17:50:53] this bus sucks [17:51:06] kaldari, we're set up on beta labs, too [17:51:09] if I miss one its forever until the next [17:51:32] Maryana: I'm more looking for a server I can break things on [17:51:45] ah.. hmm [17:52:30] so YuviPanda in terms of the api photos for username_s_ problem should i raise a bug? any workarounds? [17:52:50] brion: at least no one threw up on you on the bus [17:52:52] * jdlrobson looks at jgonera  [17:53:03] ewww [17:53:19] * jgonera looks at StevenW  [17:53:39] * brion can't look [17:54:05] poor StevenW - still trying to get the smell out [17:54:52] (03PS3) 10JGonera: Story 1073: Enable campaigns on mobile [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80503 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [17:54:57] jdlrobson, ^ [17:54:57] thanks jgonera ! [17:55:05] * jdlrobson tests quickly [17:55:51] jgonera: not seeing the campaign parameter being passed.. mmm [17:55:52] MaxSem: Which labs project is staging under? [17:56:00] mobile [17:56:05] jdlrobson, in which CTA? [17:56:12] can you add me to the mobile project on labs? [17:56:26] all of them.. so wondering what happened [17:56:40] jgonera: it's alright i'll take a look [17:56:47] you rush off :) [17:57:01] are you sure you checked out patchset 3? [17:57:42] MaxSem: who's the project admin for the mobile project on labs, i.e. who can add me? Do you know? [17:58:13] jdlrobson: hmm, ask MaxSem - he'd know much better than me :) [17:58:20] I see them everywhere, jdlrobson [17:58:36] MaxSem: tahnk you [17:58:40] kaldari, you are [17:58:46] now:) [17:59:01] bus here! see ya in the office in ~30 [17:59:29] jgonera: looks like a beta problem [17:59:33] hopefully without any puke on, brion! [17:59:33] i'm on it so don't worry :) [17:59:34] YuviPanda, ??? [17:59:46] 23:22 jdlrobson: so YuviPanda in terms of the api photos for username_s_ problem should i raise a bug? any workarounds? [17:59:47] ok, although it works for me on beta too :O [17:59:48] MaxSem: ^ [17:59:52] no puke. win! [17:59:57] brion: yet! [18:00:05] MaxSem: basically i want to request all photos taken by several specified users [18:00:20] e.g. mobile team photos - all photos by MaxSem, jdlrobson, jgonera, Maryana, etc.. [18:00:27] api doesn't seem to allow that right now [18:02:34] awjr: the login was broken monday right? [18:02:44] it would explain our dip in edits - http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ [18:02:45] for a short time yes jdlrobson [18:02:59] likely jdlrobson [18:03:05] but that looks like a really big dip [18:03:08] lost 100 unique editors that day :( [18:03:43] well, sundays are usually a little slower [18:03:49] in terms of signups and editing activity [18:04:40] jdlrobson, wanna go through bugs now? [18:04:49] jdlrobson: for now, I suggest iterating :) [18:04:56] Maryana: sure where you want to do it? [18:04:58] i'm working from home, but we can hop on a hangout or just text chat - whichever [18:05:14] ps. guys the first month of editing has seen 10265 unique users make an edit [18:05:20] !!! [18:05:22] Maryana: pm then [18:05:35] sweet [18:05:35] so Maryana are we done? ;-) [18:05:46] ok, guys, I'm going to eat something before I leave, I'll check IRC one more time in ~30 minutes [18:05:48] mobile is done guys! we can all go home [18:05:53] jgonera: k [18:05:54] yep, all done [18:05:55] :) [18:06:03] haha, nice ;) [18:06:15] next month: work from tahoe [18:06:16] im already home [18:06:41] that's even with all the errors we're getting? [18:07:05] MaxSem: Looks like staging is running some pretty old code. Would anyone mind if I updated it? Is it OK to pull it to master? [18:07:06] kenanwang: > join #mobile-looking-at-bugz [18:07:20] kaldari, it's always ok [18:07:23] cool [18:08:26] jdlrobson, looks like an efficient query is impossible for multiple usernames [18:09:12] MaxSem: waaaaaa [18:11:57] jdlrobson: also, 'photos from X' right now means 'files whose current versions are by X' - so if someone does even a minor modification on your photo (cropping, brightness, whatever) - it won't show up on the list :) [18:13:39] * jdlrobson goes to a dark corner [18:14:18] jdlrobson: and there is the other way (eventlog) which the apps use, which gets you all your files, even if someone had changed them - except for files that have been moved (you don't get the new one) or deleted (you get a blank) [18:14:49] jdlrobson: so currently, there is literally