[00:05:26] tfinc: dbrant|bbl YuviPanda|zzz vbamba matanya: FYI, beta is published to the store as well; also uploaded both alpha and beta apks to https://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/wikipedia/ in case you don't want to wait a couple of hours. Today we did mainly crash fixes. [00:07:54] bearND: ok, ill update! [00:11:13] kaldari, so you actually removed position: relative in a different place ;) I would keep it in .overlay-header, unless you're sure nothing is using it (no absolutely positioned items in header in nearby/talk/search overlays) [00:11:32] jgonera: oops, sorry... [00:11:40] bearND: i'm eager to get rid of either the alpha or beta to simplify the release process [00:13:08] jgonera: Actually, it should be removed in both places, as they were both introduced with that change, and neither are needed anymore [00:13:23] ok, remove both of them then ;) [00:14:21] (03PS14) 10Kaldari: Add text to next & save buttons in mobile editors [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/140620 [00:14:27] jgonera: done [00:17:34] argh, kaldari, sorry, one more regression: notifications overlay is missing bottom border [00:17:52] ah... [00:18:58] jgonera: hmm, seems to be working for me. lemme see... [00:19:13] where are you at? [00:25:29] hey Maryana. I heard you might like some baselines. [00:25:31] BOOM: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Modeling_monthly_active_editors/Work_log/2014-06-24 [00:25:37] :D [00:26:12] tfinc: alpha and production are the same app in the store, so we could just promote the alpha apks to production if we change our release versioning scheme to not include "alpha" anymore. beta is unfortunately another app, which means we have to use a different package name. I hope there will be some good announcements regarding DevConsole and user signups for alpha/beta tomorrow at IO. IIRC the main reason why YuviPanda|zzz wa [00:26:14] That's an ugly format. I'll work with DarTar to make it easier to consume. [00:28:51] halfak: wheeeee [00:29:00] thank you!! [00:29:06] :D [00:29:08] hth [00:31:01] would be rad to see the rates side by side with DT+mobile [00:31:10] that's in your slides somewhere, right? [00:31:17] * Maryana digs around in google drive [00:33:16] oh wow, those new active rates are super low! [00:33:37] halfak: ^^ [00:34:28] oh wait, for this: https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1VKfPdZQqgwbemPOqUHDg49Kjb2mlfWI3kJMnFh3u4ZY/edit#slide=id.g38ad844e5_040 did you filter out inactivated? [00:36:06] (03PS15) 10Kaldari: Add text to next & save buttons in mobile editors [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/140620 [00:36:21] jgonera: OK, fixed again and checked in firefox and chrome [00:36:47] kaldari, what is the change? [00:36:59] I mean, why did the line disappear [00:37:44] jgonera: had to add a 1px margin-top to the notifications list since it's absolutely positioned and has it's top set to 3.35em, which doesn't take into account the border [00:38:00] oh, I see [00:38:45] (03CR) 10JGonera: [C: 032] Add text to next & save buttons in mobile editors [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/140620 (owner: 10Kaldari) [00:39:19] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add text to next & save buttons in mobile editors [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/140620 (owner: 10Kaldari) [00:40:15] jgonera: interestingly Firefox and Chrome render identically with the margin in place, but differently without it. [00:40:47] kaldari, weird em rounding issues, I'm beginning to hate ems and think we should use px almost everywhere [00:40:55] even for font sizes [00:41:54] jgonera: Yeah, it's a real pain when you have to figure out how to get everything to render pixel-perfect and you're having to combine ems and pixels (for things like icons) [00:42:24] oh man, we've come full circle [00:42:36] kaldari, yeah, historically fonts did not scale well with px, but it might not be a problem anymore [00:42:57] one of the first things i remember doing with mobile was switching from px to em [00:43:07] * Maryana wipes a tear [00:43:30] Once we switch everything to SVGs instead of PNGs, we could fix some of those issues by using ems more constistantly though [00:43:32] ;) [00:44:02] kaldari, and then, when we switch from SVGs to icon font! ;) [00:44:21] true [00:58:11] awjr: Okay, I'm back. Still here? :) [00:58:24] Deskana yep [01:07:13] mhurd: this is your current card right https://trello.com/c/Io6a0jEi/24-3-onboarding ? [01:07:42] tfinc: yes [02:11:49] Deskana: YuviPanda|zzz: vbamba: matanya: oh no, i just realized that https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141865/ should be merged for alpha/beta. Am going to do another release so we can some testing with that. [02:11:59] (03PS2) 10BearND: Switch to production bits URL [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141865 (owner: 10Yuvipanda) [02:14:40] (03CR) 10BearND: [C: 032] Switch to production bits URL (031 comment) [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141865 (owner: 10Yuvipanda) [02:15:04] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Switch to production bits URL [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141865 (owner: 10Yuvipanda) [02:16:51] (03PS1) 10BearND: Bump version for release 2.0-alpha-2014-06-25 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141884 [02:17:18] (03PS2) 10BearND: Bump version for release 2.0-alpha-2014-06-25-2 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141884 [02:17:42] (03CR) 10BearND: [C: 032] Bump version for release 2.0-alpha-2014-06-25-2 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141884 (owner: 10BearND) [02:18:01] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Bump version for release 2.0-alpha-2014-06-25-2 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141884 (owner: 10BearND) [02:24:52] (03PS1) 10BearND: Change version string to 2.0-alpha-2014-06-25 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141886 [02:25:21] (03CR) 10BearND: [C: 032] Change version string to 2.0-alpha-2014-06-25 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141886 (owner: 10BearND) [02:25:42] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Change version string to 2.0-alpha-2014-06-25 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141886 (owner: 10BearND) [03:26:33] (03PS1) 10BearND: Update version scheme of releases [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141889 [05:10:04] bearND: btw, we can't actually just promote alpha to beta, since alpha has a different icon :) [05:24:12] YuviPanda|zzz: not to beta, but to production [05:27:27] bearND: indeed. alpha also has a different icon, no? [05:27:33] bearND: red star. no red star in prod [05:41:12] YuviPanda|zzz: yes, doh [05:41:30] YuviPanda|zzz: so, we need to make three builds ;( [05:41:43] bearND: yeah, but shouldn't be a problem, I believe. [05:41:49] bearND: we'll just extend the script :) [05:42:10] bearND: builds should be automated. only things we'd have to do is upload 'em. [05:42:17] YuviPanda|zzz: yeah, need to automate the whole spiel [05:42:22] yeah [05:42:30] might kill the bash script, rewrite in python [05:46:01] (03CR) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: Change editor switcher to cog icon and move to right side (031 comment) [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141092 (owner: 10Kaldari) [05:46:02] YuviPanda|zzz: one thing i noticed that there is a difference in time stamps the two scripts generate during my evening (the shell script generated a UTC date, and the python script's output is in localtime) [05:46:22] YuviPanda|zzz: cool, as long as they are consistent [05:47:20] (03CR) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: [C: 031] Change the X to a back icon in editing workflow [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 (owner: 10Kaldari) [05:54:52] basile: ah :) [05:55:03] err, sorry basile. wrong ping [07:30:27] Deskana: wow, just realized that we actually have about 60 beta testers, not 40k. makes me feel much better about the release [07:30:33] * YuviPanda wonders why Deskana isn't Deskana|away [08:09:30] YuviPanda: yo yo yo yo [08:09:35] aharoni: heya [08:09:41] what's the repo for the iOS app? [08:09:48] Gerrit - apps/ios/wikipedia ? [08:09:57] aharoni: yeah [08:09:59] yep [08:10:07] thanks [08:10:09] brion is awake! [08:10:20] my sleep schedule’s all messed up :D [08:10:34] slept all evening and now i’m awake at 1am :D [08:10:40] brion: :D [08:14:27] oh man i should check the google i/o schedule, see if it’s worth hitting any sessions [08:14:43] brion: I/O might bring new design guidelines [08:14:54] yeah i was interested in hitting their cross-platform design session [08:15:08] brion: yeah, apparently works across android, iOS and web [08:16:11] YuviPanda, brion : tell me if I'm understanding this correctly: under wikipedia/*.lproj files contain the translation exported from translatewiki? [08:16:22] some wear and glass