[00:03:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Interstitial zerodot File: and Image: links on non-NS_ZERO pages. Fixes bug 55819. [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90270 
[00:04:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Kaldari: "(1 comment)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90068 (owner: 10JGonera)
[00:06:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Interstitial zerodot File: and Image: links on non-NS_ZERO pages. Fixes bug 55819. [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90270 
[00:38:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MaxSem: Bug 55815 - SpecialMobileWatchlist ignores rc_deleted [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90274 
[00:38:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10MaxSem: [C: 032] "Already in production." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90274 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[00:38:51] <MaxSem>	 kaldari, ^
[00:39:09] <kaldari>	 ah cool :)
[00:40:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Bug 55815 - SpecialMobileWatchlist ignores rc_deleted [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90274 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[03:39:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Regression: Fix watchlist a-z [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90286 
[03:46:39] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: hey dude
[03:47:07] <jdlrobson>	 hey awjr 
[03:47:10] <jdlrobson>	 see my fix?
[03:47:13] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: looking now
[03:49:05] <awjr>	 ergh
[03:49:31] <awjr>	 fix looks OK at first glance, but i want to understand better what max was trying to do before i merge a partial reversion
[03:49:42] <awjr>	 so this'll take a few minutes of digging
[03:55:58] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: do you understand what max was trying to fix?
[03:56:05] <awjr>	 he didn't make any comments
[03:56:20] <jdlrobson>	 not entirely awjr but he's trying to get a field from a field which doesn't exist
[03:56:27] <jdlrobson>	 *a field from a tablr
[03:56:38] <jdlrobson>	 rc_deleted is a property on the feed table
[03:56:41] <jdlrobson>	 not not the watch list table
[03:56:57] <jdlrobson>	 didn't this get deployed somewhere btw?
[03:57:04] <jdlrobson>	 it must be effecting a production server somewhere no?
[03:57:15] <awjr>	 yeah i think he deployed it everywhere
[03:57:22] <awjr>	 are you not seeing it in prod? i havent checked yet
[03:57:29] <jdlrobson>	 i haven't seen it in production
[03:58:05] <awjr>	 huh, he said it's in prod in the email, subject 'mobilefrontend security changes'
[03:58:32] <awjr>	 it might not be on the wikipedia wikis yet
[03:58:50] <awjr>	 ....
[03:59:02] <awjr>	 oh, it may have already been reverted because of the error
[03:59:14] <awjr>	 lemme see if i can dig this out of the server admin log
[03:59:45] <awjr>	 huh
[04:02:36] <awjr>	 as far as i can tell it should be live in production on all wikis
[04:03:44] <awjr>	 oh it's a php notice that's why
[04:04:02] <awjr>	 just a warning, which is suppressed from user view in production
[04:04:04] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: ^
[04:04:40] <awjr>	 so it's not actually a huge deal
[04:04:49] <jdlrobson>	 mm
[04:05:10] <jdlrobson>	 are you sure that all production warnings suppress it and that it doesn't fill up a log somewhere/
[04:05:49] <awjr>	 heh if we couldn't handle a shitload of php warnings in a log somewhere we'd be in real trouble :p
[04:06:04] <awjr>	 im not saying we shouldnt fix it but i dont think we need to rush it
[04:06:17] <awjr>	 i want to understand what max was doing before making any changes
[04:06:29] <awjr>	 it would be nice if he wasn't so cryptic...
[04:08:45] <awjr>	 im actually not seeing any notices in the fatalmonitor on fenari
[04:08:57] <awjr>	 but it may be sampled and that particular view probably doesn't get hit very often
[04:09:33] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: rather than try to get to the bottom of this now, im going to mail out about it and shake my finger at max for being cryptic and let him deal with it in the morning
[04:09:45] <awjr>	 sound ok?