no way to ask 'give me all the pictures I have contributed to commons, no matter if they have been renamed, and exclude the deleted ones' [18:15:34] jdlrobson: so the problem you are trying to solve for multiple usernames hasn't actually been solved even for single ones [18:16:51] leave all hope ye who tries [18:28:19] MaxSem: is there a way to get all images the titles of which begin with a certain string? [18:29:26] allimages&aiprefix=... [18:33:13] thanks MaxSem [18:41:55] hey, about to head out, but just wanted to ask quickly, would everyone be OK with me working EU hours Monday and Tuesday too? [18:42:21] jgonera: will you be able to be around during deployment? [18:42:34] pooh vertical text support in safari 6.1 [18:42:45] *ooh [18:42:46] mongolia here we come [18:42:51] not really and there's not much I can do about Tuesday because I need to get up no later than 5am on Wednesday [18:42:57] to catch my flight in Warsaw [18:43:17] jdlrobson: you'll be around for deployment on tuesday right? [18:43:28] supports image-set in CSS, but doesn't look like srcset [18:45:12] awjr, I can try to pop in for a moment if jdlrobson won't be there [18:45:15] jgonera: i think it should be fine as long as we have jdlrobson and/or kaldari around during deployment on tuesday [18:45:27] jgonera: don't worry about it, do what you need to do; we can adjust accordingly if necesary :) [18:45:42] well, I'm not on vacation, so I need to adjust ;) [18:46:18] let me know if anything changes, I posted a followup to my "Working hours" thread on mobile-tech [18:46:24] thanks jgonera [18:46:32] see you all on Monday, have a great weekend! [18:50:17] Safari Version 6.1 (8537.59) \o/ [18:50:22] let's see if our mobile site explodes in it [18:51:16] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 031] Story 1073: Enable campaigns on mobile [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80503 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [18:54:34] awjr_lunch: now that I noticed a 'ninja' being used in internal emails, we should start using that in our hiring pitches too :P [18:56:44] let's hire some ninjas and rock stars [18:56:48] then make them FIGHT TO THE DEATH [18:56:58] hackerbros? :D [18:58:10] YuviPanda: :p [18:58:18] Maryana, kenanwang, jdlrobson thanks for getting those bugs triaged! [18:58:45] np! [19:00:14] ok no surprises so far with desktop safari 6.1 prerelease poking around at the mobile site so far [19:15:08] Maryana: Do we have a comparison on number of edits from mobile vs. desktop? [19:15:32] I just did a query and found roughly 35k edits from mobile this past month [19:15:57] however it looks like there are about 10M edits per month from all sources [19:16:13] but that 10M number includes bots I believe [19:16:23] we don't have any timeseries chart for all edits globally, no [19:16:33] this'll require some manual digging [19:17:17] Well i'm looking at this table for edit counts: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaZZ.htm [19:18:55] hmm.. yeah, i doubt that's bot-filtered [19:19:17] ori was doing some edit logging a few months back [19:19:32] there's some data on this in z_PageContentSaveComplete_5303086 [19:19:58] he was including useragent string, which IDs bot edits as such [19:20:28] so we can at least get a rough approximation of what % of all edits bots represent in that sample [19:20:39] and apply it to the numbers in the stats.wm.org table [19:20:57] what db is z_PageContentSaveComplete_5303086 in? [19:21:01] log [19:21:03] log? [19:21:06] all the way at the bottom [19:21:07] yep :) [19:22:38] yep see that [19:22:57] it's huuuuuuge [19:23:15] yeah as could be expected i guess [19:24:10] hmm.. actually, *somewhere* in limn, there's a chart that dario made of API edits vs. "real" edits [19:24:14] the thing that I'm trying to reconcile is that right now 16% of our page views come from mobile but if you use the 35k and 10M numbers then only .35% of our edits come from mobile [19:24:26] right right [19:24:37] yeah, i know bots are a scary huge chunk of all edits, though [19:24:53] i just don't remember how huge - 30%? 