[16:35:38] <chrismcmahon>	 hey awjr I have a teampractices-y question I'd like to run by you quickly if you have maybe 5 minutes
[16:36:36] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: sure thing
[16:37:55] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: so as a result of the RelEng Quarterly Review we had some contention about "Exploratory Testing". Also, we're about to hire a 2nd ET person (Rummana was the first)...
[16:38:19] <awjr>	 ET? extraterrestrial?
[16:38:28] <awjr>	 OH exploratory testing ;)
[16:38:30] <chrismcmahon>	 Exploratory Testing
[16:38:42] <chrismcmahon>	 so I arranged for an expert to give a talk at WMF: http://www.meetup.com/wikimedia-tech/events/207856222/
[16:38:47] <chrismcmahon>	 Be Bold and all
[16:39:46] <awjr>	 very cool
[16:39:59] <chrismcmahon>	 I think Elisabeth's talk would be of interest to all of WMF and I'd like to extend a wmfall invite, but I also think that she has a lot to say about teampractices, so maybe to coordinate with tp for a WMF announcement
[16:41:26] <awjr>	 totally - did you have anything in particular in mind chrismcmahon?
[16:41:42] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr:  Elisabeth was the board of the Agile Alliance some years ago, has walked the walk
[16:43:12] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: nothing too particular, I'm just handwaving in the IRC channel right now.  the details were only finalized yesterday, and I sent the quarterly review follow-up announcement this morning
[16:43:24] <awjr>	 heh roger that chrismcmahon
[16:43:49] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: I just think this talk is probably at least as aligned with teampractices as it is with QA, maybe more so
[16:44:12] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: absolutely, this fits nicely in the middle of the ven diagram of tpg and qa/releng ;)
[16:44:39] <chrismcmahon>	 yeah, for example, Pivotal has no dedicated QA people at all. they just have teams that build features
[16:45:23] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: aye; i've heard mythical, legendary things about pivotal and their agileness
[16:46:00] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: so one thing that occurred to me is to have you or Kristen or somebody say on the wmfall list "hey, look at this talk QA arranged, this is totally worthwhile and we support it"
[16:46:16] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: with pleasure
[16:46:20] <chrismcmahon>	 "and y'all should show up"
[16:46:40] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: we an definitely do that.
[16:47:28] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: awesome. btw, Elisabeth was an architect of Pivotal's agileness, she worked on a whole lot of projects for them over the past decade or so as a consultant
[16:47:52] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: very cool. i'm eager to hear the talk and i would be interested to chat with her
[16:47:58] <chrismcmahon>	 and she is also a genuinely nice and kind human being too, which is helpful
[16:48:05] <awjr>	 that does indeed help :)
[16:48:26] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: are you planning to send an initial email out to wmfall, or would you like me to?
[16:48:52] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: it would be great if we could get a calendar invite up too
[16:49:51] <chrismcmahon>	 I've sent a message to everyone who was invited to the QA/Releng review, which is a lot of people.  I think it would be nice to have you send to wmfall.
[16:50:18] <chrismcmahon>	 I should ask Rachel to put it on the calendar if it's not already there
[16:50:35] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: ok no problem - that would be great (i do not see an invite up on the calendar yet)
[16:50:46] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: i'll wait to send an email til that's up
[16:53:35] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: will the talk be open to folks outside of the WMF? also will there be a hangout/youtube broadcast?
[16:53:52] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: it will definitely be open to the public
[16:54:23] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: ok cool - then we should probably spam wikitech-l and teampractices lists too
[16:54:25] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: Elisabeth is fine with having the talk recorded, I need to arrange with Rachel to have the gear to do that.
[16:55:07] <awjr>	 chrismcmahon: ok cool - i think if you file a ticket with OIT for support they can get everything set up for a hangout on air
[16:57:31] <awjr>	 presumably rachel can help with that too
[16:57:46] <chrismcmahon>	 I'm arranging a lightning trip to SF so as to be there in person, too
[16:57:53] <chrismcmahon>	 hopefully
[16:58:04] <awjr>	 very nice
[17:00:13] <chrismcmahon>	 okeydokey then.  more as it develops... thanks!
[17:00:29] <awjr>	 great chrismcmahon thanks for looping us in - this sounds really cool and exciting :D
[17:03:27] <arrbee>	 chrismcmahon: hi, will this talk be recorded? I have a timezone disadvantage with most nice talks.
[17:04:02] <chrismcmahon>	 arrbee: unless something goes wrong, we'll record it for youtube
[17:04:15] <arrbee>	 chrismcmahon: Thank you. :)
[17:41:28] <greg-g>	 awjr: chrismcmahon oh good, you two chatted about that
[17:41:48] <greg-g>	 chrismcmahon: well done covering the bases (I liked the email to the quarterly review attendees) :)
[17:41:57] <chrismcmahon>	 greg-g: awjr yep. marketing 101
[17:42:01] <greg-g>	 :)
[17:42:30] <greg-g>	 awjr: on a different topic: what does your after AllHands look like for the offsite idea we talked about?
[17:42:38] <greg-g>	 like, right after
[17:46:47] <awjr>	 greg-g: no idea ;)
[17:46:58] <awjr>	 greg-g: which means i can probably easily schedule something around it
[17:52:47] <greg-g>	 :)
[17:52:49] <greg-g>	 cool
[17:53:13] <greg-g>	 awjr: I'll chat with Rachel re some idea (Tahoe? Sonoma? that kind of thing) and get back to you and the RelEng team....
[17:53:36] <awjr>	 :D
[17:53:39] <greg-g>	 actually, awjr do you mind subscribing to the releng list? It's like 3 messages/week, we can coordinate there.
[17:53:47] <awjr>	 not at all
[17:53:52] <greg-g>	 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/releng
[17:53:55] <greg-g>	 :)
[17:55:29] <awjr>	 greg-g: actually - when is all hands?
[17:55:38] <awjr>	 i just remember hearing it would be sometime in jan
[17:57:06] <chrismcmahon>	 awjr: we got some information recently, most eng folk will travel in Jan 20 and out Jan 28
[17:57:35] <greg-g>	 awjr: all hands is 1/21 - 1/22 (Wed/Thurs), TechDays (orwhatever it's called) is 1/26 - 1/27 (Mon/Tues)
[17:57:46] <awjr>	 ah ok