sessions whcih could be interesting but my time’s better spent elsewhere [08:16:29] aharoni: correct [08:16:31] aharoni: sadly (or happily? :)) I don't have any knowledge of the iOS app [08:16:37] brion: thanks [08:16:39] aharoni: there should be up to 3 .strings files in each directory [08:16:51] brion: yeah, that's what I see. just wanted to make sure. [08:16:52] which are subgroups in the TWN config [08:17:27] fuck it, maybe i’ll hit the keynote…. that means i have to pick up my badge in the morning though [08:17:29] *shudder* lines [08:17:30] I just want to be familiar with all the different L10n formats [08:18:32] aharoni: the ios/osx system is somewhat similar to .po files [08:18:41] you can let it extract english strings from your source (ewww) [08:18:46] or you can use your own keys [08:18:50] which is what we do (keys) [08:19:19] since that lets us have the same english string appear distinctly in different usages, which transltors like :D [08:20:31] ‘An update to the carrier settings for your iPad is available. Would you like to download it now?’ oooh mysterious [08:20:39] brion: aharoni did I tell you morelocales2 no longer works on recent androids? [08:20:52] brion: aharoni so no way to switch to a language that's not in the localse the OEM/Carrier ships [08:20:57] whaaaaaaaaat [08:20:59] that’s lame [08:21:11] aharoni: brion so most of our locales will actually never be usable on newer androids :( [08:21:11] might as well get an iphone then ;) [08:21:12] brion: very good, keys rule [08:21:13] or seen at all [08:21:24] brion: aharoni wondering if we should just say fuckit and write our own at some point [08:21:25] YuviPanda: at some point we may want ot think about a manual override for UI language [08:21:35] brion: can't do that with the default i18n framewokr [08:21:39] ugh! [08:21:41] that’s rough [08:21:48] brion: YuviPanda - wasn't there something like it in the PhoneGap app? [08:21:48] cause that’s pretty solidly built into the layouts and such [08:22:01] aharoni: yes, but that was phonegap :) js based, so easier to do [08:22:05] we just reused mw's, IIRC [08:22:19] yeah we reused some of the mediawiki JS code for the interface [08:22:20] did you complain about it to google or some android developer forums or somthing? [08:22:22] tweaked it a bit [08:22:38] can you bring it up on wikimedia mailing lists somehow? [08:22:43] aharoni: usually has no effect so didn't bother. [08:22:44] oh hey, google i/o might be a good time to complain :D [08:22:50] lemme see if there’s an i18n session [08:23:09] it's not your fault, of course, but at least this will reduce the unpleasant surprise [08:23:25] aharoni: this has been the case for about a year [08:23:27] there…. is not :P [08:23:45] aharoni: and even in the previous app there's no way to actually switch UI language without switching it on your phone, so nothing's really changed on our end [08:24:56] aharoni: I also dunno where to bring this up. wikitech-l? wikimedia-l? and also unsure what exactly to say [08:26:07] mmmmmm. [08:26:31] wikitech won't hurt [08:27:05] aharoni: still unsure what to say. this has been status quo for about a year now, almost. your android tablet is probably affected too [08:27:18] do you have any way to see how many actual users did such manual switching? [08:27:21] well i stuck a card in the backlog for now: https://trello.com/c/jEjoeTAQ/585-devise-a-way-for-rare-ui-languages-to-be-selected-on-android-and-ios [08:27:32] aharoni: no [08:27:44] (could be a useful thing to measure) [08:35:31] aharoni: agreed, but unsure how exactly to do that. [08:35:40] aharoni: one thing would be to send locale with every request [08:35:49] aharoni: so we can compare phone locale to wiki language used [08:35:53] YuviPanda: yeah, something like that [08:36:22] and know whether it's worth the effort to develop more localization cleverness [08:36:31] aharoni: right. [08:36:33] it really should be Android's responsibility [08:36:48] AND COME ON, HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THAT [08:37:06] aharoni: they have it all, just selectively disable on most phones. for god knows what [08:37:09] YuviPanda: maybe you could submit an upstream patch straight to Android? :) [08:37:24] aharoni: they already have the features. they just selectively disable the locales shipped [08:37:47] well yeah, they probably have many locales, but do they have ALL? [08:37:54] do they have sah, for example? [08:38:05] (my favorite language to test, and a pretty active translating community) [08:38:13] did they fix the 3-letter locale bug? [08:38:54] aharoni: no [08:39:01] aharoni: afaik, at least. [08:39:12] brion_: kinda. not shipped with anything. aapt still barfs when it encounters them [08:39:30] bluh [08:39:34] YuviPanda: they should have something like MoreLocale in the stock menus somewhere. [08:39:46] aharoni: yeah, but instead morelocale itself doesn't work anymore [08:39:49] hmm, limechat for ios doesn't quite understand that bluetooth keyboards exist. i gotta find me the source for that [08:56:06] (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 04-1] "i18n/L10n reviewed." (031 comment) [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141852 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [08:57:42] ahh, colloquy for ios handles the bluetooth kbd correctly [09:08:15] (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] Proactively handle network connection error. [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141600 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [09:58:37] (03PS1) 10Brion VIBBER: Add updated localization files to project [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141914 [10:04:08] (03CR) 10Brion VIBBER: [C: 032 V: 032] "self merge project file adds :D" [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141914 (owner: 10Brion VIBBER) [10:54:29] (03PS1) 10Brion VIBBER: Work in progress: EventLogging opt-out switch [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141926 [11:16:26] YuviPanda: so... releasing anything non-beta any time soon? like, today or something? [11:16:29] or am i confused? [11:19:17] aharoni: yup. 9am pdt [11:19:22] wee [11:19:24] aharoni: :D [11:19:31] YuviPanda: i can haz apk? [11:19:33] aharoni: I'll do a translations import just before that as well. [11:19:38] aharoni: it's the same as what went to beta yesterday [11:19:48] there were a few new strings yesterday [11:19:52] aharoni: code has been frozen. [11:19:57] aharoni: no new translations have come up, I think. [11:20:01] ok [11:20:10] I'll check the beta then. [11:20:12] thanks [11:20:12] aharoni: :) [11:20:15] aharoni: yw! [11:39:41] obtw YuviPanda [11:39:50] is the name still "mobile Wikipedia"? [11:39:53] or just "Wikipedia"? [11:39:56] aharoni: ? just Wikipedia [11:39:58] it's always been [11:40:02] heh [11:40:11] in Hebrew it's a translation of "mobile Wikipedia", [11:40:23] and this translation was probably done by me for PhoneGap a long long time ago [11:41:21] i remember you mobile people telling me several times that app titles are a pain to update [11:41:46] YuviPanda: it should probably be refreshed now for the big release [11:41:57] aharoni: ah, yeah. [11:42:07] aharoni: I will do that. it should just be 'Wikipedia' [11:42:30] oh, and you know what's curious? [11:42:53] in the Play Store app I see that old Hebrew title - "Mobile Wikipedia", [11:43:41] but in the big apps list it's just Wikipedia (in Hebrew - ויקיפדיה) [11:46:15] aharoni: aha. [11:46:20] aharoni: hmm, unsure why that's happening [11:47:34] by "the big apps list" I refer to the device's own menu... not sure how is it called... where all the installed app icons are and from which you can launch them [11:52:15] YuviPanda: "Update all saved pages" is not translated in the current beta [11:52:26] I translated it very recently, probably yesterday. [11:52:30] aharoni: yeah, that string was added only on Monday [11:52:36] aharoni: yeah, mustn't have made it in the export [11:52:37] will it be released today? [11:52:42] aharoni: yeah, it'll be added [11:52:47] YuviPanda: ok, good [11:53:28] YuviPanda: this can be an rtl issue, but maybe it's ok: [11:53:44] in yes/no dialogs, is "yes" supposed to be the first? [11:53:56] aharoni: hmm, we just let the system handle that. [11:53:58] I am unsure [11:54:03] hmm [11:54:07] let me see how it is in English [11:55:20] (why does changing the locale change it for all the device's users? what a stupid thing.) [11:57:06] heh, YuviPanda : it's not an issue! In English "No" is first, too. [11:57:33] so rtl-wise it's correct, because it's shown in the same order and properly flipped. [11:57:52] I'll leave it to the designers to decide what is supposed to be the first answer. [11:59:46] aharoni: :) cool! [12:00:00] aharoni: so far looking much better than the first release of the old app :) [13:06:02] 3MobileFrontend / 3General/Unknown: Image caption text color is too light - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67005#c23 (10Elitre) I can