50%? [19:25:29] i actually started putting together a doc with some notes on PVs, registrations - was gonna work on finding some edit # data today :) [19:25:34] will share w/you [19:25:43] and lemme see if i can find that API chart in limn [19:26:21] ok cool [19:26:42] aha! http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/dashboards/enwiki-metrics [19:26:54] the first one is hourly VE & wikitext edits, no bots [19:29:46] sadly just enwiki [19:30:15] but it looks like it's an average of about… 4k edits an hour total (3.5 wikitext, 0.5 VE)? [19:30:56] totals to about 2.8M [19:31:08] and enwiki is about half? [19:31:13] yeah [19:31:19] so total is maybe 5Mish? [19:31:34] yeah… so uggh, bots are like 50% [19:31:34] that matches with a bot edit rate of about 50% [19:31:39] freaky [19:31:52] maybe a bit less [19:31:52] skynet has become self-aware [19:31:59] oh hold on [19:32:26] oh wait, that was all project edits, right? [19:32:29] kimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm [19:32:35] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm [19:33:00] hmmmm [19:33:39] 2.8M out of roughly 3.5M are non bots maybe... [19:33:59] hard to say cause that data fluctuates a decent amount [19:34:07] and there is no number for august [19:34:08] ... [19:34:13] i really don't trust those tables [19:34:37] well [19:34:47] gotta be undercounting, cos i know that, for example, page creations don't get logged as edits sometimes [19:34:57] do we think that half of all edits are in enwiki? [19:35:14] cause that was the original question, was how many edits are non bot [19:35:27] i don't actually know for sure [19:35:38] half of all PVs to wmf projects are enwiki [19:35:45] yeah [19:35:50] and if you look at things like registration, it's also about half [19:35:55] and half of all editors? [19:35:56] right [19:35:59] i don't think anyone's actually run the numers for edits, though [19:36:00] registrations [19:37:21] YuviPanda: You know much about using the Android SDK? [19:37:32] kaldari: 'sup? [19:37:36] yeah, I'd like to think :) [19:38:11] I want to set up an AVD for the emulator that has it's target set to an older version of Android, but it only gives me the option of Android 4.3. [19:38:26] how do I get more options for the target? [19:38:27] frak [19:38:29] kaldari: you need to download the previous versions. You can do that from the SDK manager [19:38:31] well 21K of our 35K mobile edits are enwiki [19:38:43] does anyone have problems with running core parser tests? [19:38:57] kaldari: is this the commandline sdk? then you can run the manager by $SDKPATH/tools/android [19:39:12] kenanwang: woah, is it really that much!? [19:39:15] man [19:39:33] yeah I guess so [19:39:35] i mean, mobile registrations are up way more on enwiki than other projects, for sure [19:40:04] so on enwiki mobile edits account for .73 percent of edits [19:40:36] heh. so close to 1 percent! [19:40:53] wait, are you looking at namespace 0 only? or all? [19:40:55] kaldari: it'll have list of versions, and the 'ARM EABI v7a System Image' means the emulator image [19:41:22] kaldari: the Intel Atom images are *much* faster if you can get them to work, but that's not too easy, I am told. [19:41:29] all [19:41:46] let me refine to namespace zero [19:41:48] k, well - there's your high-level 2 year roadmap goal right there :) [19:41:59] get mobile edits up to like 5 or 10% [19:42:08] YuviPanda: OK, it's downloading the older Android version now. Thanks! [19:42:14] kaldari: yw :) [19:42:21] yeah so my question is do we think that that scales like page views? [19:42:30] i.e. 1.5x per year? [19:42:38] not really [19:42:49] i mean, it hasn't on desktop [19:42:54] it's actually done the opposite [19:43:00] the gap btw views and editors is growing [19:43:04] as views rise [19:43:29] mobile might cut into that.. [19:43:31] hopefully [19:43:49] well at an increase of 1.5x per year [19:43:57] kaldari: btw, if the emulator is too slow (it usually is!) you can try out http://androvm.org/blog/ [19:44:06] much faster, mostly. [19:44:15] that still only puts us at 1.6 percent of edits in 2 years [19:44:57] I guess my 35 k number is low actually [19:45:15] 35k? [19:45:25] well the edit count is low [19:45:34] for a month [19:45:45] because mobile editing has been around for 27 days not 30 days [19:45:52] ah [19:45:58] heh, true [19:46:03] close, though [19:46:54] brb, lunch - i'll come back and bang my head against this some more [19:47:05] if you have any brilliant revelations, document them somewhere [19:47:10] hahah [19:47:18] srsly, nobody knows this stuff [19:47:27] and we need to! [19:52:11] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Bug 53102: Simple fix for text indent