[15:43:36] hi all. starting the day here. (I ended up losing my internet connection, I assume due to high winds, yesterday for a few hours and became unreachable.:/) [15:45:11] fun tool of the day: I just learned from birgit that we can use wudele as an open source alternative to doodle: https://wudele.toolforge.org/ . in my experience we don't use Doodle in the team that often, but when we want to do, let's keep this option in mind. :) [16:54:28] leila: https://doodle.toolforge.org/ redirects there too, so you don't have to remember the interesting name of the service. :) [17:24:47] J-Mo: hiiiii. [17:27:24] Showcase starting in a few minutes -- I'll be monitoring here for questions to pass on to our speakers. Thanks all in advance! [17:32:13] thanks Isaac! Looking forward to it ;) [17:32:25] Just a few technical issues but starting shortly. Thanks for the patience [17:32:31] welcome J-Mo ! [17:35:47] And we're live! [17:50:37] Anna: how did you generate the reading list? [17:50:45] isaacj ^ [17:50:59] haha, i think Sneha has the same question :) [17:51:12] good HCI scholars think alike :) [17:52:57] As regards what consensus means or how it can or should be sought in this space, as there been any comparison with offline consensus-building, such as meeting processes or non-internet-based-community building? (Sorry if you mentioned this and I missed it!) [17:53:19] thanks AndyRussG -- noted. i don't think taht was mentioned [17:53:29] isaacj: thx! :) [18:01:49] interesting thanks! [18:02:14] AndyRussG: there was a good bit of work on this about a decade back. Try this one for starters: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1046496411406137 [18:02:45] ah cool thanks J-Mo! [18:03:29] I wonder also if there has been comparison to interactions and group decision processes in non-volunteer, .i.e. paid, remote work [18:04:47] AndyRussG: ahh another interesting dimension -- i'll see if we have time at the end for that! [18:09:19] isaacj: :) [18:09:26] AndyRussG there's a big body of research on "virtual teams", which tends to be focus on paid work. Often in venues like the Academy of Management Review, etc. You might search Google scholar for works by Kevin Crowston. IIRC he's done some comparative analysis between that and Wikipedia (and also FLOSS) [18:14:09] J-Mo: ah noice! yeah hard to imagine there wouldn't be some commonalities in how people interact in those spaces, as well as insights into how to improve them, which might also be relevant for WP [18:31:54] Hmmm I wonder if there might not have been a longer-term impact on number of edits in articles following the switch to the new talk system [18:32:20] also might be fun to look at article quality changes [18:33:37] (right, timeframe question was just mentioned in the presentation...) [18:39:05] (ahhh sorry heading to another meeting, I'll check out the rest of the recording later, thanks and congrats to the presenters!!) [18:44:28] thanks AndyRussG -- I think Sneha ended up addressing your question in responding to another question (the analyses she was doing weren't really getting at things like long-term quality but she hopes to see that work) [18:44:42] the pointer to the Talk pages project: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk_pages_project [18:46:30] mgerlach, isaacj, Emerauld, janna_WMF: thank you for organizing the showcase this month and supporting us in critical tasks. [18:46:50] thanks to our speakers and all of you who joined us (or those who will watch it later;) [19:36:27] isaacj: thx! :) [20:41:13] fkaelin: you should now have access to WMF's organization in Github and the Research group. please check and let me know if that's not the case. [20:44:47] fkaelin: you are now invited to the wikimedia-staff channel. Please let me know if you run into issues connecting. [20:58:57] fkaelin: I also updated our documentation to add the process for requesting access to Github. https://office.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research%2FDocumentation%2Fgithub&type=revision&diff=282004&oldid=261417 [20:59:56] fkaelin: re enabling cloaking, can you confirm if you have followed the steps in https://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/Guide_for_new_engineering_staff#IRC ? (we link to it from our documentation) [21:06:01] leila thank you. i don' see wmf on my github orgs yet. i did sign back in, and have 2fa enabled [21:06:43] leila irc staff channel success [21:51:32] * leila follows up re github [22:43:05] fkaelin: greg-g who is helping us with the github is asking if you've accepted the invitation sent to you via email (and if not, it's expected that you're not seeing wikimedia organization)