[00:01:37] ^ awjr just noticed this minor issue with uploads whilst testing if you don't mind looking at it [00:03:12] the upload button jdlrobson? [00:03:40] awjr: yup [00:03:42] jdlrobson: the big skin cleanup merged ok with no rebase :D [00:03:47] or rather, with no conflicts [00:07:29] eh jdlrobson i dont see the problem you mentioned in the commit message, and applying the patch seems to make no difference in how things look to me on Special:Uploads in stable [00:07:47] this is for the big blue 'contribute an image' button? [00:07:53] yeh i see the icon overlap [00:07:56] it seems to depend on load order [00:08:01] oh weird [00:08:57] well the css rule doesn't seem to hurt anything [00:09:24] (03CR) 10Awjrichards: [C: 032] Regression: Fix upload button on Special:Uploads [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95570 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [00:10:03] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Regression: Fix upload button on Special:Uploads [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95570 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [00:29:43] awjr: is there any way to make the popups on mingle show the bugzilla url as a link and save me one click each time? [00:30:12] not that i know of [00:30:28] chrome gadget maybe :p [00:31:42] awjr: haha notice anything weird about this page…? http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileOptions&returnto=Special%3AUploads [00:31:56] kik [00:31:57] er [00:31:58] lol [00:32:03] man ive been doing that all day.. [00:32:11] was that from the language fix? [00:32:38] it seems special pages sometimes show broken languages buttons now.. fixing as we speak [00:32:54] actually jdlrobson the language overlay doesn't appear to be showing language names either [00:33:10] at least on stable [00:33:27] or in beta [00:33:42] awjr: works for me on stable.. [00:34:15] wtf though - i can't replicate the language issue on my local instance :-S [00:34:31] weird, i see the dividers for the languages, although i cant see the lang names nor does tapping on them do anything [00:34:54] FFS [00:34:55] uls-p-lang-dummy [00:34:58] wtf is that [00:35:30] universal language selector horribleness [00:35:56] looks like i need to install universe language selector here [00:36:32] argh there have been a lot of uls issues [00:37:32] languages working fine here.. http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/San_Francisco [00:38:12] awjr: once downloaded i'll raise a bug against UniversalLanguageSelector about uls-p-lang-dummy [00:38:28] awjr: almost gone through the in testing column [00:38:38] yeah langs look fine on sf [00:38:49] try this tho jdlrobson http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=0.8893721290643325_Moved&campaign=random [01:02:47] awjr: do you have that blog post draft up ? [01:02:58] tfinc funny that you mention it [01:03:04] i am making some more edits and then will share [01:03:41] k, i've been tempted to pick up some of the others we've talked about so i want to see yours first [01:15:51] tfinc: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/document/d/1tiwXn_vsFW0bUEyMITjEFX2CIh6V9L5uEFb7R3yBmkc/edit [01:15:54] email coming [01:16:46] fun. i'll start the email and take a spin through it tomorrow [01:16:59] then i'll know which other chapter i want to work on :) [01:17:06] :D [01:17:53] awjr: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57091 not sure what to do about this [01:18:51] well, it's not in production yet jdlrobson [01:19:12] awjr: UniversalLanguageSelector isn't? I thought it was [01:19:14] but it feels urgent to cope with before it does [01:19:14] ? [01:19:22] oh jdlrobson yes, but the issue in the bug is not present in prod [01:19:26] afaict [01:20:01] https://test2.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileOptions&returnto=Main+Page [01:21:00] jdlrobson: but we should follow up with an emial to the language team because it is kinda urgent [01:21:13] you wanna write it since you found the problem? [01:21:19] awjr: sure [01:21:24] what's the right mailing list for that? [01:21:28] do you have their team email? [01:21:28] wikitech? [01:21:28] ah [01:21:49] well [01:21:52] hmm [01:22:01] probably [01:22:03] awjr: i've put it on our story board [01:22:10] we have till next thursday to fix this [01:22:19] more and more we've been using team-specific lists, but i think this is good for the engineering public [01:23:47] legoktm: jdlrobson: ULS is deployed on all WMF wikis [01:24:17] last i heard jdlrobson the language team has been responding quickly to ULS issues, so hopefully this will be no exception [01:24:33] ok cool. well i'll follow up on it tomorrow [01:24:49] i had a look at the code and i'm not quite sure how to resolve it - seems to be a hack in place to ensure language list always shows [01:27:39] awjr: how do i change a config variable on beta labs? [01:28:25] jgonera: are you in india?! [01:28:35] No, on a plane [01:28:48] jdlrobson: in the same config file as you would for prod, but the file ends in -labs [01:28:50] But not airborne [01:28:57] well, filename [01:28:59] o [01:29:08] jgonera: where are you? [01:29:11] newark? [01:29:21] Jdlrobson can you send me your local settings with ve enabled to me email? [01:29:34] Yeah, still Newark. [01:29:38] zomg sarah is cooking bacon and my office is right next to our kitchen [01:29:41] it's really hard to concentrate [01:30:07] are you flying direct to india from there? [01:30:08] I always close all the doors when cooking bacon ;) [01:30:16] hehehe i have no doors to my office [01:30:19] Awjr, yes [01:30:30] dang how long is that flight? [01:30:39] To Mumbai, staying there 2 days [01:30:43] 15h [01:30:52] oof [01:31:16] i start to go totally batty after 12h on a plane [01:31:31] I'm extremely lucky to have a free seat next to me. [01:31:59] actually last time i flew to india, i flew HOU -> FRA, FRA -> BLR but there was a medical emergency on the HOU -> FRA leg, while we were over the middle of the atlantic ocean [01:32:27] I'll probably sleep a couple of hours in the middle of the flight but not too much so that I arrive tired to Mumbai [01:32:27] so the plane had to turn around and land in montreal [01:32:38] i wound up being on the plane for about 18 hours [01:32:47] Ugh... [01:32:52] yeah that was nuts [01:32:57] but yay to empty seat next to you :) [01:33:13] ;) [01:33:16] the silver lining was that they put me up in a hotel in FRA that night and bumped me to biz class for my flight bangalore the enxt day [01:33:23] jdlrobson are you there? [01:33:24] there was a glass of champagne in my hand before i even sat down... [01:33:32] jgonera: i haven't got VE enabled here - we did it all on rob's machine [01:33:41] jgonera: what exactly is the issue you are running into ? [01:34:08] jdlrobson it just doesn't work, no additional edit tab [01:34:17] jgonera: ok so checklist [01:34:20] does it work on desktop? [01:34:26] But I can see ve experentla mode in beta features [01:34:42] No, I'm talking about desktop [01:35:08] jgonera: ok 1s [01:35:18] Is Rob somewhere out there? Tell him to send me his config then ;) [01:35:55] $wgVisualEditorDisableForAnons = true [01:35:57] jgonera: try that [01:36:23] i'm digging through the code - seems there is a way to make it enable always [01:36:33] Awjr a glass of champagne to celebrate that you're going in the right direction? ;) [01:36:40] hehehe [01:37:00] I'll try when they let me use my laptop. [01:37:08] jgonera: rob's already on a plane [01:37:26] i discovered we were making the emergency landing by looking at the flight tracker and noticing that the plane was going the wrong way... [01:37:34] Oh, I see [01:37:49] Well maybe I'll figure this out [01:38:00] actually jgonera $wgDefaultUserOptions['visualeditor-enable'] = 1; [01:38:02] that should do it! [01:38:11] Awjr they didn't tell you? [01:38:12] Hah [01:38:22] jgonera: not until about 30 mins before we actually landed! [01:38:49] Can you send that line to my email? [01:39:25] jgonera: i'm just triyng it out now but sure i can [01:39:34] dr0ptp4kt, looking for me? [01:39:45] Awjr wow... On my previous flight I couldn't even do it. It had direct TV and I'd have to pay to watch the flight tracker... [01:39:53] jgonera: done [01:40:03] Thanks jdlrobson [01:40:10] it seems to work [01:40:22] Cool [01:40:29] i can see an edit button in anonymous mode and click it and it throws a parsoid error as i have no parsoid [01:40:39] btw jgonera i finished all the other overlay redesigns not sure if you saw that [01:40:44] pay for the flight tracker! [01:40:46] OK, I have it so it should work [01:40:49] dang [01:40:49] i'm expecting rebase issues ;-) [01:40:52] what airline was that?! [01:41:03] dr0ptp4kt, yeah, was wondering if you had a chance to look at that mediawiki-config related email [01:41:17] Jdlrobson, no, I haven't yet. [01:41:20] oh hey guys [01:41:28] You didn't do the editor thoigh right? [01:41:32] Awjr united [01:41:35] hey greg-g what's up [01:41:36] jgonera nope didn't touch editor [01:41:45] sheesh they charge you for everything [01:41:52] quick question: on the deploy calendar I have "November: Mobile - User Profiles in Alpha " from tfinc, but just curious what the status is of that [01:41:56] OK, will work on that on the plane [01:42:05] And review yours when I have internet [01:42:11] @_@ [01:42:15] (03PS5) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1347 1/2: Use new overlay for this page has issues [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95314 [01:42:20] greg-g: we actually already have user profiles in beta [01:42:25] well then [01:42:27] :) [01:42:28] (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: Cleanup enwp.less prepare to destroy it [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95452 [01:42:31] (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1347 2/2: Update this page has issues in beta [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95453 [01:42:39] wait, what do you mean by beta/ [01:42:43] and what is meant by alpha? [01:42:46] * greg-g isn't sure [01:42:54] greg-g: mobile has 3 modes - beta, alpha and stable [01:42:55] mobile web has three different states: alpha, beta, stable [01:42:57] jinx [01:42:57] (sorry to interrupt) [01:43:02] :) [01:43:12] greg-g: beta and alpha are optin via a cookie and audiences are much lower [01:43:16] ok, that's what I thought, just we have the stupid overload of beta around here :) [01:43:27] (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1345: Redesign notifications overlay [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95482 [01:43:28] heh [01:43:45] so, alright, I'll go ahead and remove that line.... [01:43:47] we're the original beta grrrit-wm [01:43:48] thanks all! [01:43:51] greg-g: [01:43:54] for us, alpha is basically a developer sandbox to try crazy things out in production, beta receives oversight form product [01:43:55] np [01:44:01] heh, don't call me gerrit [01:44:09] lol [01:44:11] zing! [01:44:53] K plane is moving, logging out. [01:45:52] fly safe jgonera [01:50:00] dr0ptp4kt, talking to self, eh? :) [01:50:40] (03PS4) 10Jdlrobson: Alpha: Use the same chrome on special pages as article pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94435 [01:51:32] yurik, ha. how else would devs get through the day? i'm talking about the subject "Deploy after merge on mediawiki-config" [01:51:52] yeah, there is really no rush on that one, lets do it wed [01:52:18] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "I'm still puzzled about what the problem is here." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94901 (owner: 10Shirayuki) [01:53:38] yurik, cool man. [01:53:52] jdlrobson: hi [01:53:54] 3:53 am here. waiting for a flight to Mumbai. noticed the bug about ULS. [01:53:55] I cannot reproduce it on my laptop. [01:53:56] where do you see the language button? [01:54:11] aharoni: http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Foo [01:54:30] if you disable javascript you'll see what's going on [01:54:57] it says this page is available in one language and there is a list with a single list item with class="uls-p-lang-dummy" [01:55:04] even though this page doesn't exist [01:56:05] uls-p-lang-dummy! I remember adding that ugly hack. [01:59:29] meh. [01:59:31] OK, got it. [01:59:39] it's probably not new. [01:59:47] thanks for reporting. [02:05:13] (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Alpha: Experiment to collapse sections in JavaScript [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94245 [02:05:22] (03Abandoned) 10Jdlrobson: Minerva: Make it possible to run toggling code on desktop skin [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94246 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [02:05:48] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 04-1] "Need to fix Max's edge case. Not sure how though." [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94245 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [02:05:50] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Alpha: Experiment to collapse sections in JavaScript [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94245 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [02:12:00] im outta here [02:12:03] jdlrobson: you back in the office tmrw? [02:12:14] awjr: nope on monday :) [02:12:20] okidoke [02:12:35] i shoul dhave time tomorrow to play around with various scripts and bingle and stuff if you wanna pair at all [02:13:46] sweet [02:17:47] jdlrobson: I suspect that I'm going to find a related bug there. [02:17:59] another one, but similar. [16:49:38] [[Zero:436-01]]; ABaso(WMF); Preparing production IP addresses for launch next week (config still disabled until then).; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6376130&oldid=6343305&rcid=4666484 [17:02:40] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Strengthen .tutorial selector [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95636 [17:10:30] (03PS3) 10Jdlrobson: Beta: Override Special:Contributions and Special:RecentChanges with mobile equivalents [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94620 [17:11:02] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Beta: Override Special:Contributions and Special:RecentChanges with mobile equivalents [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94620 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [17:11:03] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "(4 comments)" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94620 (owner: 10Jdlrobson) [17:14:59] (03PS4) 10Jdlrobson: Beta: Override Special:Contributions and Special:RecentChanges with mobile equivalents [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/94620 [17:55:26] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Add make phplint to Makefile and pre commit hook [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95643 [17:55:40] (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Add make phplint to Makefile and pre commit hook [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95643 [18:00:52] kenanwang standup! [18:01:32] turning stuff on [18:01:38] cool cool [18:20:14] how has sf bat kid not got a wiki page yet? [18:20:55] o_O [18:21:05] awjr: lol at this https://twitter.com/BobNBC/status/401413714911318016/photo/1 [18:21:25] ohhhh is this the make a wish kid? [18:22:22] yeh it's happening right now [18:22:28] ha sweet! [18:26:11] hey guys I'm back [18:27:01] kenanwang jdlrobson so, https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1414 [18:27:14] jdlrobson: this is the ULS bug? [18:27:17] awjr: yeh [18:27:29] so basically what's happening is ALL pages have a language button due to a dummy language added in ULS [18:27:51] see http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Ssasa&title=Ssasa [18:27:56] including special pages, like mobile options, kenanwang [18:28:00] it's a non existent language! [18:28:05] http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileOptions&returnto=Ssasa [18:28:27] jdlrobson: it looks like andre__ added it as a blocking bug for the next deployment [18:28:37] is this something for us to fix or for the language team to fix? [18:28:46] afaict this is something the lang team needs to deal with [18:28:49] awjr: yup. The only thing is I'm not sure how to fix it - preferably it should be done in ULS itself [18:28:51] (People are free to correct me. "Better safe than sorry" was my thought) [18:29:04] andre__: i think that was the right move [18:29:20] we could resort to a hack which goes through the array and scrubs out this node but if the node ever changes the bug will be back [18:29:21] it screws up mobile ux [18:29:27] (in the end it's up to greg-g to decide) [18:29:43] jdlrobson: normally i would say we should coordinate with the lang team, but i think they're all travelling and then focusing on the lang summit :| [18:30:01] yeh... [18:30:18] jdlrobson: maybe we should do a temporary hack doing what you say and so this doesn't have to block deployment, and then push the lang team to actually fix the issue. [18:30:47] we can override globals in mobile right? [18:30:55] dr0ptp4kt: are you ablet o acces the google doc now? [18:30:59] php global jdlrobson? [18:31:04] I think if we set $wgULSPosition to 'interlanguage' it will stop it from doing its thing [18:31:12] that would be the nicest hack right now [18:31:25] you can always override globals, which is part of why they are scary :p [18:31:40] * greg-g ignores backscroll for now, in meeting, ping me again if I need to read something [18:31:40] awjr: will it override it just for mobile if we put it in the right hook? [18:32:09] yeah; or we could override it only when we need to (eg on special pages) [18:32:13] awjr, it still says "you do not have permission to add comments". [18:32:17] (or is this an always thing?) [18:32:21] awjr: probably safer just to always override [18:32:35] jdlrobson: yeah i htink we could do that [18:32:55] jdlrobson: the code has changed quite a bit since i last really looked at it, but i htink i know where we could do that relatively safely [18:32:57] ok sounds like we have a good handle on what to do with this [18:33:02] let's go ahead and do it and alert the lang team [18:33:18] ok, next one jdlrobson, kenanwang: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1415 [18:33:37] (jdlrobson, kenanwang im going to push the language bug to the highest priority [18:33:48] awjr: i'll do a fix now [18:33:50] if that's ok with you kenanwang [18:34:08] jdlrobson: for the lang bug or the