in older browsers on cancel button [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80653 [19:57:31] er Maryana_lunch http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Uploads < is the upload button working for you? [19:59:20] ^ awjr ? [19:59:40] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Bug 53103: Apply RTL styling for upload button [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80656 [19:59:45] * awjr looks [20:00:36] i can choose an image but it doesn't seem to open the overlay [20:01:11] jdlrobson: i get the same behavior [20:01:13] :( [20:01:16] eek [20:01:21] seems fine on lead photos [20:01:24] * jdlrobson looks at graphs [20:01:53] iirc it was working after deployment [20:01:56] our uploads do seem to have dipped [20:01:58] graphs seem to suggest this broke yesterday [20:02:18] did we deploy anything yesterday? [20:03:43] MaxSem: ^? [20:03:43] not that im aware of [20:03:43] i dont see any js errors or anything [20:03:57] no [20:04:10] there was a platform deployment though [20:04:41] MaxSem: regular deployment train stuff? [20:04:47] yup [20:05:24] so core changes and any extension updates for deployment train extensions (most of them) [20:07:58] well im seeing the same behavior locally against head of master of core and MF [20:08:39] jdlrobson: i presume you're digging in? [20:11:13] jdlrobson: but filed - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53282 [20:11:17] Maryana_lunch: ^ [20:11:20] s/but/bug [20:14:32] awjr: yeh.. not much luck now [20:17:35] awjr, are you able to run core parser tests? do they all succeed for you? [20:18:11] lemme check [20:18:59] this may take a minute [20:19:01] brion: think you will have time to get to https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons/pull/41 today? [20:19:09] and by may i mean will [20:21:25] hmm getting a missing table error [20:21:44] unittest_globaluser table doesn't exist… know anything about that MaxSem? [20:21:54] CA [20:22:01] grr [20:22:35] YuviPanda: i'll poke at it some more yeah [20:22:40] sweet [20:23:45] wtf [20:23:50] * awjr slaps centralauth [20:24:23] MaxSem: off the top of your head, do you know if i need to do something other than update.php to get that table setup? [20:24:57] mm, CA is a tricky beast to set up:) [20:25:17] grep -r unittest_globaluser shows me nothing in CentralAuth... [20:25:25] poop, still no WebGL in safari 6.1 [20:25:31] i have CentralAuth woroking locally [20:25:34] or at least i thought i did :p [20:25:44] why not just disable it when you don't need it? [20:26:06] that would be too easy [20:26:06] grep without prefix;) [20:26:34] ayway [20:26:56] my problem is that UT fail both on my machine and on staging with "Transaction idle or pre-commit callbacks still pending" [20:27:18] im seeing that now too that i've disabled CA [20:27:26] although they're not failures [20:27:29] just PHP notices [20:27:35] but tests are still running [20:27:44] apparently, parser tests via PHPUnit don't like MySQL these days:/ [20:27:57] system update on my nexus 4? must be a point release, i'm sure i already installed 4.3 [20:28:29] brion: i got that one yesterday [20:28:31] no issues [20:28:34] yay [20:29:01] tfinc: i'm also fiddling with a samsung phone that'll do dual-SIM when i travel… i'd like it more without the samsung software additions though. :P [20:29:15] touchwiz sucks [20:29:38] brion: mediawiki is a mess :( Can I blame you? :P [20:29:38] only got one real failure MaxSem [20:29:49] 1) CiteParserTests::testParserTest with data set #7 [20:29:50] YuviPanda: sure, i'll take the blame :) [20:30:08] but saw this a lot: [20:30:08] * YuviPanda sends blame brion in the form of alcohol [20:30:08] PHP Notice: LocalFile::recordUpload2: Transaction already in progress (from LocalFile::lock), performing implicit commit! [Called from DatabaseBase::begin in /mnt/hgfs/testing/core/includes/db/Database.php at line 3165] in /mnt/hgfs/testing/core/includes/debug/Debug.php on line 296 [20:30:22] YuviPanda: oh no i have to drink it don't i :( [20:30:36] brion: yeah, that is what happens when mediawiki is bad! [20:30:41] you get alcohol and you've to drink it! [20:30:55] ah apparently a security update [20:31:00] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Log thank events from diff view [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80661 [20:31:17] brion: oh, that must be the fix for the random number