[16:16:37] 10Quarry, 10Patch-For-Review: Upgrade Quarry to python 3 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192698 (10zhuyifei1999) @Framawiki Can I play with your `quarry-frama-test-py3-*` instances? (ssh in, install packages, git fetch & checkout, restart services) Kinda lazy to rebuild all these instances. [16:48:27] 10Quarry, 10Patch-For-Review: Upgrade Quarry to python 3 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192698 (10Framawiki) Hello @zhuyifei1999, these old instances have really been draft :) you'd better create them again. We still have to work on the dependencies and update puppet with this. [[ https://wikitech.wikime... [17:17:49] bmansurov: hi. you around? [17:43:50] leila: yeah [17:54:33] 10Quarry, 10Patch-For-Review: Upgrade Quarry to python 3 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192698 (10zhuyifei1999) >>! In T192698#4492188, @Framawiki wrote: > Hello @zhuyifei1999, these old instances have really been draft :) you'd better create them again. Ok sure. >>! In T192698#4492188, @Framawiki wrot... [17:54:38] bmansurov: re https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research_talk:Voice_and_exit_in_a_voluntary_work_environment/Elicit_new_editor_interests&type=revision&diff=18285597&oldid=18285594&diffmode=source I need to understand what you're doing better. :) [17:54:54] bmansurov: is it the case that you only send emails to users who have Email this user feature enabled? [17:55:52] leila: yes, that's right [17:56:09] bmansurov: ok. it is safe to assume that new users won't be able to figure out how to enable that feature on their own. For them, this is primarily happening when they confirm their email address. So, essentially, the usernames you've been contacting are those that quickly after registering an account confirm their email address (via the email that is sent to them automatically) [17:56:16] 10Quarry, 10Patch-For-Review: Upgrade Quarry to python 3 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192698 (10zhuyifei1999) Umm. the quota on the # of instances can't let me create more instances... Can I delete them? [17:57:18] leila: probably, depends on the user. I need to double check this, but I think even after confirming your email, you have to enable the feature in the preferences. [17:57:46] bmansurov: my questions is: when you check the system today to see who you can send an email to, do you consider those who have registered since Sunday and have their Email this user feature enabled, or only those who have registered in the past 24 hours? If you do the former, you will start gradually catching users who confirm in the days following account registration which is good. [17:58:12] bmansurov: no. I checked this yesterday (and the email says it clearly). If you confirm your email, the feature gets automatically enabled. [17:58:48] leila: yes, I'll consider everyone registered since Sunday and made their first edit in the last four days. [17:58:53] Tomorrow will be the same [17:59:11] leila: ok, I see [17:59:31] bmansurov: I see. then it's all good. [17:59:52] leila: no need to check the date/time they confirmed their email, right? [18:00:23] bmansurov: correct. no need for that now. [18:00:36] leila: got it [18:01:27] bmansurov: it is surprising that so few people (that do one edit) confirm their email address. [18:02:08] leila: why should they if they can edit without confirming? [18:02:35] leila: to me, people who confirm their addresses are the ones who want to stick around longer. [18:03:08] bmansurov: it's standard practice for many websites, so I would expect people to automatically do it. I also see tempting features offered as part of the email confirmation process. ;) [18:03:24] makes sense [18:04:00] bmansurov: I see what you say, but why do they even open an account at all if they don't want to stick around necessarily? (I doubt 80% of your pool is doing that because they don't want their IP address to be registered.) [18:04:18] probably [18:04:55] "let me register... oh i can edit without confirming! why did I even register." [18:05:07] :D [18:05:18] that can totally be the pattern. [20:50:33] leila: what's a good place to capture the recruitment strategy: that users are set to receive emails upon confirming their email address? [22:18:27] bmansurov: I would say making step 2 in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Voice_and_exit_in_a_voluntary_work_environment/Elicit_new_editor_interests#Online_Experiment more specific can help. What do you think? [22:24:10] bmansurov: I'm gonna go to the library. I will be offline for 20 min or so, will be around after that in case you have questions. [23:07:12] lzia: got it. I added to the "Stats and study condition" for now. [23:12:02] thank you! [23:12:08] bmansurov: thanks. [23:52:57] np