[00:07:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MaxSem: Move red link removal to MobileFormatter [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83592 
[00:24:43] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, should I override doEditSectionLink in SkinMinerva or SkinMobile?
[00:24:55] <jdlrobson>	 Always choose SkinMinerva if you can jgonera 
[00:24:57] <jgonera>	 SkinMobile I guess since there's not editor in Minerva?
[00:24:58] <jdlrobson>	 SkinMobile should die
[00:25:02] <jgonera>	 well...
[00:25:15] <jgonera>	 then we get useless edit links in Minerva no?
[00:25:31] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, ^
[00:25:45] <jdlrobson>	 jgonera: well hopefully in next 2 days we can get the same section markup on SkinMinerva
[00:26:01] <jdlrobson>	 i guess SkinMobile will do for time being until that though :)
[00:26:01] <jgonera>	 ok, so I put it in SkinMinerva then?
[00:26:06] <jgonera>	 ok ;)
[00:26:12] <jdlrobson>	 jgonera: well.. see what it looks like in desktop mode :)
[00:26:25] <jdlrobson>	 if it works/looks ok do it - otherwise do it in SkinMobile
[00:26:34] <jgonera>	 we don't load editor JS in desktop mode so I assume broken
[00:34:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10JGonera: Override Skin::doEditSectionLink [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83597 
[00:35:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Override Skin::doEditSectionLink [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83597 (owner: 10JGonera)
[00:41:00] <jgonera>	 MaxSem, can you have a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83597/ and tell me if the tests fail because I broke something or I just need to update them?
[17:14:06] <tfinc>	 YuviPanda: where are you ?
[17:14:22] <tfinc>	 YuviPanda: you know were not in the office right ? were @ spur
[17:17:18] <brion>	 iOS 7 coming september 18
[17:18:50] <tfinc>	 mhurd: --^
[17:18:59] <tfinc>	 i'm catching up on it here http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/10/apple-iphone-liveblog-2013/
[17:19:17] <mhurd>	 tfinc: oh yeah that's today
[17:19:17] <brion>	 i'm watching the are technica one :) http://live.arstechnica.com/apple-september-10-event/
[17:20:16] <mhurd>	 brion: auto layout just in time for iOS 7 :)
[17:20:22] <brion>	 \o/
[17:20:44] <brion>	 i wonder if they're gonna do a final version seed to test on
[17:21:26] <brion>	 ooh, iWork apps are free now
[17:22:46] <brion>	 here comes the new iphone...
[17:23:05] <brion>	 please no new screen resolution
[17:23:12] <brion>	 though with auto layout we'd be ready soon ;)
[17:26:40] * tfinc  waits for the 5C price

[17:26:49] <tfinc>	 retina and A6
[17:27:06] <brion>	 i want my retina iPad mini...
[17:27:10] <brion>	 and a retina macbook air
[17:28:37] <brion>	 '$99 with contract'… what's the real price :P
[17:28:39] <tfinc>	 99/199
[17:31:04] <tfinc>	 "iPhone 5C is beautifully, unapologetically plastic."
[17:31:22] <brion>	 plastics…. it's the future
[17:31:41] <tfinc>	 brion: do you see yuvi about /
[17:31:42] <tfinc>	 ?
[17:31:55] <brion>	 tfinc: don't see him
[17:32:00] <tfinc>	 grrr
[17:32:20] <brion>	 eh just arrived :D
[17:32:26] <brion>	 *he
[17:32:44] <Reedy>	 bad Yuvi
[17:33:58] <tfinc>	 brion: mhurd: YuviPanda: i'll chair the app team intro. think of one thing your really proud of to share with the engineering dept.
[17:34:24] * tfinc  debates about one thing you shouldn't have done as well :)

