[00:09:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Jdlrobson: Card 1814 (Story 1747): Notification drawer [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/120733 
[00:09:46] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: Card 1814 (Story 1747): Notification drawer (034 comments) [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/120733 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[00:09:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: Card 1814 (Story 1747): Notification drawer (031 comment) [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/120733 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[00:13:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Jdlrobson: QA: Make sure watchlist tests are setup correctly [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/120938 
[00:14:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: QA: Make sure watchlist tests are setup correctly (031 comment) [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/120938 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[00:26:50] <jdlrobson>	 so sethen http://git.wikimedia.org/tree/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FMobileFrontend is where you will find our code
[00:26:56] <sethen>	 Awesome
[00:27:01] <jdlrobson>	 commits and git clone link are at http://git.wikimedia.org/summary/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FMobileFrontend
[00:27:11] <sethen>	 LESS, huh?
[00:27:24] <jdlrobson>	 yup using LESS now. Made life a hell of a lot easier
[00:27:30] <sethen>	 Haha, I am sure!
[00:27:35] <sethen>	 Are you using OOCSS?
[00:27:38] <sethen>	 With your LESS?
[00:27:41] <jdlrobson>	 http://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FMobileFrontend/dfe9d942779c31630533c622c7568c47ad0d55e7/README.mediawiki gives you all the details about our coding conventions etc
[00:27:50] <sethen>	 Nice.
[00:28:13] <jdlrobson>	 sethen: not currently. I was keen to explore using it after speaking to Nicole Sullivan and another friend but never got round to working out if it would be a useful practice for us to adopt
[00:28:16] <jdlrobson>	 would you recommend it?
[00:28:38] <sethen>	 After using it, I think it's the only way to go.  It's a very simple idea with major benefits.
[00:29:19] <sethen>	 Make a base class with modifiers, in short, is the bees knees.
[00:29:33] <sethen>	 Making a base class that has modifiers*, excuse me.
[00:33:31] <jdlrobson>	 ^ jgonera 
[00:33:48] <jdlrobson>	 it's definitely something we should explore using (oocss)
[00:34:16] <sethen>	 It's just a great concept honestly.
[00:34:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Jdlrobson: [WIP] Allow users to adjust the font size [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/108300 (owner: 10Theopolisme)
[00:34:44] <jdlrobson>	 yeh it sounds good on paper, i've just not got any first hand experience with it
[00:34:44] <sethen>	 Ahh I see, seems like the Makefile is a series of shell and python scripts to run.
[00:35:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Theopolisme: "Will do. Sorry, https://github.com/WPAFC/afch-rewrite has been taking up all of my time... See you in a few weeks!" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/108300 (owner: 10Theopolisme)
[00:39:46] <sethen>	 Am I able to ask code specific questions in this chat?
[00:39:56] <sethen>	 Or is there somewhere else this is better suited?
[00:41:51] <jdlrobson>	 sethen: sure this is fine
[00:42:09] <jdlrobson>	 yeh it's a helper file to help you work out how to run tests, linting etc
[00:42:23] <sethen>	 I saw a line in Class.js like Surrogate.prototype = Parent.prototype;
[00:42:33] <sethen>	 Wondering what the thought process was there
[00:43:24] <sethen>	 I'm assuming the intent is to assign the methods or properties or Parent.prototype to Surrogate.prototype
[00:43:45] <jdlrobson>	 it's basically implementing class inheritance yeh
[00:43:54] <sethen>	 Why this over Object.create?
[00:43:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10JGonera: [WIP] Base api module on mw.Api [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/121532 
[00:44:21] <sethen>	 I feel like I have seen done this way, I just always use the Object.create myself.
[00:44:26] <sethen>	 Not sure how much of a difference it makes.
[00:44:37] <jgonera>	 sethen, might be a good question. We might reevaluate browser support of Object.create, it might be OK for mobile
[00:44:55] <jgonera>	 wow, that was a lot of "mights"
[00:45:06] <sethen>	 Ah, browser support makes sense.
