[16:46:28] awjr: hey- if you need help with drafting CSAT task, then meeple27: and I have bandwidth to help [16:55:09] ggellerman: thanks! i think i'll be OK at the moment but will let you know if that changes [16:55:39] awrj: sounds good [17:05:14] jaufrecht: are you still traveling or back to normal? [17:06:12] maxbinder: jaufrecht ggellerman meeple27 im trying to find a time for us to get together and talk about csat stuff this week, but am having a hard time. any objections to hijacking tea time for this purpose? [17:06:40] awjr: Kristen won't be there [17:06:47] (I think) [17:06:51] meeple27: correct [17:07:25] meeple27: personally, i dont think we should block on her since there are only two weeks left in the quarter [17:07:41] meeple27: but if you/others feel strongly about her being there we can schedule it for next week [17:07:58] I agree on not blocking on her [17:08:09] would feel a bit sad to lose a tea time [17:08:14] yes :( [17:08:21] but if time is critical so we need to do it this week, I would be ok with that [17:08:22] awjr: today at 3:30pm Pacific could work or tomorrow after tea time...will clean up my calendar ;) [17:08:47] perhaps grace and I could even free up at 3 [17:08:49] hijack away [17:08:52] i guess it wouldn't make a huge difference if we did it on monday rather than tomrorow [17:09:06] ✈️ 💣 [17:09:35] I am now free at 3pm Pacific today [17:09:35] jaufrecht just put himself on a bunch of watch lists [17:09:57] transparency ftw! [17:10:08] i could do 3 today as well [17:10:31] although I couldn't go a full hour...more like 45 minutes [17:13:38] this afternoon is fine for me too [17:13:39] today at 3p wouldn't work for maxbinder but im not sure whether or not he wants to be involved. if he doesn't care, i'll schedule for 3p pdt today, if he does, i'll hijack teatime [17:17:08] awjr looks like my calendar is free at 3 today... [17:17:53] maxbinder: for me it shows you as 'busy' from 3-4:20p [17:18:11] awjr: that's 4-520 my time [17:18:21] im having serious timezone challenges. [17:18:26] :) [17:18:32] opioids [17:19:27] lol [17:19:27] no [17:19:29] not this time [17:19:38] my calendar thinks im int he central time zone [17:19:43] rather than whatever timezone chile's in [17:24:25] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: List cross-org initiatives - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137581#2372343 (10Awjrichards) p:05Triage>03Normal [17:24:35] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: Discuss change management with Talent and Culture/Culture & Collaboration - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137580#2372329 (10Awjrichards) p:05Triage>03Normal [17:24:51] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: [Epic] Cross-organizational change management - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137579#2372308 (10Awjrichards) p:05Triage>03Normal [17:35:31] awjr: Looks like you're in EDT for the summer [17:57:54] jaufrecht: Sorry, user mbinder is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/tmux a -t mission_control' as user on phlogiston-2.phlogiston.eqiad.wmflabs. [17:58:04] hmm [18:13:12] jaufrecht: error on my part with command? sudo -u user tmux a -t mission_control [18:14:03] meeple27: aye yes i updated it [18:24:22] jaufrecht: "sudo -u mbinder tmux a -t mission_control" gives "no sessions" [18:25:46] Different command to start versus to resume [18:27:35] There is no session with that name right now so you have to start it. Try it without the a. [18:33:35] sudo user gives me the same "not allowed" message [18:33:49] sudo mbinder tells me that "-t" is not recognized [18:35:13] jaufrecht: is it an access problem? [18:38:36] nothing has change. Hang on, let me look around. [18:40:29] try doing it in two parts. First, change users. as mbinder, sudo su - phlogiston [18:54:33] jaufrecht: sudo su - phlogiston seemed to run something, no error anyway [18:59:22] maxbinder: jaufrecht https://xkcd.com/149/ [19:01:03] once you are the phlogiston user, do "tmux a -t mission_control" to attach to an existing, and if that produces the no sessions error, do tmux new -s mission_control to start a new one. [19:10:08] jaufrecht: looks like I can get in, but now steps 5 and 6 just give me usage instructions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phlogiston/Running [19:10:29] jaufrecht: you can see what I last tried in the tmux [19:10:35] awjr: lol [19:11:14] what are you trying to do? [19:17:02] jaufrecht: refresh the phlog reports for tpg after changing the recat [19:20:48] I just tidied up the page a little. Try again. [19:23:01] jaufrecht: thanks. ./batch_phlog.bash -m report -p did not work, but ./batch_phlog.bash -m report -s did [19:24:00] okay, fixing in notes [19:52:53] maxbinder: Thanks for saving us a year and a half! [19:53:42] ggellerman: I made that last change you suggested. Should we put it on wiki and ask for TPG review there? [19:54:03] (this is the "how to engage" doc) [20:00:23] meeple27: sounds good! I can put it on wiki where you suggest in about 30 mins [20:02:44] ggellerman: cool. I would propose renaming our "Capacity-building" section to...something else, and adding this link as a bullet there [20:02:57] "Working with TPG", perhaps? [20:03:18] meeple27: makes sense, but should we check with Kristen first? [20:09:31] as long as we put {{draft}} I think the risk is low, so would favor Being Bold(tm), but would be ok waiting if you would be more comfortable doing so [20:11:24] 06Team-Practices: Draft TPG goals for TY2016-17-Q1 (July-Sept 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138008#2386580 (10ksmith) [20:11:45] 06Team-Practices: Finalize TPG goals