[17:34:30] <brion>	 four-click sharing to Commons on android :D
[17:34:39] <brion>	 well plus typing
[17:35:16] <brion>	 gold iPhone is real!
[17:35:30] <brion>	 bling bling
[17:35:31] <tfinc>	 all hail our new gold iphone overlords 
[17:36:36] <brion>	 64bit wtf
[17:36:37] <tfinc>	 A7 fancy
[17:36:40] <brion>	 whoooooooooooa
[17:36:46] <tfinc>	 mhurd: --^
[17:36:48] <brion>	 another arch to build for? :P
[17:37:21] <mhurd>	 brion: huh!
[17:37:36] <brion>	 there BETTER be another Xcode seed with this
[17:37:47] <brion>	 i hate when they spring shit like this at the last minute
[17:39:21] <tfinc>	 god damnit there is going to be another xcode just for this
[17:39:38] <tfinc>	 time to upgrade mhurd
[17:39:44] <brion>	 yyyyyyup
[17:39:48] <brion>	 download another few gigs
[17:40:13] <mhurd>	 tfinc: gah! haha
[17:50:20] <tfinc>	 dfoy: you about @ tech days ?
[17:52:11] <dfoy>	 tfinc: not this morning but will attend when it's back at WMF
[17:52:14] <brion>	 wonder if they have a new iPod touch coming too
[17:52:26] <brion>	 otherwise we'll have to get a full iPhone 5S to test the 64-bit :P
[17:52:49] <tfinc>	 guess i'll have to do the wp:zero introduction then. you were listed under it but i can take it
[17:53:58] <dfoy>	 tfinc: I didn't hear about the introduction or off-site until I got into the office this morning
[17:54:09] <tfinc>	 no worries 
[17:54:20] <dfoy>	 tfinc: ok thx
[18:00:24] <Reedy>	 Has it got more than 4GB of memory then?
[18:00:33] <Reedy>	 Or is this just prep work..
[18:04:03] <brion>	 might just be prep work
[18:04:08] <brion>	 otherwise it seems confusing yeah
[18:04:24] <brion>	 though maybe the 64-bit ARM ISA is awesome than the 32-bit one, i haven't researched that
[18:04:45] <brion>	 that's one of the reasons for going 64-bit on x86_64… it's just a better ISA than the 32-bit one
[18:05:04] <YuviPanda>	 hey brion
[18:05:13] <brion>	 yo
[18:05:58] <brion>	 iPhone 5s available…. september 20
[18:06:06] <YuviPanda>	 that was quick
[18:10:29] <brion>	 hmm no mac os x 10.9 announcements?
[18:10:54] <brion>	 i really want to upgrade my MBP, the multi-monitor improvements are great
[18:10:59] <brion>	 but i need a working version of Xcode first :P
[18:15:22] <tfinc>	 brion: it was iPad mini retina or bust for me
[18:15:38] <brion>	 bust it is then :(
[18:15:47] * tfinc  explodes

[18:16:08] <brion>	 :(
[18:21:58] <YuviPanda>	 brion: hey
[18:22:13] <YuviPanda>	 brion: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83082/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83568/
[18:22:15] <YuviPanda>	 :D
[18:41:45] <brion>	 sonofa
[18:41:57] <brion>	 YuviPanda: ok you might actually have to …. de-parse that if it's wiki parsed :)
[18:42:04] <YuviPanda>	 brion: hmm?
[18:42:10] <brion>	 double-check what happens if you put formatting or &eacute; or something in the title there
[18:42:39] <YuviPanda>	 brion: hmm, I put a < in there, it came out as &lt; on the <title>
[18:42:47] <brion>	 yeah :(
[18:42:55] <brion>	 lemme find the handy text-from-html function
[18:43:00] <YuviPanda>	 brion: why?
[18:43:15] <YuviPanda>	 brion: <title> can't contain HTML
[18:43:16] <brion>	 YuviPanda: wait, it's &lt; in the HTML? or it's &lt; in the display in the browser?
[18:43:23] <YuviPanda>	 brion: &lt; in the html
[18:43:26] <YuviPanda>	 brion: displays as <
[18:43:29] <YuviPanda>	 brion: and I think that's okay.
[18:43:42] <brion>	 hmmmmm ok let's leave it as-is for now then
[18:43:45] <YuviPanda>	 brion: this is the title, and the reason it is wikitext is because people can do i18n easily.
[18:43:48] * brion  is just always suspicious :DD