[00:45:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Base api module on mw.Api [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/121532 (owner: 10JGonera)
[00:45:49] <sethen>	 What are the plans for the project when classes are released in ES6?
[00:47:01] <sethen>	 I would assume mobile might take some time to catch up.  Curious about using transpilers and such.
[00:47:29] <jgonera>	 wait until 99% of browsers used by our users support ES6
[00:47:38] <jgonera>	 transpilers?
[00:47:53] <jgonera>	 oh, I see
[00:48:01] <jgonera>	 I don't think we'd use anything like that
[00:48:05] <sethen>	 Ah.
[00:48:22] <sethen>	 I thought the Grunt plugin for ES6 was interesting.
[00:48:29] <jgonera>	 although, who knows, if there's one if very wide adoption
[00:48:37] <jgonera>	 if=with
[00:48:56] <sethen>	 Seems like ES6 is going to be such a radical shift.
[00:49:06] <sethen>	 Traceur is helping though.
[00:49:52] <sethen>	 However, I am excited about more classical than prototypal stuff.
[00:50:05] <sethen>	 Prototypical?  I can never say it right.
[00:53:40] <sethen>	 Alright I am off.  Thanks for links Jon, I will look over this stuff.
[01:01:29] * marktraceur  apparently is pinged on "traceur"

[01:01:37] <marktraceur>	 Oh, cool.
[01:02:36] <tfinc>	 jdlrobson: http://thenextweb.com/google/2014/03/31/round-googles-jokes-april-fools-day-2014/
[01:03:00] <jdlrobson>	 see you sethen !
[01:03:04] <jdlrobson>	 good chatting :)
[01:52:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Fix watchlist tabs. Protect from future changes with browser tests. [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122627 
[06:04:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Yuvipanda: [Gingerbread] Update the manifest to build for Android 2.3.3+ (API level 10) [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122543 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[06:04:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Yuvipanda: [C: 032 V: 032] [Gingerbread] Update the manifest to build for Android 2.3.3+ (API level 10) [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122543 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[06:05:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Yuvipanda: [Gingerbread] Use compat library version of PopupMenu [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122544 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[10:23:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Yuvipanda: [C: 032 V: 032] [Gingerbread] Use compat library version of PopupMenu [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122544 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[10:23:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Yuvipanda: [Gingerbread] Fix explosion on calling static WebView method [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122545 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[13:18:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Yuvipanda: [Gingerbread] Can't use ?attr/selectableItemBackground until v11 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122546 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[13:19:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Yuvipanda: [C: 04-1] [Gingerbread] Can't use ?attr/selectableItemBackground until v11 (031 comment) [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122546 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER)
[13:28:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Yuvipanda: Position edit icon appropriately in RTL pages [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122580 
[13:28:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Yuvipanda: Set text direction of edit summary field for RTL languages properly [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122576 
[13:28:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Yuvipanda: Make license footer display with UI lang directionality [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122560 
[13:28:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Yuvipanda: Set edit text box's directionality [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122578 
[16:21:54] <dr0ptp4kt>	 YuviPanda: to get it out of the way, repeating what i said on irc yesterday - not sure if it went through: tfinc is getting access to his protected drive to obtain the signing material. hence no alpha yesterday
[16:22:25] <dr0ptp4kt>	 YuviPanda: i have not forgotten, though. daily alphas will rule
[16:23:34] <dr0ptp4kt>	 YuviPanda: ps, not an april fool's joke. speaking of which, i guess i better just shut down my microblogging client now.
[17:05:50] <YuviPanda>	 IRC so desolate
[17:07:51] <awjr>	 chirp chirp
[17:08:09] * YuviPanda  gets some pesticide on awjr

[17:08:29] <awjr>	 :(
[17:09:01] * YuviPanda  genetically engineers awjr

[17:09:23] <awjr>	 lol
[17:12:16] <awjr>	 YuviPanda: MaxSem im going to close my laptop to save battery. if you need anything, use the hangout chat - we've got it open
[17:13:48] <YuviPanda>	 awjr_away: ok!