[04:10:05] <jdlrobson>	 ok awjr sounds good
[04:10:17] <jdlrobson>	 Yeh he should have explained more on mail
[04:10:17] <awjr>	 thanks jdlrobson and thanks for jumping on it :)
[04:10:23] <jdlrobson>	 and it shouldn't have been such a rushed merge
[04:10:34] <jdlrobson>	 it's been like that since the beginning of time
[04:19:40] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: ok, mail sent
[04:19:50] * awjr  goes back to his beer

[04:19:54] <jdlrobson>	 :)
[04:21:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Awjrichards: [C: 031] "looks fine and does what it advertises, but i want to wait to merge until we have a better understanding of what Max was trying to address" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90286 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[04:22:00] <awjr>	 man betalabs is hosed
[04:22:36] <awjr>	 oh it looks like an ssl issu
[04:22:37] <awjr>	 e
[05:40:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "(1 comment)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/89282 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[07:55:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: "(1 comment)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/88912 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[07:58:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "L10n/i18n reviewed." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/87427 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[08:19:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Kaldari: [C: 032] "Yes, the feed includes recentchanges data, the list does not." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90286 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[08:19:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Regression: Fix watchlist a-z [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90286 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[11:25:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Zfilipin: Updated Ruby gems [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90312 
[16:50:11] <Steinsplitter>	 hi,  wmf staff for the wikimedia-commons-mobile(-app) around?
[16:52:03] <MaxSem>	 YuviPanda|zzz, ^
[16:53:05] <Steinsplitter>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MobileUpload-related_deletion_requests Upload you Copyright Violations where you want.
[16:53:27] <Steinsplitter>	 we hav too many _mobile_ upload related copyright violations
[16:53:39] <Steinsplitter>	 is it possible to include a _filter_ ?
[16:54:16] <Steinsplitter>	  MobileUpload-related deletion requests/deleted‎ = 2328 P , and a lot of speedydeletions
[16:55:21] <Steinsplitter>	 see also: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mobile_uploads_lacking_EXIF_data, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mobile_uploads_lacking_EXIF_data_and_with_multiple_Tineye_matches ...
[16:55:50] <YuviPanda|zzz>	 Steinsplitter: a good number of them are from mobile web
[16:55:50] <YuviPanda>	 Steinsplitter: not app
[16:55:52] <YuviPanda>	 so you want kenanwang or jdlrobson
[16:56:01] <YuviPanda>	 Steinsplitter: we've been through this before ;)
[16:56:12] <Steinsplitter>	 ah :D okay. 
[16:56:26] <Steinsplitter>	 it is too easy to upload "crap" from the WWW xD
[16:57:07] <greg-g>	 ya'll all good with today's branch/deploy?
[16:57:13] <Steinsplitter>	 YuviPanda: app is good, mobile is evil. :)
[16:57:19] <Steinsplitter>	 *web
[16:57:24] <YuviPanda>	 Steinsplitter: :D
[16:57:31] <YuviPanda>	 Steinsplitter: the consensus of sorts, yeah
[17:06:58] <kenanwang>	 jcmish_lunch: hey you around for our 1:1
[17:06:59] <kenanwang>	 ?
[17:10:10] <MaxSem>	 kenanwang, Steinsplitter was complaining about the number of crap uploaded from mobile web
[17:10:28] <kenanwang>	 MaxSem: where?
[17:10:39] <Steinsplitter>	 18:53:07 - Steinsplitter: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MobileUpload-related_deletion_requests Upload you Copyright Violations where you want.
[17:10:39] <Steinsplitter>	 18:53:29 - Steinsplitter: we hav too many _mobile_ upload related copyright violations
[17:10:39] <Steinsplitter>	 18:53:41 - Steinsplitter: is it possible to include a _filter_ ?
[17:10:39] <Steinsplitter>	 18:54:19 - Steinsplitter: MobileUpload-related deletion requests/deleted‎ = 2328 P , and a lot of speedydeletions
[17:10:39] <Steinsplitter>	 18:54:41 - jcmish heißt nun jcmish_lunch.
[17:10:39] <Steinsplitter>	 18:55:24 - Steinsplitter: see also: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mobile_uploads_lacking_EXIF_data, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mobile_uploads_lacking_EXIF_data_and_with_multiple_Tineye_matches ...
[17:10:51] <Steinsplitter>	 hi ;-)
[17:12:20] <kenanwang>	 Hi Steinsplitter!
[17:13:05] <Steinsplitter>	 it is too easy to upload copyright violations & crap via mobile ;-)
[17:14:01] <kenanwang>	 Well what's interesting is that our app get's phenomenally good quality photos, those get deleted at a rate that is even lower than desktop
[17:14:19] <kenanwang>	 Where we see issues is with mobile web
[17:14:45] <jcmish>	 kenanwang: nope I have the crappiest internet connection while here in Mass so I can't do any hangouts
[17:14:52] <jcmish>	 did you get my email? 
[17:15:18] <Steinsplitter>	 kenanwang: speedydeletions not listed ;-)
[17:15:41] <Steinsplitter>	 i ask, if it is possible to include a filter?