cryptogenerator entropy depletion bug they found [20:31:23] heh [20:31:28] awjr, thanks [20:31:34] np MaxSem [20:32:17] https://brionv.com/log/2013/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s4-mini-duos-first-look-gt-i9192/ <- my initial notes on playing with the samsung phone. i like the size, hate the touchwiz UI, think the screen is mediocre [20:32:25] something that size but with a nicer screen… and stock android…. would rock [20:50:51] MaxSem, awjr: for some reason editing is limited to administrators on staging.wmflabs.org. Can someone make me into an admin? [20:51:20] not sure if i have sufficient permissions [20:51:33] * awjr looks [20:52:06] oh i should [20:52:18] kaldari, done [20:52:25] thanks [20:52:34] oh jinx [20:52:47] MaxSem: what does 'zeroadmin' do? [20:52:58] ask dr0ptp4kt:) [20:53:02] ^^ [20:53:30] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Bug 53282: Don't rely on extend / fix the uploads page button [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80665 [20:54:57] awjr (cc:MaxSem) it grants rights to modify the Zero: namespace on META [20:55:03] groovy [20:55:05] Maryana: can you do me a favor on your iphone? [20:55:17] sure thing [20:55:51] whatcha need, jdlrobson? [20:56:23] Maryana: didja see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53282 ? [20:56:24] ok navigate to http://4yrs.localtunnel.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&article_action=edit [20:56:25] on your iphone [20:56:25] a [20:56:27] and tell me if you see the blue box [20:56:39] * Maryana looks [20:58:33] "don't be scared of markup. try improving the main page"? [20:58:44] looks good - not cut off :) [20:58:47] yup [20:58:52] ok so this is the same bug as the upload button [20:59:06] oh, cos i'm logged out? [21:00:06] tfinc: we doing an app meeting or is that rescheduled? [21:00:31] (03CR) 10Kaldari: "(1 comment)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76659 (owner: 10Kaldari) [21:01:08] damn it my dog just knocked over a stack of 45 slides i'd printed out to lay out on the floor; now they're all out of order :( [21:01:19] d'oh [21:01:22] bad dog [21:01:30] at least she's cute. [21:01:48] cute and speedily deleted! [21:01:50] :) [21:01:54] hahahaha [21:01:59] you print out slides? [21:02:11] Maryana: so yeh that's why the uploads tutorial wsn't showing after you logged in [21:02:11] not usually YuviPanda; but this time yeah [21:02:19] I see! [21:02:43] for a 3-day long workshop and im having a hard time visualizing the big picture on my laptop [21:02:52] tfinc: brion mhurd am I in the right hangout? [21:02:52] printing them out to be able to see them all at once seems helpful :) [21:03:14] YuviPanda: we're not sure if the meetings still on [21:03:19] i'm cancelling it [21:03:19] brion: oh [21:03:24] ah ok :D [21:03:25] okay! [21:03:35] not sure how we got both that and the one on thursday [21:03:40] i'll mail you guys if i need anything [21:04:24] Maryana: at the stand-up you and juliusz were talking about some overflow:hidden. That's not related to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/76659/9/less/common/mainmenu.less is it? [21:05:24] uhh.. it was related to some bug we had come in, but i can't remember which one [21:05:52] i think jdlrobson was talking about it? [21:06:23] kaldari:https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80653 [21:07:25] thankx [21:07:34] awjr: Maryana so i'm guessing uploads will be broken till tuesday? :( [21:07:44] huh? [21:07:48] seems to only effect chrome browser [21:07:51] not safari [21:08:06] Maryana: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53282 [21:08:56] also Maryana https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Two_people_pose_for_a_double_selfie_in_The_Charlie_Brown_Cafe,_Hong_Kong-_2013-08-23_14-08.jpg [21:09:42] hmm, that's not good (not the selfie, the upload bug) [21:09:52] chrome only, not safari? [21:10:08] i can only replicate it in chrome so far but the graphs show an uploaders dip [21:10:28] http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/ < Uploaders daily [21:10:50] you can see the dip on tuesday [21:11:52] (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Introduce PageApi [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80133 (owner: 10JGonera) [21:12:12] the significant dip though is thurs [21:12:15] imo [21:12:33] although upload failure rate went up starting on tues [21:12:46] well, remember that all activity onwiki dips naturally toward the start of the weekend [21:13:11] jdlrobson: do you have any idea what might be causing the issue in chrome? [21:13:24] awjr: yes there is a fix already [21:13:36] linky? [21:13:37] there's something weird going on in the View code but juliusz wrote it and i can't work out what [21:13:40] it's in the bug [21:15:10] ok - Maryana unless you feel this is *srsly* urgent, i think we should hold off deploying until monday at the earliest [21:15:23] preferably just roll out the fix with regular deployment on tues [21:15:38] yeah, it sucks, but let's not kill ourselves to get it fixed over the weekend [21:16:03] should we should to get a fix out on monday Maryana? if so we need to schedule with greg [21:16:08] or wait til tues? [21:16:30] looking at the graphs, it doesn't look *that* bad - we've had other higher error rates before [21:16:38] i'd say wait til normal deployment [21:17:05] okidoke; jdlrobson can you mail the list to make sure this gets on juliusz's radar since he'll start his day well before we do on monday? [21:17:22] awjr: [21:17:24] sure [21:17:25] and also move the bug card in mingle to wherever [21:17:26] i've found another bug [21:17:28] thanks :) [21:17:29] oh good [21:17:31] there is an edit link in the footer.. :-S [21:17:36] doh [21:17:43] wha? [21:17:44] on current master not deployed [21:18:42] Maryana: also should the edit cta show at all times even when section is not open? [21:18:51] im not seeing that in stable jdlrobson [21:18:51] or should it only show when toggled open? [21:19:02] should be same as now - only show when toggled open [21:19:03] awjr: you need to be logged out [21:19:05] nor in beta [21:19:06] oh [21:19:16] ha [21:19:29] yeah ok i see it in stable and beta [21:19:31] logged out [21:19:39] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Regression: Don't add edit link cta to footer for anonymous users [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80666 [21:19:50] uh, does it look like this? http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page [21:20:09] yep Edit Wikipedia! [21:20:09] edit links everywhere! [21:20:11] yeah [21:20:15] errr [21:20:20] ^ there is the fix [21:20:51] :) [21:20:53] haha [21:21:11] it's an easy one - awjr you comfortable to mergehttps://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80666 ? [21:21:38] also note the edit has returned into the "read in another language" [21:21:41] on beta labs, anyway [21:22:15] Maryana: yup. school boy error. [21:24:52] sec jdlrobson [21:25:30] yeah looks fine [21:25:34] seems to work for me locally [21:25:36] YuviPanda: https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons/pull/41 [21:25:39] (03CR) 10awjrichards: [C: 032] Regression: Don't add edit link cta to footer for anonymous users [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80666 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [21:25:43] brion: woo, looking [21:25:55] oh i should test it on 2.3 just in case [21:26:08] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Regression: Don't add edit link cta to footer for anonymous users [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80666 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [21:28:29] mhurd: brion : what's the current branch of the iOS app that i should be building off to get 1) market release 2) current dev ? [21:28:53] tfinc: master. [21:29:01] lemme save a tag for the current release though before we add to it :) [21:29:10] (they're easy to find because you just go to the commit that bumped the version) [21:29:28] oh i think we merged one fix on master since the release [21:30:25] tfinc: can we sync up when you have a minute:? [21:30:33] hmm we don't seem to have saved tags on Commons-iOS. I'll add them [21:30:41] please tag. i always found it useful when we did it with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/How_to_release_an_app [21:30:48] awjr: sure. let me get some head phoens [21:30:53] kk [21:31:39] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Desktop: Load pagelist styles on nearby [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80673 [21:32:43] awjr: all right. i'm on [21:35:44] tfinc: ok there's now REL_1_0_x tags -- https://github.com/Wikimedia/Commons-iOS/tree/REL_1_0_8 [21:53:04] jdlrobson: not sure how I feel about the html { font-size: 90%; }, How much more difficult