[17:22:01] <YuviPanda>	 hey brion
[17:22:06] <brion>	 yo
[17:22:08] <YuviPanda>	 brion: rapt attention or have spare for CR? ;)
[17:23:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: Make license footer display with UI lang directionality (031 comment) [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122560 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[17:24:55] <YuviPanda>	 brion: I wonder if a case can be made for just keeping the old app as is for 2.3
[17:25:11] <brion>	 pretty sure we decided against that already
[17:25:27] <YuviPanda>	 brion: yeah, but hope when it can happen :)
[17:25:42] <YuviPanda>	 brion: anyway, I will redo that. Nice catch!
[17:27:02] <brion>	 YuviPanda: i’ll whip out my test devices and confirm stuff actually works later
[17:27:05] <brion>	 i’ve just got th elaptop right now
[17:28:48] <YuviPanda>	 brion: :) ok!
[17:55:03] <aharoni>	 YuviPanda man wazzup
[17:55:07] <YuviPanda>	 ohai aharoni
[17:55:23] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: so, I was wondering if we should flip images in the *UI* by default and have an exceptions 'no-flip' lift
[17:55:25] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: or the other way around?
[17:56:44] <jdlrobson>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mobile/Release_history
[17:57:19] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: bring up talk pages?
[17:57:36] <aharoni>	 YuviPanda mmmmmm this is a possibility, but let me see the images.
[17:57:43] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: moment
[17:57:48] <aharoni>	 are they in gerrit?
[17:57:51] <jdlrobson>	 YuviPanda: I guess that's the flow work
[17:57:53] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: yes!
[17:57:58] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: that's not out for at least another year
[17:58:05] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: apps/android/wikipedia
[17:58:21] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: icon-svgs
[17:58:37] <jdlrobson>	 YuviPanda: just raised
[17:58:42] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: ty
[17:59:45] <aharoni>	 YuviPanda: ok, it's not bad
[17:59:58] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: we try to be symmetric I think. but sometimes not.
[18:07:04] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: hmm, so...
[18:07:08] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: flip by default?
[18:35:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Jdlrobson: Hygiene: Kill mobile.styles [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122869 
[18:46:12] <aharoni>	 YuviPanda: osrry for disappearing.
[18:46:23] <aharoni>	 so,
[18:46:29] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: :) 'tis k!
[18:46:43] <aharoni>	 flip, but definitely not all.
[18:46:52] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: but by default flip?
[18:46:57] <aharoni>	 how does it work in Android?
[18:47:10] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: android doesn't really do images-in-UI flipping by default.
[18:47:14] <aharoni>	 Only Android btw? It doesn't apply to iOS?
[18:47:25] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: I've an image pre-processor that flips it for me
[18:47:33] <YuviPanda>	 aharoni: I guess it applies to iOS too, but I dont know about that atm.
[18:47:38] <tfinc>	 brion: nice progress on https://trello.com/c/zKClOle9/2-spike-6hr-evaluate-android-2-3-support-to-figure-out-what-is-broken
[18:47:38] <YuviPanda>	 brion: ^ (re: flipping UI images in iOS)
[18:47:47] <brion>	 \o/
[18:53:57] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: is it done? I've no idea what is happening now
[18:54:10] <awjr>	 YuviPanda: we've just been having an adhoc chat
[18:54:25] <awjr>	 MaxSem: yurik ^
[18:54:30] <awjr>	 and i get the sense no one wants to talk anymore
[18:54:34] <YuviPanda>	 right, and now?
[18:54:37] <awjr>	 so now we're just waiting for food to show up
[18:54:43] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: oh, so we can go?
