[16:28:20] mbinder: Care for some interactive debugging of THC? [16:28:55] meeple27: probably? watchu mean? [16:29:09] well, i didn't see collaboration in the shared folder [16:29:18] so was wondering wth you were talking about [16:29:26] but i did a search, and I do see the notes [16:29:43] so i'll move that into the shared thc folder [16:30:16] done [16:31:02] it does seem that we have collab notes but not survey [16:31:17] jaufrecht: can you point us to collaboration q4 survey? [16:35:01] meeple27: and mbinder: I was just going to ask about this :) [16:35:25] I keep thinking I'm done, and then we discover another team [16:35:31] I knooooow [16:35:35] I want a master list [16:35:46] we should assemble one from the calendar [16:35:48] with the real names [16:35:59] I thought this was the master list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/162ZMqt6W4I9q0mIImsRb1VTZKhbsNEvtEuIH39tEfrw/edit# [16:36:01] only the calendar knows what teams really definitely for sure did thc [16:36:07] yea, I thought about that, but then my gcal search did not prove a fruitful as I hoped [16:36:20] nope, that was a copy of Q3 that I tried to update as I found new stuff [16:36:23] more of a placeholder [16:36:35] will become official, eventually [16:36:35] dstrine: yes, but we've already encountered issues with this doc because of naming [16:36:41] that too [16:36:48] wait what about the original phab tasks that assigned us to individual teams. wouldn't that be the master list? [16:37:07] that could work [16:37:11] dstrine: maybe, as long as we called out the teams and not "kristen does her teams" [16:37:34] To the Phab Search Mobile [16:37:37] ! [16:38:03] it's closed .... what happens to tasks when they are closed on our "This Week" board? [16:38:55] they linger for a while [16:39:00] then maybe move to a hidden column [16:39:30] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101445 [16:39:41] found it^ [16:40:04] 13 [16:40:57] it should be 14 [16:41:05] ios and android are on the same line again [16:41:12] but they got separate thcs [16:41:19] right [16:41:20] I think that is still 13 [16:41:29] naming confusion too...readership web vs. mobile web [16:41:48] yea they are no longer just mobile web [16:42:01] but I still count 13 with the apps split [16:42:35] i count 13 rows, so 14 teams after apps split [16:42:54] also, parsing was new, but was not flagged as new [16:43:44] yeah after all the name issues are resolved, the fact is, we held 14 THCs for Q4 [16:44:26] and my megamatrix only has 13, because I haven't seen the flow/collab survey. ok, so at least that adds up [16:45:19] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/D8JcRM1H/ [16:45:28] who is 14? [16:47:26] analytics research is separate from research [16:47:27] ah, parsing is missing from that list, but is in the comments [16:47:50] er, ok, then we would have 15 [16:48:04] collaboration THC notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YUjtwZ5lW_pr813Du2XXe6S9uOs3C_M2YSyBc733Nf4/edit [16:48:22] jaufrecht: we have those, do you have the spreadsheet? [16:48:31] spreadsheet? [16:48:41] where the actual ratings are captured [16:48:45] google sheet [16:49:01] like this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bx0H5WWwai5bmjh4rT_UADDxrK4Y6yY_Du65GgLrXhU/edit#gid=801065137 [16:49:19] hmm. No. Who did collaboration last time? [16:49:19] mbinder: I only see research on the list, not analytics research vs. design research [16:49:40] it was called flow before, which has q2+q3 tabs [16:50:02] meeple27: yea, I think we need kristenlans to clarify the list [16:50:11] that phab ticket is close but not everything [16:50:22] mbinder: and parsing should not be in the q4 list (unless we have evidence otherwise) [16:50:54] meeple27: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17SxFm-w-QOWz3YAS2XMI7jlMceDjm0BOxNqY4MURcWU/edit [16:50:56] the phab ticket should be authoritative, except I think grace added design research later [16:51:00] that is the parsing team notes [16:51:14] doh [16:51:17] I think it was one of the first we did [16:51:32] you're right. i did add parsing to my q4 megamatrix. sorry for that confusion [16:51:49] does that bring us to 15? [16:52:32] I think so, lemme make a list again [16:52:34] let's make the Q4 overall google doc official [16:52:44] so we can all see the same thing, sorted one way, at the same time [16:52:51] make = turn it into [16:53:11] meeple27: kristenlans: and I facilitated the parsing THC for Q4 [16:53:26] dstrine: Yes, parsing is fine. sorry. [16:53:28] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FP0vWHCX/ [16:53:43] mbinder: https://docs.google.com/document/d/162ZMqt6W4I9q0mIImsRb1VTZKhbsNEvtEuIH39tEfrw/edit# [16:53:43] I _think_ this is final [16:53:57] hmm? [16:54:29] let's get one group-editable final list [16:56:44] I'm about to go into a full day of team stuff. Let me know if I can help offline or if you get clarity [16:57:29] i have to head to a mtg myself...will get back to this later. thanks! [17:36:36] jaufrecht: I see a Q4 tab in collab/flow spreadsheet now. I assume that's your doing [17:38:12] jaufrecht: the top value is odd...it's "5" but yellow [17:38:36] several cells are mismatched value/color...looking at notes to try to find the real answer [17:39:50] sorry, been working on that spreadsheet for 6 non-contiguous minutes out of the last 90. Let me wrap it up. [17:40:03] no worries [17:40:10] i see that the numbers are right, and colors are wrong [17:40:14] that's all i need for now [17:40:19] get to it when you're ready/able [17:41:16] Done. There is a 3.5 still; I have put out a call to the team to decide. [17:43:37] ok thanks. I have added q4 flow to the megamatrix. I left that spot blank for now...can be filled in or footnoted later [17:59:48] woot! All 15 Q4 THC teams are now in the megamatrix, and in the overall results google doc [18:08:24] 6Team-Practices, 6Engineering-Community, 10Gerrit-Migration, 3ECT-August-2015, 3ECT-September-2015: Goal: Organize a Gerrit Cleanup Day - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88531#1554006 (10Qgil) In the goals, I would suggest 3. Teams go through their own backlog of open changesets, ideally starting by... [18:57:05] 6Team-Practices, 6Engineering-Community, 10Gerrit-Migration, 3ECT-August-2015, 3ECT-September-2015: Goal: Organize a Gerrit Cleanup Day - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88531#1554264 (10Qgil) Notes from the discussion at the WMF Engineering management meeting: * YES to September 25. * All Engineerin... [19:01:13] I'm going to miss backlog grooming. I can't really do a lunchtime meeting. [19:12:08] I'm out today as well [19:31:13] 6Team-Practices: Plan Discovery Offsite (Sept 30-Oct 2) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109620#1554380 (10ksmith) 3NEW a:3ksmith [19:35:11] 6Team-Practices: EPIC: Plan Discovery Offsite (Sept 30-Oct 2) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109620#1554399 (10KLans_WMF) [19:35:36] 6Team-Practices, 7Epic: EPIC: Plan Discovery Offsite (Sept 30-Oct 2) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109620#1554380 (10KLans_WMF) [19:35:48] 6Team-Practices, 7Epic: EPIC: Plan Discovery Offsite (Sept 30-Oct 2) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109620#1554402 (10Awjrichards) p:5Triage>3Normal [19:39:52] 6Team-Practices: Hold meeting to vote on important to improvements to phab - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108991#1554416 (10Awjrichards) p:5Triage>3Normal [19:47:20] 6Team-Practices: Hold meeting to vote on important to improvements to phab - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108991#1554463 (10Aklapper) Thanks for preparing this! Wondering who are (further?) stakeholders supposed to take part in that meeting. [23:39:44] ggellerman____: the app i was talking about for easily manipulating windows on os x (for easy split screen, etc) is actually called 'spectacle' not 'spaces': http://spectacleapp.com/ [23:40:03] 'spaces' is some other built-in thing in os x that i never understood the value of [23:41:52] Anyone else having problems with mediawiki.org login or CentralAuth issues? [23:42:16] awjr: thanks! I installed it :) [23:42:43] kristenlans: not that i can tell [23:42:51] kristenlans: it's wowrking for me [23:42:52] what are you experiencing?