[17:16:19] <Steinsplitter>	 to disable uploads with no exif by brand new users 
[17:16:25] <Steinsplitter>	 for example
[17:16:36] <Steinsplitter>	 with abusefilter it is not possible to scan uploads :-(
[17:16:44] <Steinsplitter>	 *the content
[17:18:06] <kenanwang>	 Steinsplitter: sorry trying to do a couple things at one time
[17:18:16] <Steinsplitter>	 (it is not a complain, a question :D)
[17:18:21] <Steinsplitter>	 ok
[17:18:43] <kenanwang>	 jcmish: yes, so we need to sign off or not sign off on these features
[17:18:58] <kenanwang>	 jcmish: what's your feeling? We  can sign off on the limn graph
[17:19:23] <jcmish>	 The CTA one is the question. I saw it work a few days back before beta labs went wonky
[17:19:35] <jcmish>	 but I thought we can see how it looks on test2 once it's out there
[17:19:42] <kenanwang>	 you saw the getting started right? did you check if it came up and didn't come up in the different circumstances?
[17:19:44] <jcmish>	 because now I can't tell if it's beta labs or something wrong
[17:20:13] <kenanwang>	 i.e. it only comes up for mobile account creations with no previous edits?
[17:20:19] <jcmish>	 yeah I did you only see it when you edit for the first time
[17:20:28] <jcmish>	 right 
[17:20:41] <jcmish>	 but I still plan to double check it on test2
[17:20:41] <jcmish>	 today
[17:20:51] <jcmish>	 and then have you do the same if it's still working fine
[17:20:58] <jcmish>	 how's that?
[17:21:07] <kenanwang>	 OK so let's let them all through on the deployment train 
[17:21:12] <kenanwang>	 and we'll look on test2
[17:21:47] <jcmish>	 yupper
[17:23:03] <kenanwang>	 do we need to do anything in mingle?
[17:24:26] <kenanwang>	 Steinsplitter: brief glance at the links you sent do seem to illustrate your point
[17:25:00] <kenanwang>	 I'll chat with Tomasz here, he is the product manager for the mobile apps team until the end of the month
[17:26:02] <Steinsplitter>	 kenanwang: :-)
[17:26:46] <kenanwang>	 Next steps for us would be to flesh out your proposal and to get data backing the idea that no exif by brand new users do in fact get deleted at an unacceptable rate
[17:27:52] <kenanwang>	 My concern on the other end is making sure that we don't discourage users that are genuinely trying to learn the system
[17:28:16] <Steinsplitter>	 :-)
[17:28:29] <kenanwang>	 I'm going to create a ticket, would you be ok with us bringing you into future conversations Steinsplitter?
[17:28:32] <jcmish>	 kenanwang: just the echo schema stuff which I assume we can just call good along with Limn? 
[17:28:35] <kenanwang>	 if so what would be the best way to do so?
[17:28:40] <kenanwang>	 yeah jcmish 
[17:28:42] <Steinsplitter>	 yes :)
[17:28:49] <jcmish>	 k I'll move them over 
[17:29:36] <jcmish>	 awjr: we need to test the CTA edit story when test2 is deployed because of betalabs flakiness
[17:29:55] <jcmish>	 is it okay to leave it on the previous story wall?
[17:30:01] <jcmish>	 I'll move it after we verify
[17:30:18] <jcmish>	 *move it to accepted after we verify
[17:30:21] <Steinsplitter>	 kenanwang: can you add me pleas in the cc of the ticket :-)
[17:32:12] <kenanwang>	 So I'm tracking this in mingle which is our project management board, it is publicly visible, but I'm not sure if there is a cc feature
[17:33:06] <kenanwang>	 but you can choose to watch the ticket
[17:33:07] <Steinsplitter>	 ah, not bugzilla ;-). okay
[17:33:15] <Steinsplitter>	 yes :)
[17:33:15] <kenanwang>	 let me create the ticket and you can watch it
[17:40:55] <kenanwang>	 Steinsplitter:  https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1314
[17:41:06] <kenanwang>	 What would be the best way for me to get in touch with you again?
[17:41:11] <kenanwang>	 talk page? email?
