[00:04:50] * guillom summons J-Mo. [00:05:31] I have praise to deliver. [00:08:00] * halfak waits for J-Mo to arrive [00:08:36] Also in prep for answering J-Mo's questions, let me just consult my public work-logs :D [00:08:37] * Emufarmers prepares celebratory banners and confetti. [00:08:43] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors [00:10:45] Aha! This summarizes it well: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/Work_log/2015-05-07 [00:10:51] That was my final test of the logging system. [00:11:15] I describe going through various editing operations and report what appears in the logs. [00:21:45] guillom: can you deliver my praise to J-Mo too? [00:22:02] halfak: I'll also say that ORES / RevScoring falls under at least similar circumstances as TeaHose [00:22:04] *House [00:22:13] so much moonlighting [00:22:19] * YuviPanda converts everyone into werewolves [00:34:18] YuviPanda, yeah. That's a good point. [00:34:43] You think I should add it to the thread? [09:15:32] halfak: https://gitlab.oit.duke.edu/mccahill/jupyter-mysql-notebook/tree/master/src/mysql-notebook/ipython-sql <3 [09:15:46] I feel like I should get jupyterhub up and running immediately after getting k8s setup [13:35:51] +1 YuviPanda [13:36:10] I need to figure out a good way to incorporate that into my research workflow. :) [15:39:37] hey halfak_ do you have a minute to hang out sometime in the next hour? I need to sanity check a claim with you. [15:39:46] should only take 10 minutes, for realz [15:39:56] Regretfully, I don't. Can read IRC scrollback [15:40:02] In meeting for the next 1.5 hours [15:40:12] np. I'll summarize [15:45:43] halfak: the March-May 2015 VE usability tests found that 4/16 new (or "casual") contributors had trouble finding the save button when they intended to complete an edit. Your VE A/B test, conducted around the same time, showed that VE newbies took longer to save their edit sessions, but with no loss of productivity. Do you think that it's fair to propose that the findability of "Save" in VE could partially explain your result? Is it plausible [15:46:25] I'm going to use this as a kind of illustrative/'straw man' example in a slide, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't completely talking out of my ass. I don't plan on making strong claims about it, though. [15:57:26] J-Mo, yes. This sounds reasonable. I took my measurements between the "init" events and the "saveAttempt" event that roughly corresponds to when the user clicked "save". [15:57:55] sweet. thanks halfak_ [15:58:14] J-Mo, I think another good hypothesis is the "still reading" hypothesis. [15:58:44] The idea is that a use clicks edit, fixes a typo or whatever and then keeps reading the page within the edit interface. [15:58:51] this seems much more likely with VE than with WT [16:00:01] Regretfully, these will both look similar in the quantitative analysis. [16:00:37] Qualitative work, eye tracking in a lab, or maybe surveys are necessary to differentiate the two. [16:02:34] yep. That's the argument I'm trying to make. Copying this into my 'notes' ;) [16:02:51] :D [16:02:53] o/ [16:02:56] o/ guillom [16:17:24] \o/ https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/commit/244cd5644b44f43722530379138bd7bb9cbace9b [17:59:53] ggellerman: kudos on the presentation. And bonus points from me for 1. Pronouncing French words perfectly and 2. Showing my old SF apartment :) [18:22:40] stalker empowering? :) [18:23:08] Nemo_bis: She showed several possibilities ;) [18:23:20] You should have denied them all! [18:23:52] * guillom goes back to the closed-laptop workshop. [18:36:33] o/ abbey [18:36:41] I just joined up with the workshop [18:36:55] Where's the right backchannel? [18:37:00] J-Mo, ^ [18:37:35] o/ leila [18:37:38] AT the workshop? [18:37:42] *design workshop? [18:38:19] hi halfak. I'm watching this backchannel. You can also join the hangout (I don't THINK it's filled up yet). Want the link [18:38:20] ? [18:38:38] No. I've got it. I'll hop in. [18:38:39] also, notes questions can go here: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/DRworkshopParkingLot [18:38:44] Thanks [18:38:49] (we may have overdone it on backchannels) [18:39:28] Vandal is not smiling [18:39:41] Should have trollface [18:39:46] serious vandal is serious [18:39:50] :D [18:39:52] :| [18:39:54] is trollface copyrighted? I think it is. [18:40:05] That seems appropriate somehow [18:40:09] right? [18:40:30] wow: http://kotaku.com/the-maker-of-the-trollface-meme-is-counting-his-money-1696228810 [18:47:50] Youtube stream shows weird changing