[01:23:47] <jya>	 hi there.
[01:24:42] <jya>	 I'm trying to get in touch with Brion V... what  is his nick here?
[03:35:48] <GEOFBOT>	 jya, I think it's brion but he isn't on? not sure
[07:44:31] <codezee>	 jdlrobson2: was the meeting shifted a little early?
[07:44:39] <jdlrobson2>	 nope
[07:44:40] <jdlrobson2>	 i was there
[07:44:47] <jdlrobson2>	 same as nicolas
[07:45:14] <codezee>	 because the scheduled time is 15 min from now
[07:46:38] <jdlrobson2>	 Ahh i guess we had some time zone calculation problems :)
[07:47:01] <jdlrobson2>	 of course.. i'm not on UK time but my calendar is :-)
[07:47:22] <codezee>	 jdlrobson2: I guess so because the regular time is UTC 8:00AM and I'm here right now
[07:47:51] <jdlrobson2>	 UTC 9am ?
[07:48:04] <jdlrobson2>	 anyway we'll meet in 15 minutes yes? :)
[07:48:42] <codezee>	 jdlrobson2: ok, :)
[07:48:46] <jdlrobson2>	 perfect
[13:13:03] <joakino>	 hi!
[13:36:06] <GEOFBOT>	 joakino, hi?
[13:36:27] <joakino>	 hi
[13:36:37] <GEOFBOT>	 what's up?
[13:47:42] <joakino>	 do i know you GEOFBOT ?
[13:48:17] <GEOFBOT>	 joakino, no, i'm just a lowly student who likes to say hi to people
[13:48:47] <joakino>	 GEOFBOT: great :), no worries. where are you from?
[13:50:27] <GEOFBOT>	 Georgia, US
[13:52:46] <GEOFBOT>	 joakino, you?
[13:53:49] <joakino>	 GEOFBOT: i'm from Spain, east coast
[13:54:07] <joakino>	 nice to meet you :D
[13:56:50] <GEOFBOT>	 cool, nice to meet you to :)
[14:30:20] <dr0ptp4kt_i>	 yo mhurd got a minute?
[14:35:33] <bgerstle>	 GEOFBOT: east-coast US ftw! i'm from FL
[14:35:56] <GEOFBOT>	 bgerstle, ayyyyy
[14:35:59] * GEOFBOT high fives
[15:12:27] * bgerstle o/
[15:12:32] <bgerstle>	 GEOFBOT: sorry to leave you hanging GEOFBOT
[15:14:19] <GEOFBOT>	 bgerstle, no biggie :P
[15:14:36] * GEOFBOT quietly sulks in corner
[15:39:54] <dr0ptp4kt_i>	 dbrant: hey, do you have a sample url for the content service?
[15:44:02] <dbrant>	 dr0ptp4kt_i: https://appservice.wmflabs.org/en.m.wikipedia.org/v1/mobile/app/page/html/Cat
[15:45:56] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: sorry, connection dropped. sorry to bug again, but do you happen to have a url for the mobile content service?
[15:46:19] <dbrant>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: https://appservice.wmflabs.org/en.m.wikipedia.org/v1/mobile/app/page/html/Cat
[15:46:28] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: thx
[15:46:39] <dbrant>	 np
[15:47:25] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: am i correct to understand it will be hosted on rest.wikimedia.org later on?
[15:48:34] <dbrant>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: i'm not sure what the final url will be, but probably that.
[15:48:41] <bgerstle>	 hm, some weird stuff happens when i click that in a browser
[15:48:53] <bgerstle>	 but, it's not designed for that, i suppose
[15:49:40] <dbrant>	 bgerstle: yeah, in addition to the html, the service spits out some additional json, which our WebView catches and passes to the app.
[15:49:47] <bgerstle>	 yeah
[15:51:03] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: cool cool, wanted to make sure i was right to go ahead in fact on asking the w0 team to update domain names (edge case-y)
[15:51:46] <bgerstle>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: is that necessary if it's only being deployed to alpha?
[15:52:22] <kristenlans>	 Morning y'all! Hope everyone's not too lagged.
[15:52:38] <kristenlans>	 phuedx are you working today?
[15:53:38] <kristenlans>	 phuedx or are you taking the day off to recover from the shame of not winning the coffee competition?
