[20:10:41] bmansurov: can the page automatically redirect? [20:11:36] leila: it can (if not disabled by the web browser) [20:11:53] bmansurov: can we go with the auto-redirect option, please? [20:12:12] leila: ok, i'll submit a patch [20:12:15] thanks [20:16:40] leila: the change will show up in about 30 mins [20:16:44] or less [20:26:25] bmansurov: thanks. reviewing the emails. We should be ready by 13:15 PT the latest [20:49:53] leila: auto-redirect is working [21:00:12] bmansurov: do we capture on meta who will receive the emails? [21:00:44] bmansurov: is the delay for redirecting natural? [21:01:11] leila: yes, we can add something about receivers to meta. [21:01:32] bmansurov: I need to review it basically, so if you do it now, that'd be great. :) [21:01:39] finalizing the emails now [21:01:42] leila: I set redirect to 0 seconds, but the browser needs time to parse the page. Since it's a static page we cannot redirect in the server. [21:02:00] bmansurov: got you. no worries then [21:02:22] leila: would Ramtin be the best person to write that piece since he generated the list of users? [21:02:37] leila: I gave him the list of registered users from the past 3 months. [21:02:51] leila: not sure how he came up with the final list. [21:03:35] bmansurov: yup. can you ask him to write it on meta? [21:03:44] leila: ok [21:04:05] bmansurov: also, what was the criteria you used to give him the list? those who registered on or after September x? (there was a qualifier of at least n edits?) [21:04:25] bmansurov: also, we need to specify how many of each group we will email in the first batch. [21:05:01] leila: I gave him two lists: users who had 3 or fewer edits, and users who had more. The cut off date was 90 days prior to the date I got the list. [21:05:30] leila: yeah, what do you prefer? I was thinking today we send emails to 1000 users from each group, and tomorrow the rest. [21:05:36] bmansurov: ok. [21:05:45] bmansurov: I'll get back to the quesiton of how many [21:06:14] ok [21:16:09] bmansurov: the text of the emails is ready. can you do one pass to see if nothing is glaringly wrong? [21:16:30] leila: ok [21:16:43] bmansurov: re count: let's send 2000 from each group today, and reevaluate tomorrow. [21:17:05] bmansurov: I doubt we will get to a point to send emails to all of them (that list is very long) [21:17:43] Ramtin should officially receive the medal for fastest-processing time. :D [21:18:10] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research:Voice_and_exit_in_a_voluntary_work_environment/Elicit_new_editor_interests&type=revision&diff=18707861&oldid=18707855&diffmode=source [21:18:46] 🥇 [21:18:53] bmansurov: I don't think what Ramtin has put on meta is what you gave him [21:19:29] bmansurov: the list of what he calls complete newcomers will include people with 0, 1, and 2 edits based on your description [21:19:36] bmansurov: (and I think that's a problem) [21:20:33] leila: I just came up with my definition, I wasn't expecting him to use it. Apparently, 0 edits and everyone else was good for his purposes. [21:21:57] bmansurov: you said earlier "I gave him two lists: users who had 3 or fewer edits, and users who had more. The cut off date was 90 days prior to the date I got the list." [21:22:17] bmansurov: if I understood correctly, the above means that he doesn't have a set of users with 0 edits. [21:22:31] bmansurov: the set he has will include users with 0, 1, 2, and 3 edits [21:22:32] 3 or fewer edits includes 0 edits too [21:22:46] every user had their edit count in the data [21:22:49] yes, but he needs no edits at all per his definiton? [21:22:50] so he filtered himself [21:22:56] ow okay. [21:23:05] then all good. let me make that clear with him that we rely on his for that. [21:23:07] him* [21:23:20] ok [21:27:38] leila: I thought we were letting users opt out from future emails not just from this study. [21:27:57] If that's the case, we should probably change this "If you no longer wish to receive emails from Wikimedia Foundation Research team about this study..." [21:29:02] leila: the following statement doesn't apply to users who registered recently and have some edits: "We hope that the first couple of months of your membership in Wikipedia have been fruitful and enjoyable." [21:29:39] leila: I'd say "We hope that your recent membership in Wikipedia have been fruitful and enjoyable." [21:32:23] bmansurov: we can only allow them to opt out of this study. this is similar to the previous emails, right? [21:32:54] leila: not sure, because I wasn't going to send emails to whoever opted out before. [21:33:12] bmansurov: that is fine. that's part of this broader study. [21:33:12] I thought they opted out from all future emails. [21:33:19] ok [21:35:07] bmansurov: why do you say that sentence doesn't work for those who have recently joined and have done some edits? [21:35:17] bmansurov: I thought that email is designed exactly for that group. [21:35:22] * leila wonders what she's missing. [21:35:40] leila: 'first couple of months' applies to whoever has bee there that much [21:35:48] what if I joined 3 days ago? [21:36:01] I'm saying that that statement is too restrictive. [21:58:41] leila: besides the above points, I wasn't able to work on the email script (that creates user specific emails with tokens) today. I'll work on it tomorrow. [21:58:44] bmansurov: ow I get your point now. You're right. Let me fix that. [21:59:03] leila: should I send out emails when I'm done tomorrow (even before you're online)? [21:59:04] bmansurov: so shall we aim for sending out the emails tomorrow? [21:59:11] yes, that's my plan [21:59:27] bmansurov: I'll clear on the thread with Ramtin before I sleep tonight. [21:59:30] and you can start tomorrow. [21:59:36] leila: ok sounds good [21:59:43] thanks and talk tomorrow [21:59:43] bmansurov: thanks a lot for all the work today. [21:59:47] yup [21:59:48] byeee