[15:39:57] <meeple27>	 jaufrecht: I see the grooming got scheduled on top of your recurring lunch event. Did sarah ask you about that before scheduling?
[15:48:03] <jaufrecht>	 no, but that's fine.
[15:50:52] <meeple27>	 ok thanks. I am curious how that scheduling process works, so that data helps me understand how to form my request for optimal scheduling
[17:35:31] <awjr>	 jaufrecht: do you mind if we move our 1:1 to 4:30-5:00? also - i'm in the office again today :)
[17:35:54] <jaufrecht>	 sure
[17:37:30] <awjr>	 thanks jaufrecht - i updated the invite and booked us r35
[18:06:52] <awjr>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101445
[18:06:55] <awjr>	 dstrine: ^
[18:16:24] <awjr>	 kristenlans: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103559
[18:28:36] <kristenlans>	 dstrine: I wasn't quite sure of the outcome, will you be adding th numericl scale to the Q4 spreadsheet?
[18:28:52] <kristenlans>	 numeric? numerical? :P
[18:29:04] <kristenlans>	 turmeric?
[18:32:06] <dstrine>	 oh yeah 
[18:32:11] <dstrine>	 now I understand
[18:32:22] <dstrine>	 gimme 1 second and I'll do that 
[18:32:29] <dstrine>	 lol tumeric 
[18:35:06] <dstrine>	 so is 1 crappy and 5 awesome?
[18:37:46] <dstrine>	 the SOP page doesn't mention numbers
[18:37:53] <dstrine>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Health_check_survey
[18:39:03] <dstrine>	 it seems intuitive to go with 1=crappy and 5=awesome
[18:39:34] <dstrine>	 If no one disagrees I'm going for it 
[18:45:07] <awjr>	 be bold ::)
[18:46:39] <dstrine>	 updated!
[18:51:33] <meeple27>	 dstrine: Yes, we have tended to say 1 is crappy (after all, MOAR is BETTER)
[18:51:52] <meeple27>	 but really I don't remember voting on whether officially using numbers is something we should do/encourage or not
[18:52:25] <meeple27>	 it tiptoes closer and more dangerously toward numerical (or turmerical) analysis of the results, which would be misleading
[18:52:59] <meeple27>	 but I suppose using numbers in all sessions is (slightly) better than only using them in a few
[20:09:57] <wikibugs>	 6Team-Practices: Edit "crappy" example in Quality focus area of Q4 Team Health Check - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103562#1411409 (10ggellerman) Updated Quality: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Health_check_survey  Was: "Our output is a complete mess. For code, technical debt is big pr...
[20:11:21] <wikibugs>	 6Team-Practices: Edit "crappy" example in Pace focus area in Q4 Team Health Check - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103563#1411413 (10ggellerman) Updated Pace: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Team_Practices_Group/Health_check_survey  Was: "We are in panic mode and still never seem to cross the finish line."  C...
[20:15:34] <wikibugs>	 6Team-Practices: Update examples in Pace & Quality in the Team Health Check spreadsheet - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104246#1411434 (10ggellerman) 3NEW
[20:22:00] <wikibugs>	 6Team-Practices: Update examples in Pace & Quality in the Team Health Check spreadsheet - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104246#1411457 (10ggellerman) Quality and Pace crappy examples have been updated.
[20:33:28] <meeple27>	 ggellerman: Do you remember why you assigned https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103559 to me? 
[20:36:32] <meeple27>	 ggellerman: Also:  To get the THC rosters, should I ask Dario (Research) and KevinL (Analytics)?
[20:36:50] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_: ^ (darned _ )
[20:38:20] <meeple27>	 ANYONE: It looks like one of my THC's might have more than 15 remote participants. Any thoughts for how to handle that?
[20:41:15] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27: I can give you the list of invites for Analytics Eng, and you should ask Dario for Research
[20:41:39] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_: thx
[20:50:26] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_: there was actually an earlier question for you too
[20:52:40] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27: I think that the action items in retro notes were your comments- does that sound reasonable?
[20:57:47] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_: I'm confused because the ticket title is "invites and reminders", which has nothing to do with indicators
[20:59:02] <meeple27>	 so the action item "Add influencers/indicators" means....what? Add them where?
[21:00:15] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27:  I thinkt that you suggested that the influencers be added to the spreadsheet to make them easy for the facilitator to see....I thought that was unweildy and you agreed.  
[21:00:35] <meeple27>	 ok...but this ticket isn't about the spreadsheet
[21:00:41] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27:  and participants seemed unaware of them...so the proposed solutinon was to add them to the calendar invite
[21:00:47] <meeple27>	 oh
[21:01:02] <meeple27>	 i don't remember that memo ;)
[21:01:20] <meeple27>	 I vote we don't make that change for this cycle
[21:01:25] <ggellerman_>	  meeple27:  haha...we can talk about this at our 4pm meeting
[21:01:44] <meeple27>	 ok
[21:02:00] <ggellerman_>	 Agenda of that meeting is: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T103559 :0
[21:13:05] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: can you make me the owner of the meetings I'll be taking over? Standups, etc.
