[00:03:49] Amgine: you're in here? [00:04:13] No, of course not. You're having a bad dream. Shhh... go back to sleep... [00:04:39] Did you go to Wikimania? [00:04:47] [08:47:55] o/ Ironholds [08:50:54] hey halfak :) [08:51:00] how goes? [08:51:27] Not bad. Looks like I accidentally went to sleep rather than showing up to the staff meeting yesterday. :\ [08:51:32] Woops [08:52:23] yeah, I've been hella-sleepy all week so far. I don't know why. [08:52:27] Maybe I'm catching up. [08:52:45] I'm sure sleeping all of monday day will not ruin my cycle in any way no sirree. [08:53:12] I go to bed 10am UTC, wake up 6pm UTC and go to bed again 8pm UTC to wake up at 10pm UTC. [08:53:28] * Ironholds cannot deal with flying conscious these days [08:53:41] Ack! [08:54:45] Well at least you get to relax for a few days. [08:55:21] oh, working until then ;p [08:55:26] and after that I have 12 days to find somewhere to live [08:55:30] this is gonna be an adventure :D [08:55:48] although if I do find somewhere to live I can go down and hang with leila and otto in NY. So that'll be fun. [08:56:19] AND as both a west-coast and east-coast 'merkin I get both "hella" and "wicked". So it works out pretty well! [08:56:43] I need to move to the midwest at some point to legitimise my use of "oh sure". Then I'll have the whole shebang. [08:56:43] Leila will be in NY? [08:56:59] yeah, she's going there for some conference in late August and coworking with otto for a few days while she's around [08:57:05] "You betcha" [08:57:49] heheh [08:57:58] no, I associate that too closely with Palin to ever use it. [09:31:00] No! She stole it from us. We're a highly educated and socially liberal people. [12:30:18] halfak: there's some convo in -labs about replicating EL to labs if you want to take a look [13:06:45] YuviPanda, Just got back from lunch. Reading scroll [13:28:55] halfak: phuedx http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/runs/all much more sane now \o/ [13:29:09] I'll paginate it shortly [13:29:29] brb [13:29:51] ooooo. Full list! [13:29:58] Collapsed runs. [13:30:04] YuviPanda: cool, try and make the pagination a little generic--but don't go crazy--because we'll be reusing it on the user page [13:33:31] * phuedx needs to get rid of code review backlog so that he can assign time to quarry [13:50:15] Night gathers, and now my lurk begins. It shall not end until my death. [13:50:25] EdSaperia! [13:50:32] I didn't see you lurking :) [13:50:33] halfak! [13:50:38] I just joined! [13:50:53] Woot! Welcome [13:51:04] I am subscribing to all research related things I can find [13:51:20] I know there's a newsletter and a mailing list [13:51:23] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l [13:51:27] ^ mailing list [13:52:05] already there [13:52:30] :) [13:53:03] For the past month it's mostly been about how to get newbie researchers who want to do surveys of editors to do their literature review first [13:54:35] I'm trying to get an overview of work, are there any projects that are good places to start? e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ACST or something like that? [13:55:20] Hmm... Good Q. Lots of work to overview. It depends on what threads you think are most interesting. [13:55:32] There's some lit reviews that have come out recently too. [13:56:25] You'd think this work above others would be well categorised [13:56:46] heh. we have a wiki [13:56:58] http://wikilit.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page [13:57:20] Woops. Wrong wiki [13:57:22] See http://wikipapers.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page [13:57:41] Looks like it is a little out of date. [13:57:52] * halfak adds some maintenance time to his long todo list [13:58:01] Reality is out of date [14:36:50] * YuviPanda waves at J-Mo [14:37:02] J-Mo: http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/runs/all is much nicer now [14:37:19] 'sup, YuviPanda! [14:37:53] J-Mo: made it back to the US safe? :) [14:37:57] what has changed in the interface? It's not jumping out at me [14:38:08] J-Mo: collapsed runs, so each query only shows up once :) [14:38:12] I did. Easy flight, no drama [14:38:24] ah, peeeerfect [14:38:25] J-Mo: also lists all queries so far, while previous one listed only last 25 runs [14:38:58] niiiice [14:39:59] will need to add pagination [14:41:01] * J-Mo nods [14:46:35] J-Mo: I'll add the description field later today or tomorrow [14:46:45] and then userpagessss!!!! :) [14:46:56] sweet. same timeframe for my documentation work [14:47:15] coool :) [14:47:26] J-Mo: btw, sometime this