[17:33:35] happy wikiversary kristenlans_! [17:37:11] awjr woah! it's true... [17:39:38] I too will miss grooming today [17:39:53] I concur with David that we should put more energy into Phabricator improvements [17:40:17] On a related note, would love any feedback on the "Notes on VE Backlog planning meeting" email [17:40:38] in particular, on having lots of separate projects vs having one project with separate columns, for one team [17:41:32] the "phaility inc." documentation about changes and requests does not have the warm and fuzzy tone I expected. I think we need to create a positive and direct working relationship with them if we hope to get anything done. [18:30:23] I am very curious to find out the extent to which money can or can not phacilitate that. [18:33:24] me too :) [18:46:52] 6Team-Practices: Centralize TPG Google Docs for easy discovery - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106570#1471946 (10Awjrichards) 3NEW [19:31:41] 6Team-Practices: Figure out how/when TPG can discuss work-related stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104503#1472192 (10Awjrichards) Since we've agreed to try using existing meeting time for this, can we close this ticket? [19:35:10] 6Team-Practices: Centralize TPG Google Docs for easy discovery - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106570#1472200 (10Awjrichards) p:5Triage>3High [19:35:25] 6Team-Practices, 7Epic: [EPIC] Gather requirements from teams for Phab project management feature requests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105404#1472204 (10Awjrichards) p:5Triage>3Low [19:38:16] 6Team-Practices, 7Epic: [EPIC] 2nd pass on bookshelf/reading list - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94475#1472218 (10Awjrichards) p:5Normal>3Low [19:43:28] 6Team-Practices: Figure out how/when TPG can discuss work-related stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104503#1472257 (10Awjrichards) I'm actually just going to go ahead and close this ticket - feel free to reopen if needed. [19:43:46] 6Team-Practices: Figure out how/when TPG can discuss work-related stuff - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T104503#1472262 (10Awjrichards) 5Open>3Resolved [20:04:34] jaufrecht: (and others) I probably won't catch up on emails and reviewing "stuff" until late next week. But I do hope to get to a bunch of it. [20:05:18] I might be a bit late to the 1400 retro. Hopefully not, but if I'm not there right on the dot, start without me and I'll join as soon as I can [22:02:45] jaufrecht: If you were implying that VE could skip SoS if they comm directly with just reading, I would push back [22:07:00] not implying - they proposed it [22:07:34] two issues: VE doesn't see value to them, and doesn't think value to other teams of their being able to answer questions is worth the cost [22:14:11] re: taking notes during retro:collaborative [22:14:24] 1) collaborative, simultaneous notetaking in etherpad is very cool [22:14:47] 2) converting etherpad notes to wiki is apparently NP-hard; basically need to manually retype it all [22:15:05] maybe we should try and use wiki markup instead of etherpad bullets [22:15:18] I accidentally joined a few chat rooms in IRCcloud does anyone know how to leave them? [22:15:35] * dstrine is not leaving tpg [22:36:27] jaufrecht: I guess there are 4 aspects to SoS: Written vs. Verbal, and Blocked vs. Blocking. The "cost" seems to be 30 minutes per week, which is very low, so they must see close to zero benefit on all 4 aspects [22:36:59] jaufrecht: Yes, using wiki styling during live meetings is a best practice (not always remembered) [22:37:21] jaufrecht: yes wiki markup in etherpad notes is the way to get. then it's usualy astarightforward cut/paste job onto wiki w/minimal cleanup [22:55:33] 6Team-Practices: Evaluate purpose, attendance, and structure of Scrum of Scrums post-reorg - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106626#1473209 (10KLans_WMF) 3NEW [23:04:03] dstrine: look for the 'leave' button above the list of members in the channel [23:05:09] kristenlans: ggellerman_ anybody else who's interested in an 'always on' IRC connection - send an email to techsupport@wikimedia.org for an irccloud account [23:05:29] ironically, grace left the channel right before i hit 'enter' on that one... [23:05:39] awjr already done 😎 [23:05:54] nice