[13:34:59] <dbrant>	 mdholloway: o/ do you want to have a quick hangout about saved pages / offline reading?
[13:35:33] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: sure, one sec
[13:38:36] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: ok, omw
[15:37:55] <dr0ptp4kt>	 phuedx: on the way?
[15:50:19] <dbrant>	 niedzielski: mdholloway: bearND: how do we feel about a re-release of Beta today? (to fix the plurals crash)
[15:51:13] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: fine with me
[15:54:03] <mdholloway>	 +1
[15:57:42] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: are we waiting on any other patches?
[15:58:16] <dbrant>	 niedzielski: don't believe so!
[16:01:35] <bearND>	 sounds good to me
[16:02:40] <dr0ptp4kt>	 maxbinder: spretro?
[16:14:47] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: er, so we don't need this connectivity patch?
[16:39:18] <mdholloway>	 bearND: i'm thinking of doing an mcs deployment during the window in ~20 minutes to see if the latest patches eliminate the wiktionary 404s.  any objection?
[16:39:59] <dbrant>	 niedzielski: oops sorry; if you think the connectivity patch is g2g, then go for it
[16:40:19] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: just trying to test it out right now
[16:42:32] <mdholloway>	 on that patch, i should probably revert to what was in PS1.  PS2 introduces changes that need discussion.
[17:06:11] <niedzielski>	 bmansurov: i am trying to be a big man on campus and attend the web standerp but no one is here. has it been cancelled?
[17:06:29] <bmansurov>	 niedzielski: sorry, we're at a different place
[17:06:41] <bmansurov>	 https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/wikimedia.org/web-retro?authuser=0
[17:06:50] <bmansurov>	 niedzielski: not sure if you can join
[17:07:03] <niedzielski>	 bmansurov: ok, i'll just catch it another time
[17:07:06] <niedzielski>	 thanks!
[17:07:09] <bmansurov>	 niedzielski: tomorrow!
[17:11:39] <mdholloway>	 bearND: does https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/299709 look ok to you?  i'm thinking of doing a deployment and that would be a nice bug fix to get in
[17:12:59] <bearND>	 mdholloway: i'm looking at it right now. I may need to test it a bit more. Also not sure why you're not reusing the date formatting function.
[17:13:12] <bearND>	 something with hyphenDelimited
[17:14:35] <mdholloway>	 bearND: oh, that's because all of our dateUtil date formatting functions take a Request object as the input
[17:14:45] <mdholloway>	 which is probably a good thing
[17:14:59] <bearND>	 mdholloway: k
[17:15:02] <mdholloway>	 didn't want to make them complex just for this one special case
[17:15:09] <mdholloway>	 i could write a separate function for it, though
[17:22:06] <bearND>	 mdholloway: sorry for the delay. This patch needs a manual rebase
[17:22:18] <mdholloway>	 bearND: that's ok!  doing now
[17:56:07] <niedzielski>	 dbrant bearND mdholloway: just kind of waiting on the test results from google. release notes are up for your review
[17:57:00] <dbrant>	 niedzielski: from google? what test is that?
[17:57:14] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: the prelaunch report. it just came in
[17:57:35] <dbrant>	 oh, i don't think i've seen those yet!
[17:58:01] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: oh, well it's under the prelaunch report tab of the production app (it comes in after i upload the alpha)
[17:58:38] <dbrant>	 very cool
[17:58:49] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: it's kind of new. we had enabled it a few releases back
[17:59:14] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: i'm not sure it's likely to catch a bug but it's still kind of nice
[17:59:38] <dbrant>	 free additional testing = can't hurt
[18:01:58] <mdholloway>	 dr0ptp4kt: i'm not sure how this escaped my attention until now, but our 1:1 this afternoon conflicts with an android team mtg with design to discuss navigation over haul options
[18:02:27] <mdholloway>	 s/over haul/overhaul
[18:17:00] <mdholloway>	 niedzielski-afk: release notes lgtm
[18:44:03] <mhurd>	 does anyone know if there's an easy way to see mediawiki extension usage stats for a given lang wiki - i.e. how many enwiki pages are use imagemap extension?
