[00:00:00] DarTar, will do [00:13:31] whee, this app is coming together [00:13:33] * Ironholds purses fingers [00:31:14] * halfak has a wikiclass model [00:31:16] :) [16:23:38] mornin halfak. I confirmed with Bob and March 25 works for him for the showcase. [16:23:52] if it still works for you, I'll go ahead and fix the two speakers [16:24:04] morning! [16:24:09] Yup. Still works for me. [16:24:21] perfect. [16:25:15] Updated the mediawiki page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Research_and_Data/Showcase#March_2015 [16:25:39] working on it [16:25:40] oh! [16:25:41] :D [16:25:44] conflict [16:25:47] :P [16:25:49] Sorry [16:25:57] np. thanks for letting me know. [16:26:04] I had the tab open from adding my abstract the other day :S [16:26:09] haha [16:34:53] Ironholds: ping? [17:12:25] guillom, eep, overslept! :? [17:12:35] *:/ [17:13:08] Ironholds: Want to postpone to another time when you're caffeinated? :) [17:17:43] guillom, heh; now would be fine! [17:17:53] my brain has "SF starts at midday" engraved in it [17:18:03] Ironholds: ok, lemme extend the reservation of the room and join the hangout [17:18:09] Hah. [17:18:17] * guillom gets up at 6. [17:39:08] o/ YuviPanda|zzz [17:42:23] tnegrin, are we still doing today's 1:1? [17:42:50] I have a conflict today with a Lila meeting so I have to reschedule [17:44:28] sure. [18:29:22] whee, travel for philly locked in [18:29:52] milimetric, you'll show us all the good places in philly right? And then I figure we can hack for the remaining 4 days ;) [18:30:51] if we were in Pittsburg I could get us a tour around a robotics facility. Womp womp. [18:31:44] Ironholds: all the good places in Philly are frozen :) [18:31:56] aww [18:31:57] So, we're going skating? [18:32:00] Or skiing? [18:32:10] actually, we totally could go skiing [18:32:16] there's a place a little over an hour away [18:32:36] Hmm... I should have scheduled for an extra day. [18:32:48] ooh, now I have your attention, I can ask you researchie questions [18:32:49] I dunno if taking a day out of the week to hit the hills would be OK. [18:32:54] :) [18:32:59] I've never been skiing but I'd love to! [18:33:03] no, not a whole day, we could even do it at night if we're crazy enough [18:33:11] night skiing? [18:33:15] Night skiing is a thing too. But a tad more dangerous. [18:33:18] yea, it has lights [18:33:27] huh [18:33:31] I like night skiing [18:33:32] guillom, well, I have to die someway [18:33:33] :) [18:33:52] Na. I think the hill is generally more visible under lights than midday when it is cloudy. [18:34:59] I'd personally prefer my epitath to say something other than "He skied at night". [18:35:22] Night skiing isn't really a thing in the Alps. [18:36:01] guillom, it's a thing in the rockies, but you're only going to get a couple runs lit up. [18:36:04] "Oliver Keyes, 1990-2015, died alone on a hill" [18:36:05] It's expensive. [18:36:09] people'd believe that [18:36:36] "Oliver Keys, died battling an icy mountain at night" [18:36:45] *e [18:37:11] In the Alps, you usually only have one or two "torch runs" per season. [18:37:30] you say mountain, I say frost atronach [18:38:04] Sadly, [[w:fr:Descente aux flambeaux]] doesn't have a picture. [18:41:18] milimetric, did you have a researchy thingie? [18:42:25] yes [18:42:30] but SoS for now, I can ask after? [18:47:04] hh [18:47:10] *OK [18:47:11] :) [19:00:30] ok, fully ready to ask questions now [19:00:30] halfak, I'll be ~2 min late. [19:00:36] kk [19:00:58] milimetric, you've got me for 2 minutes ;) [19:01:09] so my problem is basically I don't know how to limit my research into this data [19:01:17] for example [19:01:34] https://edit-analysis.wmflabs.org/adhoc.html#ve-failures.tsv is graphing the failure rates by type over time for all wikis [19:01:56] and I would want to look at this for each wiki [19:02:06] but that's way too much data for anyone to digest - like 700 wikis [19:02:24] no need to answer now halfak, we started talking about it yesterday in staff, but I welcome help here [19:02:44] Kevin's going to talk with DarTar in a bit to ask him who I can bother without being too invasive [19:02:47] I'll wait for that [19:02:47] when you say "limit", do you mean "knowing when you are done?" [19:03:24] * halfak runs away [19:03:26] sort of, like knowing what data I should present to the Edit team so they find it useful [19:03:37] but not overwhelming [19:30:08] whee [19:30:14] just deployed a web app to explore a dataset [19:30:22] it took 123 lines of R [19:30:53] https://ironholds.shinyapps.io/WhereInTheWorldIsWikipedia/ (prototype, the text is awful and I'mma work on it. But I figured halfak or DarTar might be interested) [19:32:12] Ironholds: looks amazing, I’ll take a look at in in detail later today [19:32:29] cool! I should have v1.0.0 up by then [19:32:42] halfak, you got the creds for the WMF