[00:04:33] <kenanwang>	 jdlrobson: hey you around?
[00:06:41] <awjr>	 MaxSem: kaldari just pointed out to me that jenkins isn't set up for your new extension
[00:06:52] <awjr>	 im gonna run your unit tests and if that looks OK i'll +2+2
[00:07:00] <MaxSem>	 well
[00:07:10] <MaxSem>	 the only test there is disabled:P
[00:07:20] <awjr>	 then it should pass :)
[00:07:37] <MaxSem>	 I'll poke hashar tomorrow
[00:07:53] <awjr>	 MaxSem: that test doesn't look disabled
[00:08:06] <MaxSem>	 @group Broken
[00:08:07] <awjr>	 do you mean because it's in @group Broken?
[00:08:16] <awjr>	 yeah ok - so what, that means Jenkins doesn't run it?
[00:08:33] <MaxSem>	 aha
[00:08:51] <awjr>	 and what's broken about it?
[00:08:57] <awjr>	 why should i merge a broken unit test?
[00:10:27] <MaxSem>	 because it's a copypasta from MF;)
[00:10:46] <awjr>	 eh
[00:10:50] <awjr>	 what's broken about it MaxSem?
[00:10:53] <awjr>	 cant we just … fix it?
[00:11:03] <MaxSem>	 it fails mysteriously on jenkins
[00:11:12] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: Error: Unknown dependency: jquery.uls Error {} 
[00:11:29] <awjr>	 jdlrobson: James_F was just wandering around looking for you
[00:11:45] <James_F>	 awjr: We found him, thanks.
[00:11:52] <awjr>	 :D
[00:22:07] <MaxSem>	 hey greg-g, when can we schedule the deployment of TextExtracts? it's mostly a no-op, just code being factored out of MobileFrontend so should be pretty low-threat
[00:23:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Replacing single quotes with double quotes [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102207 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[00:23:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Shirayuki: i18n: add "Use" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96648 (owner: 10Shirayuki)
[00:23:03] <tfinc>	 mhurd: yuvipanda brion : how did our release do ?
[00:23:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: [C: 032] QA: Replacing single quotes with double quotes [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102207 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[00:24:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: QA: Replacing single quotes with double quotes [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102207 (owner: 10Zfilipin)
[00:25:20] <greg-g>	 MaxSem: 11am Pacific tomorrow?
[00:27:17] <MaxSem>	 greg-g, oh - we have quarterly planning wed-fri:( I guess if there should be no deployments next week we should just wait until past new year
[00:28:03] <MaxSem>	 not a pressing issue anyway
[00:30:14] <kaldari>	 kenan, awjr, MaxSem: In card 1481, it says we are supposed to backfill the data for everytime a user who registered on mobile made their 5th edit within 30 days of registering. If we're going to write a script for filling in that data, is there any point in writing an eventLogger to do the same? It seems slightly redundant to me.
[00:30:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Jdlrobson: Story 1465: Add a call to action on main pages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102043 
[00:30:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Jdlrobson: Hard refresh the main page on an edit. [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98034 
[00:30:32] <kaldari>	 rats, where'd kenan go
[00:30:49] <awjr>	 eh i saw him wandering around a bit ago - i think he might be in a mtg
[00:31:19] <awjr>	 kaldari: well it would be nice to only have to run that script once
[00:31:36] <awjr>	 i see your point though
[00:31:46] <kaldari>	 yeah, I guess that's true
[00:32:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Mhurd: Improved history core data concurrency. [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102360 
[00:32:12] <awjr>	 i guess the alternative would be to cronjob the script?
[00:32:14] <kaldari>	 seems like we could just run it once when we want to make the analysis :)
[00:32:16] <awjr>	 kaldari: ^
[00:32:24] <greg-g>	 MaxSem: ok, let me know if you want to do LD tomorrow or something
[00:32:50] <kaldari>	 but I guess we might keep using the data in the future as well
[00:33:01] <MaxSem>	 greg-g, it would require a scap so never mind
[00:33:13] <mhurd>	 brion: ^ small core data concurrency patch 
[00:33:15] <greg-g>	 ah
[00:33:27] <greg-g>	 MaxSem: cool, keep me updated when you want to do it :)
[00:33:31] <MaxSem>	 :)
[00:34:34] <awjr>	 kaldari: likely - it would be good to dbl check with kenan though
[00:34:37] <awjr>	 if we can find him :p
[00:35:06] <awjr>	 he's in a mtg til 5
[00:35:57] <kaldari>	 awjr, MaxSem: how do you determine if a user registered on mobile anyway?