see the differentiation in this last mockup; I would /not/ recommend a lighter grey for the caption. [13:30:17] (03CR) 10Dr0ptp4kt: "See question in inline comment." (031 comment) [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141852 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [13:38:05] 3Wikipedia App / 3Android App: Multiple runs of saved page mass-refresh can be queued up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67079 (10Sage Ross) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None If a user begins a refresh-all action, then presses 'Back', the dialog disappears but the refresh continues. However, there... [14:05:48] (03CR) 10Siebrand: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. (031 comment) [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141852 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [14:30:45] (03PS6) 10Dbrant: [WIP] Implement syntax highlighting in Edit window. [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/137684 [14:46:08] (03PS1) 10Dbrant: Force locale when parsing MW dates to avoid parsing errors. [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141964 [14:51:10] * YuviPanda waves at dbran [14:51:12] dbrant: [14:51:13] i mean [14:51:15] * YuviPanda waves at dbrant [14:51:20] hey! [14:51:45] zero OTRS crashes overnight... [14:54:37] hey, test.wikipedia.org no longer crashes the app! [14:55:28] (03PS2) 10Dbrant: Force locale when parsing MW dates to avoid parsing errors. [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141964 [14:56:40] dbrant: did you check the crashes subqueue? we moved them over... [14:56:52] YuviPanda: I did not! [14:57:05] dbrant: yeah, we moved crashes to a separate queue to make things easier. [14:57:10] YuviPanda: I just go by the emails that I receive. [14:57:21] dbrant: yeah, so you might need to enable notifications for that queue as well [15:00:05] YuviPanda: not sure if I'm looking at the right queue, but I still don't see any crashes since ~16 hours ago. [15:00:14] dbrant: in that case all good, I think :D [15:07:14] dbrant: I'll do an i18n import in about 20m, then email out the apk. we should take a cursory look (and check for saved pages upgrade from older versions! :) ) and then we can push! [15:07:49] YuviPanda: woot [15:07:55] dbrant: :D [15:17:11] * bearND waves at YuviPandaand dbrant [15:17:21] hey bearND! [15:17:23] hey! [15:17:44] bearND: dbrant thanks for doing merges/releases yesterday night [15:17:58] how's it going with the next one? [15:18:21] YuviPanda: ^ [15:18:38] bearND: nothing touched, and no OTRS crashes repoted. [15:19:00] bearND: I'm doing a twn import in 5mins, then send out apk to mobile-tech, test for 5-10mins (and test upgrade from old app) and then put on play store [15:22:25] (03PS1) 10Yuvipanda: Bump Schema revID for Edit Funnel [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141972 [15:22:29] bearND: dbrant thoughts about merging ^ before release? should have absolutely 0 effect. [15:23:41] YuviPanda: +1, ni idea where those numbers are coming from but yeah, that ok with me [15:23:50] s/ni/no/ [15:24:10] bearND: numbers coming from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schema:MobileWikiAppEdit (see 'revision' underneath title) [15:24:34] bearND: and the actual change is just https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schema%3AMobileWikiAppEdit&diff=9003125&oldid=8994704 which as you can see is just a doc update that should have no effect on anything [15:24:37] dbrant: bearND ^ [15:25:17] YuviPanda: cool that helps. ty! [15:28:37] YuviPanda: i'm trying to do a fake 'mvn release' for java-mwapi. [15:31:11] bearND: ah. how did that go? [15:31:43] YuviPanda: currently deploy to local fs, then i'm going to copy to tools server [15:31:49] (03CR) 10Dbrant: [C: 032] Bump Schema revID for Edit Funnel [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141972 (owner: 10Yuvipanda) [15:32:17] bearND: yeah, that sounds good [15:32:25] dbrant: ty [15:32:37] bearND: dbrant doing a translation import [15:32:40] YuviPanda: how are you dealing with the icons for the release? [15:33:02] bearND: I'll just make a 'bump' with the icon as well. Later today I'll extend 'make-beta.py' [15:34:48] YuviPanda: Maybe we should just change the icon for alpha to be the same as prod. That could make releases simpler. [15:35:05] bearND: yeah, but wouldn't give people a differentiator. it's trivial to do in the script [15:35:13] (03PS1) 10BearND: Add deploy config to pom.xml [apps/android/java-mwapi] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141974 [15:35:13] writing code that writes/modifies code is always fun [15:35:33] (03PS1) 10BearND: release to 1.0 [apps/android/java-mwapi] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141975 [15:37:06] YuviPanda: any wishes for next version number of java-mwapi? [15:37:26] 1.0.1-SNAPSHOT? [15:37:32] bearND: 1.1-SNAPSHOT sounds ok. [15:37:40] YuviPanda: ok [15:43:49] bearND: slight issues with twn import, should be there momentarily [15:52:41] Nine minutes! [15:52:43] Excited. [15:53:13] \o/ [15:53:22] Deskana: :D [15:53:28] Deskana: doing a final i18n import [15:54:10] (03PS1) 10Yuvipanda: Manul translation updates from TWN [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141978 [15:54:38] (03PS2) 10Yuvipanda: Manual translation updates from TWN [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141978 [15:54:44] bearND: [15:57:50] YuviPanda: checking out the translations. have you run the TranslationsTests? [15:57:59] bearND: yeah, running. italian fails agian. [15:59:19] bearND: ^ now works. [15:59:23] and passes [15:59:29] (03PS3) 10Yuvipanda: Manual translation updates from TWN [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141978 [15:59:39] bearND: wanna merge? [15:59:58] YuviPanda: i was getting compiler errors in values-cs/strings.xml [16:00:03] bearND: yeah, fixed that [16:00:07] YuviPanda: checking out the new patch [16:00:09] Deskana: have link to the store description handy? [16:01:22] YuviPanda: cool. it's happy this time [16:01:30] bearND: :D do merge [16:01:31] (03CR) 10BearND: [C: 032] Manual translation updates from TWN [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141978 (owner: 10Yuvipanda) [16:01:58] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Manual translation updates from TWN [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141978 (owner: 10Yuvipanda) [16:02:11] YuviPanda: skip the java-api change for now. we'll figure that one out later [16:02:22] * brion pulls up the google i/o keynote video from the comfort of his home office [16:02:22] bearND: yeah [16:03:37] YuviPanda: Sec. [16:03:40] brion: if i had a ticket and was close i would go, was even tempted to drive to IO Extended an hour away from me, if it wasn't for the release [16:03:42] (03PS1) 10Yuvipanda: Make 2.0 release [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141988 [16:03:45] dbrant: bearND ^ [16:03:52] YuviPanda: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:DGarry_(WMF)/Apps/Android/Store_Description [16:03:56] :) [16:03:57] YuviPanda: Copy from the edit window [16:03:58] Woot! [16:04:32] bearND: +2? [16:04:34] YuviPanda: checking... [16:04:38] either :) [16:04:41] I'm making release build now [16:05:32] looks like dbrant is already on it [16:05:35] cool [16:06:38] (03PS6) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: Align the visibility of TOC to desktop [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141047 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/66861) [16:06:40] (03CR) 10Dbrant: [C: 032] "bam." [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141988 (owner: 10Yuvipanda) [16:06:54] (03PS7) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: Align the visibility of TOC to desktop [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141047 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/66861) [16:07:32] I really have to head into the office but I'm going to wait as long as possible. I want to be here when it happens! [16:08:02] Deskana: gonna be another 5-10 mins I'd say [16:08:12] * Deskana can wait that long. [16:08:14] Deskana: I just want to verify that saved page updates still work, since we have only one shot for this. [16:08:20] Deskana: dbrant bearND apk on mobile-tech [16:08:22] Good call. [16:08:56] YuviPanda: bearND: Deskana: testing... [16:08:58] dbrant: bearND Deskana old apk signed with same key (old app) at http://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/Wikipedia-v1.3.4.apk [16:09:23] YuviPanda: where is it? not in https://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/wikipedia/? [16:09:29] bearND: it's under android/ [16:09:37] bearND: we have the URLs floating around a bit, so didn't want to move those [16:10:46] YuviPanda: what's the URL? [16:10:56] YuviPanda: dbrant: bearND Deskana old apk signed with same key (old app) at http://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/Wikipedia-v1.3.4.apk [16:11:23] YuviPanda: why 1.3.4? should