[17:41:38] <Steinsplitter>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Steinsplitter  or steinsplitter@wikipedia.de
[17:43:21] <kenanwang>	 great! I gotta go but thanks for the heads up
[17:43:54] <Steinsplitter>	 thanks to you for working on the mobile-thing :-)   mobile=great / som new user = evil
[17:44:38] <kenanwang>	 ;-) we'll get it
[18:00:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 04-1] "(9 comments)" [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83133 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt)
[18:02:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "(1 comment)" [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83133 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt)
[18:08:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Pass query string parameters to mobile view url [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90062 
[18:12:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Pass query string parameters to mobile view url [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90062 
[18:12:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Pass query string parameters to mobile view url [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90062 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[18:17:54] <kaldari>	 awjr: any thoughts on interview screening tasks?
[18:18:20] <awjr>	 kaldari: yes; although they're not fully formulated yet. i should have feedback sometime this afternoon :)
[18:18:43] <awjr>	 sorry for the slowness, it's been a hectic week
[18:18:58] <kaldari>	 That's OK, you keep the ship on course
[18:19:52] <awjr>	 :D
[18:35:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Add topics to the correct namespace [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90079 
[18:57:01] * MaxSem  kicks parser

[19:11:02] <T13|sleeps>	 Reedy https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Work_with_us_-_Wikimedia_Foundation.png
[19:11:11] <T13|sleeps>	 Or whomever.
[19:11:16] <T13|sleeps>	 I copy pasted...
[19:11:20] <Reedy>	 I'm not mobile ;)
[19:12:07] <T13|sleeps>	 Yeah, copy paste from mobile not an exact science... lol
[19:12:23] <mutante>	 ah, you are already reporting here, good, thx
[19:13:16] <T13|sleeps>	 mutante: this is one of my autojoin channels..
[19:13:18] <T13|sleeps>	 Lol
[19:15:38] <mutante>	 kk:)
[19:17:36] <T13|sleeps>	 Apparently there are no mobile people here atm and my battery is abput to die.
[19:17:47] <T13|sleeps>	 Maybe ryan...
[19:17:52] <kaldari>	 awjr: the interview task issue is going to be hashed out over lunch in a bit. any quick thoughts you want to throw in?
[19:18:02] <T13|sleeps>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Work_with_us_-_Wikimedia_Foundation.png
[19:18:04] <awjr>	 kaldari: im about to send my mail
[19:18:10] <kaldari>	 cool
[19:18:17] <awjr>	 kaldari: jut hit send :)
[19:18:45] <T13|sleeps>	 Apparently mobile pages aren't loading content.
[19:19:25] <awjr>	 T13|sleeps: http://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects is loading content
[19:19:44] <awjr>	 http://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us is however empty
[19:20:00] <awjr>	 until you click the link 'mobile view' http://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us/Mobile
[19:20:07] <awjr>	 so it's not really empty
[19:20:11] <awjr>	 it's just really weird
[19:20:41] <awjr>	 i dont think that's a software issue but rather an issue with how whoever built that page prepared a separate mobile version of the content
[19:20:51] <T13|sleeps>	 Which loads a bulleted list which doesn't seem to be the same content as viewing in desktop mode.
[19:21:30] <awjr>	 T13|sleeps: it looks like Heather Walls is the one who prepared that page, i recommend reaching out to her and/or WMF HR
[19:21:45] <T13|sleeps>	 Then it needs to get fixed properly and trout whomever.
[19:22:03] * T13|sleeps  trouts heatherw.

[19:22:40] <awjr>	 heh T13|sleeps i'll shoot them an email
[19:23:22] <T13|sleeps>	 Kk battery is at 4% now... lol
[19:24:29] <mutante>	 it says "Go to mobile view" but also that Mobile view is already selected?
[19:24:34] <mutante>	 awjr: ^ that's what i found confusing about it, yea
[19:24:53] <awjr>	 yeah, it's weird :(
[19:24:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "Note this patch is approaching 2 months old and has had no activity since then and will be abandoned when it hits that anniversary unless " [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/80324 (owner: 10MaxSem)
[19:30:07] <Technical_13|UMA>	 Okay, I'm on a University computer.
[19:30:20] <Technical_13|UMA>	 I've got about 20 minutes until the bus gets here.
[19:30:23] <awjr>	 Technical_13|UMA, mutante: just sent a mail out to the appropriate folks
[19:30:26] <Technical_13|UMA>	 heatherw: :)
[19:30:37] <Technical_13|UMA>	 Okay.  
[19:30:59] <Technical_13|UMA>	 If there is a Bugzilla ticket, please CC me as well.
[19:31:11] <heatherw>	 are you talking about the same thing?
[19:31:48] <mutante>	 yea, the mobile view of the jobs page
[19:32:01] <Technical_13|UMA>	 The no content on that page until you click the link to navigate to another page which has different content than the desktop version of the first page?  Yeah.