[18:54:49] <YuviPanda>	 unless we are getting food :P
[18:54:58] <awjr>	 hehehe i wish we could send you food
[18:55:01] * MaxSem  runs away

[18:55:11] <YuviPanda>	 heh
[18:55:15] <MaxSem>	 ...to his fridge
[18:55:18] <YuviPanda>	 heh
[18:55:20] <awjr>	 YuviPanda: MaxSem yurik yeah feel free to leave, or if you want to keep hanging out i expect random mobile-lated conversation will continue
[18:55:21] <awjr>	 up to you
[18:55:22] <YuviPanda>	 I've some cookies
[18:55:35] <yurik>	 i'm starving :(
[18:55:59] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: I could hardly follow any of the adhoc chat because more than one person is talking and it all just blurs into one :( So I guess I should just go.
[18:56:17] <awjr>	 oh crap im sorry YuviPanda
[18:56:17] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: heh, every year we have more and more people moving to SF :) Next time it'll just be yurik and me!
[18:56:36] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: no it's ok :) I hate meetings with more than 3-4 in-office participants and try not to get to them anyway.
[18:56:47] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: I think I'll find tomorrow more useful + focused.
[18:57:00] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: I brought it up last time too, but I will again too :)
[18:57:12] <awjr>	 YuviPanda: definitely
[18:57:41] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: ok, I'm gonna go and get some code done. Do poke me here if I am needed :)
[18:57:48] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: thanks for running this :)
[18:57:59] <awjr>	 YuviPanda: no problem, i had very little to do with this morning ;)
[18:58:04] <YuviPanda>	 awjr: :)
[18:59:00] <MaxSem>	 awjr, please ping us when something official starts
[18:59:13] <awjr>	 MaxSem: we'll be back for mobile-web specific stuff in one hour - 1pm PDT
[18:59:17] <YuviPanda>	 ok!
[18:59:31] <YuviPanda>	 no more apps stuff today, IIRC
[18:59:55] * brion  FTPs YuviPanda a sandwich

[19:00:06] * YuviPanda  gophers brion some cashh

[19:00:18] <brion>	 :D
[19:00:44] <brion>	 YuviPanda: ok i’ll poke some review after lunch and see if i can finish up the 2.3 stuff
[19:00:53] <YuviPanda>	 brion: ! woo!
[19:01:05] <YuviPanda>	 brion: I'm going to setup UA
[19:01:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Yuvipanda: Make convert-icons produce flipped versions of images too [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122872 
[19:01:35] <YuviPanda>	 brion: ^ RTL flipping :)
[19:03:57] <brion>	 nice
[19:21:03] <aharoni>	 YuviPanda: Let me count how many images should be flipeed.
[19:21:21] <aharoni>	 everything under 32
[19:21:29] <aharoni>	 (8)
[19:21:58] <aharoni>	 3 or 4 under 24
[19:22:28] <aharoni>	 YuviPanda: so maybe yeah... flip.
[19:39:10] <matanya>	 aharoni: hi
[19:39:27] <matanya>	 is zero going to be part of the cluster?
[19:54:35] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: heh :)
[19:57:01] <jdlrobson>	 YuviPanda: heh?
[19:57:12] <jdlrobson>	 YuviPanda: where in Europe will you be?
[19:57:20] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: no idea yet.
[19:57:24] <YuviPanda>	 jdlrobson: you?
[19:59:33] <awjr>	 MaxSem: we're starting to reconvene - use the hangout link in the retrospective invite
[20:16:17] <thedj>	 YuviPanda: you gonna be in europe ?
[20:16:43] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: yeah! :) Not sure where. Berlin most probably
[20:16:57] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: Amsterdam maybe but that might be expensive...
[20:17:29] <thedj>	 ams is expensive yes. better go Utrecht then if .nl at all.
[20:17:37] <thedj>	 berlin is nice
[20:18:44] <thedj>	 but for a long time ? or to visit ?
[20:18:57] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: 2 weeks
[20:19:53] <thedj>	 k. stay in touch ok ? plenty of dutchies/germans/wikimedians/glammers around in those areas :D
[20:20:29] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: oh yeah very definitely :D I'll know in about a week what the exact plan is...
[20:20:58] <thedj>	 are you also doing zurich ?