be 2.0 [16:11:49] bearND: that's the old app (signed with the same key) for testing import of saved pages [16:11:55] (03PS8) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: Align the visibility of TOC to desktop [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141047 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/66861) [16:12:05] YuviPanda: where is the new one? [16:12:12] bearND: mobile-tech [16:12:14] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Align the visibility of TOC to desktop [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141047 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/66861) (owner: 10Florianschmidtwelzow) [16:12:20] testing the 2.0 apk... [16:12:41] just tested upgrade, looks ok to me \o/. do test, other people. let me prep things on play store [16:12:49] 3MobileFrontend / 3Hygiene: HTMLFormatter should never run on Flow pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67085 (10Jon) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3Jon We need some standard way to turn on/off the formatter. When viewing Flow on mobile I notice that the HTML gets altered with bizarre results - e.g.... [16:15:08] YuviPanda: bearND: confirmed that upgrade/import is functioning! [16:15:11] Works for me! [16:15:16] YuviPanda: URL for mobile-tech? [16:15:23] bearND: email! [16:15:38] (03PS9) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: Align the visibility of TOC to desktop [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141047 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/66861) [16:15:50] bearND: it should be in your wikimedia.org inbox? [16:15:53] dbrant: thanks, had to hit refresh to make it show up [16:16:04] YuviPanda: ^ thanks [16:19:56] Deskana: dbrant bearND realized we don't have copy for 'what's new' section, so writing at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/changes [16:20:29] so should be relative to what wasn't there in the previous app [16:20:36] YuviPanda: you did it :) tested saved pages as well, but in German on wikide [16:20:42] Deskana: :D nice [16:21:19] YuviPanda: we can use some of the writeup from the older versions of the beta app, or Deskana's store description also covers a lot already [16:21:43] bearND: I mostly did, but couldn't find anything comprehensive [16:22:01] Deskana: check that etherpad, if it's ok for you, I'll hit publish :) [16:23:05] * YuviPanda pokes Deskana again [16:23:19] * Deskana looks. [16:24:09] Hmm, it's a bit scattered [16:24:37] Deskana: 500 char limit, btw. [16:25:00] That's 42 too long. [16:25:09] Deskana: yeah [16:25:20] Deskana: two saved pages notes, we can remove the first one [16:25:27] Deskana: unless saved page exist, they won't be imported... [16:25:38] And it's still too long! :P [16:25:46] 24... [16:26:17] probably could skip "(content, as always, is freely licensed)." [16:26:17] Deskana: remove 'you can' in 'edit wikipedia'? [16:26:29] 501 [16:26:30] ... [16:26:38] Done [16:26:38] haha [16:26:39] 493 [16:26:40] GO [16:26:49] And now I have to go. :) [16:26:55] Send me an email when it's out! [16:27:00] Catch you at the standup. :) [16:27:10] Deskana: done [16:27:17] Deskana: brion dbrant bearND hit publish! \o/ [16:27:28] HIT PUBLISH [16:27:30] \o/ [16:27:33] sweet baby jesus. [16:27:36] \o/ \o/ [16:27:36] indeed [16:27:49] W00000000t! :) [16:28:09] still doing other minor things (updating hires icon, etc) [16:28:15] and remove all the old translations [16:28:41] YuviPanda: need new screenshots [16:28:46] bearND: yeah [16:29:08] * dbrant raises shields for OTRS deluge. [16:29:40] and icon updated [16:33:20] aharoni: app is out! [16:34:28] weeeeee [16:34:58] wooooooooo [16:36:37] jdlrobson2: Complaints about vectorbeta in #mediawiki [16:37:59] def interested in the new design stuff google’s doing…. better animations, and automatic handling of things like drop-shadows for a z-index stack effect [16:38:24] nice subtle one-up of ios 7 ;) [16:40:54] dbrant|brb: bearND can one of you do the screenshots? am in a meeting with analytics [16:42:51] YuviPanda: ok [16:46:25] yay dalvik is dead in next android. ART only [16:46:58] yurik: We're seeing a lot of search errors on Wikipedia over USSD. Any idea what's up? [16:47:31] (or anyone else who might know) [16:47:32] 64-bit support too, which we shouldn’t have to worry about on the java side. [16:52:51] do we have a ussd service actually in production? [16:53:04] or is that some experiment? [16:53:32] bearND: are you doing screenshots for "phone"? (I can do screenshots for 10" tablet) [16:53:54] (03PS2) 10Kaldari: Change the X to a back icon in editing workflow [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 [16:54:04] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Change the X to a back icon in editing workflow [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 (owner: 10Kaldari) [16:54:46] bearND: dbrant yeah, and for 7" as well [16:55:39] bearND: yeah, am just doing phone right now, please do tablets if you can [16:56:16] YuviPanda: bearND: OK, I'll do 10" tablet, but I don't have a 7" one [16:56:34] cool :) [17:01:49] 3Wikipedia App / 3Android App: The app crashes when a broken (IPv6) connection exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67089 (10Liangent) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None java.lang.RuntimeException: org.mediawiki.api.json.ApiException: java.net.ConnectException: failed to connect to zh.m.wikipedia.... [17:02:47] 3Wikipedia App / 3Android App: The app crashes when a broken IPv6 connection exists, and doesn't fall back to IPv4 gracefully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67089 (10Liangent) [17:03:44] How is the rollout looking? [17:03:55] flyingclimber: looking good so far. nobody's gotten anything yet [17:04:35] I saw an update come through play but I wasn't sure which version it was [17:05:29] Are we waiting for it to propogate before we publish the blog post? [17:05:51] the android wear demos are looking awesome…. all the good bits of Google Glass without a camera hanging on your face [17:06:15] flyingclimber: Deskana|Away had it scheduled with comms for 12 PDT, I think. giving 3h for propogation. [17:06:28] Brion are you at the keynote? [17:06:29] brion: Yes, in Kenya. [17:06:35] Yuvi. K [17:06:37] flyingclimber: watching it from home office [17:06:44] less crowded ;) [17:06:57] will be back downtown this afternoon [17:07:07] It is pretty crowded here [17:08:20] hey mhurd [17:08:24] brion: heya! [17:08:24] YuviPanda bearND dbrant Deskana|Away i'd like to update the verbiage in the play store to use the term "mobile operators" instead of "cellular carriers". "mobile network operators" is technically the correct term, but "mobile operators" is shorter and equally clear. okay? [17:08:34] dr0ptp4kt: go ahead. [17:08:39] I checked my screenshot. It was the main app update but since I have the alpha I couldn't tell [17:08:41] YuviPanda: on it [17:08:58] flyingclimber: yeah, I think we should move away from the alpha, since having it means you can't have stable. [17:10:16] Either alpha or beta needs to die [17:10:42] flyingclimber: my aim is to 'alpha' [17:10:59] bearND and dbrant: me hitting 'save and publish' for the production app isn't going to conflict with screenshots from you, right? i wanted to make sure it was okay to hit that button. cc YuviPanda Deskana|Away [17:11:06] dr0ptp4kt: go ahead [17:11:08] dr0ptp4kt: not at all [17:11:09] (from my side) [17:11:38] That moto demon was slick [17:11:39] Demo [17:11:40] Hah [17:12:13] * YuviPanda is in a meeting with analytics, will watch IO later [17:12:18] A moto demon would be a great name [17:12:23] brion: at io? [17:12:28] YuviPanda dbrant bearND Deskana|Away: k, i updated the w0 verbiage to be consistent with the etherpad and use the term "mobile operator" [17:12:47] mhurd: been watching the keynote at home, will come into office when that’s done [17:12:56] brion: nice :) [17:12:58] might or might not hit one of the design sessions in the afternoon [17:13:09] we doing standup today? [17:13:25] Mhurd will be running it [17:13:36] flyingclimber: brion sounds good [17:13:47] ok [17:15:36] (03PS3) 10Kaldari: Change the X to a back icon in editing workflow [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 [17:15:38] (03PS6) 10Kaldari: Change editor switcher to cog icon and move to right side [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141092 [17:19:05] MaxSem or kaldari -- searching through gerrit makes my brain hurt. if you guys have a sec, can you check to see when the patch to move lastmodified to stable was merged? [17:19:17] sure [17:19:20] danke [17:20:34] because srsly, this is crazy: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Modeling_monthly_active_editors/Work_log/2014-06-24#mediaviewer/File:Monthly_active_editors.by_group.en_mobile.svg [17:29:16] damn, in the excitement I forgot to order food [17:31:38] zomg LG G Watch available later today for order from google play :D [17:32:05] Deskana|Away: article + page = particle? [17:32:19] Brion I'm eager for the moto [17:32:22] IT'S OUT [17:32:24] Now I need to find a device that never had the beta on it. [17:32:26] Woot [17:32:36] article/page duality! [17:32:46] Deskana mine came in around 10 [17:32:46] brion: haha [17:33:11] But I'm on alpha so nothing changed [17:33:19] yeah the round one looks cooler [17:33:56] i just wanna relieve my childhood smartwatch: http://www.casio-usa.com/products/Watches/Databank/DBC310-1/ [17:34:00] *relive [17:34:25] Can I opt out of the tablet on my alpha? [17:35:00] Deskana: i think if you had a different google play id for it you could [17:35:06] * YuviPanda opts Deskana out of his tablet [17:35:16] or YuviPanda can be a puppetmaster [17:35:34] Deskana: I think we need to get rid of alpha, now that the app is out in stores. beta should be good enough [17:37:23] Well I just went to the store and I see an update for the app that says "We went native!" so I guess that's it :) [17:37:44] So Vibha has some screenshots. [17:37:46] Let me get htem. [17:38:00] Kaldari can you be in the wikimed office discussion? [17:39:01] dr0ptp4kt, any patches before depl? [17:39:12] yurikR: nope [17:39:26] These are her screenshots: http://imgur.com/SBiAUw0,wgizQW2,xESLJlR,Pvw2r0e,1WMF0If [17:39:34] flyingclimber: I would love to! Where is that? [17:39:38] I'm going through now and blanking out the notification bar (you can see on the first screenshot that I've already started) [17:39:49] or when, even? [17:40:13] Deskana: ok. can you upload the screenshots? :) [17:40:25] Once I'm done blanking, yep. [17:40:26] Deskana: ok, can't use [17:40:28] Deskana: ah [17:40:29] Deskana: ok :) [17:40:48] If those notifications are blanked, are we okay? [17:41:35] Deskana: let me re-verify. [17:41:56] Deskana: I'd say so yea [17:42:05] Okay, uploading. [17:43:35] Erm [17:43:41] "Please check the languages marked above for errors" [17:44:37] (03PS1) 10Cmcmahon: QA: element locators changed [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142010 [17:44:47] Deskana: sorry, didn't notice that you are going to upload screenshots as well [17:45:02] Deskana: i just uploaded some of mine. Feel free to replace [17:45:02] Oh, should I just refresh and try again? [17:45:08] Deskana: yeah [17:45:25] Deskana: funny that she picked Iceberg, and I picked Ice for the page [17:45:47] bearND: dbrant|lunch just saw the update live! [17:45:51] looks good :) [17:45:51] kaldari (or someone), would you merge this one? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/142010 it's causing 10 failures right now. [17:46:18] bearND: Yeah, sorry, we kind of had crossed wires here. [17:48:22] flyingclimber: bah, I can't use the L preview on my phone :'( no N4 love [17:49:15] d'oh [17:49:53] Deskana: vbamba: probably would be good to have some editing screenshots [17:49:54] (03CR) 10Kaldari: [C: 032] QA: element locators changed [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142010 (owner: 10Cmcmahon) [17:50:17] bearND: I actually think we should be very very careful about that. [17:50:25] bearND: That's something we should discuss closely with comms. [17:50:29] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: QA: element locators changed [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142010 (owner: 10Cmcmahon) [17:50:45] Deskana: ok [17:54:18] Okay, Nexus 7 screenshots taken. [17:54:23] Double-checking then uploading. [17:55:43] bearND: YuviPanda dbrant|lunch - I made a considered decision to now show editing screenshots [17:55:59] We need to work on the flow - some critical things like help and first time ux are missing [17:56:06] its not ready for prime time yet [17:58:19] jgonera: you should really join #wikimedia-office [17:58:33] jdlrobson, what is going on there? [17:58:39] vbamba: sure, it's not like people won't edit if there are no screenshots :) [17:59:35] jgonera: frontend ui standardisation conversation [17:59:46] Okay, Nexus 7 screenshots added to store. [17:59:50] so pretty important particularly since it hits mobile [18:00:05] jgonera: i'll send you the log so far [18:00:17] ok thanks [18:02:07] YuviPanda: mobile-android-wikipedia@wikimedia.org [18:02:10] YuviPanda: That's correct? [18:02:24] Deskana: ya [18:02:47] we're already getting some great reviews on the store :) [18:02:59] Cool, just checking. [18:10:16] YuviPanda bearND dbrant|lunch any of you guys have a 2.3 device and able to see the app in play store? as discussed the other night, it seems the one i have here lacks sufficient capabilities or something. [18:10:37] The redesign is awesome! Looks beautiful and no crashes anymore. Only thing I can think of that I would like added is a night mode AKA dark theme option. [18:10:38] Hahaha [18:10:42] Indeed. [18:10:51] dr0ptp4kt: I've got a DroidX [18:11:14] bearND: any luck on that? [18:11:36] (via store only, not adb install / debug deploy) [18:11:36] checking… [18:11:42] (03PS2) 10Brion VIBBER: Work in progress: EventLogging opt-out switch [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141926 [18:12:16] mhurd: i’m gonna have some AutoLayout questions about that change for ya later :D [18:12:32] brion: cool! :) [18:12:50] my spacing’s weird and i make it worse when i try to fix it ;)) [18:13:33] dr0ptp4kt: shows up for me [18:13:44] bearND: and installs and runs and everything? [18:15:22] brion: hehe will poke as soon as i get this pesky view controller stuff settled :) [18:15:28] dr0ptp4kt: yes, functionality wise it's there. just doesn't look as good as on 4.x [18:15:32] k :D [18:15:56] "Perfect is an understatement." [18:16:00] bearND: cool man, thanks [18:16:22] "+1 on dark theme option." [18:16:43] black is the new black [18:17:57] Deskana: is this reviews or? [18:18:00] Yep. [18:18:13] Admittedly one was copied from the Wikipedia Beta app because I'm stupid. [18:18:26] But people are even asking for night mode on the Wikipedia app too, in spite of it never having it. [18:18:44] oh hey YuviPanda, on the dark theme, inversion of the zero stuff should happen also. i don't know if it means making it a grey background or white background. today, when w0 is on the background of the action bar is black, of course [18:19:48] dr0ptp4kt: I was thinking of just doing it for the content and leaving chrome alone [18:20:52] brion: I'm following the verge live blog, and it's annoying as fuck. A lot of 'look at these nerds hahaha' attitude for anything non-UX related [18:21:19] i don’t expect much from the verge [18:21:28] brion: yeah, I used to follow them for that before... [18:23:38] YuviPanda: k, cool. if any changes needed for some reason, though, relevant part is in setWikipediaZeroChrome in SearchArticlesFragment.java. [18:28:42] dr0ptp4kt: yeah, cool :) [18:30:05] Deskana: you should include a direct APK link too, in public announcements. [18:30:25] I suspect that a fair few folks on wikimedia-l have Android devices without Play store access. [18:31:12] yurik yurikR any progress on the deployment of master for ZeroBanner? [18:31:32] dr0ptp4kt, it has been scaping for the past 10 min [18:31:41] yurikR cool thx [18:32:37] ragesoss: Good point. I'll include that when I get a chance (meeting now) [18:33:06] Deskana: cool. I'll send a reply with the link on wikimedia-l [18:35:14] err... well, I don't actually know where the release version is. [18:36:00] YuviPanda: is the non-beta version also going to be somewhere on https://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/ ? [18:36:42] omfg this keynote is still going? [18:36:45] * brion stabs eyes out [18:36:54] ragesoss: ya, should put it up... [18:37:01] ragesoss: following the vent-fest on #wikimedia-office [18:37:32] is that a question for me, or an excuse for you? [18:37:47] (if the former: no, I'm not. should I be?_ [18:38:33] (03PS1) 10MaxSem: Contextize PageRenderingHooks [extensions/ZeroBanner] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142029 [18:40:30] bearND|bbl: qq [18:40:36] ok gonna head into the office shortly [18:40:43] Maryana, I was going to attend the VE bug thing meeting in person, but I didn't know that an IRC UI standardization discussion was going to happen [18:40:43] YuviPanda: hey, qq [18:41:01] is it OK if I just do a hangout? although showing bugs on a tablet might be tricky... [18:41:07] vbamba: sure? [18:41:13] ragesoss: excuse for me :) [18:41:27] Maryana, maybe we can reschedule this? it's not like we care about fixing those bugs today before the train anyway [18:42:04] YuviPanda: around for a qq related to abuse filter assets [18:42:25] can't find the other two musketeers [18:42:59] vbamba: I'd rather dbrant|lunch handle it when he's back, so it's not you telling me and then me telling dbrant|lunch. [18:43:22] vbamba: but if you're asking about SVG sizes, just send us SVGs with no padding and we'll take care of it [18:44:06] no, this question is bigger than that. Ill wait for dbrant|lunch [18:44:42] vbamba: ok :) [18:46:14] kaldari, is Maryana somewhere around? [18:46:22] or jdlrobson [18:46:27] YuviPanda: I did also want to discuss the saved page feedback in the overflow menu [18:46:47] dr0ptp4kt, done [18:46:54] talk to dbrant|lunch about that? [18:48:08] vbamba: that me or bearND can do as well. 