[15:54:04] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 bgerstle: for the alpha case i'm not so worried. i believe rest.wikimedia.org would be in beta and stable and that's the case where an early heads up is needed
[15:54:16] <bgerstle>	 ah right
[15:54:43] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 heya kristenlans. do we need that ReadershipLeadership meeting? it would be a bit late for me, and i think it would just be you, me, and toby and not the others
[15:56:02] <kristenlans>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: oh rats are bryan and vibha and jk out today? I have some questions I need answered about quarterly planning. Maybe I coudl try to make do over email.
[15:56:33] <kristenlans>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: are you still in europe?
[15:58:08] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 kristenlans: yeah, today and tomorrow, then using the personal day to take friday off
[15:59:04] <kristenlans>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: nice! I'm fine w/cancelling mgmt meeting and probably  PM + Scrummaster check-in too since JK is out.
[15:59:12] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 kristenlans: yeah, those three are out and declined
[15:59:53] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 kristenlans: use this as an opportunity to pump some bassnectar on your headphones this morning and afternoon. that's what i'm doing this evening.
[16:00:56] <kristenlans>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_:  that's a solid suggestion
[16:01:39] <kristenlans>	 Jonkatz's calendar indicates that he is "back to crushing it" tomorrow LOLOLOL
[16:01:48] <jdlrobson>	 hah
[16:01:55] <kristenlans>	 ohai jdlrobson!
[16:01:59] <jdlrobson>	 \o
[16:02:42] <jdlrobson>	 i've got cheese!!
[16:03:05] * kristenlans already misses wine and cheese
[16:04:00] <jdlrobson>	 i have wine, cheese and strawberries and some of these bad boys: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canel%C3%A9
[16:04:13] <jdlrobson>	 life is good
[16:04:38] <jdlrobson>	 so kristenlans is the band back together? i'm still confused about state of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mobile-web-sprint-48-voyage-of-the-damned/
[16:04:44] <jdlrobson>	 should i be pulling stuff over from Gather there?
[16:04:51] * jdlrobson looks for phuedx
[16:10:50] <kristenlans>	 jdlrobson: last I heard from jkatz he was hoping for one more sprint with an explicit focus on gather to wrap some stuff up...:-/
[16:11:01] <kristenlans>	 jdlrobson: so I'm not exactly sure
[16:12:21] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 kristenlans: yeah, i saw jon katz's calendar on that. funny dude
[16:12:33] <kristenlans>	 jdlrobson: I do also want to make sure we get baha in the loop with various discussions so he doesn't show u and his whole world has changed ;-)
[16:12:55] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 phuedx: in case i can't get hangouts to work, may i call you on your cell as listed on the contacts page?
[16:16:16] <jdlrobson>	 yeh i'm totally confused right now so just winging it
[16:16:25] <jdlrobson>	 i was told it was an unstructured sprint :)
[16:16:30] <jdlrobson>	 so i guess that's fine
[16:18:40] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 phuedx: around?
[16:19:53] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 phuedx: oh, sorry to bother you - i see you're taking that personal day today. cc jdlrobson 
[16:20:12] <jdlrobson>	 ohhhh
[16:20:25] <kristenlans>	 ahhhhhh
[16:21:04] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 jdlrobson: kristenlans i'm gonna send the link to the spreadsheet out just to make sure people have it handy
[16:21:26] <kristenlans>	 thanks dr0ptp4kt_i_ that will be helpful
[16:21:30] <jdlrobson>	 ok thanks dr0ptp4kt_i_ yeh
[16:46:16] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 jdlrobson: who on web engineering would be able to provide feedback on the logging mechanism for mobile web for http://searchdata.wmflabs.org ? i know baha is the guy for desktop, but wasn't sure about mobile web
[16:46:41] <jdlrobson>	 what kind of feedback?
[16:49:46] <tgr>	 jdlrobson: standup: I am working on adding the tests to the WIP patches
[16:50:12] <jdlrobson>	 tgr: sweet. I'm investigating the failing browser tests right now and still playing catch up from the weekends activities :)
[16:50:14] <tgr>	 (unless there are other priorities - is there a workboard for this sprint?)
[16:50:19] <jdlrobson>	 anything blocking you you tgr ?
[16:50:38] <jdlrobson>	 the api stuff is still the most important and there is not currently a workboard due to some confusion - so feel free to continue using last one
[16:50:47] <jdlrobson>	 hopefully i can work that out tomorrow
[16:50:54] <tgr>	 no blockers
[16:51:09] <jdlrobson>	 tgr: no blockers here either - just lots of confusing bugs that make no sense :)
[16:58:31] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 jdlrobson: sorry, didn't see your message (changed windows and no hotword detection activated). by feedback, i meant people who could help describe how the logging works for the data analyst in search (oliver)
[16:58:47] <jdlrobson>	 i think bmansurov wrote that.. but maybe sam
[16:58:49] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 bmansurov: ^ fyi, checking on the mobile web search event logging. i know you're the guy on desktop
[16:59:17] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: bearND - which of you was it that did the event logging on android?