[00:36:10] <MaxSem>	 can we?
[00:36:18] <awjr>	 iirc there's a magical field
[00:36:23] <awjr>	 i think in the user table
[00:36:35] <kaldari>	 in user_properties maybe?
[00:36:39] <awjr>	 that might be it
[00:36:50] <kaldari>	 I'll take a look
[00:36:54] <awjr>	 im pretty sure it gets recorded in the db
[00:37:33] <awjr>	 but im not sure what does it - i dont think it comes from MobileFrontend
[00:38:38] <kaldari>	 awjr: doesn't look like anything gets recorded in user_properties
[00:38:55] <awjr>	 kaldari: if dario is around, i think he knows
[00:39:10] <DarTar>	 hey
[00:39:12] <kaldari>	 DarTar: ^
[00:39:23] <DarTar>	 EventLogging
[00:39:30] <DarTar>	 ServerSideAccountCreation
[00:40:06] <awjr>	 oh ha there you go :)
[00:40:06] <DarTar>	 there's a flag indicating whether the registration happens on mobile
[00:40:06] <kaldari>	 DarTar: is that data available to MediaWiki?
[00:40:12] <DarTar>	 not that I know of
[00:40:42] <DarTar>	 which sucks
[00:41:10] <kaldari>	 awjr: in that case, we may be stuck with only a DB script and no EventLogging for the threshold
[00:41:26] <kaldari>	 I'll talk to kenan about it
[00:41:36] <DarTar>	 the field is db1047:ServerSideAccountCreation_5487345.event_displayMobile
[00:41:38] <awjr>	 right on kaldari
[00:41:57] <kaldari>	 DarTar: thanks!
[00:42:03] <DarTar>	 np
[01:00:24] <jdlrobson>	 eekk rmoen modules.json
[01:01:02] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: oh
[01:01:08] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: this seems to mention jquery.uls
[01:01:16] <jdlrobson>	 when does that get activated?
[01:02:21] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: where do you see modules.json? 
[01:02:33] <jdlrobson>	 ahh ext.visualEditor.language modules is the problem rmoen 
[01:02:39] <jdlrobson>	 it has jquery.uls as a dependency
[01:02:57] <jdlrobson>	 so i think your theory was right… something is launching experimental mode on mobile
[01:03:06] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: i didn't know we were pulling in ext.visualEditor.language
[01:03:21] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: looking
[01:03:28] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: 'ext.visualEditor.experimental' if you take away the mobile target
[01:03:31] <jdlrobson>	 things will hopefully work
[01:04:29] <jdlrobson>	 ve.init.mw.target seems to load that module
[01:05:03] <jdlrobson>	 (unconditionally)
[01:05:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MaxSem: Don't remove .toc [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102364 
[01:05:39] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: ext.visualEditor.language isn't brought in by experimental.  so something else is dependent on uls ?
[01:05:41] <jdlrobson>	 mw.loader.using( 'ext.visualEditor.experimental' ) < rmoen this is pretty much what is going on on beta labs for some reason
[01:05:54] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: try that line on beta labs on mobile
[01:07:24] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: yeah
[01:10:43] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: so i'm not sure what to suggest but seems issue /is/ in VisualEditor
[01:12:12] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: Yeah i see that experimental is being loaded unconditionally here and that seems strange.  However, jquery.uls isn't a dependency on ext.VisualEditor.experimental ( not seeing language there, unless something else is requiring it ).. This could be the fix though and I'll try to get a patch out
[01:12:52] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: i want to find out what exactly is pulling in jquery.uls
[01:12:59] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: 'ext.visualEditor.experimental'  depends on 'ext.visualEditor.language' which depends on jquery.uls according to my version of VisualEditor master
[01:13:35] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: oh doh.. for some reason my eyes were blinded to that line
[01:14:00] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: might be worth annotating modules better that are for mobile and desktop - maybe put them in a separate file?