'sup? [18:48:13] yurikR: thx [18:48:40] vbamba: we were planning on making 'save page' be 'refresh page' if you're already in a saved page. [18:49:57] jgonera: are you in the office? [18:50:28] Maryana, I am not, that's why I'm asking, I asked James and Rummana in #mediawiki-visualeditor, they're OK with it [18:50:37] ok [18:55:58] dbrant|lunch: hmmm, reports of force closes on nexus 5 [18:56:00] YuviPanda: I got about 45 minutes through it just now... blegh. [18:56:06] ragesoss: yea [18:56:13] ragesoss: reccomend not reading :) [18:56:52] I've been playing around lately with the WordPress responsive themes lately. [18:57:07] YuviPanda: Quick Hangout? [18:57:26] it's definitely cool having a design that shifts from desktop down to mobile, just depending on the width of your screen. [18:57:30] vbamba: can we keep it on IRC so dbrant|lunch and bearND can catch up when they're back? this is more important now that there're more team members [18:58:01] Ill just talk to them when they get back [18:58:17] vbamba: err, ok [18:58:21] chat is not the best method for a design brainstorm. [18:58:40] Ill discuss with them and send a summary [18:58:46] vbamba: ok. do remember to send a summary. [18:58:51] vbamba: to mobile-l [18:59:24] YuviPanda: Can we upload the APK to https://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/wikipedia/ ? [18:59:46] Deskana: yeah, doing now [19:01:43] jgonera, jdlrobson: did you already have a chance to give knockoff / tassembly a spin? [19:02:56] gwicke: i'm on Flow right now so it won't be me :) Have Flow taken a look at it yet? [19:03:08] if not i could steer them into investigating it [19:04:03] Deskana: ragesoss http://releases.wikimedia.org/mobile/android/wikipedia/stable/wikipedia-2.0.apk [19:04:10] Deskana: ragesoss make that https? :) [19:05:16] jdlrobson: maybe you could team up with shayar on that ;) [19:07:00] yurikR: the mcc-mnc update is working just fine. thanks again for the deployment [19:07:02] dbrant|lunch: Deskana I'm thinking of an early night tonight, which means I'd sleep in about 1h. Checking OTRS and noodling about dark theme till then [19:07:16] dr0ptp4kt, np [19:08:20] Deskana: vbamba not adding editing screenshots to play store doesn't have much of an effect :) http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/25/new-wikipedia-app-android/ [19:11:28] hey Deskana, anybody on point for distribution to the amazon app store and other top places like http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-app-stores/#!3PJ0b ? [19:12:03] Deskana: i'm happy to run with that. after our first bugfix release, i'll be uploading the apk to an oem portal, so it wouldn't be too hard to look at other places [19:14:13] * ragesoss mumbles something about F-Droid. [19:14:19] ragesoss: f-droid isn't happening [19:14:24] ragesoss: let me dig up an explanation [19:14:48] YuviPanda: Okay. [19:14:59] ragesoss: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/27e9i4/the_official_wikipedia_app_has_been_completely/ci50kew why F-Droid won't happen [19:15:04] dr0ptp4kt: I have no idea. [19:15:08] gwicke, kaldari will probably work on it today or tomorrow [19:15:09] ragesoss: (that's the comment from me) [19:15:19] Deskana: dr0ptp4kt we'll have to be careful about those since those will require constant updates too [19:15:55] Maryana: I checked with the FR folks the banners that were running on mobile for anons in the first half of May and WLE banners got a ton of impressions during the May 2 - May 14 period [19:15:55] dbrant|lunch: bearND plz ping when you are back [19:16:04] jgonera, kaldari: great, thanks! [19:16:05] thanks YuviPanda. [19:16:36] DarTar: i'm looking at the CN calendar and don't see any fr banners at that time: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Calendar [19:17:02] YuviPanda, agreed. YuviPanda, Deskana, maybe once monthly starting with the first bugfix release? [19:17:18] http://pastebin.com/ZGqziNxA [19:17:22] Maryana: ^^ [19:17:24] vbamba: ping [19:17:49] Maryana: L121 and following [19:18:09] bearND: oh youre back! yay! [19:18:11] hangout? [19:18:26] https://trello.com/c/NVw38u0P/8-design [19:18:36] need some input on this + saved pages feedback [19:18:44] I need to step away for a while. [19:19:12] Totally burned due to non-apps stuff. :/ [19:20:42] vbamba: in 10 minutes ok? [19:20:52] DarTar: interesting.. i don't see any of these targetting enwiki, tho [19:21:20] * YuviPanda gives Deskana some <3 [19:21:54] DarTar: so how are those affecting enwiki #s? [19:21:57] ragesoss: TL;DR for F-Droid is that they've stupid tech policies that don't let us on them [19:22:07] Maryana: I need to dig into this, but it sounds like a much more likely culprit than changes unrelated to signups like the last modified [19:22:37] well, these banners are pretty unrelated to signups :) [19:22:40] the landing pages from these banners have prominent links to the account creation page on commons [19:22:49] on commons. but again, not enwiki [19:22:55] so why are they driving enwiki signups? [19:23:07] and enwiki edits? [19:23:55] DarTar: anyway, thanks for looking into this [19:24:12] again, I don’t know yet - but given the past impact of FR banners on registration numbers and the fact that these match the exact period during which we saw a spike I am convinced that this could be the source [19:24:59] it’s not a top priority anyway, target settings and impact of the switchover are way more urgent [19:26:48] bearND: Works! Just ping me when you are ready! [19:26:55] DarTar: yeah, i understand. at the same time, it's crazy that things like this happen and we don't even notice them or know how to explain them. [19:26:57] I so wish these campaigns used a proper campaign parameter when pointing to the signup page :( [19:27:13] yeahh [19:28:25] vbamba: should we wait for dbrant|lunch? [19:28:29] Maryana: once we have the data generated centrally via EEVS I’ll file a bug for anomaly detection and notifications ;) [19:40:51] bearND: ya lets wait for him! [19:40:51] I want to do a general catchup as well [19:46:03] vbamba: yup, he's working on the abusefilter stuff. what did you want to talk about re: saved pages? [19:54:50] (03PS2) 10BearND: Add deploy config to pom.xml [apps/android/java-mwapi] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141974 [19:55:07] bearND: dbrant|lunch 1:30 ok? [19:55:28] vbamba: works for me [19:55:49] 3MobileFrontend / 3General/Unknown: MobileFrontend: The "last edited" notice incorrectly shows up as "Just now" on pages that don't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67096 (10Krinkle) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None Created attachment 15745 --> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?... [19:57:00] bearND: dbrant|lunch a bunch of crash reports coming in, but for things I don't know how we can fix (Samsung phone issues with NoClassDef that we had earlier) [19:58:41] YuviPanda: yup, are those on https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mobile-app-otrs? [19:58:53] jgonera: you're still at home, right? [19:59:37] bearND: vbamba: sorry, was picking up my car from the shop. [19:59:42] vbamba: what did I miss? [20:00:02] Maryana, nope, almost in the office [20:00:09] bearND: no, those are manually added. there's a new queue called android crashes :) [20:00:32] 3MobileFrontend / 3General/Unknown: MobileFrontend: The "last edited" notice incorrectly shows up as "Just now" on pages that don't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67096#c1 (10Bingle) Prioritization and scheduling of this bug is tracked on Trello card https://trello.com/c/WOFnedF9 [20:00:33] "The new app... doesn't look like crap" [20:00:35] High praise [20:00:46] YuviPanda: but should the etherpad get updated? [20:00:47] Deskana: heh. [20:00:51] bearND: I'd think so, yeah [20:01:02] I'd say start a new one. [20:01:14] Otherwise we're comparing apples to oranges [20:01:21] Deskana: that's the etherpad Krenair is using (OTRS volunteer) [20:01:27] Deskana: bearND we can clear out the old errors [20:01:29] Well, that's okay [20:01:31] and have a new section [20:01:35] but whatever works for you guys :) [20:01:40] YuviPanda: or move them to the bottom [20:01:41] We already know tonnes of people like the dark mode from the beta [20:01:49] Now I'm curious to see how many people request it that had never had it before [20:01:52] So far the answer is... a few! [20:02:06] Deskana: also fewer emails to OTRS so far, vs beta. [20:02:28] Deskana: how are we looking post blog posting ? [20:02:38] YuviPanda: i think everyone is busy with IO [20:02:47] tfinc: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/25/revamped-wikipedia-app-now-available-on-android/ [20:02:49] bearND: yeah, that is my thinking too [20:03:22] vbamba: around? [20:03:51] YuviPanda: Yeah. I keep checking it expecting