[16:59:22] <leila>	 mornin' halfak.
[16:59:28] <leila>	 it's still morning. ;-)
[16:59:32] <halfak>	 o/ leila 
[16:59:37] <halfak>	 just got a minute :) 
[16:59:42] <halfak>	 *for a minute
[16:59:55] <leila>	 question for you: have you confirmed your Wikimania talk?
[17:00:04] <leila>	 halfak, ^
[17:00:46] <halfak>	 leila, yup. 
[17:00:58] <leila>	 I have an email that one of the talks is accepted, just talked to Dario about it. I'm going to go ahead and confirm the talk. (I was hesitant since Wikimania travel is not approved yet). Thought to let you know in case you're wondering halfak.
[17:01:25] <halfak>	 Oh gotcha.  :)  I'll be traveling to Wikimania regardless, so the decision was easy for me :) 
[17:01:34] <EdSaperia>	 yay, see y'all there
[17:01:44] <leila>	 great halfak. :-) 
[17:01:52] <leila>	 looking forward to seeing you EdSaperia. 
[17:01:52] <halfak>	 :D o/ EdSaperia 
[17:02:21] * EdSaperia still gets a notification any time anyone mentions Wikimania
[17:14:02] <harej>	 That's unfortnuate.
[19:26:25] <ottomata>	 how do I talk to ellery?
[19:26:26] <ottomata>	 :)
[19:26:34] <ottomata>	 he is never here!
[19:27:02] <YuviPanda>	 ottomata: I’m handing out free IRCCloud accounts, so if anyone in your team needs it...
[19:27:08] <YuviPanda>	 (assuming they’re from the WMF, etc)
[19:27:14] <ottomata>	 ha, he is, but i doubt he wants it
[19:27:18] <ottomata>	 i'm pretty sure he's online working right now
[19:27:27] <ottomata>	 i thin he just avoids IRC because it is distracting
[19:27:33] <YuviPanda>	 that’s totally fair too :D
[19:29:19] <guillom>	 ottomata: Try asking leila, they share a desk
[19:30:03] <ottomata>	 oh!
[19:30:07] <ottomata>	 leila: is ellery near you?
[19:30:50] <guillom>	 Otherwise, email probably works :)
[19:32:05] <ottomata>	 ja that is my next resort, but i wanted to real time talk to him
[19:35:28] <Ironholds>	 so...does anyone know why https://m.wikipedia.org redirects to enwiki?
[19:35:46] <Ironholds>	 is it a language setting or what? Deskana, you probably know.
[19:35:52] <guillom>	 Hey Ironholds!
[19:36:16] <Ironholds>	 hey guillom :)
[19:36:55] <Deskana>	 Ironholds: I have no idea.
[19:37:23] <Ironholds>	 hokey. Do you know who I'd talk to about that? 
[19:37:35] <Ironholds>	 like: whether it's got language detection or is just auto-to-english?
[19:37:52] <guillom>	 YuviPanda: Do you know of a way to iterate through a set number of items with a generator? I have a for loop going through every item, but it's a gigantic set so during development I want to only process the first 10 or so items, but I'm not sure how do do that.
[19:39:02] <guillom>	 Ironholds: Because: English-language imperialism.
[19:39:15] <Ironholds>	 guillom, that's what I'm worried about
[19:39:28] <Ironholds>	 if we're defaulting to english for everyone I am going to be, to define it elegantly, incredibly pissed.
[19:39:33] <Ironholds>	 hence why I'm asking questions first ;p
[19:39:48] <YuviPanda>	 guillom: ah, I usually just keep a counter and break
[19:40:16] <guillom>	 YuviPanda: Hmm, ok. I thought there might be a smarter way, but I'll go with that. Thanks :)
[19:41:08] <YuviPanda>	 guillom: if you want to be smarter you can use the first take() function in https://docs.python.org/2/library/itertools.html#recipes
[19:41:49] <guillom>	 YuviPanda: Oh, I like that. Thank you :)
[19:42:13] <YuviPanda>	 Ironholds: 
[19:42:14] <YuviPanda>	 ○ → curl -H 'Accept-Language: da, de' -I m.wikipedia.org
[19:42:19] <YuviPanda>	 Location: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[19:42:33] <Ironholds>	 iow, not language based, just defaulting to english for everyone?
