[17:12:33] bmansurov: I'm reading up https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Allow_the_creation_of_links_to_redirects_in_Wikidata . Do you have a sense if this is already planned to be implemented? [17:14:04] bmansurov: it won't address the problem of entity matching fully, but it's good to know if we are at least partially covered with change. [17:15:34] * andrewbogott waves [17:15:39] bmansurov: unrelated, andrewbogott is asking if "wmf-research-tools" is ours? [17:15:44] * leila waves back at andrewbogott [17:17:07] I'm moving a bunch of cloud projects to our new region, and I must've overlooked wmf-research-tools so it didn't get on the calendar. In theory I'd like to move it today, but I'll only do it if y'all can cope with downtime and someone is around to deal with possible changes. [17:17:12] If not I'll plan it for next week. [17:33:22] andrewbogott: yes, today is fine. [17:34:03] leila: that link you pasted didn't seem to be implemented. I tried adding a link to en:Tumor to wikidata:Tumor, but it didn't work [17:34:14] bmansurov: great! I will start migrating them in a few minutes; will notify you when I'm done. The hosts are 'diegoTest' and 'wikilabels'. [17:34:27] andrewbogott: ok, thanks [17:34:41] leila: the redirect is being resolved to en:Neoplasm. [17:37:10] leila: judging by the talk page, looks like it won't be implemented any time soon. [17:38:00] bmansurov: re the RFC, is it worth if I check on the public list of wikidata? [17:38:15] leila: sure [17:38:40] bmansurov: I did one pass over https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mvSr7ECy9g-j-WAgq9HJBrUJ91K2Gt0IGm74tiacgp8/edit# and left some comments/questions for you under 1f. [17:38:45] Please check and let me know, there or here. [17:38:50] leila: ok thanks [17:52:59] leila: replied to your comments on gdoc [17:53:12] bmansurov: yup. going through them now. [17:58:27] bmansurov: question about computational needs for synonym detection in 1f. Will you be resolving missing articles for each pair of language? or will you first be building a layer on top of Wikidata which includes items and then expand the "Wikipedia" section of these items in Wikidata? The latter approach will be more systematic, and can help us in other efforts as well, but computationally may be heavier. [17:59:33] bmansurov: the advantage of the latter approach is that we can create a merge suggestion API and expose it to the community. [17:59:53] leila: I was thinking of doing it for pairs of languages. The reason is that some wikis have two articles for Tumor and Neoplasm, while others don't. [18:01:03] * leila thinks [18:01:36] leila: apparently, some wikis such as es and ko think these two articles are two different concepts, thus I'm not sure how useful our merge suggestion will be for them. [18:03:33] bmansurov: yeah. I see the point. they can, of course, always reject the suggestion to merge. My concern is that many of the other types of merges are simply invisible to editors and by not going at the item level, we won't be addressing those. [18:03:35] * leila thinks. [18:04:18] I see, maybe we should tackle the problem at hand and come back to this and other issues later? [18:04:44] bmansurov: it can be, it depends on how much time it will take you to implement this current approach. [18:05:10] if it's weeks, we should make sure we think through the bigger item as well. if it's days, perhaps it's fine to handle the current one first, and then come back to the bigger one. [18:06:03] bmansurov: all done, those VMs should be back up and running. [18:06:09] They have new IPs, should otherwise act the same [18:07:02] leila: testing the approach shouldn't take weeks [18:07:07] maybe a couple of days [18:07:33] andrewbogott: thanks. Looks like I need to re-attach domains to new IPs? [18:07:35] bmansurov: then go for it. [18:07:40] ok [18:07:51] bmansurov: it depends on where the dns is set up. [18:08:03] If everything was done in Horizon it should just work. Do you have an example? [18:08:36] andrewbogott: yes, everything was done in Horizon. Here's an example: https://research-wikilabels.wmflabs.org/ [18:09:08] I would guess that that's your services not auto-starting after a system reboot. I'd check that first. [18:09:20] andrewbogott: ok got it [18:09:52] andrewbogott: you're right, I forgot the service was running in a screen session. [18:10:19] that should be easy to fix :) [18:10:36] yep, done