[16:59:36] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: bearND for search, that is
[17:00:17] <dbrant>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: don't recall exactly; but I can answer questions.
[17:00:46] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: so you implemented it? ;)
[17:01:20] <dbrant>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: it's a bit fuzzy, but probably.
[17:01:33] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 dbrant: lol
[17:01:44] <bmansurov>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: meeting ;)
[17:03:28] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 bmansurov: thx, ok, when you're done...lemme know if it was you who did the search event logging on mobile web
[17:03:53] <bmansurov>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: no, it was sam, but there is a follow up patch by me https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/213961/
[17:04:41] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 bmansurov: nice!
[17:05:22] <bgerstle>	 mhurd: coreyfloyd should we bother w/ standup?
[17:05:26] <bgerstle>	 are you guys around?
[17:07:55] <dbrant>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: is there an email thread pertaining to the search event logging?
[17:17:09] <kristenlans>	 bgerstle: we in
[17:20:19] <kristenlans>	 bgerstle: wanted to sync up w/ou to see if you knwo what's going on w/Sprint 58 for iOS ;-)
[17:20:30] <bgerstle>	 kristenlans: sure, i'll jump back in then
[17:28:56] <bgerstle>	 kristenlans: one thing that you guys reminded me of is how much sediment i get w/ my metal filter
[17:29:34] <bgerstle>	 not like french-press levels of sediment, but still
[17:31:37] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 jdlrobson, anything you need me to parlay in scrum of scrums?
[17:32:14] <jdlrobson>	 dr0ptp4kt_i_: we've been working with Gilles to make some performance improvements
[17:32:25] <jdlrobson>	 apart from that not really much activity (Gather has been minor bug fixes)
[17:34:41] <kristenlans>	 bgerstle: interesting. I've been thinking of moving to the metal aeropress filter....
[17:36:31] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 jdlrobson: thx
[17:36:48] <bgerstle>	 i'm curious if marco arment has anything to say about that
[17:37:02] <bgerstle>	 well known iOS blogger & podcaster who's obsessed w/ coffee
[17:47:54] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: ok isee
[17:47:59] <jdlrobson>	 bmansurov: so if you take my gist
[17:48:03] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: yep
[17:48:07] <jdlrobson>	 (i assume you understand how i made that right?)
[17:48:18] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: kind of but that's not important
[17:48:19] <jdlrobson>	 but if you don't please say - it's fine not to :-)
[17:48:31] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: i want to get to the issue for now
[17:48:36] <jdlrobson>	 it is important to understand this bmansurov
[17:48:44] <jdlrobson>	 as we have to think about it whenever we build anything that touches HTML
[17:48:55] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: yes I agree, but i want to solve the issue at hand first
[17:49:03] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: let's continue with the gist
[17:49:04] <jdlrobson>	 bmansurov: no that's firefighting
[17:49:09] <jdlrobson>	 trust me it's better to understand it fully
[17:49:28] <jdlrobson>	 So imagine we render the page 'Hello world' on Tuesday
[17:50:21] <jdlrobson>	 so once generated we cache it
[17:50:34] <jdlrobson>	 and we continue to serve that to users for 30 days or when the page is edited
[17:50:37] <jdlrobson>	 whichever happens first
[17:50:49] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: yeah i got that, I just can't reproduce the issue
[17:51:09] <jdlrobson>	 bmansurov: i've told you how to reproduce the issue
[17:51:16] <jdlrobson>	 you generate HTML from before the commit
[17:51:30] <jdlrobson>	 if you are looking for a page on labs or locally you'll doing it wrong you will not succeed :)
[17:51:49] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: ok, can you please make a screencast and share it with me
[17:51:51] <jdlrobson>	 so the gist is the page generated on the Tuesday. Now Wednesday you make a change to the skin e.g. last modified bar which results in different HTML
[17:51:57] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: i followed your instructions, but still no luck
[17:52:13] <jdlrobson>	 bmansurov: i'm effectively walking you through this now.. is now not a good time
[17:53:02] <jdlrobson>	 bmansurov: do you understand all the above so far?