[18:43:51] <brion>	 yeah
[18:43:55] <brion>	 the i18n makes sense!
[18:44:06] <YuviPanda>	 :D
[18:44:08] <YuviPanda>	 it is good
[18:45:01] <YuviPanda>	 brion: so I'm not sure of the comment either, since setHTMLTitle does escaping itself.
[18:45:17] <brion>	 yeah… the method name is deceptive
[18:45:21] <brion>	 let's just merge it as-is :D
[18:46:34] <YuviPanda>	 brion: hehe, internal method names that make no sense? NO WAY! :P
[18:46:48] <brion>	 what is this, some kind of decade-old project?
[18:46:50] <brion>	 at least it's not java
[18:47:13] <YuviPanda>	 hehe
[18:47:14] <YuviPanda>	 true that
[18:47:21] <mhurd>	 brion: OpenGL ES 3.0 support! yay!
[18:48:14] * brion  checks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_ES#OpenGL.C2.A0ES.C2.A03.0

[18:48:39] <brion>	 ugh they used non-breaking spaces in a section name?
[18:48:43] <brion>	 that's…. insane
[18:48:49] <YuviPanda>	 hahaha
[18:54:42] <brion>	 c'mon apple, where the damn final iOS 7 and Xcode 5 seeds!?
[18:54:47] * brion  grumbles

[19:50:50] <brion>	 "Developing for iOS 7 GM seed"
[20:35:20] <jdlrobson>	 jgonera: it's just the other side
[20:35:42] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, be there in a few minutes
[20:36:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10JGonera: Override Skin::doEditSectionLink [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83597 
[20:39:40] <brion>	 "The iPod “iPod touch” cannot be used because it requires iTunes version 11.1 or later."
[20:39:42] <brion>	 *rolleyes*
[20:39:48] <brion>	 one more download!
[20:45:23] <jdlrobson>	 brion https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WikimediaEngineering2013-FrontEndRfc
[20:45:48] <brion>	 \o/
[20:45:57] <jdlrobson>	 brion: correction.. https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WikimediaEngineering2013-FrontEndRfC
[20:46:01] <jdlrobson>	 the c should be uppercase
[20:46:06] <jdlrobson>	 haha
[20:54:41] <brion>	 for some reason i can't install the Xcode 5 command-line tools
[20:54:48] <brion>	 apple download server is rejecting my permissions. nice.
[20:55:15] <mhurd>	 brion: gah! my iOS 7 gm install may have failed :( oh apple
[20:55:32] <brion>	 :(
[20:55:51] <brion>	 damn… the fading bug is still there
[20:56:15] <mhurd>	 brion: doh!
[20:59:45] <mhurd>	 brion: so apparently it didn't back up like it usually does when i started the update… unsure if photos etc are lost… nooooo!
[20:59:58] <brion>	 awesome. :(
[21:10:34] <brion>	 mhurd: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/iOS-7-issues <- some notes from a quick run of auto layout branch on iOS 7 GM
[21:10:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10JGonera: [C: 032] Hygiene: Complete merging of special nearby code with nearby pages code [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80687 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[21:11:36] <mhurd>	 brion: ah! good stuff! will tweak
[21:11:57] <brion>	 whee
[21:12:12] <brion>	 navbar stuff is probably from our customized drawing
[21:12:18] <brion>	 can just switch that off on 7+ probably
[21:13:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Hygiene: Complete merging of special nearby code with nearby pages code [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80687 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[21:14:00] <mhurd>	 brion: iOS 7 may be sizing view controller default view frames a bit differently - i think the auto layout constraints can be tweaked to make nav bars happy
[21:14:25] <brion>	 spiff
[21:20:27] <brion>	 yay command-line tools install now
[21:27:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10JGonera: Bug 53182: Don't show new pages editor for newly created pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81371 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[21:28:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10JGonera: [C: 032] Bug 53182: Don't show new pages editor for newly created pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81371 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[21:28:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Bug 53182: Don't show new pages editor for newly created pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81371 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[21:35:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MaxSem: Move fancy image removal from HtmlFormatter to MobileFormatter [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83760 
[22:34:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10JGonera: Regression: Fix PageApi for non-existent pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83767 
[22:52:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "Will this require a cache flush?" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83597 (owner: 10JGonera)
[22:52:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "ignore.. read the code ;-)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83597 (owner: 10JGonera)
[22:55:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10JGonera: Hygiene: Change image viewer route [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83769 
[22:56:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 031] "code looks fine - just need to test some more." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83561 (owner: 10JGonera)
[22:57:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 04-1] "recheck" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83024 (owner: 10JGonera)
[23:00:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 04-1] "I'd really like us to simply enable red links again. Let's talk to Kenan about doing this and see if we can remove this code altogether." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83592 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[23:01:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 032] Regression: Fix PageApi for non-existent pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83767 (owner: 10JGonera)
[23:01:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Regression: Fix PageApi for non-existent pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83767 (owner: 10JGonera)
[23:04:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10MaxSem: "This can take a couple of weeks, while I want to move forward with core integration during tech days. Does it matter from which class the" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83592 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[23:04:38] <OuKB>	 jdlrobson, ^^
[23:05:21] * jdlrobson  waves at OuKB. It takes 5 minutes to remove. Let me have a chat with Kenan later today :)

