[01:52:43] <guillom>	 leila: I'm interested in the survey so I subscribed to the ticket a few weeks ago. I just happened to see jhobs's notification a few minutes before you sent the message :)
[01:54:32] <leila>	 okay, this is better, guillom. :D
[01:54:58] <leila>	 thanks a lot! :-)
[01:55:29] <guillom>	 Anytime :)
[14:13:55] <halfak>	 o/
[14:14:11] <halfak>	 g'morning Ironholds
[14:14:14] <halfak>	 :) 
[14:14:41] <Ironholds>	 g'morning halfak !
[14:14:42] <Ironholds>	 how goes?
[14:15:15] <halfak>	 Not bad.  Trying to placate the russians. :) 
[14:19:32] <Ironholds>	 what's happened?
[14:20:34] <halfak>	 Oh.  They just want revscoring and they are impatient :) 
[14:32:23] <Ironholds>	 ahh
[14:41:16] <halfak>	 I just opened a file in a text editor and replaces all instances of "human" with "machine". 
[14:41:19] <halfak>	 mwahahahahaha
[14:41:24] <Ironholds>	 noooo!
[14:41:26] <Ironholds>	 BUT SKYNET
[14:41:29] <Ironholds>	 BUT SKYNET THOUGH
[14:41:29] <halfak>	 lool
[14:41:36] <Ironholds>	 that's how the world will end
[14:41:41] <Ironholds>	 not with a bang, but with a find-and-replace
[14:44:45] <halfak>	 sshhhh.  It's better this way.  The error terms in my mathematical equations are easier to deal with when we don't have all of that mushy diversity. 
[14:45:38] * halfak worries that this chat log will be cited at his trial during the human/AI wars of 2075.
[16:16:50] <guillom>	 o/
[16:22:03] <halfak>	 o/ guillom
[16:22:06] <halfak>	 Good morning :) 
[16:22:12] <guillom>	 Hello halfak. 
[16:22:16] <guillom>	 Yes, let's hope it is :)
[16:22:37] <halfak>	 I'll believe that it is until proven otherwise.  assume-good-morning :) 
[17:07:40] <guillom>	 heh :)
[17:11:41] <guillom>	 No agenda for the RG meeting, everybody gets an hour of their time back!
[17:11:50] <halfak>	 Hey J-Mo, would you be willing to set up an application-survey for the workshop?
[17:12:01] <halfak>	 Really?  No Agenda?
[17:12:26] <halfak>	 Huh.  Cool. 
[17:13:15] <J-Mo>	 halfak, what do you mean by application survey? 
[17:13:27] <halfak>	 Same as the workshop last year. 
[17:13:34] <halfak>	 You set up some survey software to serve as an application
[17:13:36] <J-Mo>	 oh, for the CSCW workshop!
[17:13:37] <J-Mo>	 of course.
[17:13:41] <halfak>	 Yeah.  Sorry
[17:13:45] <J-Mo>	 thought you meant the Design Research workshop next week ;)
[17:13:57] <J-Mo>	 yeah, I'll do that today.
[17:14:02] <halfak>	 So many workshops. 
[17:14:04] <halfak>	 Awesome. 
[17:14:53] <halfak>	 I think the only really important questions to ask are (1) demographics, (2) skill sets (e.g. programming, SQL, etc.) and (3) do you have a past CSCW study that has open data that you think we might replicate.
[17:14:57] <J-Mo>	 also, halfak: I will get the missing paragraphs filled in on last year's report very soon (maybe even today!). So when you send out an email to last years' attendants, inviting them to apply again this year, please drop the link to the Figshare!
[17:15:05] <J-Mo>	 sounds good
[17:15:16] <halfak>	 Will do. :) 
[17:29:12] <ragesoss>	 anybody have a csv of article ids of mainspace articles on English Wikipedia?
[17:29:16] <ragesoss>	 (like, all of them)
[17:29:42] <ragesoss>	 doesn't need to be super recent or super clean.
[17:31:03] <guillom>	 ragesoss: That should be trivial to do with Quarry.