month, Quarry can also query OpenStreetMap data :) [14:47:43] ooohhhh. shiny [14:47:44] waiting for our OSM labsdb postgres work to complete, but once that is done it should be easy to add [17:40:11] I wonder how vast is the scope of Data Visualization Research and its value in market [17:46:57] csrockstar_, wut? [17:55:28] hi halfak [17:55:38] Hi csrockstar_ [17:56:03] yah I was just wondering if there's big market for Data Visualization Scientists [17:56:14] Um. I don't think there [17:56:23] 's such thing as a "Visualization Scientist" [17:57:03] Data Visualization is one of the strategies employed in Data Science to make sense of things. [17:57:13] oops I meant Data Visualization Specialist [17:57:19] I'd say there's a big market for Data Science. [17:58:20] how about Data Visualization Science? [17:58:41] like for example http://vis.stanford.edu/ [17:59:20] I'd say that "data science" is more about frequentist inference and visualization is more about communication. [17:59:35] But data visualization is sort of it's own field. [18:00:35] Seems like the internet's got a lot on that. [18:00:37] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=data+visualization+specialist+jobs [18:01:03] Are you asking if we're looking for data viz folks at the WMF? [18:01:22] halfak: btw, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2014-August/004293.html is happening [18:02:14] Seems like the wrong use of wikidata to put a plot in there, but I can see the use for maps. [18:02:41] I'd rather store the plot in a vector file on commons and the data on wikidata. [18:02:53] * halfak misread. [18:02:57] rereading [18:03:28] not exactly that I'm asking if you guys are looking for data viz folks [18:03:46] but just curious about its scope, coz you guys work in media [18:05:10] Oh. Well, we don't exactly produce the media. Heh. I guess you'd be better off asking our volunteer media producers :) [18:05:21] We're more into building up knowledge in this IRC channel. [18:05:37] e.g. how does stuff work. [18:05:45] how can we make it work better. [18:05:51] how is it working right now. [18:06:07] Visualization might be a strategy to help us do that, but I suppose I see it as a means and not an end. [18:06:12] ok thanks [18:06:15] n/p [18:06:47] YuviPanda|groggy, looks like an interesting proposal now that I've read it properly. [18:07:15] time for dinner. [18:07:16] o/ [18:07:19] halfak: \o [20:07:43] I am on a book buying spree, any suggestions? [20:08:05] Particularly non-fiction, relevant research stuff... [20:08:25] But y'know, whatever you want to recommend I guess? [20:14:06] Back! And I have a little bit of time to fix the serialization bug in jsonable. [20:24:27] J-Mo, I added something to your calendar for next week Friday. Let me know if you need some more context. :-) [20:26:26] looks fun, leila! And I actually have time to read stuff now, so I'll be able to participate. Thanks! [20:26:37] great! happy to hear that. [21:00:48] hey halfak [21:00:55] Hey DarTar [21:01:00] moving to a room near here [21:01:57] kk [21:02:02] I’m in the hangout [21:17:30] J-Mo: and boom http://quarry.wmflabs.org/Jmorgan%20(WMF) [21:17:36] or http://quarry.wmflabs.org/Halfak%20(WMF) [21:19:28] that's awesome, YuviPanda. For accessing (my own) query history, possible to put a link in the dropdown under my username? (above "Log out") [21:30:19] J-Mo: yeah, I'm doing that right now [21:30:30] awesome [21:31:03] J-Mo: next step would be stars :) [21:31:17] J-Mo: and ways to convince people to actually title their queries :) [21:40:37] J-Mo: done, btw [21:41:03] Woot! thanks [21:43:09] J-Mo: it also says 'X days/hours ago' everywhere instead of a date [21:43:35] I saw that. Nice! [22:07:46] DarTar, I think I'm still connected, but I can't hear you in the call. [22:07:53] yo halfak [22:39:37] halfak, J-Mo, there is a conflict with Friday, Aug. 22, 10:30-11:30, I need to change the reading club thing. Are your calendars updated? I'm seeing Tuesday, 11-12 free. [22:40:35] leila: Tuesday 8/26? works for me [22:40:45] 19th, J-Mo [22:41:53] okay… fewer days means I'm less likely to be able to read the document. overall, I may not be able to participate if we're doing a mid-week seminar. That's when I'm most time-constrained :( But I will try! [22:42:21] I see what you say. [22:42:32] lemme see where halfak stands on this. I'll update. [22:45:05] halfak: I received a moderation ping for Leila’s post to research-internal but I don’t think I have the credentials to approve it [22:45:29] I got it, too, DarTar, but I assumed it went through [23:36:15] I live