[17:53:07] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: yep
[17:53:27] <jdlrobson>	 okay so the change happens on Wednesday, but the page "Hello World" from Tuesday doesn't get updated
[17:53:39] <jdlrobson>	 but if you look at the gist i sent you there are links to stylesheets in there
[17:53:49] <jdlrobson>	 the crucial problem is the stylesheets are not subject to cache
[17:53:58] <jdlrobson>	 so basically you have the old HTML and an up to date stylesheet
[17:54:05] <jdlrobson>	 so if you have a localhost
[17:54:11] <jdlrobson>	 with mediawiki installed
[17:54:14] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: yep
[17:54:23] <jdlrobson>	 e.g localhost:8888/w/index.php/Hello world is the page
[17:54:32] <jdlrobson>	 if you load localhost:8888/cached.html
[17:55:10] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: 1 sec, so localhost:8888/cached.html is the url for the cached page?
[17:55:17] <jdlrobson>	 it depends where you put it
[17:55:24] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: how do I put it?
[17:55:26] <jdlrobson>	 but put the gist on the same server as your mediawiki instance
[17:55:43] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: oh ok
[17:56:01] <jdlrobson>	 the stylesheet links and js links should work fine
[17:56:14] <jdlrobson>	 so as a result you'll have cached html running new styles and js
[17:56:29] <jdlrobson>	 and you'll be able to replicate the issue
[17:56:46] <jdlrobson>	 so to fix it, you basically need to add css rules to work around it with FIXMEs: remove when cache cleared
[17:56:51] <jdlrobson>	 does that all make sense?
[17:56:55] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: thanks that's what I did, but the modified bar looked fine
[17:57:34] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: i'll give it another try, but i want to see if anyone else can reproduce it
[17:58:32] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: also notice that the GIST you gave has client-nojs class, which means it looks fine
[17:59:09] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: as you stated in the bug too
[17:59:24] <jdlrobson>	 bmansurov: no but if you load in your localhost it will run js
[17:59:27] <jdlrobson>	 and it will have client-js
[17:59:47] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: ok thanks
[17:59:56] <jdlrobson>	 i suspect your javascript/css isn't loading for some reason
[18:00:01] <jdlrobson>	 obviously make sure you are on master
[18:00:07] <jdlrobson>	 and running latest core etc
[18:00:31] <coreyfloyd>	 bgerstle: yeah, obviously I'm not very present. Sent an email. Let me know if you need something.
[18:01:47] <bgerstle>	 np
[18:01:58] <bgerstle>	 setting up TSG stuff now, just uploaded the build
[18:16:04] <jdlrobson>	 bmansurov: you manage to replicate?
[18:20:01] <bmansurov>	 jdlrobson: in a meeting, i'll let you know 
[18:20:25] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: i have a code review strategy to propose. 
[18:20:47] <dbrant>	 mdholloway: go for it
[18:21:54] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: given our code review backlog, it seems like it would be most efficient if i focused on reviewing stephen's and dan's patches, +2ing or -1ing unless i'm specifically looking for feedback from you or bearND|away, and you focused on mine.
[18:23:09] <dbrant>	 mdholloway: sounds fine to me!
[18:23:30] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: cool. 
[18:24:40] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: there's one of stephen's that i wish i would have bugged him about before he went on vacation, but i guess that's how it goes. 
[18:30:11] <jdlrobson>	 erg in browser tests and resource loader agony
[19:17:53] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: For this: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97958, Deskana|Away's word order/alignment patch for mixed RTL/LTR titles, should we merge it or wait for further comment from bearND|away?
[19:18:41] <dbrant>	 mdholloway: merge it.
[19:23:01] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: excellent.
[19:25:14] <greg-g>	 19:23 < twentyaft> ok we removed mantle but apparently it's still configured?
[19:25:23] <greg-g>	 ^^ help with that, apparently broke scap
[19:27:58] <greg-g>	 issue was https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/210816/, merging and fixing
[19:55:22] <dr0ptp4kt_i_>	 heading out. ttyl
[19:59:15] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: as for https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99965, on Chinese improperly displaying as 'English', do you say get a fix in now, or wait for stephen to come back and handle it?
[20:25:41] <dbrant|brb>	 mdholloway: wait for Stephen on that one...
[22:38:51] <Josve05a>	 Any IOS-devs awake?
[22:39:34] <Josve05a>	 It feels the ToC-menu is much slower to open in Beta 130 than in 123, but might just be me...