[01:14:58] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: Thanks man. I'll move that bit into desktop only
[01:15:04] <jdlrobson>	 thanks dude
[01:15:10] <jdlrobson>	 if you need a +2 i'm happy to oblige
[01:15:15] <jdlrobson>	 i'd like to see this fixed
[01:15:17] <rmoen>	 :)
[01:15:49] <rmoen>	 me too.  How strange that it doesn't happen locally.
[01:17:12] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: just exploring the why to that question now
[01:18:31] <jdlrobson>	 finding it very difficult to navigate the VisualEditor code :(
[01:18:38] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: oh if the visualeditor-enable-experimental pref is set
[01:19:13] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: how is that different from enableExperimentalCode ?
[01:19:40] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: its the global experimental code pref
[01:20:10] <jdlrobson>	 yeh looks like you are right rmoen 
[01:20:11] <jdlrobson>	 mw.config.get( 'wgVisualEditorConfig' )['defaultUserOptions']['enable-experimental']
[01:20:23] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: yeah
[01:21:59] <jdlrobson>	 so we have to turn that off somehow..
[01:22:49] <rmoen>	 yeah i'm just going to move it, i have a fix 1 min
[01:23:24] <jdlrobson>	 thanks rmoen poke me when you have it :)
[01:31:05] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/102368/ 
[01:32:10] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: wouldn't it be easier just to override the default user option on mobile?
[01:32:24] <jdlrobson>	 (just a thought)
[01:33:04] <rmoen>	 jdlrobson: yes but this is also a bit of future proofing
[01:37:09] <jdlrobson>	 rmoen: i +1ed it
[01:37:19] <jdlrobson>	 so if you can convince someone on your team to +2 it :)
[01:46:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Kaldari: [C: 032] Hard refresh the main page on an edit. [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98034 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[01:46:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Hard refresh the main page on an edit. [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/98034 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[01:52:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Kaldari: Fixing broken editor header [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102371 
[01:54:13] <kaldari>	 jdlrobson, awjr, MaxSem: can someone merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/102371/ for me. Not sure when this got broken.
[01:55:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Awjrichards: [C: 032] Fixing broken editor header [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102371 (owner: 10Kaldari)
[01:55:20] <awjr>	 done kaldari
[01:55:38] <kaldari>	 I just realized the preview header is broken too :P
[01:55:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fixing broken editor header [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102371 (owner: 10Kaldari)
[01:56:44] <awjr>	 doh!
[01:56:53] <awjr>	 different key tho kaldari?
[01:57:05] <awjr>	 i dbl checked and that key was only used in one place
[01:57:07] <kaldari>	 yeah, one sec
[01:57:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Kaldari: Fixing editor preview header [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102372 
[01:58:07] <awjr>	 looking
[01:59:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Awjrichards: [C: 032] Fixing editor preview header [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102372 (owner: 10Kaldari)
[01:59:15] <kaldari>	 awjr: thanks!
[01:59:19] <awjr>	 np :D
[01:59:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fixing editor preview header [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102372 (owner: 10Kaldari)
[09:57:42] <yurik>	 MaxSem, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Json_Config_pages_in_wiki#General_Usage
[16:12:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Cmcmahon: Updates to notification messages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102448 
[16:19:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Cmcmahon: Messages for uploads changed [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102450 
[16:24:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Cmcmahon: Messages changed for watchlist [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102451 
[16:46:21] <yuvipanda>	 brion: hey!
[16:46:28] <brion>	 heyyy
[16:46:35] <brion>	 we got meetings today don't we
[16:48:41] <yuvipanda>	 brion: we do :)
[16:48:46] <brion>	 woo
[16:48:47] <yuvipanda>	 brion: you also need to make a release :)
[16:48:51] <brion>	 yes
[16:49:01] <brion>	 i figured there'd be a few more last-minute fixes so i waited ;)
[16:49:13] <yuvipanda>	 brion: I put one out right after the meeting y'day :)
[16:49:19] <brion>	 hah
[16:57:51] <yuvipanda>	 brion: think you can do that before the meetings?