for TY2016-17-Q1 (July-Sept 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138009#2386592 (10ksmith) [20:12:28] 06Team-Practices: Draft TPG goals for TY2016-17-Q1 (July-Sept 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138008#2386607 (10ksmith) [20:12:30] 06Team-Practices: Finalize TPG goals for TY2016-17-Q1 (July-Sept 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138009#2386606 (10ksmith) [20:12:45] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: Finalize TPG goals for TY2016-17-Q1 (July-Sept 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138009#2386592 (10ksmith) [20:12:59] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: Draft TPG goals for TY2016-17-Q1 (July-Sept 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138008#2386580 (10ksmith) [20:16:24] jaufrecht: Feedback, in case you didn't hear it elsewhere: It was hard to hear you in the meeting, because apparently you weren't speaking directly (enough) into the mic [20:16:43] ^ also good advice for everyone else [20:17:29] ^^ was not intended as a public shaming! [20:18:18] 😢 [20:34:26] meeple27: given confusion getting in the way of shared understanding of what the goal was, I would favor changing name of section later, but also don't feel strongly [20:34:55] ggellerman: I would be fine with changing it later [20:35:08] meeple27: k- thanks! [20:38:48] meeple27: do you think the "how to work with us" doc deserves to be under a "how to work with us" heading on TPG page? [20:39:27] eventually, something like that, yes [20:42:39] If I could change one thing about Phabricator, it would probably be to tweak the UI so that editing individual tasks takes fewer clicks and less effort. [20:46:03] that's a good one, but I would lean toward splitting subtasks from blockers [21:02:26] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions: [Epic] Provide support to people in design-related roles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137479#2386964 (10Awjrichards) [21:05:14] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] TPG decides and implements its work tracking plan for FY2016Q4 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132402#2386998 (10ksmith) [21:05:21] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] TPG Offsite (May 23-27 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131399#2387000 (10ksmith) [21:05:31] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-2016Q4-Assess-Skills, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Assess skills within TPG related to WMF capacity enhancement needs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131304#2387002 (10ksmith) [21:22:14] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Epic: [EPIC] TPG Offsite (May 23-27 2016) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131399#2387061 (10ksmith) [21:22:20] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] TPG decides and implements its work tracking plan for FY2016Q4 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132402#2387063 (10JAufrecht) [21:22:32] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-2016Q4-Measure-Light-Engagement, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Define a plan for measuring satisfaction of "light engagement" customers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131303#2387068 (10ksmith) [21:22:37] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-2016Q4-Measure-Light-Engagement, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Define a plan for measuring satisfaction of "light engagement" customers - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131303#2162355 (10ksmith) [21:25:36] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] TPG decides and implements its work tracking plan for FY2016Q4 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132402#2387071 (10JAufrecht) 05Open>03Resolved a:03JAufrecht Done. [21:50:41] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Team Health Check Rethink - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114923#2387122 (10ggellerman) [21:51:24] 06Team-Practices, 10TPG-Essential-Functions, 07Category, 07Epic: [EPIC] Team Health Check Rethink - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114923#1709705 (10ggellerman) 05Open>03Resolved [22:19:12] awjr: maybe kill video? [22:19:28] maxbinder: good idea [22:27:42] 06Team-Practices: Revaluate CSAT value/efficacy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138033#2387300 (10Awjrichards) [22:28:29] 06Team-Practices: Discuss survey fatigue and how to respond to it with others in the org - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138034#2387315 (10Awjrichards) [22:28:37] 06Team-Practices: Revaluate CSAT value/efficacy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138033#2387328 (10Awjrichards) To be done early in FY17Q1 [22:28:45] so sorry about the innernet issues everyone [22:29:14] tomorrow i'll pick up a pay-as-you-go hotspot which should be more reliable than what i'm on now [22:29:37] ggellerman: shall we meet tomorrow synchronously or just want to do it all over email? [22:30:19] can we meet in the afternoon tomorrow? [22:31:06] awjr: will sound out etherpad and ask the wolves to vote expeditiously [22:31:18] ggellerman: aye [22:32:19] ggellerman: is 1pm pdt afternoon enough or do you need later (eg after tea time)? [22:32:47] awjr: have a lunch thing tomorrow and may not be back by 1pm. [22:32:52] i should have an internet dongle by then ;) [22:33:00] awjr: would 1:30-2pm my time work? [22:33:03] ggellerman: 130p? i bet we only need 30 mins [22:33:04] yes :) [22:33:19] awjr: let's do 1:30pm- yay! [22:35:08] i should have an internet dongle by then