[23:05:45] <jdlrobson>	 but it doesn't matter - i'm happy to merge I'd just like to have that conversation first :)
[23:06:16] <OuKB>	 jdlrobson, you can't remove it w/o supporting action=edit and page creation. could you please stop -1'ing over tangential concerns?
[23:06:30] <jdlrobson>	 OuKB: we support page creation :)
[23:06:57] <jdlrobson>	 ok removed -1 but it won't get me reviewing it any faster :)
[23:07:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10JGonera: Regression: make image viewer full screen again [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83770 
[23:07:57] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, can you check if that brings back the weird bug that Michelle reported and we fixed ^
[23:08:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 04-1] "(1 comment)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83770 (owner: 10JGonera)
[23:08:51] <jdlrobson>	 jgonera: if i get time i'll do that later but just one comment ^
[23:09:22] <jgonera>	 ok, checking how similar they are
[23:09:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Kaldari: [C: 031] "Agree with Jon, but I don't think it should necessarily block this change." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83592 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[23:09:52] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, quick answer: not in this patch, one is a class of body and the other class of html...
[23:10:21] <jdlrobson>	 could use the same rule applied to 2 places though no? also probably needs a FIXME?
[23:10:52] <jgonera>	 how? a less mixin for body { height: 100%; } ? seems like too little for a mixin...
[23:11:27] <jdlrobson>	 i mean .navigation-enabled, .overlay-enabled body { height: 100%; }
[23:13:36] <jgonera>	 well yes, what about it?
[23:13:56] <jgonera>	 how do you want to merge .navigation-enabled and .overlay-enabled? they're too different
[23:14:15] <jgonera>	 another class just for body { height: 100%; } ? too much overhead for such a small thing
[23:16:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10JGonera: "(1 comment)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83770 (owner: 10JGonera)
[23:17:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10JGonera: "It's not going to work until jshint is updated on whatever Jenkins runs on. I'll ask around again." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83024 (owner: 10JGonera)
[23:37:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 032] "FYI just talked with Kenan. He's happy for us to enable red links in alpha/beta. I'm going to write a follow up patch." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83592 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[23:38:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Move red link removal to MobileFormatter [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83592 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[23:51:35] <brion>	 new iOS design guidelines, whee https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/MobileHIG/index.html