notification bug? [18:34:56] hey Eloquence [18:35:07] dr0ptp4kt: ah, try now? [18:35:11] If you're talking about the lang bug I'm ok with changing to high priority and working on it now [18:35:35] awjr, there we go [18:35:37] awjr: lang [18:35:46] notifications bug - this is something I seem to see on desktop too actually [18:35:58] where I will read a notification but it doesn't register that I've read it [18:36:09] mmm might be an issue in Echo then? [18:36:15] is this specifically when refreshing the page or closing the overlay? [18:36:19] perhaps we can poke it and reassign if necessary? [18:36:21] (or both) [18:36:29] it sounds like when closing the overlay (hitting the left arrow to go back) [18:37:07] sounds like it's an issue in stable [18:38:26] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Hack around ULS bug 57091 [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95648 [18:38:29] awjr: there is code that's doing it. I can poke at it since i'm familiar with notification code [18:38:32] there is a fix for that bug.. [18:38:46] ok; kenanwang shall we just move it over to ready for dev this iteration? [18:38:51] jdlrobson: i'll look at the patchset in a min [18:39:10] sure [18:39:17] hi [18:39:19] yay [18:39:29] (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Hack around ULS bug 57091 [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95648 [18:39:32] is it possible to put close tabs on the bottom of sections in mobile view as well as the top ? [18:39:33] ok kenanwang, if you have a chance, can you dbl check the priority order of stuff in 'ready for development' and adjust as necessary? [18:39:39] let's move it to ready for dev and poke at it a little maybe I'll add a note that I see it in desktop sometimes too [18:39:47] yep [18:40:10] thoughts as to what we do with the rest of the iteration? [18:40:24] kenanwang: code review is going to be the major problem [18:40:33] it's not worth taking on too much if it's not getting code reviewed [18:40:39] yeah, a lot of stuff is coded but we need to figure out how to get it merged [18:40:57] If finding stuff to do becomes a problem I /could/ work on the language overlay and other stuff from next iteration [18:40:58] i can help out with it some, but for serious client-side stuff there's not a lot i can do [18:41:29] upstreaming is another good idea [18:41:38] i suggest we take care of hygiene, bugs, and other useful projects (like the git log scripts, bingle, etc) [18:41:48] and yeah i guess i would consider upstreaming as part of 'other useful projects' [18:42:13] there's definitely no shortage of stuff to do ): [18:42:14] er [18:42:15] :) [18:42:45] kenanwang: maybe the three of us can sit down together on monday and review the bug backlog to dbl check priority and see if there's anything we ought to tackle [18:42:47] awjr: i find it ridiculous how much code we have in SkinMobile for footer generation... [18:43:04] hahaha iirc a lot of it is for hijacking/overriding what core does [18:43:46] Swob: jdlrobson or kenanwang can probably answer that question best. we used to provide a link to close sections at the bottom but we removed it a long time ago because hardly anyone used it [18:44:48] (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: Remove unused code [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95649 [18:45:17] yeah let's do hygiene today and then revisit on monday [18:45:26] awjr jdlrobson ^ [18:45:58] Swob: we took it out because it wasn't used much, is it a big annoyance to you? [18:46:10] it would help [18:46:11] Swob: we used to have close links but data we collected a while back showed no-one clicked on them... [18:46:38] by "close tab" I mean a button/link/etc that collapses one section of a page, like there is on the top [18:46:51] i dont remember them ever being there [18:47:03] on mobile [18:47:40] because some pages get huge [18:47:57] it was a looong time ago Swob, like over a year ago probably [18:47:58] Swob: i'm confused. You mean a button at the bottom that when clicked closes the section above it? [18:48:07] some background here - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45137 [18:48:15] although i can't find the link to the data [18:50:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Event_logging/Mobile#Section_toggles < Swob [18:50:52] yeah [18:50:59] For instance section_1 was toggled open 28,264 times but jump back_1 (the equivalent at the bottom) only 405 [18:51:04] huge order of difference [18:51:05] is that ever going to be reenabled? [18:52:44] and it looks like it didnt work properly to begin with [18:53:02] Since usage is so low i personally wouldn't