[16:59:14] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: 
[16:59:18] <Reedy>	 Fatal error:  Call to a member function getName() on a non-object in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.23wmf7/extensions/MobileFrontend/includes/specials/SpecialMobileContributions.php on line 16
[17:02:58] <MaxSem>	 Reedy, looking
[17:05:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10MaxSem: Fix fatal [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102463 
[17:05:43] <MaxSem>	 Reedy, ^^^
[17:14:01] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jhall: [C: 032] Updates to notification messages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102448 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:15:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jhall: [C: 032] Messages for uploads changed [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102450 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:15:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jhall: [C: 032] Messages changed for watchlist [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102451 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:18:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Updates to notification messages [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102448 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:19:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Cmcmahon: Messages changed for watchlist [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102451 
[17:19:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Cmcmahon: [C: 032] Messages changed for watchlist [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102451 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:19:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Messages for uploads changed [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102450 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:22:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Messages changed for watchlist [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102451 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:46:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Cmcmahon: Watchlist no longer has special login/signin link [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102473 
[17:48:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Cmcmahon: Watchlist no longer has special login/signin link [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102473 
[17:52:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jhall: [C: 032] Watchlist no longer has special login/signin link [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102473 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:53:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Watchlist no longer has special login/signin link [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102473 (owner: 10Cmcmahon)
[17:58:14] <yuvipanda>	 dr0ptp4kt: awjr_away hangout link?
[17:59:31] <dr0ptp4kt>	 yuvipanda, awjr_away just sent it
[17:59:36] <yuvipanda>	 dr0ptp4kt: got it
[18:01:32] <yuvipanda>	 violetto: hey!
[18:01:42] <yuvipanda>	 violetto: couldn't get the data :( ssh key issues, need to talk to ops to resolve t hose
[18:07:57] <violetto>	 dr0ptp4kt: im trying to get zero stuff for you now but JON!
[18:08:00] <violetto>	 ;P
[18:08:54] <dr0ptp4kt>	 violetto :P
[18:11:02] <jgonera>	 awjr, do we have a hangout for the overview?
[18:11:09] <yuvipanda>	 jgonera: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpicv6a7c4un0v5fmbhff79k?authuser=2&hl=en
[18:11:34] <awjr>	 yeah, looks like you found it :)
[18:19:55] <awjr>	 whoever just asked a question in the chat, please ask in irc since we cant see the chat and someone just stole the keyboard
[18:20:02] <awjr>	 jgonera:  MaxSem yuvipanda dr0ptp4kt ^
[18:20:19] <MaxSem>	 lol, ok
[18:20:28] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: that was jgonera complimenting Jared's Yawning skills
[18:20:28] <jgonera>	 awjr, I wrote: "wow, the mic is really good. I could hear Jared yawning."
[18:20:39] <awjr>	 lol
[19:02:07] <awjr>	 back at 1110PST!
[19:05:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] "So far not exploding \o/" [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102360 (owner: 10Mhurd)
[19:06:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] Make documentation slightly more accurate [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102293 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[19:13:44] <yuvipanda>	 sigh, I've no idea why people are laughing.
[19:13:49] <yuvipanda>	 and explaining it kills the joke
[19:13:50] <yuvipanda>	 grr
[19:18:53] <jgonera>	 MaxSem, yuvipanda is there a way to disable avatars of people who are not talking and see the bottom part of the presentation?
[19:19:04] <yuvipanda>	 jgonera: yes, double click the video
[19:19:16] <yuvipanda>	 jgonera: worked?
[19:19:28] <jgonera>	 yuvipanda, not exactly what I imagined, but that works too, thanks ;)
[19:19:33] <yuvipanda>	 jgonera: :)
[19:19:52] <yuvipanda>	 jgonera: yeah, I don't know of a way to hide the bottom list
[20:28:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] Add methods + tests to bring back value objects from JSON [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102327 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[20:28:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Yuvipanda: Cleanup State Handling in PageViewFragment [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102542 
[20:30:53] <yuvipanda>	 brion: mmm tests :)
[20:31:08] <yuvipanda>	 brion: I need to add more tests.
[20:31:11] <yuvipanda>	 at some point
[20:31:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 04-1 V: 04-1] "java: /Users/brion/src/wiki/apps-android-wikipedia/wikipedia/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/wikipedia/PageViewFragment.java:21: cannot find s" [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102328 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[20:32:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Yuvipanda: Load the saved pages when pointed to from the Saved Pages activity [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102328 
[20:32:54] <yuvipanda>	 brion: gah. fixed. forgot to do an add
[20:33:00] <brion>	 :)
[20:33:30] <yuvipanda>	 brion: it's the *one* disadvantage of a completely git commit -p based workflow
[20:35:16] <brion>	 yuvipanda: are the saved pages in this version incompatible with the previous version? i got a 'file not found' error loading a saved page
[20:35:25] <yuvipanda>	 brion: yup, they are.