to see a flood. [20:04:24] vbamba: ping [20:04:26] Deskana: :) maybe they're all busy watching I/O. [20:05:14] Deskana: i know about the blog post. i'm asking how were looking post it [20:05:36] Deskana: it works! [20:06:14] tfinc: Oh, sorry. Things are great! Lots of good feedback on the Play store. A number of requests for night mode, which considering it was never in the app before says we're along the right lines by adding it. [20:06:34] dbrant: :D [20:07:09] Deskaba is the night mode story fully unblocked? [20:07:18] im just grabbing lunch, be back in 10 [20:08:14] Deskana: ^ (correcting tfinc't typo) [20:09:00] flyingclimber: It is for now. We've had a basic spec from May. Yuvi said in the standup that he's going to start splitting into into sub-cards as it's quite large as-is. [20:09:16] flyingclimber: Nobody is blocked at present. [20:09:18] 3MobileFrontend / 3General/Unknown: MobileFrontend: The "last edited" notice incorrectly shows up as "Just now" on pages that don't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67096#c2 (10Ryan Kaldari) Hmm, on master I'm seeing: "Last edited just now by Kaldari". Is this reproducible on beta labs? [20:09:52] Deskana: i know about the blog post. i'm asking how were looking post it [20:10:01] Great. Eager to see that land in the next build [20:10:19] Conference WiFi blows [20:10:32] Does anyone in the office have a 10 inch tablet? [20:10:44] We can get the app saying it's "Designed for tablets" if we just upload some screenshots [20:10:55] Deskana: dbrant has one I believe [20:11:12] Deskana: yep, I'm working on 10" screenshots [20:11:21] Deskana we should have a galaxy 10 [20:11:30] dbrant: Great! For the 7" ones I practically copied the phone ones, you'll probably want to do the same. [20:11:44] Deskana: will do [20:12:19] YuviPanda: stupid v7 PopupMenu... [20:12:34] dbrant: yeah, unsure why that's the case. Wondering if we should just bundle it in... [20:12:39] dbrant: need to find a similar phone to repro tho [20:13:11] YuviPanda: right; we know that it only happens on 4.2.2, and with Samsung devices... [20:14:01] Oh Google. [20:14:03] "Add localized graphics for English (United Kingdom)" [20:14:09] localized [20:14:11] United Kingdom [20:14:14] ize [20:14:14] ha! [20:14:14] UK [20:14:15] Deskana: haha [20:14:26] Deskana: have a deep fried wiki globe there, aye? :) [20:14:39] * Deskana channels his inner Scotsman. [20:14:43] "That's me!" [20:15:21] Deskana: your check came through :) [20:15:27] from 10m ago, I just saw it [20:15:50] Deskana: we should figure out our dashboard needs at some point. Tomorrow's analytics meeting I'm going to is more about the tech foundations [20:17:52] (03PS1) 10BearND: next dev version 1.1-SNAPSHOT [apps/android/java-mwapi] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142062 [20:20:43] YuviPanda: I've got three patches in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:apps/android/java-mwapi,n,z ready for CR [20:20:58] bearND: woot! :D Can I do them tomorrow? fairly sleepy now [20:21:11] Deskana: bearND dbrant am heading to sleep now, need anything before I go? [20:21:19] YuviPanda: sure, no problem. will add the one in the app as well [20:21:25] YuviPanda: all good [20:21:29] bearND: sweet :) [20:21:37] YuviPanda: You can sleep well tonight! [20:21:41] YuviPanda: 1.0 java api is already deplyed to the server [20:21:55] Deskana: indeed! Need to write a blog post at some point about closure over the old app being dead :) [20:22:42] THE KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE KING [20:23:26] :D [20:23:37] * YuviPanda feeds Deskana a fried wiki globe [20:23:52] s/KING/APP [20:24:43] heh :) [20:25:10] alright, am off! [20:25:25] good night, YuviPanda|zzz [20:26:46] Deskana: 10" screenshots published. [20:27:09] (03PS1) 10BearND: Use release version for MW api: 1.0 [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142065 [20:28:02] dbrant: Looks good! [20:29:26] I guess we're officially designed for tablets now! [20:29:49] Oh, or not. [20:29:55] "Your layout should make use of the available space on 10-inch tablets." [20:30:26] doesn't it? [20:31:40] https://trello.com/b/TInnSh9E/mobile-web-q1-backlog-2014-2015 [20:33:24] Deskana: I've added a card for https://trello.com/c/HQ4UjOaH/74-use-release-version-for-mw-api. I hope you don't mind. [20:35:12] bearND: Not at all. :) [20:35:25] bearND: Maybe do a gut check estimate of the number of points? Since it's not a bug? [20:35:54] I'd like to see it accurately represented in the team's velocity. [20:36:34] Deskana: I'd say 1 point for figuring out how to get this to the server. That part was a bit tricky. [20:37:56] (03Abandoned) 10BearND: Update version scheme of releases [apps/android/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141889 (owner: 10BearND) [20:38:49] bearND: Card updated. [20:39:49] Deskana: thanks. My gut says we should check with YuviPanda|zzz and dbrant, but I guess can't get much lower than 1. [20:40:24] dr0ptp4kt: Back now, Did you have a question? [20:40:39] bearND: Sure, they can take a look. We'll leave it at 1 for now. [20:40:42] Deskana: bearND: sure, 1 [20:42:28] Deskana: bearND: YuviPanda|zzz: Alright, we're being inundated with crash reports relating to v7 PopupMenu, which seems to be broken on certain Samsung devices. I think the solution should be to just package the v7 library into the app (it's about ~100KB increase in size). [20:44:41] vbamba: nope, that was me summoning ux genius [20:44:53] dbrant: sounds like a good plan. I could look into deploying it to the maven repo, unless you want to [20:44:56] i had not idea dropkitkat was you [20:45:02] bearND: dbrant are you guys ready? [20:45:20] can we do a 10 minute design powwow [20:45:27] bearND: if you could do that, it would be good. I have less experience with it. [20:45:41] dbrant: ok [20:46:26] YuviPanda|zzz: hey you around? [20:46:27] vbamba: yep, i'm ready [20:46:42] dbrant: let's do the vbamba meeting if it can be short. vbamba, is there en email with the hangout link? [20:47:04] whipper snapper meeting [20:47:13] whenever you're ready [20:47:52] dbrant: So how does a user trigger that problem on that device? [20:48:06] Deskana: just by launching. [20:48:08] Well fuck. [20:48:21] vbamba: i'm in [20:48:36] Deskana: it only happens on a very specific version of the OS (4.2.2), and very specific device subset... but there are a lot of them! [20:49:14] Well, I want the crash fixed. So the best way to implement that solution is up to you guys! [20:49:20] But what you have sounds reasonable. [20:51:57] Deskana early reviews look positive [20:53:25] http://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/293apj/revamped_wikipedia_app_now_available_for_android/ [20:59:48] Downvoted already! I knew this would happen. :P [21:07:58] dbrant: did you want to add appcompat-v7? [21:08:18] bearND: yes! [21:08:43] dbrant: good. that should be easy to push to our server [21:09:17] bearND: will that ensure that it gets packaged into the app? [21:09:39] dbrant: no, you need to also add it to the pom.xml file [21:10:24] bearND: ah, I know even less about that :( [21:11:37] dbrant: hmm, I already see compatibility-v7-appcompat in the app pom file [21:12:21] bearND: indeed. And from IntelliJ, I can select it to be "exported" with the app. But how to do it automatically? [21:15:42] bearND: hold on a second... lol the previous versions of the APK look like they have it exported, as well. [21:15:54] bearND: so, I don't know! [21:24:10] bearND: there's one every 10 minutes!! [21:24:50] dbrant: yes [21:36:16] dbrant: weird, when I undex the classes.dex file I see ./android/support/v7/internal/view/menu/MenuBuilder.class included [21:36:30] bearND: yes!! [21:37:05] dbrant: but why doesn't it find it? [21:37:59] bearND: and what's even weirder, the second-to-last thing in the stack trace is "android.support.v7.widget.PopupMenu.java:66", so it knows about the existence of that class, but not MenuBuilder?! [21:46:44] chrismcmahon: i see that the mobile browser tests are still yet to pass since moving to integration.wikimedia.org :( [21:47:15] jdlrobson: yep. they had bugs until just today [21:47:28] chrismcmahon: so will the next build pass? [21:49:05] jdlrobson: they should. I fixed the wikitext editor tests this morning and the 4 failures from the last build were all noise. I'm running again now to see what it does. [21:49:49] hope so!!! i worry people get trained to ignore them if they are so used to them passing. I dream of a day when a browser test failure means our features broke :) [21:53:05] Font size changing appears to be a really common request. Is there a bug for that? I didn't notice one on the list. [21:56:28] bearND: dbrant Assets for abuse filter are provided here - https://trello.com/c/NVw38u0P/8-design [21:56:51] http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/292k24/i_much_prefer_using_the_new_mobile_version_of/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed < Maryana :) [21:56:54] SVG's with 48 dp focus