[19:42:36] <YuviPanda>	 yeah
[19:42:39] <YuviPanda>	 simpler test:
[19:42:40] <YuviPanda>	 ○ → curl -H 'Accept-Language: de' -I m.wikipedia.org
[19:42:43] <YuviPanda>	 Location: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[19:42:44] <guillom>	 Yes, I get enwp as well here (in the US, but with French language)
[19:43:01] * Ironholds nods
[19:43:04] <Ironholds>	 whelp.
[19:43:10] <Ironholds>	 Who do I talk to about that?
[19:43:13] <guillom>	 You could check from a different IP, but I'm not hopeful.
[19:43:32] <guillom>	 Ironholds: Someone from Reading, now, I guess?
[19:43:34] * Ironholds puts that in "the VERY FIRST THINGS SEARCH AND DISCOVERY SHOULD FIX"
[19:43:45] <guillom>	 Or that.
[19:43:55] <Ironholds>	 well, I was investigating as part of research into wiki.*\\.org usage, so it may be us
[19:44:07] <Ironholds>	 I really don't care where the patch comes from as long as it gets patched and people stop doing this stuff.
[19:48:49] <guillom>	 YuviPanda: That module and recipe work great. Thanks for the time saved :)
[19:49:26] <YuviPanda>	 guillom: \o/
[19:49:43] <YuviPanda>	 guillom: itertools is quite powerful :)
[19:49:53] <Ironholds>	 itertools is GREAT
[19:49:59] <Ironholds>	 it's like C++'s stdlib but slow
[19:50:00] <Ironholds>	 I mean uh
[19:50:02] * Ironholds whistles
[19:50:18] <guillom>	 Do not feed the Ironholds. Do not feed the Ironholds.
[19:50:48] <Ironholds>	 :D
[19:53:40] * guillom --> meeting.
[19:54:42] <YuviPanda>	 Ironholds: yurik is whom you want :)
[19:55:04] <Ironholds>	 yep, I saw!
[20:24:33] <ottomata>	 leila: yoohooooo
[20:43:54] <leila>	 ottomata: which one? ;-)
[20:44:23] <ottomata>	 haha, nm, ellery and i corresponded via email
[20:44:28] <ottomata>	 was gonna ask you if he was around
[20:49:54] <leila>	 ah! okay, ottomata. :-)
[21:02:35] <Ironholds>	 hey DarTar :)
[21:02:43] <DarTar>	 hello
[21:19:11] <Ironholds>	 how goes?
[22:00:45] <halfak_>	 Quiet day.  I've been writing javascript like a fiend. 
[22:04:07] <Ironholds>	 halfak, word
[22:05:00] <YuviPanda>	 tools.wmflabs.org/cdnjs exists now for people who want a CDN-ish way to include JS / CSS without violating the Wikimedia Privacy Policy
[22:05:34] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, I want this, but I don't grok the use of CDN's yet.  Where should I start?
[22:06:12] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: ours isn’t a real CDN, but basically - just go to the URL, click ‘use latest version’ for the library you want, and then include them directly in your <script src=“”> or <link href=“”>
[22:06:13] <YuviPanda>	 and that’s it
[22:06:34] <YuviPanda>	 tools.wmflabs.org/cdnjs is our index
[22:06:43] <halfak>	 Oh.  I see. 
[22:06:49] <YuviPanda>	 it automatically serves you appropriate cache headers, has CORS set, is redundant, etc
[22:07:10] <halfak>	 Umm.  Are there some nice libraries for interacting with CDNs? 
[22:07:20] <YuviPanda>	 you don’t need any libraries for interacting with CDNs...
[22:07:27] <YuviPanda>	 let’s say you want to use d3
[22:07:29] <halfak>	 E.g. something that would let me say: "Here's a CDN, solve my dependencies>"
[22:07:39] <YuviPanda>	 aaaah. no, sadly.
[22:07:41] <YuviPanda>	 those don’t exist.
[22:07:43] <halfak>	 Boo. 
[22:07:45] <YuviPanda>	 well, they kind of do
[22:07:53] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: bower is what you’re looking for
[22:07:53] * halfak was imagining using a CDN for that. 
[22:07:59] <YuviPanda>	 but be warned: It’s a fuckign nightmare.
[22:08:00] <halfak>	 bower + CDN?
[22:08:06] * halfak doesn't like nightmares. 