[20:35:41] <brion>	 ok :D
[20:35:43] <yuvipanda>	 brion: mostly because previous versions didn't actually save any content
[20:35:50] <brion>	 ah yeah i see
[20:35:56] <brion>	 i had two entries with content
[20:35:58] <brion>	 and two from before the saving
[20:36:07] <brion>	 ok ignore that crash report :D
[20:36:11] <yuvipanda>	 :)
[20:36:22] <yuvipanda>	 brion: also re: images, I found a lighterweight way than rewriting HTML in Java.
[20:36:32] <brion>	 ooh
[20:36:38] <yuvipanda>	 brion: listen for image load failures in the webview, and substitute with the file:/// urls if they fail :D
[20:36:52] <yuvipanda>	 brion: that way, we  reuse the webview cache!
[20:36:56] <brion>	 hah clever :D
[20:37:09] <yuvipanda>	 brion: :D and way less work! 
[20:37:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] Load the saved pages when pointed to from the Saved Pages activity [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102328 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[20:37:25] <yuvipanda>	 brion: 'least buggy code is no code' :)
[20:37:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Brion VIBBER: Cleanup State Handling in PageViewFragment [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102542 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[20:39:36] <brion>	 fuck this fucking wifi network, phone won't connect to WMF wifi anymore
[20:39:40] <brion>	 'obtaining ip address'
[20:40:40] <yuvipanda>	 brion: heh
[20:45:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] Cleanup State Handling in PageViewFragment [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102542 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[20:45:26] <brion>	  yuvipanda i still get a lot of intermittent errors about the marshaller not being defined in the webview
[20:45:41] <yuvipanda>	 brion: I tried to repro it earlier today, and couldn't :|
[20:45:41] <brion>	 sometimes a *lot* like the majority of link clicks
[20:45:59] <yuvipanda>	 clicked links, opened form history, rotated around, just plain started it multiple times...
[20:46:00] <yuvipanda>	 nothing
[20:46:10] <brion>	 weird
[20:46:51] <brion>	 pre-kitkat vs post-kitkat issue? testing on 4.3 here, haven't tried 4.4
[20:47:16] <yuvipanda>	 brion: ah, try 4.4?
[20:47:21] <yuvipanda>	 brion: that's potentially a thing, yeah
[20:47:28] <brion>	 will check that later yeah
[20:47:42] <brion>	 lemme grab a nice selection of test devices to bring home for testing tomorrow :D
[20:48:01] <yuvipanda>	 brion: it might just be a loading-time-dependency race condition. 
[20:48:31] <yuvipanda>	 brion: which is happening on 4.3 because 4.4 is that much faster
[20:49:41] <brion>	 heh yeah
[20:57:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Document overlays with KSS [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102547 
[21:03:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: Docs: Document overlays with KSS [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102547 
[21:13:15] <kenanwang>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mobileappplanningQ32014
[21:30:50] <kaldari>	 jdlrobson: I have arrived
[21:31:00] <jdlrobson>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/102479/2 < kaldari 
[21:45:58] <kaldari>	 jdlrobson: An archive of the community revolt against the introduction of Monobook skin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Historical_archive/Petition_for_the_return_of_the_Old_Wikipedia
[21:54:32] <yuvipanda>	 kaldari: hah!
[21:57:23] <James_F>	 kaldari: Love it. :-)
[22:01:57] <awjr>	 kaity|away: jgonera retrospective time
[22:07:04] <awjr>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MobileWeb-Q2-Retrospective
[22:07:16] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: kaity|away is still in the mobile app thing, for 20 more mins.
[22:07:21] <awjr>	 np yuvipanda
[22:07:22] <awjr>	 thanks
[22:07:22] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: they all have their laptops out
[22:07:27] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: NO STEALING KAITY! :P
[22:07:29] <awjr>	 cool :)
[22:17:35] <awjr>	 kaity: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MobileWeb-Q2-Retrospective
[22:18:37] <yuvipanda>	 awjr: you stole her! :P
[22:21:43] <MaxSem>	 yuvipanda, admit your defeat. just admit it
[22:22:32] <yuvipanda>	 MaxSem: we still have violetto
[22:22:43] <yuvipanda>	 MaxSem: and kenanwang!