do you think it would be to change the other styles appropriately? [21:53:19] kaldari: if we do that we should do the same for mobile [21:53:29] i stated in my first commit i wasn't sure about it either [21:53:49] seems like it would be a better idea in the long run [21:54:24] the default font size is 16px for most browsers which is probably too big - so this basically resets it to 14px-ish [21:54:34] using less would make this a lot easier.. [21:54:54] true, but it makes debugging css more of a pain, since everything is relative to that [21:55:39] I'm not adamantly opposed to it, but it feels hackish [22:02:16] brion: http://www.objc.io/issue-3/advanced-auto-layout-toolbox.html [22:02:35] *bookmark* [22:16:58] hmm, wondering if there's any reason to think about a moto x over using my nexus 4 [22:17:28] AMOLED screen? that's a minus in my book, i like IPS LCD better usually [22:18:19] more storage, larger camera sensor, and LTE….. eh slight improvement i guess [22:18:49] and… no hdmi out. boo hiss [22:19:03] brion: pure google? [22:19:15] YuviPanda: it's apparently slightly not pure google [22:19:19] versus the nexus4 which is pure google [22:19:20] brion, S4 mini doesn't kick ass strong enough? [22:19:28] brion: that never ends well, does it? [22:19:32] MaxSem: if i could remove the last bits of TouchWiz that'd be awesome :) [22:19:47] but it's actually pretty nice, i prefer its smaller size over the nexus 4 or larger phones [22:20:01] screen quality is not as good though (a mere 256dpi amoled) [22:20:13] brion: here's the branch (just the one commit presently) https://github.com/montehurd/Commons-iOS/tree/autoLayout [22:22:18] whee [22:49:20] (03PS13) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Removed X-CS dependency in HTML content rewriting [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76201 (owner: 10Yurik) [22:49:21] (03PS5) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Handle MobileFrontendBeforeDOM hook instead of double parsing [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/75289 (owner: 10Yurik) [22:56:15] (03PS2) 10MaxSem: Uncomment token check in Special:MobileOptions [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80389 [23:04:51] (03PS14) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Removed X-CS dependency in HTML content rewriting [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/76201 (owner: 10Yurik) [23:12:31] hey tfinc, check it out: http://www.civicactions.com/blog/2012/oct/10/five_tips_for_using_trello_for_scrum [23:12:40] thanks Maryana [23:12:53] some good tips/ideas there [23:41:26] kaldari, css display:none works niftily. i just $( "" ).show() to get it back on nice js devices. thx [23:42:00] cool [23:42:30] kaldari, now for those uas that ignore css. oy. [23:43:32] also if you're doing your show() from a resourceLoader module, you'll probably want to set it to position:top, so that you don't get a flash from the content changing after the page load [23:43:53] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Nearby bug fixes [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80684 [23:43:54] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: Continue merging of Special:Nearby into generic component [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80685 [23:43:55] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: merge SpecialNearby with Nearby [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80686 [23:43:56] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: Complete merging of special nearby code with nearby pages code [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80687 [23:45:12] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Hygiene: Continue merging of Special:Nearby into generic component [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80685 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [23:47:48] (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: merge SpecialNearby with Nearby [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80686 [23:47:49] (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: Complete merging of special nearby code with nearby pages code [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80687 [23:47:50] (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: Continue merging of Special:Nearby into generic component [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80685