[22:08:08] <YuviPanda>	 just bower. it gives you dependencies locally
[22:08:10] <YuviPanda>	 can’t use a CDN
[22:08:18] <halfak>	 Lame
[22:08:19] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: well, if you don’t like nightmares you shouldn’t be doing frontend dev :P
[22:08:31] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, I know what you're saying. 
[22:08:37] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: it does do dependency management for frontend libs
[22:08:44] <YuviPanda>	 for some definition of ‘dependency’ and ‘management’ and ‘libs'
[22:08:45] <halfak>	 Luckily, I get to design for the 50% of users with up-to-date browsers. 
[22:08:46] <YuviPanda>	 and ‘do'
[22:08:48] <YuviPanda>	 :D
[22:19:39] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, what would I need to do to add something to this CDN?
[22:20:23] <guillom>	 Hey halfak :) I'm not sure you look at github notifications so I wanted to bring up https://github.com/halfak/mwrefs/issues/1 ; it's not a big deal, and not urgent at all. My regex-fu is too weak otherwise I would have made a pull request. 
[22:20:31] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: there are two ways. one is just to put something in a tool’s ‘www/static’ directory. the other is https://github.com/cdnjs/cdnjs#adding-a-new-or-updating-an-existing-library
[22:20:44] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: the latter is the preferred way since then the ‘upstream’ (cdnjs community) takes care of updates and what not
[22:20:54] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: what library do you want that’s not in there already?
[22:21:31] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, not sure.  I'm just thinking about a few libraries I'm using that aren't available on WP. 
[22:21:40] <halfak>	 I'd like to pull 'em for a gadget.  Would that work OK?
[22:21:45] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: you can yeah.
[22:22:09] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: for libraries that aren’t on the cdn but you would like to use for a gadget, you can use the first method, or just put them in a namespace and use action=raw...
[22:22:25] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, many of these would be on npm.  
[22:22:39] <halfak>	 I think there's only one where I can't find a good npm package. 
[22:22:45] <halfak>	 yaml parser :( 
[22:22:48] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: most things on npm should be on cdnjs
[22:23:02] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: I find js-yaml in the cdn
[22:23:17] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, didn't work out for me.  It's node only, it seems. 
[22:23:31] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, I might have done it wrong.  Not 100% sure. 
[22:23:50] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: https://github.com/nodeca/js-yaml#bundled-yaml-library-for-browsers suggests otherwise
[22:25:24] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, if that'll work, then great :) 
[22:25:33] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: :)
[22:25:35] <halfak>	 I'd rather pull from the CDN if I can :) 
[22:26:06] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, do you know if you can have ResourceLoader understand the CDN?
[22:26:16] <halfak>	 I'm not 100% clear on how RL works. 
[22:26:32] <YuviPanda>	 nope
[22:26:37] <halfak>	 kk.  
[22:26:39] <YuviPanda>	 RL is completely separate from all of these
[22:26:57] <halfak>	 Sure, but RL might understand URLs and do something reasonable. 
[22:27:07] <YuviPanda>	 there’s a way to load URLs if that’s what you want.
[22:27:15] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, It would be nice to specify all of my reqs in RL 
[22:27:55] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Modules#mw.loader.load
[22:27:58] <YuviPanda>	 err
[22:28:02] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: you need mw.loader.using
[22:28:06] <halfak>	 Yeah.  That's how I usually do debugging :) 
[22:28:07] <YuviPanda>	 and specify URLs to it
[22:28:29] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: you can’t register new modules in RL without a serverside extension
[22:28:46] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, gotcha.  
[22:28:50] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: there’s a Gadgets 2.0 that never went off the ground...
[22:28:53] <YuviPanda>	 needs people assigned to it
[22:29:04] <YuviPanda>	 the folks working on it on volunteer time were hired by WMF and put on other things :P
[22:29:27] * halfak grumbles
[22:33:38] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: :) let me know if there’s more that can be done to ease your pain, etc :)
[22:34:50] <halfak>	 YuviPanda, will do.  :)  I'm taking a trip through the whole Labs server/OAuth/Gadget pipeline with this recent work. 
[22:35:06] <halfak>	 I'll keep notes and do a writeup later. 
[22:37:53] * halfak goes to ride bikes
[22:37:57] <halfak>	 o/ back later
[22:38:00] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: +1
[22:38:03] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: cya!
[23:42:09] * halfak gets back from bike ride