[21:15:25] <kristenlans>	 jaufrecht: Are you game to come chat with a couple people from the app team about some of the backlog stuff we touched on on Friday (heterogenous/homogenous)? I would liek to allocate about 15-20 for QA and A with you. 
[21:15:38] <jaufrecht>	 sure
[21:15:41] <jaufrecht>	 when?
[21:16:13] <kristenlans>	 11 AM PT, but you would only have to come fro teh first 15-20 (rest is optional :-))
[21:16:30] <kristenlans>	 mbinder yes!
[21:16:47] <kristenlans>	 mbinder:  I think I can... fro the ones I own
[21:17:03] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: word, you should be able to in the editing page
[21:17:56] <jaufrecht>	 what day?
[21:17:57] <kristenlans>	 also mbinder I just set up the meeting that we dsicussed with Corey adn DMitry last Friday (and wat I was jsut mentionign to Joel). Are you game to pick up that ball adn run with it? 
[21:18:08] <kristenlans>	 jaufrecht:  tomorrow :-)
[21:18:14] <jaufrecht>	 okay
[21:18:23] <kristenlans>	 jaufrecht: I thought I mentioned that, but It was only in my brain
[21:19:36] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: can do thanks for the heads up
[21:20:34] <kristenlans>	 mbinder: I invited Joel to present his thoughts on what he has been thinkgin about for VE to stimulate the conversation
[21:20:53] <mbinder>	 grat
[21:20:54] <mbinder>	 great
[21:21:03] <kristenlans>	 and grat
[21:21:10] <mbinder>	 super grat
[21:22:21] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: let me know if you can't set ownership. GCal is funky with that sometimes.
[21:24:04] <kristenlans>	 mbinder: for the MWF app standups, you'll need to ask Sarah Rodlund to give you ownership. 
[21:24:12] <kristenlans>	 I created teh T/Th ones so those are nwo transferred
[21:25:37] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: hmm, I deleted them from my calendar before you transferred, and I don't see them. Can you just delete those for everyone, starting the week of July 6?
[21:25:47] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: Are there any others that you own?
[21:26:44] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: ah nvm, it's there after I accepted the link
[21:27:44] <kristenlans>	 mbinder everythign shoudl be transferred now except the MWF standups, which Sarah should be able to handle :-)
[21:27:54] <mbinder>	 cool thx
[21:29:12] <kristenlans>	 actually mbinder do you have a mo for a hangout to run through a couple other app scheduling things?
[21:29:47] <mbinder>	 sure one sec
[21:32:41] <mbinder>	 kristenlans: i sent an invite to hangout
[21:32:48] <mbinder>	 plz hangout w/me
[21:32:50] <mbinder>	 plz
[21:43:13] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_ (and probably awjr): Dario just asked if the research THC will be "for the (post-reorg) consolidated Research team or are you planning to do Design Research separately?"
[21:43:26] <meeple27>	 given that the reorg happened roughly halfway through the quarter, I don't have a great answer for that
[21:43:32] <meeple27>	 great = obvious
[21:51:01] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27: Abbey notes that Design Research is more embedded with product tracks while Research does reserach not directly releated to prod teams until later.  Also Design Research has different timelines and different types of product
[21:52:20] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_: Thanks for the background, but I'm not sure what to do with that information
[21:53:13] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27: speaking from a place of obvious bias, I think that it makes sense to do Design Research separately, but not startin this quarter
[21:53:35] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27:  also, head of design research thinks that the 2 teams would have different conversations
[21:54:15] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_: are you proposing 2 thc's? Or leaving design out starting Q4? Or...?
[21:54:32] <meeple27>	 or just lump them for now, and split in q1?
[21:55:33] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27: Not lump them together now, but not sure when to add Design Research.  
[21:56:22] <meeple27>	 ah, so they were separate, and DR has never done THC, so leave them out for one more quarter?
[21:56:38] <meeple27>	 doh!
[22:14:50] <meeple27>	 ggellerman_: So DR used to be separate, and has not done THC, and now they are part of R, but for Q4 better to leave them out?
[22:20:50] <ggellerman_>	 meeple27:  in a meeting....let's chat in our 4pm meeting
[22:27:26] <meeple27>	 ok
[23:24:03] <wikibugs>	 6Team-Practices: Adjust Team Health Check template to reflect new sequence of focus areas - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102182#1412157 (10ksmith)
[23:24:41] <wikibugs>	 6Team-Practices: Adjust Team Health Check template to reflect new sequence of focus areas - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T102182#1358511 (10ksmith) Moved out of This Week and back to the main board, because we don't plan to do this until Q1 (Sept 2015).