area, when you have a chance can you try them and let mw know if it works? [21:57:07] Krenair: not that i know of. I did try a patch a couple of weeks ago but it had issues so we had to revert that. But we can certainly look at this again. [21:57:07] jdlrobson: yeah, there's always going to be a certain amount of noise given the number of moving parts, but minimizing that is important [21:57:10] jdlrobson: :D [21:57:26] vbamba: thanks!! [21:58:09] Krenair: feel free to submit a bug. [21:58:50] 3MobileFrontend / 3stable: In desktop mode, Minerva appends the table of contents to the end of the article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67101 (10Ryan Kaldari) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textile_manufacturing?useskin=minerva Instead of replacing the exi... [22:00:33] 3MobileFrontend / 3stable: In desktop mode, Minerva appends the table of contents to the end of the article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67101#c1 (10Bingle) Prioritization and scheduling of this bug is tracked on Trello card https://trello.com/c/tofvLiMs [22:01:00] Maryana: "E2 list run by mpinchuk at wikimedia.org, dhorn at wikimedia.org, nwilson at wikimedia.org" , can you whisper List Administrator Password for https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/admin/e2 to dannyh ? [22:01:18] 3MobileFrontend / 3stable: In desktop mode, Minerva appends the table of contents to the end of the article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67101#c2 (10Jon) Minerva desktop has no understanding of sections, so the article is one big lead section so this is unfortunate but expected. This is the one major... [22:01:18] spagewmf: oh, i thought i sent him the info already [22:01:57] Maryana: (hi there!) he thought he had it [22:09:06] 3Wikipedia App / 3Android App: Font size changer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67102 (10Alex Monk) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3enhanc a:3None This is a popular request - apparently the old version had this. https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=7628966 https://ticket.... [22:09:13] bearND, ^ [22:10:03] (links are mostly the result a simple search, except for the german one with lots of caps-lock words) [22:11:32] 3Wikipedia App / 3Android App: Font size changer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67102#c1 (10Alex Monk) https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=7629018 appeared as I was making this bug [22:12:07] Krenair: ok, the user says he's visually impaired and needs to have the font size increased [22:14:07] Krenair: Deskana ^: should I point the user to the old apk for now until we fix this? [22:16:39] Deskana: IMO the PopupMenu crash is still prio #1, then dark theme, and then font sizing [22:18:34] 3MobileFrontend / 3stable: In desktop mode of Minerva, section toggling is broken. It should probably be removed. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67105 (10Ryan Kaldari) 3NEW p:3Unprio s:3normal a:3None See: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Textile_manufacturing&useskin=minerva Since all... [22:20:32] 3MobileFrontend / 3stable: In desktop mode of Minerva, section toggling is broken. It should probably be removed. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67105#c1 (10Bingle) Prioritization and scheduling of this bug is tracked on Trello card https://trello.com/c/Kg8RdCmT [22:21:48] bearND: dbrant Just read this thread - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11982826/how-to-show-icons-in-actionbar-overflow-menu [22:21:59] Icons in the overflow menu are a bit of a pain. [22:23:06] its really poor UX though, google is so grumpy about in consistencies [22:25:17] 3MobileFrontend / 3stable: In desktop mode of Minerva, section toggling is broken. It should probably be removed. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67105#c2 (10Ryan Kaldari) This is actually due to the fact that we don't have sections in the desktop DOM (since we don't apply MobileFormatter). Since we don't... [22:29:32] (03CR) 10JGonera: [C: 04-1] "Moiz says that we weren't supposed to add the vertical line. Also, does it have to depend on another patch?" [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 (owner: 10Kaldari) [22:29:38] kaldari, ^ [22:29:50] (03PS1) 10Mhurd: Fixes for onboarding view presentation. [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142145 [22:30:02] 3MobileFrontend / 3stable: In desktop mode, Minerva appends the table of contents to the end of the article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/67101#c3 (10Ryan Kaldari) Seems like it should be able to find the existing TOC and replace it on desktop (rather than finding the end of the first section and append... [22:32:38] (03PS4) 10Kaldari: Change the X to a back icon in editing workflow [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 [22:32:57] jgonera: fixed [22:34:01] (03CR) 10JGonera: [C: 032] Change the X to a back icon in editing workflow [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 (owner: 10Kaldari) [22:34:35] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Change the X to a back icon in editing workflow [extensions/MobileFrontend] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/141857 (owner: 10Kaldari) [22:36:05] moizsyed: hey i fixed some of the issues with onboarding, but the transitions are a bit different. when you have a second i can show you [22:36:19] bearND: Sure, pointing to old APK is fine. [22:36:40] Deskana: will do [22:36:44] Deskana: just dropped by to congratz the team, and high five the great work [22:37:13] YuviPanda|zzz and bearND among others [22:37:14] * Deskana high-fives matanya. [22:37:55] matanya: :) and dbrant [22:38:22] One piece of feedback was from a user that said he is afraid of the privacy implications of the feature we included to find nearby users using GPS. [22:38:22] bearND != dbrant :) [22:38:39] I'm not sure he downloaded the right app. [22:38:49] Because we don't have that. :P [22:39:22] releases.wm.o is a bit clattered, might be a good idea to clean there a bit [22:39:25] Deskana, comment for older version? [22:39:45] or we simply forgot to remove that perm from the manifest? [22:39:47] MaxSem: He's using 2.0. [22:39:51] dbrant: thank you too. [22:39:56] MaxSem: And we did remove that. :) [22:40:07] duh [22:41:08] mhurd: oh ok [22:41:14] mhurd: will come by soon [22:50:39] (03PS1) 10Dr0ptp4kt: Carry ZRMA CasperJS code to here, also point at zeroportal endpoint. [extensions/ZeroPortal] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142147 [22:51:52] (03CR) 10Dr0ptp4kt: [C: 032] Carry ZRMA CasperJS code to here, also point at zeroportal endpoint. [extensions/ZeroPortal] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142147 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [22:52:04] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Carry ZRMA CasperJS code to here, also point at zeroportal endpoint. [extensions/ZeroPortal] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142147 (owner: 10Dr0ptp4kt) [22:55:02] How is the day wrapping up? Need anything ? Deskana dbrant bearnd [22:55:24] flyingclimber: Not for my apps work, no. I've been very distracted today. [22:55:50] Distracted with SUL? [22:56:04] flyingclimber: as good as can be expected! Just one stubborn issue on a specific subset of devices that we're tracking down. [22:56:14] (03Abandoned) 10Mhurd: Fixes for onboarding view presentation. [apps/ios/wikipedia] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142145 (owner: 10Mhurd) [22:57:00] bearND: I'm going to try loading 4.2.2 onto my Samsung Galaxy S3... [22:58:15] dbrant: what do you have currently on it? [22:58:29] bearND: 4.3 [22:59:13] dbrant: yeah, i see a lot of S3's having issues but only with 4.2.2 [22:59:26] Dbrant do we need to get one of those devices asap? [22:59:48] flyingclimber: well... it's the device plus a very specific version of the OS, too... [22:59:53] dbrant: adding some devices to the bug list on etherpad [23:03:12] Dbrant k. Let me know if you need any more support on it [23:03:24] flyingclimber: yep, will do [23:03:47] flyingclimber: Amongst other things, yeah. [23:29:22] jgonera: you'll probably want to come into #wikimedia-operations Roan and James_F have finally noticed that we also have an EventEmitter [23:29:29] and since you wrote it.. :) [23:32:51] bearND: can't reproduce with CyanogenMod 4.2.2... will try a couple others. (not sure where to find stock Samsung rom) [23:33:51] dbrant: bummer [23:55:58] dbrant: hello! [23:56:07] vbamba: hello! [23:56:37] bearND and dbrant, good work today and since you've joined. i'm heading out for the evening. ttyl [23:56:50] dr0ptp4kt: thanks! [23:57:07] dr0ptp4kt: thanks [23:57:33] * Deskana joins in. [23:57:34] Thanks! [23:58:03] :) [23:59:36] bearND: can't reproduce with any other custom 4.2.2 rom (probably because they're all based on CM). We may just need to obtain one of the offending devices...