[19:32:10] <awjr>	 Technical_13|UMA: i didnt file a bugzilla bug since it's not a software issue
[19:32:41] <heatherw>	 what do you mean by different content?
[19:32:45] <heatherw>	 it has the list of jobs
[19:32:51] <heatherw>	 which is what it needs to have
[19:33:06] <mutante>	 heatherw: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Work_with_us_-_Wikimedia_Foundation.png
[19:33:10] <Technical_13|UMA>	 I mean there is a bulleted list on the linked mobile page and on the desktop page there is a big table with all kinds of extra information on it.
[19:33:16] <heatherw>	 yes i know, i made it :)
[19:33:41] <heatherw>	 what table?
[19:35:17] <heatherw>	 i made the page for mobile because the page with images doesn't work there. it only needs the job list. are you saying it should have more information than the job list?
[19:36:01] <Technical_13|UMA>	 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us
[19:36:38] <Technical_13|UMA>	 The only part that shows up on mobile is the section in the gray box in the middle... there is a lot of content missing.
[19:36:46] <heatherw>	 yes i know
[19:37:22] <heatherw>	 it's not missing, it's just a page for people who are looking for the jobs list from mobile.
[19:38:38] <heatherw>	 if you want to copy all of the other information from the page onto the bottom of the mobile page - and keep it updated - feel free.
[19:38:40] <Technical_13|UMA>	 It's fine to have a seperate list page, but the primary page with all of the benefits and links to other resources should be available from mobile too.
[19:39:39] <mutante>	 i think originally he just wanted to say there is no content on it until you follow another link to "mobile version" while at the same time it claims it alrady shows you the mobile version
[19:39:53] <heatherw>	 yes, that is unfortunate
[19:40:12] <heatherw>	 but i don't know what to do about that, either
[19:41:19] <mutante>	 heatherw: a different question about that page. were the jobs subpages of "Job_openings" before?
[19:41:19] <mutante>	 jorm requested we have links like this a little while ago http://jobs.wikimedia.org/foo  and they take you to the former job pages,.. just fyi
[19:41:23] <heatherw>	 if we just leave the normal page on mobile, it's too hard for people to get to the job listings
[19:41:55] <heatherw>	 there used to be 3 pages
[19:42:05] <heatherw>	 yes
[19:42:08] <Technical_13|UMA>	 I gotta go catch a bus...
[19:42:19] <Technical_13|UMA>	 I'll be back as soon as i can.
[19:48:57] <kaldari>	 jdlrobson: What are your thoughts on rewriting the last edited code? I'd be happy to work on it more if you can tell me what you have in mind
[19:49:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Cmcmahon: Updated Ruby gems [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90312 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[19:49:14] <jdlrobson>	 kaldari: i'm taking a look now
[19:49:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Cmcmahon: [C: 032] "maintenance" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90312 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[19:49:25] <jdlrobson>	 i'm having a poke around will grab you when i've made more sense of it
[19:50:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Updated Ruby gems [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90312 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[19:58:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10JGonera: Hygiene: Clean up overlays.less and pagelist.less [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90068 
[20:02:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Brion VIBBER: Bump to 1.0.0.33; remove non en-us languages for now [apps/win8/wikipedia] (win8) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90426 
[20:02:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] "quickie build fix" [apps/win8/wikipedia] (win8) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90426 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[20:17:55] <jgonera>	 kaldari, let me know when you have some time to have a look at the notifications css
[20:18:27] <kaldari>	 jgonera: OK, I'm going to work on finishing up this task stuff first, since we need it ASAP
[20:18:42] <jgonera>	 sure
[20:56:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Brion VIBBER: build config updates & remove the non-English languages from store list temporarily [apps/win8/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90434 
[20:57:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] "quick build fixes for a small bugfix push" [apps/win8/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90434 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[21:05:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10JGonera: Hygiene: Clean up editor.js [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90435 
[21:44:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1262: Adding user to last modified [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90443 
[21:47:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1262: Adding user to last modified [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90443 
[22:22:48] <jdlrobson>	 jgonera: $wmgUseEventLogging = true;
[22:22:56] <jdlrobson>	 $wgMFLogEvents = true
[22:29:36] <jdlrobson>	 jgonera: https://gist.github.com/jdlrobson/7033455
[22:39:37] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, how do you debug JS after the RL refactoring? I sometimes JS errors with nonsensical stack traces...
