[09:24:53] <phuedx>	 o/
[09:25:28] * phuedx had to get new tyres for his car
[09:42:26] <joakino>	 morning
[09:52:04] <phuedx>	 hey joakino 
[09:52:40] <joakino>	 sup phuedx 
[09:53:58] <phuedx>	 nothing much
[09:54:01] <phuedx>	 eating some eggs
[09:54:02] <phuedx>	 you?
[09:56:24] <joakino>	 eating some turkey w toast
[09:56:35] <joakino>	 & coffee obvs
[09:59:13] <joakino>	 have you seen now phuedx ?
[09:59:28] <joakino>	 never seen so painless deployments https://zeit.co/now
[09:59:44] <joakino>	 it is insane(ly cool)
[10:01:27] <phuedx>	 i'll take a look
[10:10:42] <phuedx>	 joakino: i'm listening to the jeff atwood talk atm
[10:11:03] * joakino approves
[10:11:54] <joakino>	 i one thing that got me thinking is how he advocates being able to iterate as the most valuable quality and putting things in front of users quickly, related to the work we do at wikimedia
[10:13:07] <phuedx>	 joakino: i would also recommend reading peopleware once every few years
[10:13:18] <phuedx>	 i have a dog eared copy that was given to me by a mentor of mine
[10:14:03] <joakino>	 oh that also was a key insight, we focus on software because it is easy, the hard part is people which  don't usually change
[10:14:25] <joakino>	 this phuedx ? http://www.amazon.com/Peopleware-Productive-Projects-Second-Edition/dp/0932633439
[10:14:39] <phuedx>	 yup
[10:14:53] <phuedx>	 buy yourself a copy or i'll buy one for you
[10:14:58] <phuedx>	 ;)
[10:24:46] <joakino>	 will do, added to the list
[10:35:15] <phuedx>	 joakino: i think a good introduction to the whole integration/acceptance test, unit tests, design, and feedback is that it currently takes 10 or so minutes for a build to complete against a patch
[10:40:14] <phuedx>	 the majority of that time is spent running the browser tests
[10:45:22] <joakino>	 phuedx: what do you mean
[10:47:00] <phuedx>	 joakino: i mean i'd like to talk more about the cycle of establishing behaviour with acceptance tests, making changes and adding unit tests to test the design of those changes, and then eventually dropping most of the acceptance tests
[10:47:25] <phuedx>	 the length of the feedback cycle for our unit tests should be trivially small
[10:48:27] <phuedx>	 and while we're adding more acceptance tests, we're not changing the design of the systems under test
[10:48:42] <phuedx>	 so our build time is increasing but without an end in sight
[10:51:24] <phuedx>	 brb
[11:00:10] <joakino>	 phuedx: yep, really true
[11:01:59] <joakino>	 phuedx: that's why I've also suggested a few times to set up a real unit testing setup that runs purely in node without needing mediawiki running, so that unit tests run so fast that we use them more, and keep mw+qunit and mw+selenium&cucumber for integration/acceptance
[11:15:13] <phuedx>	 joakino: project for offsite? 10% time pairing session?
[11:15:25] <joakino>	 totally
[11:26:26] <phuedx>	 bbiab -- taking the kids out for lunch
[13:34:08] <jhobs>	 reading-web: I couldn't sleep last night so I'm gonna get a bit of a late start today. I'll still be at standup and don't expect the hours shift to affect anything.
[14:46:08] <maxbinder>	 phuedx: threw something on the calendar. You around in 15?
[14:54:56] <phuedx>	 maxbinder: am joining the meeting now
[16:44:49] <joakino>	 phabricator has blogs
[16:45:21] <bmansurov>	 phlogs?
[16:45:35] <joakino>	 http://media0.giphy.com/media/21TDqDLxfIKU8/giphy.gif
[16:46:27] <joakino>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/phame/
[16:46:45] <joakino>	 i'm really curious about phabricator's wiki, I wish they would enable it
[16:53:46] <bmansurov>	 phabricator is like emacs for the web
[16:58:18] <phuedx>	 ^ that's facebook
[16:59:56] <joakino>	 standerp?
[17:01:32] <bmansurov>	 is facebook good at social networking?
[18:16:02] <phuedx>	 bmansurov: there's mention of the mobile.loggingSchemas module in a few docblocks in the codebase
[18:16:08] <phuedx>	 could you update 'em as part of 274126
[18:16:09] <phuedx>	 ?
[18:16:30] <phuedx>	 sec, finding method names
[18:17:01] <phuedx>	 Hooks::onResourceLoaderRegisterModules
[18:17:20] <phuedx>	 Hooks::onEventLoggingRegisterSchemas
[18:19:17] <phuedx>	 i'll update the patch and +1
[18:30:06] <phuedx_car>	 ^ coverage might drop but i should be around for the duration of the drive
[18:30:15] <phuedx_car>	 (currently on the m27)
[18:31:13] <bmansurov>	 phuedx_car: ok
[18:31:28] <bmansurov>	 thanks
[18:34:44] <phuedx_car>	 hah
[18:34:49] <phuedx_car>	 classic intermittent connection!
[18:35:02] <bmansurov>	 ;)
[18:47:57] <phuedx_car>	 DELETE MODE ENABLE
[18:48:00] <phuedx_car>	 pew pew pew
[18:48:53] <Pchelolo>	 mdholloway: did you deploy your redirecting patch?
[18:49:26] <mdholloway>	 Pchelolo: not yet.  it's awaiting a +2.  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/281989/
[18:50:24] <Pchelolo>	 mdholloway: aha, ok. We're just investigating some strange behaviour of restbase related to mobileapps, asked to exclude one possibility. 
[20:35:00] <FlorianSW>	 the lonley Jon: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_Jerusalem_Participants#/media/File:Jerusalem_Hackathon_IMG_8600.JPG :(
[20:35:02] <FlorianSW>	 jdlrobson: ^