[20:21:11] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: oh yeah :)
[20:21:15] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: this is right after Zurich
[20:21:20] <thedj>	 ah k
[20:21:23] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: staying in Zurich is out of question because OMG IT IS SO EXPENSIVE :)
[20:21:30] <thedj>	 quite so yes
[20:21:53] <thedj>	 i have friends in Davos, I can only stay there by bringing food and sleeping on their couch :D
[20:22:11] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: :) If you get a Schengen visa via a german consulate, you get to stay for the exact duration you have business there and then you gotta leave
[20:22:15] <YuviPanda>	 switzerland gives 3 month visas
[20:25:29] <thedj>	 btw, since I know you all love the exotic nooks and crannies of software and tech.....
[20:25:41] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: :D
[20:25:45] * YuviPanda  waits

[20:25:50] <thedj>	 anyone know software that displays lrm rlm and other unicode markup characters ?
[20:26:58] <thedj>	 i wanna add a gadget that makes these buggers visible, but if someone thought of a visual style to do that, then i'd love to rip them off :D
[20:27:58] <thedj>	 perhaps i should ping aharoni :D
[20:28:09] <YuviPanda>	 thedj: aah :) I can't think of any way to make them visible. I suppose you'll have to JS replace them with printable characters...
[20:29:02] <thedj>	 yeah, that was the idea, but if there is a conventioin somewhere out there as to which printable chars, i'd like to follow it
[20:29:27] <YuviPanda>	 yeah, aharoni or nikerabbit might know
[20:37:06] <dfoy>	 dr0ptp4kt: you available?
[21:24:30] <awjr>	 MaxSem: we are reconvening
[21:41:35] <aharoni>	 thedj, YuviPanda - I am not familiar with any code that implements such a thing.
[22:12:23] <awjr>	 MaxSem: sorry, i hung up and rejoined - are you still in the hangout
[22:21:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Yuvipanda: Set appropriate User Agent string [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/123117 
[22:22:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Yuvipanda: [C: 04-2] "Need to figure out why Zero needs agent as a separate param - why can't it default to current user-agent?" [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/123117 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[22:24:39] <tfinc>	 mhurd: which story are your working on right now from https://trello.com/b/MQ0Nxt48/mobile-app-sprint-28-last-minute-items ?
[22:25:42] <YuviPanda>	 mhurd: useragent discussion on mobile-l seems to have reached a satisfactory conclusion. I just sent out a final email with tl;dr. If you aren't setting UserAgent yet, do switch to it when you have the time
[22:27:08] <mhurd>	 tfinc: ah - gonna jump on the css and js sync - had some toc stuff i was putting back together
[22:27:14] <mhurd>	 YuviPanda: cool thanks!!!
[22:27:24] <mhurd>	 YuviPanda: i’ll make a note :)
[22:27:32] <mhurd>	 YuviPanda: or card
[22:27:32] <tfinc>	 mhurd: can you move your card over ?
[22:27:44] <mhurd>	 tfinc: done
[22:27:44] <YuviPanda>	 mhurd: we might need to do some more header munging for CheckUser. I'll poke you again when that gets clearer
[22:27:49] <tfinc>	 thanks
[22:27:54] <YuviPanda>	 mhurd: yeah, feel free to add a card if that's how you want to track it :)
[22:28:00] <mhurd>	 YuviPanda: sounds good
[22:28:05] <YuviPanda>	 mhurd: :)
[22:28:09] <YuviPanda>	 I should be off now
[22:28:19] <mhurd>	 YuviPanda: have a good night!
[22:28:24] <YuviPanda>	 mhurd: will do!
[23:00:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Dr0ptp4kt: [C: 04-2] Set appropriate User Agent string (031 comment) [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/123117 (owner: 10Yuvipanda)
[23:09:19] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10MaxSem: [C: 031] Hygiene: Kill mobile.styles [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/122869 (owner: 10Jdlrobson)
[23:28:04] <jdlrobson>	 MaxSem: you should be braver and +2 :)
[23:28:22] <MaxSem>	 but HACKS!
[23:38:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Kaldari: Make "Search in pages" perform a fulltext search [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/123135