[22:40:45] <jgonera>	 jdlrobson, ok, nvm
[22:45:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1262: Adding user to last modified [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90443 
[23:08:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS36) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Hide charge-inducing features. Intercept link interstitials sooner. [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83133 
[23:11:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Dr0ptp4kt: "(10 comments)" [extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/83133 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt)
[23:12:43] <dr0ptp4kt>	 ^jdlrobson, done. your review and +1, and then finally a reply-all email back to the thread with yuri, dan, kenan, juliusz, arthur, and me would be appreciated.
[23:13:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10JGonera: Story 1281: Promote section level editing tutorial A/B test to stable [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90450 
[23:19:27] <tfinc>	 mhurd: brion YuviPanda|zzz : i'm now seeing one downside to re-using the same board for each sprint. no easy way to see what was completed for the previous sprints when writing our quarterly review
[23:19:55] <mhurd>	 tfinc: oh… that's not good
[23:20:39] <tfinc>	 now i can see all the changes within the activity window but there isn't a high level view of it
[23:20:47] <tfinc>	 awjr: does mingle make that simpler ?
[23:21:08] <awjr>	 tfinc yes
[23:21:30] <awjr>	 tfinc: for instance, here's the sprint wall from our last sprint: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards?favorite_id=10051&view=Previous+Iteration+story+wall
[23:21:44] <awjr>	 speaking of which kenanwang looks like #1072 still hasn't been accepted from last iteration?
[23:22:35] <awjr>	 tfinc: notice that you can filter that view by specific iterations, so you could populate the view with any iteration we've done in the past (or even ones in the future!)
[23:23:11] <tfinc>	 awjr: yeah. this may get me to go back to separate boards in trello 
[23:23:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10JGonera: "Config change: I04add70605e6d345a02224b59bdbc6f81deffd4a" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90450 (owner: 10JGonera)
[23:23:45] <awjr>	 tfinc lemme know what you wind up doing - besides being curious, it may require an update to bugello's config
[23:24:31] <tfinc>	 ugh. i have to re-open a board to see it. thats dumb as i'm just going to close it after
[23:25:04] <awjr>	 tfinc have you considered maybe switching to mingle?
[23:25:19] <awjr>	 looking over your retro notes it sounds like it might solve some of the things that have been challenging
[23:26:36] <tfinc>	 awjr: what do you have in midn ?
[23:26:37] <tfinc>	 mind*
[23:28:01] <awjr>	 well, under 'what went poorly' i see 'having to maintain a spresheet for velocity', 'trello extension miscounts story points', 'trello extension doesn't count story points sometimes'… 
[23:28:06] <awjr>	 with mingle you get all that for free
[23:28:22] <awjr>	 granted, it's a little more heavy-handed and there's a learning curve
[23:28:42] <awjr>	 but it sounds like you guys are growing needs in tracking, measuring, and reviewing that trello just isn't designed tos upport
[23:28:58] <tfinc>	 yup. i can see crossing that bridge in the future 
[23:29:06] <tfinc>	 but not just yet
[23:29:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10JGonera: Fix wrong variable in a template [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90452 
[23:29:52] <tfinc>	 awjr: but your right that i'm missing all the admin bits that mingle gives you out of the box
[23:30:07] <awjr>	 tfinc: what is keeping you on trello for now?
[23:30:16] <tfinc>	 simplicity for the engineers 
[23:30:19] <tfinc>	 its just works
[23:30:24] <tfinc>	 and doesn't ever get in our way
[23:30:52] <awjr>	 except for when it's miscounting your story points :p
[23:30:53] <tfinc>	 and thus far i (scrummaster) am the only one who's running into issues 
[23:31:00] <awjr>	 fair enough
[23:31:17] <awjr>	 it is so brilliantly simple and easy to use
[23:31:23] <awjr>	 mingle is… not that.
[23:31:28] <tfinc>	 so we'll see. i've been up front with the team that as our needs change we'll have to consider it
[23:31:46] <tfinc>	 but i don't want it to happen just because i need it to 
[23:31:47] <awjr>	 sigh maybe wes hould just build our own tool
[23:31:50] <tfinc>	 the team needs to agree on it
[23:31:58] <tfinc>	 lets not
[23:32:00] <awjr>	 totally
[23:32:02] <awjr>	 heh
[23:37:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1262: Adding user to last modified [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90443 
[23:37:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1258: Move last modified to top of page [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/90454 
[23:44:44] <tfinc>	 brion: can you respond to the google guy?