like to see it. To implement it previously we used some very messy code which fragmented our cache which we are trying to move away from [18:53:23] Swob: why do you say it didn't work properly? This data was taken long before the bug that was raised.. [18:53:44] so it worked properly and then stopped working prperly? [18:53:47] yes [18:53:54] and we decided to kill it since usage was low [18:53:54] ... [18:53:56] well whatever [18:54:06] so bsaically youre not willing to bring it back even as an option [18:54:34] Swob: this seems like something that would work better as a gadget type thing for those who want it [18:54:34] * YuviPanda waves at brion [18:54:40] i don't think it belongs in the core code [18:54:47] jdlrobson: gadgets don't load on Mobile [18:54:48] do they? [18:54:55] I'm still on Bart will be a couple minutes late [18:55:01] brion: ah, okay! [18:55:07] i'll check gerrit in the meantime [18:55:15] :) [18:55:29] im pretty sure nothing loads on mobile, afaik it doesnt even allow logging in [18:55:38] YuviPanda: not in their current form but i suspect one day they will when there is a need for them. For instance it should be relatively easy to run a mobile equivalent of user script like User:Jdlrobson/vector.js [18:55:49] Swob: you can login on mobile.. [18:56:23] jdlrobson: yeah, I was playing with different ways of showing random articles with violetto and could use similar .js files on Desktop. Can't do anything on Mobile yet :( [18:56:28] would be nice to have those enabled tho [18:56:38] it's only for logged in users mostly, so it doens't fragment too many things [18:56:38] YuviPanda: it should be pretty straightforward [18:56:41] yeah [18:56:59] YuviPanda: I've had the desire for that a few times as well [18:57:21] no "log in" that i can see. but ok [18:57:24] Swob out of interest: are you talking about the Wikipedia mobile app? [18:57:33] thanks for answering me even if the answer is just "no" [18:57:34] as that's a completely different kettle of fish if you are [18:57:35] yeah, but we need a better way of enabling it than saying 'go to common.js under your user namespace, enter this line' [18:57:55] no, i mean the mobile site of enwikipedia \ [18:58:03] Swob: what phone do you use? [18:58:35] jdlrobson: want me to file a bug, re: userscripts? [18:58:53] right now im on an Android but it's the same on all cellphones that Ive used [18:58:53] YuviPanda: sure it won't get me to do it any quicker though ;-) [18:59:06] and for that matter, on my Windows PC when i load the mobile site it does the same thing [18:59:08] Swob: when you click the menu icon in the top left login should be available from that menu [18:59:22] no menu thati can see [18:59:26] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileMenu [18:59:28] ^ looks like that [18:59:42] I'm 3 minutes out be right in guys :) [18:59:56] oh ok [19:00:05] jdlrobson: heh, sure [19:00:06] well i wouldnt expect three horizontal lines to mean "log in" [19:00:26] ohh.. interesting. So you didn't realize the three horizontal lines were a menu button [19:00:27] ? [19:01:31] well the menu button i see is next to the search bar [19:01:38] i figured it was just part of the search bar [19:02:04] ^ violetto kaity|away you will probably be interested in this conversation (they are our designers) [19:03:29] jdlrobson: what's happening [19:03:54] violetto: interestingly swob has revealed that the icon we use for the main menu is not very discoverable [19:04:21] jdlrobson: the one next to search bar? [19:04:22] it makes me wonder if the icon doesn't 'translate' well - i remember thedj (i think) raising this previously [19:04:25] violetto: yes [19:05:24] violetto: swob figured it was part of the search bar and didn't provide things like login etc [19:06:11] Swob: where do you expect the login etc to be when you were searching for it? [19:06:56] dont talk to me like Im stupid [19:08:11] I dont come here to make enemies, I just wanted someone to answer my question [19:08:42] and i got that answer and said "thank you" [19:09:46] Swob: yikes, i apologize if that caused misunderstanding. i asked because i wanted to understand why you wouldn't have found it next to the search bar under the "hamburger" icon, since it's a typical place for actions like that to be found. [19:09:55] if youre not going to provide a help page or anything for a mobile website, then dont be surprised when people cant find somethign that isnt even labeled [19:11:03] Swob: i needed to know where you were expecting to find the "log in" because we might have placed it in a less convenient area, so knowing where you expected to see it would really help. [19:11:40]