[07:33:09] i just recently noticed noticed that the text placed within tag gets rendered almost the same way as normal text in the app and in mobile version of article shown in browser. [07:35:08] It seems that the font used for text in tag and for normal text are same or are too similar so they are not easily distinguishable [07:36:01] I find them a lottle distinguishable in the desktop site [07:36:29] *little [07:37:40] Is this the way the tag is rendered in mobile version or is this an issue? [09:36:39] kaartic the tt tag is not supported in HTML5 so I suspect it has been overlooked for that reason. [11:30:29] jdlrobson: may be. If it has been overlooked as it has been dropped in HTML5, why am I able to distinguish the text within tag in desktop site ? why is there a partiality between the content shown in mobile and deskyop versions ? [11:30:52] kaartic: lemme see where that rule comes from [11:30:57] the mobile css is different from desktop [11:31:32] kaartic: what page are you seeing it styled? [11:33:54] jdlrobson: I see it in the "Copy elision" article's last paragraph the words "-fno-elide-constructors" are within the tag [11:35:28] kaartic: oh i see what's happening here [11:35:44] kaartic: what you're seeing on desktop is the default browser stylesheet [11:36:04] the mobile site uses a reset file which turns it off [11:37:25] there doesnt seem to be any recommendation from mediawiki itself on how to style a tt tag [11:37:34] personally i'd suggest editing the article to not use a tt tag. [11:38:01] and use or 
 instead
[11:38:23] 	 given "its use is discouraged in favor of style sheets."
[11:38:42] 	 jdlrobson: I see. Ok so the problem is not with mediawiki 
[11:39:05] 	 kaartic: correct. It could be fixed in mediawiki but given status of the tt tag in the html spec, i'm not confident much would happen
[11:42:19] 	 jdlrobson: you're right. I guess fixing it would not have much impact 
[11:42:35] 	 I better change the article instead
[11:45:38] 	 One more thing I was wanting to know is, are the alpha releases good enough for editing articles ? I am not able to edit articles successfully using the alpha release.
[12:28:53] 	 kaartic i'm not sure about that! niedzielski may know. I only work on the mobile web site
[14:34:45] 	 Hi all. I'm wondering if our mobile app account creation workflows follow the same logic(s) that our web app does. Specifically, I'm looking to modify https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/blob/master/includes/auth/CheckBlocksSecondaryAuthenticationProvider.php#L77 in core and wondering if I need to do anything to accommodate that change for our mobile
[14:34:45] 	 apps.
[15:54:01] 	 Niharika: o/ in the Android app, we create accounts via the API createaccount action.  In the event of an error, we just pass the message along to the user.  So, I don't think there should be any problem.  What specific change to you plan to make?
[15:54:09] 	 as for the iOS app, coreyfloyd would know better than me
[15:55:48] 	 mdholloway: Thanks! We're making a check for presence of a browser cookie and if it's there, that browser cannot make any new accounts. The cookie is placed when a blocked user tries to edit. 
[15:56:05] 	 This is to prevent spam accounts. The cookie expires after a time. 
[15:56:41] 	 Niharika: I see.  Yes, that should be fine for apps.  Thanks for checking!
[15:56:51] 	 Thank you. 
[16:04:02] 	 kaartic: o/ there are some issues with editing right now but they shouldn't be unique to alpha. all versions of the app occasionally suffer from dated content showing after an edit and require a manual refresh. wikidata description edits (alpha and dev only) don't currently auto-refresh the article
[16:05:59] 	 Hello all
[16:06:35] 	 I recently tried to edit using the alpha release app of the app and was unable to save my edit
[16:07:49] 	 Hi kaartic! Which version of the app were you using: iOS or Android?
[16:08:29] 	 I am using the android version. Sorry for not mentioning that.
[16:08:49] 	 That made me wonder whether the alpha release capable enough for editing articles ? So, is it a good idea to edit using the alpha version of the app? 
[16:09:18] 	 I'm unsure, but now I can direct you to the right people (although some of them work in the Pacific timezone and may not be online yet)
[16:09:37] 	 ^ niedzielski bearND dbrant mdholloway please see above convo
[16:10:08] 	 jhobs: i think niedzielski is already on it
[16:10:27] 	 kaartic: the alpha version is just built from master and fine to edit from generally. wikidata description editing doesn't have many miles on it yet but your testing should help
[16:10:45] 	 thanks bearND niedzielski!
[16:11:22] 	 thanks jhobs jdlrobson!
[16:13:50] 	 niedzielski: I was able to successfully edit wikidata descriptions on a few articles. When I try to edit an article and save the edit, I get an "Edit failed!" error.
[16:14:20] 	 niedzielski: hi, are you planning to release an alpha with editing un-broken today ?
[16:15:07] 	 kaartic: i reported that last week
[16:15:48] 	 kaartic matanya: T150529
[16:15:49] 	 T150529: every edit save fails on 2.4.180-alpha-2016-11-10 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150529
[16:16:21] 	 kaartic matanya:  alpha builds release every ~15 minutes and a new commit is available
[16:19:24] 	 matanya: I saw this ticket https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149921
[16:19:45] 	 I asked because I couldn't edit in the alpha build released after that
[16:20:03] 	 *I asked now
[16:21:01] 	 kaartic: that one was fixed in previous alpha. the current issue is the one linked above by niedzielski 
[16:21:58] 	 matanya: ok I guess I have to edit using the beta version until this gets fixed
[16:22:12] 	 indeed
[16:28:15] 	 matanya kaartic: sorry, i think there was a TODO in a recent editing refactor that hasn't been done. i believe it should affect only logged in users unfortunately
[16:28:41] 	 matanya kaartic: i will update the ticket momentarily
[16:29:11] 	 niedzielski: you don't have a SLA for alpha, no worries :)
[16:30:03] 	 niedzielski: no problem
[16:30:06] 	 niedzielski: which todo are you referring to?
