[17:22:26] <DarTar>	 Good morning/afternoon people, our showcase starts in an hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa0Ztv2iF4w
[17:22:38] <DarTar>	 J-Mo will be hosting here
[17:23:02] * J-Mo waves
[17:23:26] <Nettrom>	 o/
[17:23:47] <DarTar>	 J-Mo: is there an IRC channel for structured data?
[17:23:49] <DarTar>	 hey Nettrom 
[17:24:22] <J-Mo>	 DarTar: not that I know of
[17:24:56] <J-Mo>	 I sent the info about the showcase to wikidata-l and the WMF structured data on commons internal list
[17:25:30] <DarTar>	 cool 
[17:25:43] <DarTar>	 posting the link on IRC in a bunch of places
[18:00:11] <DarTar>	 J-Mo: I asked bearloga to give us an overview of their work in progress on search relevance assessment methods they are using, make sure to attend Research Group
[18:08:27] <J-Mo>	 nice. I'll be there
[18:20:13] <DarTar_clone>	 hey Andrew
[18:20:17] <Andrew>	 hello!
[18:20:24] <DarTar_clone>	 J-Mo: just sent you an invite ot the hangout
[18:20:27] <DarTar_clone>	 can you join?
[18:21:35] <J-Mo>	 DarTar: finishing another meeting. there in less than 10
[18:21:45] <J-Mo>	 arg, there in 3
[18:22:11] <DarTar_clone>	 cool
[18:25:54] <J-Mo>	 hey halfak, I don't have the commands memorized for changing the channel topic. could you do it/remind me?
[18:26:31] <subbu>	 J-Mo, /topic 
[18:29:01] <J-Mo>	 I am not a channel op. Could someone who is a channel op make this topic change? "/topic August 2017 Research Showcase | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase#August_2017 | YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa0Ztv2iF4w"
[18:32:06] <J-Mo>	 hi everyone! we're starting the showcase in less than a minute. YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa0Ztv2iF4w
[18:32:41] <pigsonthewing>	 Good evening!
[18:33:04] <J-Mo>	 there we go. thanks subbu
[18:33:19] <J-Mo>	 showcase just began. youtube stream may be a bit delayed
[18:33:30] <subbu>	 J-Mo, yw
[18:33:51] <subbu>	 remember to de-op yourself after :)
[18:34:24] <DarTar_clone>	 thx subbu 
[18:39:35] <J-Mo>	 just a reminder for anyone who arrived recently: I'll be relaying any questions to the presenters. Ping me in your question to make sure I see it ;)
[18:43:54] <DarTar_clone>	 interesting point about platforms with “newcomer only” spaces
[18:44:25] <DarTar_clone>	 I don’t think anything like this has ever been tried on WIkipedia (at least the language editions I am most familiar with)
[18:44:41] <J-Mo>	 aside: heatherw and Jake Orlowitz designed TWA. I "consulted" ;)
[18:44:56] * heatherw waves
[18:45:05] <J-Mo>	 \o
[18:45:08] <DarTar_clone>	 yo heatherw 
[18:45:16] <heatherw>	 A clone!
[18:45:29] <DarTar_clone>	 fake news
[18:45:33] <heatherw>	 :)
[18:48:52] <GLCiampaglia>	 Fake news? Where? ;-)
[18:53:50] <DarTar_clone>	 hey GLCiampaglia 
[18:54:28] <DarTar_clone>	 do you have a trigger for those keywords? You should watch Sneha’s talk if you aren’t already, very relevant to MoodBar work
[18:56:51] <J-Mo>	 reminder: I'll be relaying any questions to the presenters. Ping me in your question to make sure I see it!
[18:58:16] <harej>	 Hypothesis: training is only part of the battle.
[18:58:31] <GLCiampaglia>	 LoL, of course I do. I am watching Sneha's talk. Interesting they didn't find a result, but not surprised. In the MoodBar study we measured the number of contributions too, and couldn't find an effect. But retention at 180d did show a signal. 
[18:59:05] <pigsonthewing>	 @J-Mo Q: Why exclude from the survey users who have been blocked or Level-4 warned?
[18:59:40] <J-Mo>	 I can answer that myself, actually: because we didn't want to be accused of encouraging vandals
[19:00:28] <J-Mo>	 I use the same criteria for sending Teahouse invites
[19:00:45] <pigsonthewing>	 Thank you. Big presumton there! I've seen new, good-faith users warned or summarily blocked.
[19:01:04] <DarTar_clone>	 J-Mo: I think we could take 1 short question here and move the rest to the end after Andrew’s talk
[19:01:28] <GLCiampaglia>	 Audio is choppy on YT here...
[19:01:32] <J-Mo>	 I have too. If it were up to me, I would send the invites anyway. But there was concern expressed by patrollers, so I implemented the filter.
