[00:58:26] <Emufarmers>	 sorry
[14:44:33] <halfak>	 Hey hey science people!
[14:44:35] <halfak>	 o/ Ironholds 
[14:44:39] <Ironholds>	 hey halfak :)
[14:48:33] * halfak cracks knuckles and begins handling the email wave. 
[15:40:25] * Ironholds sighs
[15:40:30] <Ironholds>	 I feel tremendously demotivated this week
[15:41:20] <halfak>	 Boo.  Take some of those vacation days and travel to MN.  I'll throw you in a snowbank and you'll suddenly be very motivated to punch me in the face.  ;) 
[15:41:24] <halfak>	 Ironholds, ^
[15:42:11] <Ironholds>	 haha
[15:42:27] <Ironholds>	 I do need to spend more time interacting with actual people.
[15:42:41] <Ironholds>	 Boston is...lonely, particularly around christmas, when all of my younger friends head off home.
[15:42:45] <halfak>	 Any chance you are interested in going skiing/snowboarding?
[15:42:59] <Ironholds>	 I've never actually been either
[15:43:21] <Ironholds>	 the offer is appreciated, but I don't have the money or the notice :(
[17:41:20] <halfak>	 Email complete!
[17:41:56] <halfak>	 Damn.  My enwiki job is still running in hadoop. 
[17:42:08] <halfak>	 Finish, damn you!
[17:46:03] * halfak runs off to lunch
[18:29:55] * halfak walks back lazily
[18:31:13] <Ironholds>	 yo
[18:31:30] <Ironholds>	 writing a parser would be a lot easier if I knew anything about parser theory, I think
[21:10:37] <halfak>	 hey Nemo_bis, you around?
[21:21:05] <Nemo_bis>	 Hi halfak 
[21:21:25] <Nemo_bis>	 2h until the bright new age of permanent it.m.wikipedia.org unregistered editing ;)
[21:21:48] <halfak>	 Oh!?  I didn't know that decisions couldn't be overturned ;) 
[21:21:49] <halfak>	 :P  
[21:22:01] <halfak>	 I got a chance to update my analysis of itwiki around the anon deploy. 
[21:22:13] <halfak>	 I was wondering what your most recent understanding & open questions were. 
[21:22:42] <Nemo_bis>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/181791/
[21:23:25] <Nemo_bis>	 I've not checked latest numbers. There *seemed* to be a drop of registrations after the triple-click-to-edit was removed
[21:23:53] <Nemo_bis>	 Like, from 100 to 80 registrations per day... breadcrumbs I guess
[21:23:54] <halfak>	 Cool.  I'll do a seasonal component extraction to see if that's clear. 
[21:24:13] <halfak>	 I guess I might want to extract the yearly component too.  Hmm. 
[21:24:14] <halfak>	 We'll see. 
[21:24:23] <halfak>	 We should be good up until a week before the solstance. 
[21:24:27] <halfak>	 *solstace
[21:24:59] <Nemo_bis>	 Nah, it already went back up http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/all_daily_reg_mobile#
[21:25:37] <Nemo_bis>	 Anyway, the big question is whether users actually noticed something changed
[21:26:16] <Nemo_bis>	 Interface on MobileFrontend is very subtle, changing permissions meant a change of few pixels (the lock over the pencils)
[21:26:43] <halfak>	 Pretty big change in behavior though. 
[21:26:44] <Nemo_bis>	 We were cautious and didn't run sitenotices nor press releases...
[21:26:56] <halfak>	 Especially since you cut down on the clicks. 
[21:27:06] <Nemo_bis>	 Certainly so
[21:27:11] <halfak>	 How many clicks is it now?
[21:27:17] <Nemo_bis>	 Still two I think
[21:27:21] <halfak>	 Gotcha. 
[21:27:45] <Ironholds>	 tnegrin, I'm having fun writing Java
[21:27:48] <Ironholds>	 otto has broken me.
[21:28:00] <Ironholds>	 I think this means he needs to pay my salary, now. You break it...
[21:28:21] <Nemo_bis>	 halfak: The interstitial could be removed if we had solid reasons to think a shorter message can tell users they forgot to login
[21:29:07] <Nemo_bis>	 (IMHO that's a very rare issue, but power users who forget to login are embarrassed and blame the interface)
[21:29:14] <halfak>	 Nemo_bis, seems like it is good to stay that way.  Forgetting to log in is a pretty legitimate cas.e 
[21:29:21] <Nemo_bis>	 Yeah
[21:29:37] <halfak>	 Yeah.  We might explore other means -- e.g. different background color for the text area when logged out. 
[21:29:48] <Nemo_bis>	 Nice idea
[21:30:24] <Nemo_bis>	 Maybe in combination with the user session thingies
[21:30:40] <halfak>	 user session thingies?
[21:31:31] <Nemo_bis>	 The I don't remember what to notice that an unregistered user is actually a registered user who forgot to login
[21:32:05] <Nemo_bis>	 Forgot or didn't want to, or just didn't yet
[21:32:45] <Nemo_bis>	 So, it's possible there is still potential for growth
[21:32:54] <halfak>	 +1 
[21:33:08] * halfak extracts the components
[21:33:40] <Nemo_bis>	 But the other question is whether we want/need better evaluation of how productive those new edits were
[21:34:18] <halfak>	 Nemo_bis, I'm hoping to do some measurements.  
[21:34:28] <Nemo_bis>	 User:Gianfranco made an assessment over some 140 edits and found 66 % positive and 22 % negative, where "positive" includes what you could have called good faith + golden I think
[21:34:46] <halfak>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Content_persistence
[21:34:49] <halfak>	 Nemo_bis, ^ 
[21:34:50] <Nemo_bis>	 Of course another user replied "only 40 % edits were actually good"
[21:35:08] <halfak>	 Yeah, well, we need people to try and fail.
[21:35:10] <halfak>	 WP:BOLD
[21:35:13] <halfak>	 and all that. 
[21:35:32] <Nemo_bis>	 Indeed, that was a single voice ;)
[21:35:51] <Nemo_bis>	 I still have wikitrust installed on Firefox since 2009 or so I think :P 
[21:36:42] <halfak>	 Did something happen mid. Dec.  
[21:36:43] <halfak>	 ?
[21:36:53] <Nemo_bis>	 The third click was removed on the 17th
[21:36:56] <halfak>	 Actually, it looks like early december --
[21:37:07] <halfak>	 Yeah... I guess then is when it really picks up. 
[21:37:09] <halfak>	 :) 
[21:37:55] <Nemo_bis>	 So, if qualitative analysis is needed, I may find some volunteers to perform it
[21:38:10] <Nemo_bis>	 But now I'm called to new year social duties
[21:38:37] <halfak>	 o/ 
[21:38:39] <halfak>	 have fun!
[21:38:42] <halfak>	 Talk to you in 2015
[21:39:37] * halfak curses the Dec. 17th deploy of the two clicks. 
[21:39:55] <halfak>	 Hard to work out what was Xmas and what was 3rd click.