figshare? [19:33:30] Ironholds: also percentage is presented as a propotion in the data but not in the chart [19:33:49] we have no WMF creds for figshare [19:33:58] you create your own account [19:34:18] but we generally host a copy on the datahub for portability [19:34:44] also, please please CC0 the data [19:35:26] DarTar, of course! [19:35:34] and, what do you mean, not presented as a proportion in the chart? [19:35:41] oh, gotcha [19:35:46] "0.56" versus "56%" [19:35:52] and you may also want to explain the key for “project” [19:36:11] sorry, scrap that, it’s the normalized domain [19:36:44] yup [19:37:19] and: specify the period the data was collected from and any filtering/cleanup of the data you performed [19:38:23] yup [19:38:43] I would also…erm… drop the first sentence under Privacy implications :p and change the title to a generic Data prepaaration [19:39:45] where you include the additional info about the dataset [19:41:13] that's less fun! [19:41:16] but okay [20:07:06] DarTar, v0.0.5, https://ironholds.shinyapps.io/WhereInTheWorldIsWikipedia/ [20:07:24] it also now has an "All projects" option [20:13:45] Ironholds, why not labs? [20:15:20] halfak, because I spent 40 minutes trying to roll my own shiny instance and gave up while screaming in frustration ;p [20:17:10] Ironholds: cool! [20:17:37] YuviPanda|zzz, ^ [20:17:41] Ironholds, that' [20:17:47] s too bad. [20:17:56] Yuvi would likely appreciate your notes on the problem. :) [20:18:11] "shiny is terrible nodeJS bullshit" [20:19:16] ha [20:20:29] Ironholds: this looks really nice! [20:21:24] I was thinking of a dynamic widget, maybe [20:21:33] so you select a language and then a project, instead of one infinitely-scrolling list [20:21:43] but that sounds like a pain to set up and I don't wanna steal all of Heather/Shilad's fun :D [20:22:39] Are they collaborating with you on this? [20:26:57] halfak, I'mma give them the data when they've decided what it should bloody look like ;p [20:27:02] (everyone else gets it too, mind, but!) [20:27:20] Gotcha [21:00:01] DarTar, okay, final version, https://ironholds.shinyapps.io/WhereInTheWorldIsWikipedia/ [21:00:03] thoughts? [21:00:04] harej, ^ [21:00:36] aa.wikibooks.org is read predominantly in the united states [21:00:38] good to know! [21:01:27] I was thinking of substituting "2014" for the actual language name [21:01:34] harej, or more likely, nobody reads aa.wikibooks.org ;p [21:02:15] looks cool [21:03:05] thankee! [21:03:08] okay, hitting the go-button [21:07:51] released! [21:07:54] tweet about it or something, yo [21:27:39] J-Mo: this may interest you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_X/Stories/summary#Analysis [21:27:48] based on 28 wikiprojects discussed at WPX/Stories; not in any way scientific ;) [21:28:30] very interesting. thanks harej [21:41:29] Ironholds: cool stuff, I wonder why so many views to nn.wikipedia.org comes from outside Norway... heh [21:47:57] Ironholds, is there a tweet for me to retweet? [21:48:38] Ironholds, nice! [21:58:59] nice work, Ironholds [22:01:22] halfak: Andrew Lih tweeted and the WMF's social media team is planning to tweet it as well. Ironholds, if you want to edit your copy, you should probably do it Soon. [22:01:43] (Or tell the Comms folks to hold their horses) [22:02:23] halfak: are you joining us? (to see if we need the hangout) [22:02:38] Hmm.. I'm in the hangout [22:02:45] ok; give me a sec [22:12:37] guillom: they are? woah. [22:12:41] and, naw, it's fine! [22:12:53] fhocutt, milimetric, thank you! [22:13:05] LL and I are gonna bump heads at the hack evening tomorrow and get some GIS up in it too [22:30:16] guillom: if Social Media tweets make sure they include an image to drive more traffic, I need to remind Ironholds all the time ;) [22:31:00] DarTar: I just saw something on a mailing list; It's NotMyJob any more :) [22:31:21] guillom: fair [22:44:13] notmyjob is the best kind of job [22:44:26] hey, DarTar: you know if this blows up and we get a ton of traction and it turns out there's a problem with the data? [22:44:28] NotMyJob :D [22:48:51] Ironholds: totally your job ;) [22:49:19] Ironholds: but you can paywall it [22:57:23] my job description sez different [23:03:13] Ironholds I wish my job description was a wiki page :D [23:03:36] \though then anyone would edit it.... >_< [23:03:53] * milimetric edits everyone's job description [23:04:56] Ironholds: lemme know if geo things are harder than you hope. I can d3 :) [23:05:08] I haz d3? Not even sure how one describes that beastly library... [23:39:04] milimetric: naw, geo is easy [23:39:09] I've done it many a time before! [23:45:49] guillom, I like that we have a team of people for the dynamic world of social media [23:45:55] and they schedule and carefully evaluate tweets [23:46:05] it makes me feel that we've really grokked this whole 21st-century thing ;p [23:46:12] héhéhé