colors for some reason. Design research hangout. [18:48:04] Audio is good. [18:48:10] Only 8 people in the hangout now [18:48:30] Oops, sorry. stream* [18:53:12] J-Mo, any docs on meta right now? [18:54:02] for persona stuff. I'll check… if anywhere, it's on mediawiki.org. and it's certainly not ENOUGH docs. [18:54:17] I'll add it to the team's next weekly meeting agenda :) [18:55:22] halfak: sorry. no. was in a meeting with Bob. now out. [18:55:33] Gotcha. no worries. [18:55:47] Was grabbing at straws. Sorry for the ping. [18:55:52] I'll watch the workshop videos later tonight, I couldn't make it. :-( [18:56:08] no worries, halfak. how would you know where I am? [18:56:10] :D [18:56:15] enjoy the workshop then. [18:56:42] :D [18:57:05] My eyes are like radar. I ping people and sometimes they ping back and tell me where they are. :D [18:57:18] J-Mo, the questions mic is kinda cutting out. [18:57:21] Oh. you're up [18:57:23] n/m [18:57:26] have fun :D [18:58:02] halfak: looks cool [18:58:27] o/ Guerillero :D [19:06:40] Hey! J-Mo [19:07:31] I do some subject recruitment support too! [19:11:38] are you offering your services, halfak? [19:11:56] Yup :) [19:12:22] Re. contacting editors who have not opt-ed in, I think I have a lot of support to give. [19:14:11] FYI: Streamers, we are pausing to try to fix it. [19:22:34] hi folks! New youtube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YJFR0VW3SI [19:22:46] new hangout: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/fv7go4f2dkvk6letgwzkvrn7vma [19:23:27] spreadsheet we'll be consulting for upcoming activity: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fr16V9olzNslw2zDMoTSl9XdWNb7jYNa1lq7NGUp_ek/edit#gid=0 [19:26:12] J-Mo: The spreadsheet seems read-only. Is that intentional? [19:27:02] (And if it is, please fix "INSERT WHERE YOUR EXPERTISE FIT WITHIN THESE PHASES" --> "fits" :) [19:27:29] I just made it read-only… let me fix that typo, and then see if I can adjust permissions. [19:28:25] <-- uncurable Wikipedian. [19:28:32] Thanks :) [19:28:46] np. I may have just inadvertently kicked non-WMF people out, though. [19:28:50] hmmm [19:36:12] halfak: For this exercise I'm considering that I'm part of Research & Data, since that's closest to what I do. So I'm filling in a few things. Edit boldly. [19:36:24] +1 [19:50:01] halfak: Looks good to me now. [19:50:15] +1 [19:50:26] I'm not sure I did it right, but it'll be fodder for conversation. [19:51:09] yeah [19:53:57] I wonder where DarTar went [19:54:48] guillom, want to go up? [19:55:26] halfak: I don't necessarily /want/ to, but I can if needed. [19:55:33] You'll be better at this :) [19:56:10] OK. I'll try :D [19:56:22] DarTar left before the food. He's doing this all wrong! [20:05:19] halfak: I kind of want to copy/paste "Document on Meta" in every cell of every row :D [20:05:34] guillom, lol [20:05:37] yes [20:05:39] :D [20:05:48] no flow on meta though :( [20:05:53] halfak: I'll call on you when R&D is up? [20:05:56] * YuviPanda links 'discuss' from Quarry to a flow page on mw.org [20:05:56] Yes [20:05:58] perf [20:06:12] YuviPanda: Not yet. We'll convince them at some point to at least let us use it in Research talk: [20:06:15] * halfak wants meta-flow [20:06:43] Document on Meta (And use crappy talk pages) [20:06:48] * J-Mo thinks guillom's hope springeth eternal [20:06:59] * J-Mo is glad for that [20:07:01] heh [20:08:07] I should make a motivational poster that says "DOCUMENT ON META". [20:08:20] :D [20:08:28] Shirts for the allstaff [20:08:38] (Or ask a less graphically-impared person to make one.) [20:08:42] impaired* [20:08:50] * halfak imagines monospaces text [20:09:06] everyone likes monospace, right [20:09:19] ^ [20:09:26] only with the right monospace font though! [20:09:40] monaco vs inconsolata vs consolas: fight! [20:10:56] Latin Modern Mono. [20:20:18] really well done, halfak [20:20:24] Thanks :D [20:20:59] I think we will win the rest of the DR team over to the MetaDocumentation Cabal yet [20:21:31] Resistance is futile. You will be documented. [20:23:49] the revolution WILL be documented on Meta [20:25:21] and then uncommented-on because 'ugh, talk pages' [20:27:24] OK. So this is WP:CANVASS, but I want to get all of our collaborators to comment on the next RFC. [20:27:45] Lesson learning. Have a CANVASSING strategy. [20:28:06] We can be fair by contacting everyone who has edited a project on Meta. [21:12:37] It's only evil if you try to get them to adopt a certain side [21:13:02] Getting people who would conceivably be interested in a thing to comment on it is legitimate.