[18:47:15] <bearND>	 niedzielski-afk: release notes look good to me
[19:24:44] <leila>	 hey jdlrobson. question for when you have time. In general, is it true that the browser should support lazy loading and "we" should not worry about it?
[19:25:11] <leila>	 I'm asking since it's not clear for me by looking at the literature, for example, why we don't provide an extension for Chrome/Firefox.
[19:25:18] <leila>	 instead of lazy loading on site, jdlrobson.
[20:34:55] <jdlrobson>	 hey leila 
[20:35:19] <jdlrobson>	 there's an argument yes
[20:35:30] <jdlrobson>	 but 1) for many end users browser extensions are an enigma
[20:36:11] <jdlrobson>	 2) there's a case to be made that you wouldnt want to lazy load images on a website like flickr.com but you would on Wikipedia - so it can be inconvenient
[20:36:39] <jdlrobson>	 but yes if browsers supported this by default there would be less of a motivation to do what we are doing
[20:36:55] <leila>	 I see. thanks jdlrobson. :)
[20:37:16] <jdlrobson>	 leila: i owe you some replies to talk page on Japanese wiki
[20:37:30] <leila>	 re (2), ideally the browser should differentiate between different websites based on the content they serve and does a customized lazy loading.
[20:37:37] <jdlrobson>	 the short answer though is I did those super quickly just to get a rough idea. I need to redo them.
[20:37:52] <leila>	 I thought dr0ptp4kt owes me that jdlrobson. So in my accounts, you're good. ;)
[20:37:56] <jdlrobson>	 Better to look at Adam's more detailed analysis on Bengali/Farsi
[20:38:11] <leila>	 (I'm going over the analysis now, so np jdlrobson)
[20:50:46] <dbrant>	 niedzielski: release notes lg2m, but see my note in Play Store notes
[20:52:17] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: resolved: fixed
[20:58:02] <niedzielski>	 dbrant: i recommend we skip tsg testing for this release since it's so similar to 148
[20:58:25] <dbrant>	 niedzielski: yep, my thoughts as well.
[21:01:33] <bearND>	 dbrant: what Play Store notes were you referring to?
[21:02:10] <dbrant>	 bearND: I asked Stephen to add line #39 in the etherpad
[21:03:13] <bearND>	 dbrant: ah, ok. And that one goes to the Play Store release notes. Thanks
[21:06:59] <mdholloway>	 dbrant: niedzielski: bearND: looking at the failing authentication tests, i see the underlying issue but i think the failure will just go away when we stop supporting legacy login/createaccount flows.  i'm pretty sure authmanager is here to stay; anyone object to my taking out the legacy code?
[21:08:16] <niedzielski>	 mdholloway: sounds good to me. i think there's a phab for it. i was thinking it would be easier to fix by first ripping out the old code
[21:08:37] <dbrant>	 T137504
[21:08:37] <stashbot>	 T137504: [Dev] Remove old AuthManager code - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137504
[21:09:00] <mdholloway>	 note: we'll still be failing periodic tests due to needing jdk 8 set up on integration-slave-trusty-1023 but i'm hoping hashar can help us out with that in the next little while
[21:09:51] <mdholloway>	 thanks, dbrant and stashbot!
[21:12:32] <mdholloway>	 niedzielski: yeah, that makes sense.  i saw you mentioned that and it sounded about right and i'm even more convinced of it after a little digging. :)
[21:15:13] <hashar>	 mdholloway: yeah I have seen your task 
[21:15:30] <hashar>	 mdholloway: I am busy with other things tomorrow. IF that goes well I will look at the jdk8 issue
[21:15:42] <hashar>	 unless someone else looks at it
[21:16:18] <mdholloway>	 hashar: o/  yeah, i am not worried.  whenever you have time.  i guess there's also a question of maybe moving the job to a jessie machine.  anyway, i'll look forward to chatting about it when you (or someone) gets time
[21:16:22] <hashar>	 mdholloway: I dont think we have jdk8 on Trusty, so we would probably want to move to a Jessie slave
[21:16:34] <hashar>	 and set it up as the slave-trusty-1023