[17:32:58] <guillom>	 ragesoss: Something like this? https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/6091
[17:33:31] <ragesoss>	 guillom: yeah. will that output to csv if I want?
[17:33:49] <guillom>	 Once it's done running, there are export options, including CSV IIRC.
[17:33:52] <ragesoss>	 I was going to do it on labs on the command line, just hoping to save myself a few minutes if someone had it handy.
[17:33:59] <ragesoss>	 oh, great.
[17:34:03] <ragesoss>	 thanks guillom!
[17:34:14] <guillom>	 I make no promises, mind You :)
[17:34:31] <ragesoss>	 that looks right to me.
[17:34:41] <ragesoss>	 I do try to avoid thinking about SQL when I can.
[17:34:54] <guillom>	 If you look at this example, there are "download options". https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/3954
[17:35:04] <guillom>	 "download data" sorry
[17:35:39] <guillom>	 Dunno if that'll work for 5 million entries.
[17:52:51] <ragesoss>	 hmm... still running. probably it will time out.
[17:53:17] <guillom>	 Labs CLI is the right way then.
[17:56:46] <ragesoss>	 that takes surprisingly long. I did it with LIMIT 20000 and it took maybe 20 seconds.
[17:57:05] <ragesoss>	 command line it is.
[17:57:13] <ragesoss>	 thanks again guillom.
[17:57:27] <guillom>	 np :)
[18:11:26] <DarTar>	 hey halfak, I was checking the lang support table for ORES, you said you haven’t pushed to prod the latest ones (per Staff announcement), correct?
[18:11:48] <halfak>	 Yeah.  I'm waiting to update prod with YuviPanda today
[18:12:04] <halfak>	 Once that is done, I'll update all the docs.  
[18:12:17] <halfak>	 I could create a table for you if you want something to copy-paste around. 
[18:12:19] <DarTar>	 got it, I was thinking we should have the most up-to-date lang support numbers in the blog post 
[18:12:22] <halfak>	 I wouldn't mind front-loading that. 
[18:12:30] <DarTar>	 no, the one on wiki is perfect
[18:12:44] <halfak>	 Yeah.  I put the numbers that will be correct as soon as we push to prod. 
[18:12:59] <halfak>	 Check out how long this list is: http://ores-staging.wmflabs.org/scores/
[18:13:04] <halfak>	 Makes me feel good. 
[18:13:07] <halfak>	 :D
[18:13:15] <DarTar>	 fabulous
[18:13:24] <halfak>	 I just pushed out labeling campaigns to Russian and Ukranian wikipedians
[18:13:34] <halfak>	 They have been pushing on me hard to get the campaign going :)
[18:40:27] <J-Mo>	 hey halfak: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Breaking_into_new_Data-Spaces/Application_survey
[18:40:54] <J-Mo>	 so far, this is just last years' survey, with a new title added. What other changes would you like to make?
[18:41:06] <halfak>	 -OCS terms
[18:41:13] <halfak>	 +Open Community datasets terms
[18:41:31] <J-Mo>	 task switching FTW!
[18:41:32] * halfak reads more
[18:41:51] <halfak>	 No lightning talks
[18:42:40] <J-Mo>	 got it
[18:42:42] <halfak>	 We'll need to notes on replication/extension potential to the "Suggest a dataset" section. 
[18:42:53] <halfak>	 Otherwise looks solid. 
[18:42:58] <halfak>	 Want me to take a pass?
[18:43:05] <J-Mo>	 sure!
[18:43:21] <J-Mo>	 once you're happy with it, I can copy it back to Qualtrics.
[18:44:48] <halfak>	 OK.  Working on that now
[18:45:01] <J-Mo>	 halfak: only thing I can think of, should we break "What tools, skills, or perspectives will you bring to this workshop?" into several questions? I'm thinking it might be particularly important to understand what programming and data analysis tools people are familiar with. 
[18:45:16] <halfak>	 +1
[18:45:52] <J-Mo>	 and, change all instances of "Open Collaboration" to "Open Online Community"
[18:51:33] <YuviPanda>	 halfak: hi! I've an interview now, I'll look back in an hour and we can deploy?