[22:22:58] <MaxSem>	 for 7 minutes!
[22:23:03] <yuvipanda>	 MaxSem: and the last 1.5 hours!
[22:23:26] <MaxSem>	 all good things will come to an end for ya
[22:23:45] <violetto>	 haha!
[22:27:03] <yurik>	 dr0ptp4kt, all our complex security can be decrypted with a cell phone placed next to the computer... http://tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/
[22:27:14] <yuvipanda>	 violetto: woohoo, nice meeting :)
[22:27:48] <violetto>	 yuvipanda: :)!!
[22:28:07] <dr0ptp4kt>	 yurik, dare i click that? beware systems without tempest
[22:28:37] <yurik>	 their title:  RSA Key Extraction via Low-Bandwidth Acoustic Cryptanalysis
[22:29:10] <dr0ptp4kt>	 yurik, yeah, beware systems without tempest controls ;)
[22:29:37] <yurik>	 dr0ptp4kt, tempest only describes EM, not sound from what i heard
[22:31:37] <awjr>	 kenanwang: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MobileWeb-Q2-Retrospective
[22:32:10] <yuvipanda>	 kenanwang: that was very productive, and I was able to participate properly despite being remote! Thanks! :D
[22:34:36] <dr0ptp4kt>	 yurik, not sure about that, i suppose it matters in which context one is speaking for compliance purposes. anyhow, that's a pretty sweet technique.
[22:39:40] <tfinc>	 awjr: yuck. their collapsed html, css, and js into xml files https://code.google.com/p/google-plus-hangout-samples/source/browse/simple-app/simpleHangoutApp.xml
[22:39:44] <tfinc>	 thats the worst of the worst
[22:46:39] <yuvipanda>	 brion: I'm going to head to sleep now.
[22:46:46] <brion>	 ok
[22:46:52] <brion>	 catch ya tomorrow :D
[22:47:30] <yuvipanda>	 brion: that was a *very* productive meeting :)
[22:47:59] <brion>	 yes :D i like our new schedule, good feture set
[22:48:04] <yuvipanda>	 brion: yup!
[22:48:15] <yuvipanda>	 brion: I also hope we remember to 'close the loop' as much as we can :)
[22:48:25] <yuvipanda>	 brion: should sneak in talk page access there somehow.
[22:48:27] <yuvipanda>	 :D
[22:48:38] <yuvipanda>	 brion: also, was that room R66?
[22:48:46] <brion>	 yes
[22:48:47] <brion>	 new table :)
[22:48:50] <kenanwang>	 that was a really great meeting everyone. Thanks YuviPanda brion monte tfinc kaity 
[22:48:54] <kenanwang>	 may jared
[22:48:56] <brion>	 yes def some basic talk page would be awesomeness
[22:48:57] <brion>	 :D
[22:49:02] <brion>	 thanks kenanwang !
[22:49:19] <tfinc>	 kenanwang: i'm really excited to see editing take hold on apps. those power users will be super productive 
[22:49:28] <tfinc>	 and *no* apps that i've seen has that :)
[22:49:29] <kenanwang>	 thanks for your contributions re: closing the loop YuviPanda very well thought out
[22:49:39] <kenanwang>	 yup
[22:49:52] <yuvipanda>	 kenanwang: yup! We should write that down somewhere so we keep that in mind
[22:50:34] <yuvipanda>	 brion: tfinc mhurd ^
[22:53:02] <kaity>	 thanks everyone!
[22:53:13] <kaity>	 you guys are the best
[22:55:23] <yuvipanda>	 kaity: :D
[22:55:27] <yuvipanda>	 okay, now I go and try to sleep.
[22:55:29] <yuvipanda>	 night everyone
[22:59:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: WIP: Use MediaWiki UI buttons in alpha [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102581 
[22:59:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP: Use MediaWiki UI buttons in alpha [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/102581 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[23:47:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS12) 10Dr0ptp4kt: WIP: Experiment: Special:MobileWebApp and manifests for offline FF & Chrome, FFOS + CWS. [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/100919 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[23:47:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP: Experiment: Special:MobileWebApp and manifests for offline FF & Chrome, FFOS + CWS. [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/100919 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)