[15:27:00] hey folks [15:27:08] question for documentation of metrics [15:27:45] so wikistats 2 is trying to link to metric definitions. More modern metrics like Pageviews, Uniques, Newly Registered Users, etc. already have pages like this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newly_registered_user [15:28:19] but now we are mixing old metrics like Editors, Edits, New Pages, etc. [15:28:42] (https://stats.wikimedia.org/v2/#/es.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits) [15:29:29] so what should we do, should I make a new Research:Wikistats_metrics landing page and add them under there? [16:35:39] lzia / HaeB / halfak: any opinions on the above ^? [16:36:48] milimetric, +1 for making pages for old metrics. I think there's some documentation in MediaWiki for old wikistats that you could crib from. [16:37:56] Maybe "Legacy metrics" would be a better term. [16:38:16] cool, and any preference on how they should stand side by side with your pages, halfak? Like, should I call them all Research:Wikistats_editors, Wikistats_edits, etc. or like Research:Wikistats/editors, or something else? [16:38:32] Research:Legacy_metrics/Editors? [16:38:51] milimetric, no strong opinion there. I suppose there's some terminology overlap. [16:38:53] but they're not really legacy 'cause we're measuring them going forward [16:39:25] milimetric, don't we continue to do legacy things all the time? [16:39:27] k, I'll see if others want to chime in and I'll be bold by the end of the day [16:39:32] :) [16:39:44] adj: denoting software or hardware that has been superseded but is difficult to replace because of its wide use. [16:40:02] Sounds spot on to me. :) [16:40:41] For naming overlap, one option is to use the "Name (specificity)" pattern. [16:40:51] E.g. "Active editors (legacy wikistats)" [16:41:16] makes sense, I've seen that before [16:41:52] Then in 10 years, we can move all of the pages we have now to "Active editors (2013 standardization)" or something like that. [16:42:28] * halfak looks forward to such a future where we have disambiguation pages for metrics :) [16:45:33] looking over the names, some overlap and some don't, so the parenthesis option should be always there if it's to be useful, in which case it might be better to just make it a prefix [16:45:51] because it's not Active Editors, it's just called "Editors" now and we have different activity levels measured [16:46:13] it doesn't overlap with any new metric name, but it's also too generic to leave unqualified [16:48:21] * lzia catches up with the thread [16:53:22] milimetric: I like creating Research:Wikistats_metrics as a page where you capture /all/ metrics definitions. For the more recent ones where we have dedicated pages, we can simply link from Wikistats_metrics. It's good to have one place where the user can go and get all the information. [17:36:51] milimetric: what's wrong with continuing to link to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions for now? (like wikistats did before) [17:38:05] HaeB, we should move all of the research namespace to Mediawiki.org :) [17:38:14] That'd be great [17:38:27] and regarding the definitions for editors/edits, recall that these are owned by the contributors team now, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Audiences#Contributors and neilpquinn's definition page linked there [17:39:25] HaeB, define "owned" [17:42:27] Woops. Need to step away. Will catch up later [18:10:15] HaeB: my main motivation is user experience [18:10:30] people are going to click through the definition links and I would prefer they don't end up in totally different places [18:11:09] so I definitely don't have or want a say in whether we move everything on mediawiki.org, and who owns the definitions [18:11:27] but I do want to help standardize all definitions in one place [18:11:52] it seems like meta.../wiki/Research: is the most convenient place right now, no? [18:30:15] milimetric: well, the current user experience of having no definition link at all is surely inferior to having an informative link to a page that happens to live on mediawiki.org instead of meta ;) [18:30:46] that said, no objection in case someone wants to take care of moving the relevant information of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions to suitable places on meta [18:31:27] HaeB: yeah, it's just that on wikistats v1 all the pages link to Metric_definition, and on v2, we have some new Standard Metrics, so it's more complicated. [18:31:43] I will move all the stuff to meta, and then if we want we can move the whole Research: namespace to mediawiki [18:31:48] but I'll leave that up to yall [18:32:16] (just avoid removing that information altogether without a suitable replacement, as someone tried to do earlier, which was reasonable reverted https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Analytics/Metric_definitions&diff=2221520&oldid=2217643 ) [18:51:04] definitely, I'll just add a note that the information is now being maintained in a new place