[19:01:36] <DarTar_clone>	 here too :-/
[19:01:43] <pigsonthewing>	 Personaly, I'd be inclined to look at /why/ they were warned or blocked, and their subsequent actions (if time allowed)
[19:01:53] <J-Mo>	 DarTar_clone: we have one unanswered question so far (from YouTube)
[19:02:01] <Andrew>	 have others heard small hiccups in the audio? trying to figure out if it's sneha's connection or mine...
[19:02:03] <pigsonthewing>	 [audio choppy here, too]
[19:02:04] <DarTar_clone>	 okay
[19:02:20] <GLCiampaglia>	 J-Mo: can you please ask whether they looked at retention too? 
[19:03:02] <pigsonthewing>	 *appaluse* & thank you, Sneha
[19:03:15] <J-Mo>	 GLCiampaglia: I can ask that if we have time at the end, or answer you here in IRC
[19:03:25] <DarTar_clone>	 Andrew I suspect the audio issue is on Sneha’s end
[19:03:32] <GLCiampaglia>	 Tnx J-Mo
[19:03:46] <DarTar_clone>	 J-Mo: let’s do this after Andrew’s talk
[19:03:52] <DarTar_clone>	 thanks :) 
[19:03:56] <J-Mo>	 what measure of retention are you asking about? e.g. has-edit-in-time-period or num-edits-in-time-period?
[19:04:00] <GLCiampaglia>	 I am sticking around because I am interested in Andrew's talk too :)
[19:05:21] <J-Mo>	 Second talk is beginning now! Andrew Su is talking about Gene Wiki
[19:05:32] <leila>	 DarTar_clone: can he plug his headphone in and out?
[19:06:24] <DarTar_clone>	 leila: working fine for me now
[19:06:35] <leila>	 DarTar_clone: yeah, got fixed after the change he did on his end.
[19:06:45] <DarTar_clone>	 cool
[19:13:26] <leila>	 subbu: are you watching research showcase? it's relevant to our discussion on semantic wikitext.
[19:14:03] <leila>	 if you're not, do watch it later (second part is what I'm referring to here)
[19:19:21] * DarTar_clone adds himself to the question queue for Andrew, J-Mo
[19:19:33] <J-Mo>	 got it DarTar_clone
[19:22:36] <harej>	 Andrew: !!!
[19:28:39] <subbu>	 leila, i stepped out for the second part .. but will pick it up
[19:29:01] <leila>	 uhu, subbu.
[19:29:44] <GLCiampaglia>	 J-Mo did you see my question?
[19:30:12] <GLCiampaglia>	 Not sure if the /notice cmd
[19:30:21] <J-Mo>	 GLCiampaglia: "why didn't they measure retention"
[19:30:25] <J-Mo>	 is that right?
[19:30:35] <GLCiampaglia>	 I also have one for Andrew
[19:30:35] <J-Mo>	 I asked a follow up: what do you mean by retention?
[19:30:40] <J-Mo>	 didn't see that. ask again?
[19:30:49] <GLCiampaglia>	 I guess it didn't got through, was meddling with IRC commands :)
[19:30:58] <GLCiampaglia>	 The question is: besides search, could one mine this network of concepts to discover new facts about genes and other entities?
[19:31:08] <J-Mo>	 got it GLCiampaglia
[19:31:29] <GLCiampaglia>	 Tnx! Btw, what command do I need to use to do the pings?
[19:34:31] <J-Mo>	 just type my username
[19:34:42] <J-Mo>	 GLCiampaglia
[19:35:01] <GLCiampaglia>	 @J-Mo got it, thanks! 
[19:38:49] <dsaez>	 bye!
[19:38:54] <pigsonthewing>	 Thanks all - two intersting talks. Good to see pracical outcomes of things we worked on four/ five eyars ago.
[19:38:58] <J-Mo>	 thanks everybody! btw, link to the research paper on the Wikipedia Adventure: https://mako.cc/academic/narayan_etal-the_wikipedia_adventure-cscw2017.pdf
[19:38:59] <DarTar_clone>	 thanks a lot andrew and sneha
[19:39:09] <GLCiampaglia>	 Thanks J-Mo and DarTar_clone and the speakers!
[19:39:11] <pigsonthewing>	 years
[19:39:18] * leila claps
[19:39:26] <Andrew>	 thanks everyone! it was fun....
[19:39:34] <Nettrom>	 thanks everyone, great presentations!
[19:39:48] <sneha_>	  Thanks for having us! It was fun to share work with the community
[19:40:20] <Andrew>	 fyi will post my slides in slideshare later today in case anyone wants them... slideshare.net/andrewsu
[19:40:49] <GLCiampaglia>	 sneha_ btw I recommend looking into the MoodBar paper, we did find an effect for retention at 180 days. But your point about attribution is well taken.
[19:41:40] <sneha_>	 Awesome, I'll check it out!
[19:42:15] <DarTar_clone>	 lunchtime here, ttyl folks