[18:51:48] <halfak>	 Sounds good. 
[18:51:51] <halfak>	 Thanks YuviPanda 
[18:55:45] <halfak>	 J-Mo, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Breaking_into_new_Data-Spaces/Application_survey
[18:56:12] <halfak>	 I didn't split #9 into multiple questions, but I'm a fan of the idea if you can think of more you'd like to ask or a nice way to split it up?
[18:56:16] <halfak>	 -?
[18:57:28] <J-Mo>	 I think we can just split it up into two open text fields: "what background do you have?" "what tools/programming languages/frameworks?"
[18:57:37] <J-Mo>	 otherwise, this looks good to me. 
[19:14:18] <J-Mo>	 survey's live w/ changes, halfak. I emailed the link to our thread.
[19:14:49] <halfak>	 Awesome!  Thanks J-Mo
[20:33:19] <leila>	 DarTar: we will stop the survey Monday morning and want to finish the handcoding on that day. Shall I use your focus time for that? I'm getting availability from Bob and Ellery, too, and morning may not work eventually, but thought to check with you.
[20:33:44] <DarTar>	 sure thing
[20:34:02] <DarTar>	 happy to be defocused ;) 
[20:34:33] <leila>	 I mean, it can be considered focused. :D
[20:34:39] <leila>	 okay, cool. thanks, DarTar.
[20:34:56] * YuviPanda finished up another interview!
[20:35:17] <DarTar>	 yes, this is exactly the kind of usage of those slots that I want to encourage
[20:35:28] <leila>	 uhun. 
[20:35:51] <leila>	 btw, DarTar, I think it makes sense to stop the Desktop test on Monday and launch a mobile test for some days starting Monday.
[20:35:52] <DarTar>	 thanks his Yuviness
[20:36:15] <DarTar>	 oh I didn’t know we were considering mobile at all 
[20:36:15] <leila>	 The responses form mobile users can be quite different, and we are not getting spam responses so far at all, which is amazing!
[20:36:25] <DarTar>	 agreed, but is the feature ready for that?
[20:36:39] <leila>	 yeah, the feature is ready, DarTar
[20:36:43] <DarTar>	 nice
[20:37:05] <DarTar>	 alright, off to grab some food, ttyl
[20:37:18] <leila>	 I'm even inclined to run it in 1-2 more languages. 
[22:03:02] <lzia>	 hi J-Mo. 
[22:03:17] <lzia>	 I just added you to a long meeting on Monday. You don't have to stay for the whole meeting. 
[22:03:55] <lzia>	 We want to handcode responses for the reader survey, and you offered a while back to herd us to kickstart that process since you have expertise there. It would be great if you can join us for the first hour or so, J-Mo.
[22:04:23] <J-Mo>	 yeah, absolutely. I'd love to help.
[22:04:31] <lzia>	 thank YOU! :-)
[22:04:59] <J-Mo>	 grant me access to the data, lzia?
[22:05:28] <lzia>	 ow yeah ;-)
[22:06:06] <lzia>	 J-Mo: done. Just bear in mind that it has started this morning, so it will take a while until more responses come in. We are sampling 5 out of 100K to make sure we cover the weekend.
[22:06:45] <J-Mo>	 sounds good. the responses look really interesting!
[22:25:44] <halfak>	 DarTar, all updated: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Objective_Revision_Evaluation_Service
[22:25:45] <halfak>	 :) 
[22:26:06] <halfak>	 I'm going to need to figure out how to squash that table.  It's getting too tall!
[22:51:05] <DarTar>	 nice, halfak 
[22:51:49] <DarTar>	 J-Mo: leila cracked the code to get 0% of garbage responses from a microsurvey
[22:52:27] <J-Mo>	 yeah, I've seen the results. pretty impressive!
[22:53:05] <J-Mo>	 I'd like to think my suggested question-framing helped… but I guess there's not enough data for me to brag ;)
[22:53:41] <J-Mo>	 but now I want to A/B test the hell out of this… wouldn't that be fun?
[23:07:43] <halfak>	 A/B test everything