[16:30:42] 	 bearND: i'm looking for it now. i think it was in the EditClient and an unused username param
[16:32:12] 	 bearND: actually, i was misremembering. this is in DescriptionEditClient which shouldn't affect article edits
[16:32:58] 	 niedzielski: yes, i'm working on that one in the DescriptionEditClient
[16:45:50] 	 I just now noticed something in the wikidata description shown for articles
[16:46:41] 	 It seems that the app displayes the first character capatilized despite of whether it is a small or capital letter in the description
[16:47:12] 	 Is this done intentionally ?
[16:50:04] 	 kaartic: yes, good observation. This needs to be addressed. I guess we need to not capitalized the descriptions anymore.
[16:52:28] 	 I found that when a description I added had it's first letter capitalized when I didn't capatilize it. 
[16:58:10] 	 We don't capitalize descriptions when editing. so, in Wikidata they don't get capitalized. Only when we display it in the page
[17:32:48] 	 bearND kaartic: ^^ is there a phab task to capture this or should i make one?
[17:34:28] 	 niedzielski: I haven't seen one yet.
[17:39:36] 	 T150668
[17:49:06] 	 thanks
[18:02:32] 	 nzr: standup if u plz
[18:10:16] 	 bearND: you have a sec before standup?
[18:10:24] 	 bearND: about the header test
[18:15:57] 	 coreyfloyd: oops, sorry, just missed it
[18:16:16] 	 bearND: np
[18:17:09] 	 JoshM_: reets standup
[18:25:46] 	 bearND: have a minute to hang?
[18:26:01] 	 coreyfloyd: batcave?
[18:26:11] 	 just call… thank the bc is booked
[18:26:58] 	 coreyfloyd: it's me and Monte. Iy's ok
[18:27:00] 	 it
[18:31:16] 	 dbrant: JoshM_ kanbanification meeting :)
[18:32:23] 	 maxbinder: i don't see an invite
[18:32:46] 	 dbrant: my bad, somehow you got left off
[18:32:47] 	 emailed
[19:06:28] 	 coreyfloyd: I have a few minutes to chat now
[19:06:43] 	 bearND: cool - BC?
[19:06:44] 	 in the batcave
[19:28:32] 	 niedzielski: I would like to get you a proper webcam. What say ye?
[19:29:09] 	 maxbinder: i have one but my recent linux driver changes have been causing it to turn white so i've been using my phone. has it been an issue?
[19:30:00] 	 I don't think it's a big issue. Just seems like an unnecessary pain point that is easy to fix.
[19:30:00] 	 niedzielski: Happy to coordinate with OIT to get you sorted
[19:31:09] 	 maxbinder: i changed distros over the weekend. i'll give it another go.i can also just not dial in with my webcam (i think some other folks have theres off almost 100% of the time)
[20:43:27] 	 niedzielski: I actually prefer if you can use your camera when possible, as I'm sure others do, too. I just want to make sure you have the support you need to make that as painless as possible. If your phone camera works for you, great. :)
[21:08:28] 	 maxbinder: i've been trying to get my camera sorted. right now my phone works the most reliably (based on last meeting, it looks like the latest ubuntu doesn't work any better). i also like when people feel comfortable turning on their cameras but i think we frequently only have about half the folks in attendance with a camera on so i'm not sure if you're singling me out for another reason
[21:28:44] 	 niedzielski: Sorry, didn't mean to single you out. Just had some time and realized that your camera situation wasn't ideal and you might have one fewer thing to worry about if we sorted it. :)
[21:29:35] 	 niedzielski: Folks should feel free to turn off their cameras as needed. I think generally speaking folks have an easier time communicating in hangouts if they can see one another's faces too.
[21:31:52] 	 maxbinder: thanks, i've been trying. hope it hasn't caused any problems (i login with my web client and can see my video coming in clearly). unfortunately, sometimes it's hard to get the right driver setup on linux. in this case, it's a standard USB UVC webcam that i bought specifically because people said it worked well on linux (and it did for over a year) but recently the video started turning white after a
[21:31:52] 	 couple minutes so i've been using my phone's camera.
[21:32:54] 	 niedzielski: word. Also happy to coordinate with OIT. You might also try reaching out to Arthur on TPG, he recently sorted out some linux issues regarding video cameras
[21:33:06] 	 how are you linking your phone camera with your linux?
[21:35:18] 	 Platonides: i'm just dialing in through hangouts on the phone. the phone is mounted to my laptop screen. i'm not connecting it as a camera recognized by my desktop. the camera i am debugging is a standard USB webcam separate from the phone
[21:39:48] 	 so you are really calling with your phone
[21:40:13] 	 I thought you were able to export the phone as a webcam to the pc
[21:40:18] 	 which seemed interesting
[21:44:25] 	 Platonides: that's right :] the phone is just a workaround
[21:53:31] 	 jdlrobson, did you guys put all the links in divs? https://goo.gl/photos/TiksA9a3stPuHGQU6
[22:17:24] 	 niedzielski: had a question for you in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/320620/1/app/src/main/java/org/wikipedia/descriptions/DescriptionEditFragment.java@a109
[22:18:10] 	 ^ cool, i'll follow up shortly. i'm actually looking at your open patch for abuse filter right now :]
[22:21:27] 	 ty